this is some really sick shit from ben smith. what the actual fuck. https://t.co/8vdhWJGdQ0 pic.twitter.com/aMeIM6jKyT
— Marisa Kabas (@marisakabas2) September 23, 2024
Yes, I have enjoyed (and linked to) Olivia Nuzzi’s reporting, because she’s a good writer within the scope of her profession. But I’ve never forgotten that she jump-started her career in journalism as an intern in Anthony Weiner’s office, by sharing the ‘inappropriate sexual images’ he sent her. She never pretended to be other than she was.
Ben Smith, founder of Buzzfeed, now owner of Semafor, hasn’t exactly hidden his own reportorial biases towards the ‘savvy’, so his latest kinsley gaffe is not exactly a shock, either. As described by that renowned — okay, notorious — journalistic institution the New York Post:
… Writing in Semafor, Smith offered a “slightly contrarian view” by noting that “reporters have all sorts of compromising relationships with sources.”
“The most compromising of all, and the most common, is a reporter’s fealty to someone who gives them information,” Smith wrote.
“That’s the real coin of this realm. Sex barely rates.”
Smith made a comparison to the United Kingdom, where “if you’re not sleeping with someone in a position of power, how are you even a journalist?”
He then shared a text message that he received from an advice writer who observed that “the world would be much more exciting with more Nuzzis around, but alas the world is inhabited by anonymously emailing moralists instead!”…
But he added that reporters were “also in the business of trust, as well as truth.”
“And for those purposes, the appearance of conflict is, in fact, bad enough.”
On X, Smith was criticized for appearing to downplay Nuzzi’s ethical violation.
“I’m sorry to be a humorless scold, but I do not think this is correct or a good idea to be putting out in the world,” journalist Matthew Yglesias wrote on his X feed of Smith’s reference to British journalists sleeping with their sources.
Smith replied to Yglesias: “This is my caricature of a UK view, to be clear — and many of my British friends are also annoying about it!”…
If you’re not diddling your sources, are you even a real reporter?
As I said last week: The Nuzzi / RFK Jr narrative is Scorpion versus Frog. Bobby Junior is a well-known sex pest, and Nuzzi made her bones murmuring Fascinating… tell me more about yourself. They both mistook their ‘adversary’, and neither understands that It is my nature applies equally. The surprise, such as it is, lies in how many Very Serious Major Media Figures are jumping up to beclown themselves in defense of the indefensible.
Just to be crystal clear: Nuzzi was in a romantic relationship with one of Joe Biden’s opponents WHEN SHE WAS REPORTING & WRITING this highly critical article about Biden.
That is journalism malpractice full stop.Any media types who say otherwise also have questionable ethics. https://t.co/dfewHwSEnc
— Jennifer Schulze (@NewsJennifer) September 21, 2024
I could be wrong, but the claim that RFK Jr.—a 70-year-old who's admitted to having dozens & dozens of mistresses—vigorously rebuffed Olivia Nuzzi's advances seems preposterous to me. The outlets reporting this as fact aren't doing journalism. They're doing his crisis PR work. https://t.co/qsJJIy08eZ
— Billy Binion (@billybinion) September 22, 2024
Two big admissions here: 1) @semafor had the scoop on Nuzzi but chose to sit on it because they personally like her and 2) having sex with your subjects is totally ok as a journalist as long as your editor is in the loop. These people are trash. Never trust a thing they write. https://t.co/7ZfPZMmSuL
— Jamesetta Williams 💕 (@jalexa1218) September 23, 2024
The idea that nobody was writing about Biden's age except for Olivia Nuzzi is perhaps the most ludicrous thing I've read lately. Biden's age so dominated coverage that a single bad debate ended his campaign. In fact it is Trump who has escaped equal scrutiny on the topic. https://t.co/zevNSeXmRH
— Jamesetta Williams 💕 (@jalexa1218) September 23, 2024
Omnes Omnibus
You have more of a soft spot for Ms Nuzzi than I do.
HumboldtBlue
The Sleepy Hollow High school football team has a unique, and to be honest, a ridiculously awesome way to enter the stadium ahead of a game.
Jim Appleton
I did Nuzzi that one coming.
Baud
At least she didn’t exchange pleasantries with Kennedy on a tarmac.
piratedan
I saw that yesterday and because I could, I posted the below on BlueSky (politely)
just an observation on the Nuzzi/RFK affair… While the loyalty that the Beltway Bunch has shown to one of their own is kind of expected, the pivot to the idea that trading sex for favorable coverage on a story is not apparently beyond the pale.
What appears to be forgotten is the casual cruelty that RFK treated her with, as if she was nothing more than a locker room conquest, to be treated as just another toy, deserving as no more respect than you or I, the average citizen. /2
and the part that sticks in my craw is how Old School RFK, Jr’s behavior was, sharing around her nudes, no concern about how he treated his wife or his paramour. Then the pivot by the press to implicitly condone both his and her behavior.
totally fucking weird /3end
WaterGirl
@Baud: That will never stop pissing me off. Our side let themselves get played on that one. They should have said it was a bullshit “concern” and ignored it.
MattF
It does explain, to some degree, why dysfunctional and narcissistic behavior by politicians isn’t considered newsworthy— because the behavior of the reporters mirrors the behavior of the politicians.
hitchhiker
I’m a little surprised at myself for this, but I can’t get enough of this story. My daughters are 34 and 36, and Mr H is 69, so that’s part of it. Another part is I love sharp writing and admire young women who take no shit … here is a young woman who made it her brand to be feisty online and wrote at least sometimes with a pen dipped in acid.
And she … removed her clothes … aimed her phone at herself … took photos … and sent them to a man with the common sense of a stewed prune.
Like, was she on some kind of drug? Did she fall on her head? I just need to know.
frosty
I haven’t gotten to the bottom yet, so maybe there’s an explanation. But which one is the scorpion and which one is the frog???
Harrison Wesley
So it was all Nuzzing more than a candle-lit dinner of fender-tender bear cub, a couple lines of organically produced cocaine, and a brain-worm parfait? Why all this moralizing, libtards?
Frankensteinbeck
@piratedan:
I’m weirded out that they seem to have gone past that to, “Everybody has had sex to get a story.”
EDIT – @hitchhiker:
This is the part I’m “eh” about. What people find sexy and why they consent to sexual activity is none of my damn business, no matter how bizarre I find their decision.
It’s the journalistic ethics issue, the apparently widespread journalistic ethics issue, that is the problem.
Another Scott
“Where you stand depends on where you sit” is one of my favorite aphorisms. I think it applies here, too.
Reporters wouldn’t sleep with their story subjects, tap their phones, or do all the other things, if their Murdochian editors weren’t telling them to go out there and get the juicy story if they want to get their stories in the paper, on the website, as a segment on 60 Minutes. It’s not reporting, it’s chasing sensation and easy clicks because those “news” outfits aren’t about the “news”, they’re about “entertainment” and “engagement”.
Reporters for ProPublica and RFE/RL and VOANews and all the rest aren’t doing this crap, because they’re not willing to do those kinds of things for easy access. They do the old-fashioned in-the-trenches reporting of actual news.
Grr…,
Scott.
Kay
It’s amazing to me that they’re not embarrassed that they are once again making it all about themselves.
It’s a fake industry with fake professionals – there are no standards, no real qualifications and the product is cheap garbage. What’s worse is they talk about this stupid industry and their own careers constantly.
HumboldtBlue
I think what’s been reinforced, at least for me, when it comes to the DC/political press, is that they are nothing more than corporate employees. I grew up with the simple idealism of Watergate and All The President’s Men, that reporters were diligently working for good, for the best of society, reporting those things the powerful wanted to keep secret.
But somewhere around Bush, it all changed for me. Corporate-driven media coverage and reporting is meant to do one thing, drive revenue. Sure, you’ll get some outstanding reporting and in-depth exposes and such, but as the new century moved along political reporting became increasingly insular, increasingly club-like, and we are not in the club.
The DC press write opinions and stories for other DC media types, not for us. That’s why so many have closed ranks around the courageousness of Nuzzi, who, by the way, has plenty of deeply stupid, racist and sexist comments in her quiver of dipshittery scattered across various social media platforms over the past decade.
Nuzzi wasn’t reporting on Biden’s mental health to inform the public, she was doing so to fulfill her editor’s orders. The stories weren’t meant the normal Joe headed to work, they were written to reinforce the DC media narrative that Biden was too old, too feeble and too Democrat to be allowed to get another four years. Nuzzi didn’t give a shit she was also helping an opponent of Biden’s, one she became emotionally involved with, she was writing for the LIzza’s and Ben Smith’s, the navel-gazers who feel they should be able to set the political storyline, determine the narrative that will then be force-fed to the masses.
That’s why they’re mad. Biden has refused to engage with traditional DC media and Harris has followed suit because they learned that it will never benefit them, it’s not designed to be fair and impartial, it’s designed to make a buck, and you don’t make a buck in the DC media market normalizing Democrats. They’re the dirty hippies trying to rock the boat, they’re too black, too womanish, too fucking uppity and always, in the eyes of these particular media types, need to be taken down a peg.
In short, what I am trying to say and failing miserably, is, fuck Nuzzi and Flanagan, and Smith and every other asshole trying to cover up what the rest of us have known for decades, they’re not trustworthy, they’re not the arbiters of what is newsworthy and what is not, we are.
SW
Political reporting is basically just gossip. If you expect more out of it you are fooling yourself. Trading sexual favors has been an integral component of gossip from the jump.
Gin & Tonic
@hitchhiker: I just want her, and RFK, and Ben Smith, and all those other assholes to die a slow and painful death. They add nothing to society, while real, dedicated journalists around the world are maimed or killed trying to provide actual news, or murdered for their reporting. I wouldn’t piss on Nuzzi if she was on fire, I’d laugh.
Kay
For myself, I think both RFK Jr and Nuzzi are fucked up, damaged people who knew this was going to come out and get off on all the attention. They’re a match made in heaven.
Harrison Wesley
@Kay: That sounds 100% correct. Unfortunately.
CHETAN R MURTHY
There is only one thing you can do to change this: never pay good money for these MSM dirtbags. Always pirate! It’s a morel imperative!
Ken
I’m seeing lots of people saying that at their workplace, they would get fired immediately for similar behavior. I certainly have to take yearly training on this — come to think of it, Nuzzi’s behavior falls in the intersection of a couple of no-nos, involving both relationship with clients and sexual behavior.
Ah well, I guess “journalist”, like “supreme court justice” and “police officer”, is one of those professions that we just have to trust to self-regulate.
frosty
@Kay: No real qualifications??? W-why, a MS in Journalism from Columbia is the base level qualification!
Forget my brother who started his career with just an English degree.
Forget all the others who got a job on the police beat out of high school and worked their way up. Plus the ones like Charlie Pierce who started out as sports reporters.
JPL
@Kay: true, but what is wrong with Cheryl Hines? She doesn’t have to stay.
Frank Wilhoit
One piece of context to Ben Smith’s comment about ‘Ow Fings ‘Appen in the UK is that Britain has been run by its Press since (at the latest) 1916. Politicians serve at the pleasure of the owners of the Press. The shoe is on the other foot. (Tony Jay, feel free to back me up here.)
Rusty
RFK Jr. humiliated his wife and children (yet again I am guessing), Nuzzi humiliated her fiance, they not only humiliated the people they were supposedly closest too, but did it publicly so it was especially cruel. They are deeply uncaring individuals, it’s hard to belelive this is remotely the first time for either (we know it’s not for RFK Jr.), yet as a society we continue to give them more voice than others. Ugh!
Baud
The real question is, why won’t Kamala Harris sit down for an interview with Olivia Nuzzi?
hrprogressive
Nuzzi and Smith both seemed like credible, valuable reporters 15 years ago.
Now, they’re both part of the toxic swamp of bullshit beltway nonsense that I wouldn’t trust anything written by either further than I can throw them.
I truly couldn’t generally give a shit about who gets romantically or sexually entangled with whomever, but when you paper over your trysts with a veneer of “Look at me being a Very Serious Journalist” then, yeah, I do care.
Fuck ’em both, in the least amorous sense of that word.
Baud
@hrprogressive:
Wasn’t Nuzzi 15 years old 15 years ago?
Rusty
@JPL: She has already been victimized by RFK Jr., I don’t think we need to victimize her again by attacking what ever decisions she makes.
Sure Lurkalot
The yuck factor is astronomical on this one. They do deserve one another, but the world would be a better place if they would both slink off to anonymity.
hitchhiker
@Frankensteinbeck:
I write fiction, so I’m in the habit of imagining scenes in full detail while providing dialogue and making sure my characters are doing things that align with the personas/motivations I’ve built for them.
I could care less what makes anybody happy in bed — but the writer in me needs people’s choices to be credible in the context of other choices. Maybe that’s why this story grabs me. It’s just so out of alignment.
Lyrebird
@Omnes Omnibus: you once again bring up my general view of humanity.
(not knocking Anne Laurie’s right to have her own different view, just glad you’re here.)
I’m with @Sure Lurkalot: on team “please slither the heck off into obscurity” and also “Thank you Semafor editor for confirming my low opinion of what you publish!” If I were on ex-twitter I would immediately follow Ms. Jamesetta Williams.
Baud
@hitchhiker:
I don’t write, but I do the same thing.
hitchhiker
@Kay: Plausible. Makes more sense than any other scenario.
Harrison Wesley
@CHETAN R MURTHY: I don’t know if I’d go that far, but I’d consider it at least a portobello priority.
CHETAN R MURTHY
@Rusty: fuck her, she victimized US.
kalakal
@Frank Wilhoit:
Stanley Baldwin in 1931 nailing it about the British Press
“The newspapers attacking me are not newspapers in the ordinary sense,” Baldwin said. “They are engines of propaganda for the constantly changing policies, desires, personal vices, personal likes and dislikes of the two men. What are their methods? Their methods are direct falsehoods, misrepresentation, half-truths, the alteration of the speaker’s meaning by publishing a sentence apart from the context…What the proprietorship of these papers is aiming at is power, and power without responsibility – the prerogative of the harlot throughout the ages.”
Baldwin was PM at the time
dm
@Rusty:
Nuzzi’s (now ex)fiancé is Ryan Lizza, who was fired from The New Yorker for sexual impropriety in 2017: https://apnews.com/article/north-america-ryan-lizza-sexual-misconduct-entertainment-business-a0981f05a6c24965987df0126d80f865
So… he’s probably used to it?
Baud
OT
EarthWindFire
Aren’t these the same people who have “questions” about Kamala Harris’ past relationship with Willie Brown and its effects on her career? Fuck em all.
zhena gogolia
@Baud: You got it, right on the nail!
Steve LaBonne
What value does the existence of these people add to society?
Jess
Given the competitive nature of this type of journalism, and the sexism of both the news industry and the politicians involved, I’m not at all surprised that an attractive young woman would use her sexuality to her advantage. I’m not going to judge her too harshly for this, but I’m disgusted that she found it necessary and effective to do so, and I think her choice puts more pressure on other female journalists to do the same. She’s working the system rather than changing it, but don’t most people do this? We’re all less pure then we’d like to think we are. (I don’t for a minute think she had any sentimental attachment to the guy; I think it was a case of mutual exploitation.)
Jess
@EarthWindFire: They have those questions exactly because it’s the sort of thing they see around them and partake in themselves. They can’t imagine a woman being strong enough to rise by merit alone, or envision a system where that is possible.
David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch
Turns out Billie isnt a “Bad Guy” after all
EarthWindFire
@Jess: That’s even worse than hypocrisy and probably true. We live in a nasty world.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
@HumboldtBlue: We had a place in Tarrytown (one town south of Sleepy Hollow) when my wife had a teaching job up that way. To my endless regret we never visited Sleepy Hollow at Halloween time.
3Sice
I’m sure they both view their narratives as something like the Phantom Thread. Alma and Reynolds, how romantic.
Gin & Tonic
Palate cleanser, since I, at least, need one. Elaeagnus umbellata, commonly known as Autumn Olive, grows prolifically here in New England. It is a woody shrub, now considered invasive, that grows well in poor soils and in late September and early October produces masses of little red berries, somewhere between a currant and a cranberry in size. They are edible and appear in unimaginable abundance. Earlier today my dear wife and I collected about 10 pounds without much fuss. Tomorrow I will be making jam.
lowtechcyclist
@David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch:
Duh
Jess
@EarthWindFire:
And I don’t think these people would want to live in a better one, because then they would have to live up to it.
Rand Careaga
@kalakal:
You cannot hope
to bribe or twist,
thank God! the
British journalist.
But, seeing what
the man will do
unbribed, there’s
no occasion to.
—Humbert Wolfe
Starfish
@Rusty: She is an adult who has agency in her life. Some people are being accused of being concerned about the sex and not the ethics, but this is piss poor judgment by a 30yo woman.
Chet Murthy
@Jess: I couldn’t care less who she schtupped or sent pics of her privates to. Really don’t care. But she delivered slanted reporting, and that really pisses me the hell off. What she does with her privates is her business. When she gets in line to fuck our democracy, it’s my business.
I hope she ends up on Fox News. Or ONAN.
Falling Diphthong
@Kay: RFK Jr and Nuzzi are fucked up, damaged people who knew this was going to come out and get off on all the attention.
I think you’ve hit on it. To a lot of us, Nuzzi’s decision to blow up her professional and personal life for a 70 year old who eats roadkill is just baffling. (RFK embarking on an affair with someone 40 years his junior: on brand.) But when you thrive on drama and being the center of the story… you get this.
When asked about sexually assaulting his nanny, RFK explained that he had tons more skeletons in his closet that hadn’t come out yet. So I’m thinking one every week or two until the election.
SatanicPanic
Everyone was writing about Biden age- the man is our oldest president ever. I don’t think RFK Jrs smooth romantic style had anything to do with it.
Falling Diphthong
@Starfish: And, to channel Not an Art Thief on Bsky: Sometimes a person is inexplicably setting fire to their life and you watch, saying “Wow, that seems extremely stupid. Really terrible decision.”
Any reporter covering RFK should know that he will spread around any nudes you send him. Completely on brand.
This is a woman who ultimately decided that she wanted to be a weird footnote in Kennedy + Bear jokes.
Baud
@SatanicPanic:
We’ll never know what she would have said or how she would have said it if she wasn’t in her relationship.
Can you determine exactly which decisions Clarence Thomas made that were influenced by his benefactors?
Rusty
@Starfish: I was replying to a comment about RFK Jr’s. wife Hines, not Nuzzi. I’m fine with you slagging off Nuzzi, but I think we shouldn’t be assholes to Hines.
zhena gogolia
@3Sice: Sicko movie.
Starfish
@Rusty: Are people being jerks to Hines about it?
David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch
If Nuzzi had an affair with a Democratic running for office (say Dean Phillips) no one in the media would be defending her.
zhena gogolia
@David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch: That’s the crux of it.
SatanicPanic
@Baud: sure, we don’t know, but we also don’t need to suggest alternative theories for things that already have perfectly plausible explanations.
SatanicPanic
@JPL: not that it’s my business
Chet Murthy
@Rusty: “I think we shouldn’t be assholes to Hines.”
AFAICT (but I would happy to be set straight) she hasn’t intervened in the political sphere at all. She’s stayed in her lane, and thus I have no quibble with her. I mean, sure I wonder why she stays with the bastard. But as long as she doesn’t stick her nose into politics, she’s a private person and therefore not fair game.
HumboldtBlue
@Gin & Tonic:
Invasive species, all right, just ask rancher Greg Judy.
Rusty
@Starfish: read comment 22 and decide for yourself
Baud
@SatanicPanic:
The same would be true for Thomas. Or Trump. We can’t ever prove motive, but it’s not wrong to suggest a corrupt motive.
Trivia Man
@frosty: both are both things. He is shocked that she would tell about sexy stuff & trade her allure for access to quotes, she is shocked he was a cad.
“You knew what I was when you started!”
Starfish
@Rusty: People did this to Hillary Clinton too.
SatanicPanic
@Baud: it’s not helpful. People start throwing this around and it’ll be considered fact in a matter of weeks. I’ll be trying to explain to people that no, Olivia Nuzzi was not uniquely writing negative stories about Biden and that RFK Jr did not (so far as we know), ask her to do it.
Gin & Tonic
@HumboldtBlue:
Depends on your perspective, I guess. A nitrogen-fixing shrub, not generally unattractive, that grows well in poor soil and produces ample quantities of an edible fruit. Sounds like a pretty good combination of characteristics. I mean, it’s not kudzu or Japanese knotweed.
JPL
@SatanicPanic: She’s an accomplished talented person..
Hungry Joe
I was a newspaper reporter for 20 years. Never covered politics or did much hard news — I was an arts and feature writer — but socially I kept the hell away from anyone I wrote about, or thought I might someday be writing about. It wasn’t hard — there are plenty of other people in the world..
At my paper Nuzzi would have been out the door, with MAYBE enough time to sweep the personal stuff on her desk into a cardboard box.
SatanicPanic
@JPL: you read the link, right? She’s been seen without her ring
HumboldtBlue
@Gin & Tonic:
It’s all perspective, Judy doesn’t like them because they suck up water that he wants to go to his grass, therefore he wages war against them.
WaterGirl
@David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch: You’ve got that right.
Baud
@SatanicPanic:
No one has said she was unique. They’re saying she was compromised. Which mean she should have avoided the topic. (recused)
zhena gogolia
@SatanicPanic: It doesn’t matter how many people were writing it. She’s supposed to be a journalist. She was having an affair with Biden’s opponent while writing negative stories about Biden. Her corrupt motives are manifest.
Rusty
@Starfish: Good example, and another reminder of why we shouldn’t do this.
geg6
@HumboldtBlue:
Hear, hear! And I say that as the daughter of an old fashioned newspaper reporter. She’d be appalled by this.
geg6
@JPL:
Word is she is no longer wearing her wedding ring.
SatanicPanic
@Baud: that’s not what they’re saying. I agree she shouldn’t write that story. I don’t agree we need to consider that her bias caused her to write the story. People start connecting dots and pretty soon we’re off in fantasy land, you know?
Baud
@SatanicPanic:
She brought speculation on herself through her lack of ethics, just like with Trump and Thomas. You’re reaching for a distinction that doesn’t exist.
She should have recused.
geg6
@SatanicPanic:
Whatever she wrote does. not. matter. It is a conflict of interest and a journalist with ethics would never, ever, ever, ever report on someone they are involved with without disclosing that on any article she wrote about the presidential race. She and every single MSM shill who defends her are the lowest of the low.
Geminid
@Gin & Tonic:
@HumboldtBlue: My landlord was out today for another round of poisoning Autumn Olives. They grew up when the apple orchard he planted in the 1970s failed on account of warmer winters. Bill has a device that looks like a harpoon which jams cartridges of Roundup into the stems. He’s been at it for three years now and has expended thousands of cartridges.
Bees make honey from Autumn Olives, and birds eat the berries so they’re not all bad. But this shrub really takes over edge habitat so eliminating them is a good thing I think. There are plenty of other pollen and berry plants to take their place.
SatanicPanic
@Baud: I’m not defending her, say whatever you want. I’m suggesting that this need to speculate about motive is unhealthy. It just strikes me as people trying to wish away negative news, because we’ll find the dirt on anyone who reports negatively on our candidate.
Baud
@SatanicPanic:
People speculate on blogs. Sometimes I don’t like it, but I don’t care to police it in this instance because Nuzzi brought it on herself. If this is the battle you want to fight, go ahead.
SatanicPanic
@Baud: not a hill I want to die on either tbh so I will let it go
PJ
@zhena gogolia: And she also turned in a puff piece last month about how heroic Trump was, perhaps merely coincidentally after RFK, Jr. had asked Trump for a job, and then endorsed him.
And not to mention how many times she piped up on an NY Times roundtable this year to argue that RFK Jr. was a legit candidate that should be included in debates, etc.
karen marie
@Another Scott: I don’t know that I would include VOA in this. I’ve not seen much – if any – original reporting out of them.
karen marie
@HumboldtBlue:
THANK YOU!
karen marie
@Rusty: She’s an adult. She victimized herself.
Shalimar
@HumboldtBlue: My mom and step-dad were both newspaper editors for a paper that lasted more than 2 centuries with 2 editions per day and combined circulation well over 100,000. That newspaper doesn’t even exist anymore. In fact, there is only one daily newspaper left in Alabama and it’s circulation is under 5k.
I was very idealistic about the media into the 1990s. That is long dead now. The profession I admired doesn’t exist anymore either outside of a few major cities.
sdhays
@HumboldtBlue: I wonder how they manage to make sure the horse doesn’t leave any presents on the field…
karen marie
@HumboldtBlue: Fun video but the guy still hasn’t done his homework.
thalarctosMaritimus
@Shalimar: If you don’t mind answering, was it the Birmingham News? I grew up with that paper, but Birmingham in the 70s was a very different time.
prostratedragon
@Frankensteinbeck:
That’s me. Don’t care about the age difference — they’re both consenting adults and I’ve seen greater — or whether either would do it for me. But that ethical thing, woo naw!
Kristine
@HumboldtBlue: That horse is GORGEOUS.
Also, cool entrance.
Shalimar
@thalarctosMaritimus: Mobile Press Register. Though mom worked for the Birmingham News for 5 years after their wedding because of the nepotism policy.
Another Scott
@karen marie: That’s probably fair. VOA is an aggregator; but a very good one IMO.
Thanks.
Cheers,
Scott.
thalarctosMaritimus
@Shalimar: ah, I see–thanks! My mother was from Birmingham, and my father was from Mobile.
I used to love to read local papers everywhere i traveled, but that’s pretty much dried up all over.
evodevo
@HumboldtBlue:
Mr. Evodevo has a 6-foot bushhog, and they have trouble taking down a medium size Autumn Olive, much less a mature one…and the thorns make it problematic because tires…I’ve been cutting them back for years, but they sprout from the root, and also have thousands of berries per tree, and the birds and turkeys love them and spread them everywhere. We’ve just started on an extirpation campaign in our hayfield, but we are both 80, there are hundreds of them and I imagine they will be here after I am gone. Never let them get ahead of you LOL
brantl
@Baud: All of them, Katy.