Come for the politics, stay for the snark.
Do not shrug your shoulders and accept the normalization of untruths.
“When somebody takes the time to draw up a playbook, they’re gonna use it.”
This isn’t Democrats spending madly. This is government catching up.
FFS people, this was a good thing. take the win.
It’s always darkest before the other shoe drops.
Impressively dumb. Congratulations.
This fight is for everything.
This year has been the longest three days of putin’s life.
You’re just a puppy masquerading as an old coot.
It’s all just conspiracy shit beamed down from the mothership.
We still have time to mess this up!
We won’t go back.
Russia bombs Ukraine’s maternity hospitals; Republicans in the House can’t sort out supporting Ukraine.
A lot of Dems talk about what the media tells them to talk about. Not helpful.
Never entrust democracy to any process that requires republicans to act in good faith.
Black Jesus loves a paper trail.
Republicans want to make it harder to vote and easier for them to cheat.
SCOTUS: It’s not “bribery” unless it comes from the Bribery region of France. Otherwise, it’s merely “sparkling malfeasance”.
Quote tweet friends, screenshot enemies.
If you thought you’d already seen people saying the stupidest things possible on the internet, prepare yourselves.
President Biden is doing good where he can, and getting it done.
Biden: Oh no. We’ve upset Big Pharma again.
Balloon Juice has never been a refuge for the linguistically delicate.
He really is that stupid.
Screw the Recent NYT Poll for AZ – Arizona Is Absolutely in Play and Operation Blue Arizona is Laser-Targeted to Keep AZ Blue
Trivia Man
Great wingnut radio in Milwaukee tight now, presumably in response to this address.
”If you really believe in the ‘old earth’ theory, you should know that earth is currently at almost the coldest it’s ever been! 25 million years ago there were no people and it was hotter!”
He considers this PROOF global warming is a hoax. 🙄
Jackie
Sorry to go OT right at the get-go, but this is Biggly Yoog News:
WaterGirl
@Jackie: That’s not even the concept of a plan!
I do not understand why so many people want to hand the car keys to a madman who is the equivalent of blind, deaf and dumb. Not to mention, evil.
Baud
@WaterGirl:
They hate us.
dmsilev
@Jackie: That, somehow, manages to be even stupider than the magic “platinum coin” approach to solving the debt ceiling crises that Republicans keep creating.
HumboldtBlue
President Biden lands in New York protected by military forces, SWAT teams and heavy security
Sure Lurkalot
@Baud:
And their own offspring too!
Jackie
@WaterGirl: Watch. He’ll get huge cheers then start repeating it and his suckers and losers will eat it up.
And it will become his re-election promise.
Redshift
@Jackie: People say he doesn’t understand crypto at all, but that seems like a pretty accurate description…
Misterpuff
@Jackie: “Mint The Coin. I will do it. And put an extra coin in my pocket. I can do it if I’m President. I can do One Weird Trick and then Another One and Another One ….It will be beautiful and perfect….”
Sure Lurkalot
@HumboldtBlue: The last couple of weeks, many YouTube links had Harris ads but lately, Trump, Trump, Trump. So much that I would advise people without an ad-free account not to click on YouTube links if you don’t want to see that face, hear that voice, be subjected to that bullshit.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Jackie:
Good luck convincing the debt holders to accept crapto as payment. People buy US Debt, such as Treasuries, for a guaranteed return in US Dollars. Like what would the consequences be, assuming this is even feasible (which I assume it isn’t), for pension funds and other investors for their retirement savings that hold US Bonds? For businesses that hold treasuries?
HumboldtBlue
@Sure Lurkalot:
I have never seen a YouTube ad, or any ads in general, I use uBlock Origin. The fact that folks don’t use ad blockers when online baffles me.
TBone
@HumboldtBlue: I am similarly baffled.
Baud
@HumboldtBlue:
I watch YouTube for the ads.
Barbara
@Redshift: He might understand crypto but it doesn’t sound like he understands the U.S. debt. It’s not a single debt owed to a single individual or entity. I mean, unsurprising, but still.
HumboldtBlue
@Baud:
Of course you do, you need new pants.
lamh47
I put this in another thread and it was not the place for it. I apologize for that.
But it needs to be addressed because it’s too reminiscent of 2016
Sigh…
Baud
@lamh47:
Isn’t that reminiscent of every election?
Still, good to remember where the fundamental problems lie.
Mousebumples
@HumboldtBlue: I have the Brave browser on my phone (android), and so long as I open YouTube links in browser vs app, I haven’t seen ads either. 😊
HumboldtBlue
And yes, the Philadelphia Phillies clinched their first division title since 2011 yesterday after beating the Cubs.
Now they get to fly a new pennant.
CaseyL
@HumboldtBlue: I used to block ads on YT all the time, but they got wise to that sometime last year. If you have an ad blocker, the videos won’t play.
Do you know if uBlockOrigin can get around that?
Kay
Ha! Almost the same as Biden – Trump picks up nothing (nationally).
HumboldtBlue
@CaseyL:
Yeah, YouTube tried to prevent the use of ad blockers last year and for a few weeks it was hit or miss. But I have no issues now, I believe YouTube gave up on blocking the blockers because too many people use them. uBlock Origin works just fine for me on every website, no issues at all.
Also, I use Firefox, if that helps any.
lowtechcyclist
@Jackie:
“Trump lays out economic proposals in Georgia” – FTFNYT
I bet they’d count this as an ‘economic proposal’ too, but only coming from him of course.
HumboldtBlue
Peke Daddy
@Jackie: Liquidating $35 trillion in assets with a handful of magic crypto beans? Brilliant!
narya
@HumboldtBlue: Woo! Go Phillies! (I subscribed to the online Inquirer a month or so ago, after I canceled TFNYFT, so I saw that on the top of the page this morning.)
West of the Rockies
@Baud:
That’s why I read Playboy.
Suzanne
@lamh47: So one thing I try to remember is that old people — who voted for Trump in 2020 — are approximately 75% white. Silent Generation people went for Trump by 16 points in 2020 and Boomers for Trump by 3 points. All other age cohorts went for Biden. younger age cohorts are much less white (Millennials are approx. 50% white).
There’s a huge gap for white voters only between those who went to college (for Biden by 15 points) and those who did not go to college (for Trump by 32 points). The gap in educational status for every other race is tiny. It seems like white people who went to college are very much a separate culture than those who did not.
So, all of that is to say….. I bet that the majority of the white women who are supporting TFG are older and didn’t go to college.
Matt McIrvin
@Barbara: He’s just making noises out of his mouth hole. They don’t mean anything but I’m sure they sound very clever to him.
lowtechcyclist
@West of the Rockies:
People still read Playboy? Is it still in existence?
HumboldtBlue
Missouri is about to murder an innocent man.
lowtechcyclist
@Suzanne:
And the youngest Silents will turn 80 next year. So each election there will be fewer of them around, and a nontrivial fraction of the survivors will be too far into dementia to vote.
If we can get through this Presidential election and the next, the youngest Silents in 2032 will be 87 years old; there will be too few of them anymore to have much of an electoral impact.
Suzanne
@lowtechcyclist: The biggest gap amongst white people — by a lot — is between white people to went to college and white people who didn’t. The gap between white men and white women is smaller than the education gap. All data I’ve seen indicates that that gap will be even larger this year.
Captain C
@lowtechcyclist: “[TCFG] offers innovative, totally reasonable solutions to quickly wipe out the national debt while [that woman] offers no economic details except to drive the debt through the roof at record speed” — The FTFNYT, probably
(New slogan: “We’ll tell you what’s true, regardless of the facts”)
lamh47
@Suzanne: Right…which is why Harris/Walz campaign keeps telling folks, they are the underdog.
The biggest difference between now and 2016 is that Chump is doing even LESS campaigning than he did then…bare minimum and still pulling majority white voters…smh
BR
@lamh47:
TBH I am surprised at how few events Harris and Walz are holding these days. They were holding a ton of them — like probably 7-10 events between the two of them each week — but since the week before the debate it’s probably like 3-5 events per week. I wonder if they’re doing interviews that will air later or fundraisers or what. I’m sure they’re busy, and maybe rallies aren’t the best use of their time, who knows.
CaseyL
@Suzanne:
This stat puzzles the hell out of me. What is it about people who don’t go to college that makes them MAGAs?
I mean: in the past, people who didn’t go to college weren’t by any means uniformly uneducated, incurious, or just plain dumb. Some very, very intelligent people have been self-taught… as long as they knew how to read, and enjoyed reading.
Is it indicative of an insular population? Do people who don’t go to college live in their small communities their whole lives, and therefore don’t have much if any personal experience with people who aren’t just like them?
Is it an indictment of what’s being taught in high school; i.e., nothing that makes kids think or teaches them how to think – no literature, no US/World history, no civics, no current events? I can see this being a giant factor in deep Red States (AL, MS, LA) where they’ve spent a generation dumbing down and gutting their school systems. But until a few years ago, even (most) Red States wanted their kids to learn and read.
Is it an individual thing? People who don’t want to learn, who find the outside world horrifying, who want to live exactly as their grandparents and parents did are therefore highly unlikely to want to go to college?
It’s one of those things that seems self-evident (no college = insular and ignorant) but that has not, historically, been the case. So why is it the case now?
lamh47
@BR: they have been bypassing the media because I think it’s about the bias the media has shown them.
They are fundraising and putting out ads (I’ve already heard folks talk about the Harris/Walz ads during football) and Walz is still out doing events.
Let’s not forget Harris also has a day job she still has to do
Baud
@CaseyL:
Loss of social status.
lamh47
@CaseyL: social media.
So many more people get their news and “facts” from stuff pushed via social media.
Mapanghimagsik
@lamh47: why are white men so racist and stupid?
Suzanne
@CaseyL: I have a few theories….. I think that there’s a lot of social changes simultaneously at work — urbanization, assortative mating, changing status of women in college, lower birth rate, etc. All of those have imperiled the single-white-male-breadwinner model of the family. Bad for white men, good for everyone else.
ETA: I meant “single-income”, not “single” as in unmarried.
CaseyL
@Baud:
What social status? “I’m an ignorant loser and want to stay that way”?
@lamh47: I agree social media is toxic… but SFAICT has only been really, really toxic for a couple of years, mostly since Musk took over Twitter. People who didn’t go to college were already adults by then, already had some sense of identity, and they can’t all have been nascent Nazis….could they?
I mean, I could see the “no-college=MAGAs” if the phenomenon was concentrated in areas where no one values knowledge (of the self as well as of the outside world), or reading, or paying attention to the world. Where trying to be or have any of those things would indeed get you singled out and tormented as a weirdo,
But the phenomenon seems more widespread than that.
BR
@lamh47:
I am just really really hoping we get a flood of fun interviews from Harris and Walz. I want another 10 interviews like Harris on Drew Barrymore and Wired and Walz on subwaytakes.
BR
@CaseyL:
Is it the fact that Fox and Trump play on cultural resentment more than policy? “Those people look down on you. Elect me and I’ll show them who’s boss.”
Suzanne
@CaseyL:
Well, even getting married is much less likely for people without a college degree these days. College-educated people are absolutely getting married, though…. and increasingly to one another. There’s been a huge status shift.
Sure Lurkalot
@CaseyL: Good point—I do think the shitting on humanities and the emphasis on STEM education are factors. The push to make education on all levels job prep, not to produce an informed and enlightened citizenry.
laura
The Supreme Court’s majority has refused a stay in the pending execution of Marcellus Williams with all three liberal Justices dissenting. The quality of their mercy is for shite.
Matt McIrvin
@CaseyL: It’s like MLK and LBJ both explained, about the Jim Crow regimes. They said it about race but it’s also true about gender.
It used to be that the least-educated, lowest-status white man had people he could still look down on, just by virtue of who he was–a status he was born with that could never be taken away. He was “better” than black people and he was “better” than a woman.
They feel that being taken away from them. There are people they actually have to compete with who at one time, they didn’t.
Baud
@CaseyL:
They were told they were the heart of America. Now they’re not.
Another Scott
@HumboldtBlue: Pretty impressive entourage for an old guy with a stutter, huh.
(His helicopter lands at around 27.5 minutes.)
Thanks.
Cheers,
Scott.
HumboldtBlue
@Another Scott:
Yeah, that’s a pretty impressive show of force.
PJ
@CaseyL:
Social media has always been toxic. The 2016 election cycle was particularly full of horseshit, but it’s been building since at least 2008. And that’s just in the US – do you recall the Rohingya massacre that began in 2016, and was amped up by Facebook?
Scout211
Will she recuse? Ha ha! Just kidding. She will oversee the case of the person who tried to kill the man who appointed her. No conflict of interest there. 🙄
CaseyL
@BR:
Selling bigotry and resentment, selling tribalism, has been the Fox/GOP formula on the national level since 2008 when a Black man ran for President, and quite probably longer on a local level.
One thing that occurs to me is, it’s not hard to get into college these days. Maybe hard to pay for it, but not hard to get admitted. I’d be interested in knowing how many of the non-college white men MAGAs even tried.
I can see a self-selection going on, of young men who couldn’t launch, as they say, and who also lack enough sense of introspection to figure out why, AND who also lack a culture of self-improvement, AND who live in monocultures, AND who have no curiosity about anything beyond their own backyards.
I just have trouble accepting there are that many people who are so adamant about never being more than they are.
ETA: By “that many” I mean numerous enough to be a political bloc..
Another Scott
@WaterGirl: And terrible at pinball.
Cheers,
Scott.
Eolirin
@CaseyL: Enough that we got Trump in 2016, and for him to get several million more votes in 2020. Those both also feel like they should have been impossible. And yet here we are.
lamh47
Geek for Harris/Walz Zoom call organized by Lynda Carter is tonight!
I’m looking for a link, but maybe a open thread later?
Omnes Omnibus
@laura: This was as predictable as it is horrific.
ljdramone
@WaterGirl:
That deaf dumb and blind kid sure plays a mean pinball.
(sorry, sorry, I’ll just show myself out then, shall I?)
Lily
Politicians, and judges chosen by politicians in corrupt processes, have exclusive power at the end to decide a prisoner should die. This is also power over a victim’s family who object.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@lamh47:
It’s not 2016. Remember how the 2022 and 2023 elections went after Dobbs?
HumboldtBlue
@Scout211:
What absolute bullshit. The man was nowhere near Trump, never had a line of sight, never aimed at him, never took a shot… this is all such bullshit.
jonas
@Jackie: Mine a trillion-dollar Bitcoin! I like it!
(Narrator: “People who hold US sovereign debt don’t want to be paid in crypto.”)
jonas
@HumboldtBlue: Well, they’re now saying he left a note outlining his plan to kill Trump. But other than that, what you describe is basically “Florida Man” on another day ending in Y.
Harrison Wesley
@HumboldtBlue: “Sentence first – verdict afterward!” I think we know how this trial will go.
Harrison Wesley
Why don’t we pay off the debt with Trump silver commemorative coins?
Scout211
Judge Cannon will suddenly be concerned about a speedy trial?
Ohio Mom
@Jackie: Not that I want to defend The Former Guy, but his idea to pay off the debt in crypto sounds like the platinum coin strategy (an old favorite of Atrios). Though it’s arguable that a platinum coin has more intrinsic value.
If by some chance he is re-elected I will hide under the covers, sobbing, until I go catatonic. I’ll leave one last comment here so people won’t wonder what happened to me.
lamh47
@lamh47: https://www.youtube.com/live/Is876dF_-Ds?si=O–r6d-m9hMH8hNf
Sister Golden Bear
@ljdramone: Remember to try the waitress and tip the veal.
noncarborundum
@WaterGirl: Well, we let him drive once before, and many of us didn’t die.
BR
@Ohio Mom:
The platinum coin wasn’t for paying down the debt as far as I understand it. It was for the debt ceiling as a way to get around the arcane idea that congress can choose to spend money but then the executive can’t actually spend it because the debt ceiling is hit.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Harrison Wesley:
@HumboldtBlue:
@Scout211:
I have a hard time believing this case or the documents case were simply randomly assigned to Cannon. Given who appointed her, I think whoever oversees these assignments should’ve given it to another judge, not waited for her to recuse herself. The judicial system’s rules don’t work with shameless hacks like Aileen Cannon, and it’s ridiculous and insane to me that she’s been allowed to run amok like she has
Sister Golden Bear
@HumboldtBlue: I’ve had the video on in the background, it’s fascinating. Obviously it’s probably extremely heavy security even by presidential protection standards, but it does give one an idea of just how much security and logistical support is involved with a presidential visit.
Repatriated.
Typo in my nym. Disregard.
sixthdoctor
@lamh47: Thanks, I was about to post the Geeks for Harris link. The schedule of speakers is here:
https://geeksforharris.org/schedule
Repatriated.
@CaseyL:
In many cases, the sorting happens before the higher education, not because of it.
Edit to add: that is, it’s not that going to college “deprograms” people, it’s that the ones that need it most, wouldn’t even consider it, and those that do, may not do well in that setting.
Geminid
If Routh had set up with a rifle at 2 am and waited 12 hours for Vice President Harris to show up at a rally, people here would be outraged if he was not charged with an attempted assasination. Instead they’re making up alibis for this grifting sociopath.
zhena gogolia
@sixthdoctor: Looks cute.
stinger
@BR:
Does Barrymore always treat guests as if they’re her long-lost best friend? She got right up in Harris’s business and Harris was as far back in the corner of the sofa as she could get.
Scout211
@Geminid: I agree. They do have evidence that assassination was his intent. He left a letter describing his intent and they have this evidence:
IANAL but IMHO, it was the correct charge.
Ohio Mom
@Mapanghimagsik: I can’t answer why there are so many racist, stupid white men but my nonracist, non stupid husband worked with individuals from this demographic his whole career as an engineer.
A good majority of his coworkers were the first in their families to go to college and become white collar workers. Maybe that’s a clue?
All I know is that It was very disheartening and enraging for Ohio Dad. His overall mood improved greatly when he got to retire and leave them behind. My mood also improved because I didn’t have to hear about them.
BR
@stinger:
It was really hilarious to watch. And that was before the switch — Drew Barrymore was Not Going Back before the rest of us.
Sister Golden Bear
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
I’m gonna make an analogy here to an apt post about chronic health problems, of which I’ve had my share. Conspiracy thinking is a way people protect themselves from the reality that sometimes bad shit randomly happens for no reason, and it’s not something we have any control over.
So, no it was just bad luck. And yes, the judicial system rules (and a lot of our other systems), aren’t working with shameless hacks to determined to do anything to flout the rules.
stinger
@lamh47:
Thank you!
HumboldtBlue
@Sister Golden Bear:
That’s what fascinates me. That’s a lot of personnel and equipment, very expensive equipment, and it follows him everywhere.
frosty
@BR: I want to see them both on Hot Ones.
Kamala: “That’s not hot, you should see what they cook with in Jamaica and India!”
Tim: “Oh, man, that’s pure fire!” Host: “I haven’t opened it yet.”
stinger
@BR: I honestly didn’t find it hilarious. Learn to read body language, lady, and back off!
Sister Golden Bear
@stinger: It’s not always men who fail to understand consent. No, obviously it wasn’t sexual, but there’s a bunch of ways that people can invade other people’s space and make the other person feel uncomfortable.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Sister Golden Bear:
I suppose you’re right. I still think it’s bullshit to just mindlessly hand her and others cases like this when there are clear conflicts of interest. And for the appeals courts to not act with more urgency when they refuse to recuse themselves
frosty
@sixthdoctor: Schedule for Geeks is wrong. They’re still showing filler and it’s after 8:00.
stinger
@Sister Golden Bear: Absolutely. And Barrymore was clueless about what she was doing. I thought actors learned to read signals.
frosty
That sums up Christian Science in one sentence. Change “something” to “praying” and you’ve got it.
Sister Golden Bear
@HumboldtBlue: I live near Atherton and Woodside, CA where presidents and presidential candidates periodically stop for fundraisers (Both were traditionally Old Money, but now it has a bunch of tech billionaires and celebrities as well.)
So I’ve been stopped on the freeway a couple times to let motorcades go through.* Which while impressive, don’t give the full scale of how much is involved.
*Typically they land nearby at NASA’s Moffett Field in Mountain View, which is still home to a National Guard air wing, and take the freeway up to the fundraisers.
Sister Golden Bear
@stinger: In my experience, I’ve found “hugger” personalities can often be pretty oblivious to other people’s body language and boundaries.
FWIW, that’s why on social media, if I’m offering sympathy I phrase it as “Hugs, if hugs are OK.” Both because it’s good in itself to do it that way, but also to subtly raise awareness with other people.
stinger
@Sister Golden Bear: That’s very considerate.
Gvg
@Matt McIrvin: it isn’t just race and gender. I think in some ways those are scapegoats for some bad capitalists trends. Minorities didn’t fall for the same false blame of course. Economically we stratified. People weren’t rising in class if they were bright, nearly as often. The rich were getting richer, the middle class was getting smaller and the distance between the rich and the middle class let alone the poor was stretching. Statistically we do not resemble the America of my youth. People found it harder to start a new business unless they came from some money already. That means we weren’t innovating like we used to. Some of our bubbles are because we had more money looking for investments than good ideas to back. We were getting by, by skimming some of the cream from other countries brains, but that caused resentment from our people who didn’t get a chance.
This was caused I think by not preventing monopolies, protecting unions for balance, not taxing the rich enough and some toxic ideas. It also had some causes in the global trade economy and might not be totally preventable anyway, but the upshot was a stagnant wage for the majority of workers for decades, low bargaining power and thus a loss of respect and power. Demographics also was a big factor. So people blamed foreign immigration and foreign trade is also part of it. Pretty much everyone including our own minorities. Add in a white tendency to imagine affirmative action type reasons for blaming some out group for why they aren’t successful and here we are.
People don’t intuitively understand economics. They just get it wrong a lot.
They didn’t go to college in many cases because they couldn’t. Depending on where you start, it really isn’t always possible.
Sallycat
@Baud:
This doesn’t account for my brother; he is college educated and had a very successful business. Both he and one of his sons, are virulent Trumpists. The son is a practicing m.d. After much puzzling over this, I now think that the cause of their devotion to such a repellent individual is, sadly, racism.
lowtechcyclist
@Ohio Mom:
The difference is that the debt ceiling is fundamentally an artificial problem, so it is amenable to an artificial solution such as the platinum coin.
The national debt is of course quite real, so one can’t make it go away by artificial means, whether it’s a few dozen platinum coins (no way Atrios would suggest that) or cryptocurrency theoretically valued at $35 trillion.
Gloria DryGarden
@ljdramone: thank you. I hadn’t gotten the reference. Got it!
Gloria DryGarden
@HumboldtBlue: I concur. Thank you.
How do we know he wasn’t set up to do this so trumple could concoct another trumped up news story to distract us from his arlington,& Springfield shenanigans, and his 2025 involvement, and his transparent lies about women.
and re this execution that the justices refused to put a stay, in Missouri, it almost stopped my breath! Trying to send prayers, do you know what date is set? This is where I truly want to ask the goddess if she could pease please do a bit of smiting? I can’t tell her Her business, but sheesh. I’m going to cry.