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You are here: Home / Political Fundraising / Targeted Political Fundraising 2023-24 / Screw the Recent NYT Poll for AZ – Arizona Is Absolutely in Play and Operation Blue Arizona is Laser-Targeted to Keep AZ Blue

Screw the Recent NYT Poll for AZ – Arizona Is Absolutely in Play and Operation Blue Arizona is Laser-Targeted to Keep AZ Blue

by WaterGirl|  September 24, 20244:05 pm| 88 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Political Action, Political Fundraising, Politics, Targeted Political Fundraising 2023-24

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Arizona is absolutely in play.

So, as one of Cole’s favorite sayings goes, Fuck those guys!  And their stupid poll, too.

As you surely all know by now, Operation Blue Arizona is a multi-faceted effort by Balloon Juice to:

  • keep Arizona’s 11 electoral votes
  • flip the closely-divided legislature from red to blue
  • unseat two virulently anti-choice state Supreme Court justices
  • elect the Democrat to oversee elections in Arizona’s most populous County, with over 60% of the state’s population

Here’s the original Operation Blue Arizona post, in case you want a refresher.

Balloon Juice Operation Blue Arizona

Who could miss the jittery pundit hand-wringing over last weekend’s NYT Siena poll, which purportedly showed Trump resurgent in Arizona?  The poll has Trump up 49% to 45%, the exact opposite of the result of the same poll in August (Trump is up 47-42 if you include third party candidates).

The same poll reflected Ruben Gallego polling 9 points ahead of batshit crazy quasi-human Kari Lake, suggesting some “ticket-splitting” may be at play in the Grand Canyon State.

Fun Facts

  • AZ  is experiencing rapid growth with a massive population churn
  • with a youthful voter base
  • and a substantial number of voters registered as “independent” (35%).
  • all of which make Arizona notoriously difficult to poll
  • and most importantly, neither our partners on the ground nor the experts are panicking!

More Fun Things to Consider

  • According to semi-reformed Republican strategist Matthew Dowd, the Arizona poll does not reflect the actual voting habits of Arizonans.
  • In the last two elections, all Democrats ended up within 2 to 2 ½ percentage points of each other, reflecting relatively little ticket-splitting in the end (despite early polls showing otherwise).
  • So we’re supposed to believe that Ruben Gallego is up by 9 points and Harris is down by 5 points?
  • Further, the same NYT poll reflected Harris up by four points in August 2024.
  • It defies logic that the candidates’ relative standing would have flipped in Trump’s favor after the debate.

Our partner, Worker Power is knocking on hundreds of thousands of doors motivating Democratic and Democratic-leaning voters to turn out.  They have over 500 trained canvassers in the field registering new voters in key swing districts. 

Our partner, Four Directions is expanding their efforts to turn out the vote in Indian Country by hiring more paid relational organizers.   The AZ Native community alone could deliver the state to Harris.

Whats at Stake?  (besides everything!)

  • 11 electoral votes for Harris
  • 2 flipped US House seats
  • Ruben Gallego’s Senate seat, which would help Dems keep the Senate.
  • Democratic majority in the AZ House instead of Republican control
  • Democratic majority in the AZ Senate instead of Republican control
  • a possible AZ democratic trifecta (governor, state House and state Senate)

Let’s do this!

So let’s buck up and kicks some Republican ass, shall we?

The registration deadline is October 7.  Early voting starts on October 9.   Every day matters.

Let’s prove the FTFNYT and its stupid polls wrong AGAIN!

I’l leave you with the words of Worker Power’s Executive Director:  Arizona is a must-win state for Trump, and we have the power to ensure he never steps foot in the Oval Office again.

Addendum: There has been some discussion about additional Congressional candidates in the comments.  There is a lot more money sloshing around in 2024 than in 2022, which is not surprising in a Presidential election year.   For the most part, we’re very temporarily holding our fire on most of these candidates until Q3 fundraising numbers come out (as early as next week).

Stay tuned for some possible specific candidate flash-fundraising in the very near future, as soon as we meet our goals for these two great organizations.

We have Angels for Four Directions (4x match until we hit $25k) and Worker Power (2x match).

Four Directions  (4x) – Angel is silvery!    completed!  (thank you silvery!)

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  1. 1.

    waspuppet

    September 24, 2024 at 4:08 pm

    Jittery pundit hand-wringing? Please. They’re consulting their physicians regarding a certain condition lasting longer than four hours. They haven’t been this happy since they had Biden to harass.

  2. 2.

    rikyrah

    September 24, 2024 at 4:08 pm

    I know that’s right.

    We are pushing pushing pushing in Arizona

  3. 3.

    japa21

    September 24, 2024 at 4:11 pm

    There is no way Gallego is up by 9 and Harris is down by 4.  As soon as I saw that I realized there was a  major problem with the poll.  Not that ballot splitting is unheard of, but this much is ridiculous.

  4. 4.

    Steve LaBonne

    September 24, 2024 at 4:16 pm

    Siena, in constructing its samples, models the electorate- nationally and in all of the swing states they poll-as significantly more Republican than any of the other quality pollsters. I don’t think this is malicious, but neither do I buy it. Also I don’t buy national polls that show Trump tied or slightly ahead. No Republican presidential candidate has won the popular vote since Bush in 2004 and there is simply no explanation for why that should suddenly change this year.

  5. 5.

    Steve LaBonne

    September 24, 2024 at 4:17 pm

    @japa21: I don’t know of any precedent for a gap that big.

  6. 6.

    Almost Retired

    September 24, 2024 at 4:18 pm

    Awesome, I’m in for $100 each for Worker Power and Four Directions.  Matches, baby!!

  7. 7.

    Antid Oto

    September 24, 2024 at 4:18 pm

    Put in $500 to Worker Power.

  8. 8.

    gkoutnik

    September 24, 2024 at 4:25 pm

    Are we still reporting donations in order to get matches?  If so – $100 to Four Directions.

    Answer: YES!

  9. 9.

    Steve LaBonne

    September 24, 2024 at 4:27 pm

    $25 to Four Directions.

  10. 10.

    Trivia Man

    September 24, 2024 at 4:28 pm

    What’s At Stake needs another bullet point for AZ-SEN at the federal level

  11. 11.

    H.E.Wolf

    September 24, 2024 at 4:32 pm

    Let’s do the work, leave it all on the field as they say, and have faith.

  12. 12.

    Geminid

    September 24, 2024 at 4:38 pm

    @japa21: In 2020, Mark Kelly ran 44,000 votes ahead of Joe Biden in Arizona. That was with almost 3.4 votes cast, and I believe this was a 1.3% margin.. So yeah, there is no reason to believe that Kamala Harris is running as far behind Ruben Gallego as this poll suggests.

    That said, I think Gallego will run further ahead of Harris than Kelly led Biden by, because Gallego impresses me as as a very strong candidate and Scari Kari Lake is unpopular in Arizona. But I still believe Harris will win the Grand Canyon State.

  13. 13.

    WaterGirl

    September 24, 2024 at 4:41 pm

    @Almost Retired:  @Antid Oto:  @gkoutnik: @Steve LaBonne:

    Thank you so much!

  14. 14.

    WaterGirl

    September 24, 2024 at 4:44 pm

    @Trivia Man:  I just added Jon Tester the Ruben Gallego senate seat, is that what you were getting at?

  15. 15.

    Trivia Man

    September 24, 2024 at 4:47 pm

    @WaterGirl: No, Gallego vs Lake is a pretty big reason to get boots on the ground in Arizona. That race is mentioned here but should be on the short list. One voter can do a lot of heavy lifting in AZ,

  16. 16.

    Trivia Man

    September 24, 2024 at 4:48 pm

    But Tester is a BFD too!

  17. 17.

    BeautifulPlumage

    September 24, 2024 at 4:52 pm

    I’m still paying off the new clutch but I did get postcard addresses for Allred & Whitehouse, which I’ll finish tonight. I’ll ask for some AZ addresses next!

  18. 18.

    WaterGirl

    September 24, 2024 at 4:52 pm

    @Trivia Man:  Just a brain fart!  I meant Ruben Gallego.  I did that toward the end in 2022, too, sometimes mixing up who was running for what in AZ and NV.

  19. 19.

    WaterGirl

    September 24, 2024 at 4:53 pm

    @Trivia Man: Especially the voters in the districts where Worker Power is working!

  20. 20.

    WaterGirl

    September 24, 2024 at 4:54 pm

    @BeautifulPlumage: Are you good with $$ for stamps for the postcards?  Because I have A LOT of postcard stamps that people donated, and I have had very few requests for them.

  21. 21.

    Alice

    September 24, 2024 at 4:58 pm

    $20 each to Worker Power and Four Directions.

  22. 22.

    Ksmiami

    September 24, 2024 at 4:59 pm

    @rikyrah: donated to worker power. Dealing w some health and remodeling issues

  23. 23.

    Chief Oshkosh

    September 24, 2024 at 5:04 pm

    I think the phrase is “Fuck you and your little dog, Toto, too!”

    Or something like that.

  24. 24.

    Sure Lurkalot

    September 24, 2024 at 5:08 pm

    I had asked for Arizona addresses for my last batch but got Sherrod Brown addresses instead (which was fine, sorry to hear his race with the “abortion is not an issue for women over 50” idiot is close.

    I’m thinking of trying a different outfit other than Postcards to Voters for my next batch.

  25. 25.

    WaterGirl

    September 24, 2024 at 5:08 pm

    @Alice: Thank you!

  26. 26.

    KrackenJack

    September 24, 2024 at 5:17 pm

    In for $250 each to Four Directions and Worker Power. Let’s go!

  27. 27.

    Rose Weiss

    September 24, 2024 at 5:26 pm

    $100 to 4 Directions late last night. My plumbing bill was less than expected so I felt relatively flush.

  28. 28.

    BlueGuitarist

    September 24, 2024 at 5:28 pm

    rapid growth with a massive population churn

    And speaking of churn, Ben & Jerry’s has a new flavor: Churn Out the Vote.
    Maybe good for postcard writing, with or without company
    and/or getting people together to celebrate and vote

    AZ also has the citizen initiative to add abortion rights to the state constitution.

    There are also 11 bad ballot measures
    including one that will end retention elections for state Supreme Court justices and give them life terms, retroactively applicable to the 2 on the ballot this year.
    Republicans are hoping that people will be exhausted and confused by the ballot measures and skip them, so that even if people vote against retaining the justices, they could reverse that with fewer votes on the ballot measure.
    Also people might skip or not use all 3 votes each voter gets for the 3 seats on the AZ Corporation Commission which regulates energy/climate policy, D majority possible if we win all 3 seats.

  29. 29.

    WaterGirl

    September 24, 2024 at 5:36 pm

    @Rose Weiss: Plumbing bills are rarely less than expected.  Did you also buy a lottery ticket? :-)

    Thank you!

  30. 30.

    WaterGirl

    September 24, 2024 at 5:39 pm

    @BlueGuitarist: I wonder how may AZ peeps we have on Balloon Juice?

  31. 31.

    WaterGirl

    September 24, 2024 at 5:46 pm

    @BlueGuitarist: Hopefully the Abortion Protection folks are also reminding people about the other ballot measures, and vice versa.

  32. 32.

    divF

    September 24, 2024 at 5:49 pm

    $250 for Four Directions. I’ll get the others later.

  33. 33.

    BenInNM

    September 24, 2024 at 5:57 pm

    Put in $25 for Four Directions

  34. 34.

    pat

    September 24, 2024 at 5:59 pm

    Just sent $250 to Blue Arizona, to be divided equally.

  35. 35.

    WaterGirl

    September 24, 2024 at 6:18 pm

    @divF: @BenInNM:   Thanks so much!

  36. 36.

    BeautifulPlumage

    September 24, 2024 at 6:20 pm

    @WaterGirl: Yes, that would help! I’m almost out of what I had from 2022. I’ll send you an email.

  37. 37.

    WaterGirl

    September 24, 2024 at 6:24 pm

    @pat: Thank you!!

  38. 38.

    WaterGirl

    September 24, 2024 at 6:25 pm

    @BeautifulPlumage: Great!

  39. 39.

    Mike S. (Now with a Democratic Congressperson!)

    September 24, 2024 at 6:27 pm

    Hi W.G. Im in for another

    $100 for Balloon Juice for Worker Power Fall 2024 GOTV

    &

    $100 for Balloon Juice for Four Directions AZ 2024 Phase II

    Thanks

    MS

  40. 40.

    Trivia Man

    September 24, 2024 at 6:31 pm

    @WaterGirl: (I won’t tell anyone)

    It is a very nice list i have shared around… nice to have deep synergy where some votes have a bigger bang

  41. 41.

    StringOnAStick

    September 24, 2024 at 6:32 pm

    $25 for Worker Power, $25 for Four Directions and $25 for Operation Blue AZ.

  42. 42.

    Trivia Man

    September 24, 2024 at 6:34 pm

    @WaterGirl: mrs trivia has lots of medical issues so we have a running joke. Every time a doctor says “that is so unusual! Ive never seen this before!” We but a lottery ticket.

  43. 43.

    Marmot

    September 24, 2024 at 6:36 pm

    In for $25 on both.

    Edit: Both angel-matched ones.

  44. 44.

    KrackenJack

    September 24, 2024 at 6:41 pm

    @WaterGirl: Just want to make sure I didn’t slip through the cracks at #26.

  45. 45.

    Hungry Joe

    September 24, 2024 at 6:42 pm

    In for five double-sawbucks (100 simoleons) to Four Directions.

  46. 46.

    FastEdD

    September 24, 2024 at 6:48 pm

    50 for WP and 50 for 4D. Thanks for directing our resources to where they are needed!

  47. 47.

    snoey

    September 24, 2024 at 6:49 pm

    100 to Four Directions

  48. 48.

    piratedan

    September 24, 2024 at 7:08 pm

    @Geminid: hoping that Blue Guitarist will back me up on this…

    I honestly believe that the fate of the Arizona elections is going to come down to if the GOP can scare enough peeps with their border schtick one more time to hold on to offices or if that immigration fever has truly broken on the abortion issue.

    Lake is a shitty candidate, and both her and Trump are linked on the abortion issue and since Abortion is on the ballot and the GOP damn near had to be physically restrained from throwing themselves around a law created before Arizona was even a state that was tell that has been forgotten by many.

    If someone is splitting their ballot between Lake and Trump, I don’t know what to tell you because I have yet to encounter this mythical beast out in the wild.  Not saying that they don’t exist but law of averages would dictate that I would have seen at least one of them… The only semi-logical explanation I can find is an ultra-misogynist voter that will never vote for a woman EVER… could that be 13% of the Arizona electorate, I have some doubts.

  49. 49.

    Princess

    September 24, 2024 at 7:17 pm

    @piratedan: It’s a weird result. The same thing is happening in Nevada. Rosen, who is a woman, is way ahead of Harris-Walz. And senate races in NV are usually razor close.

  50. 50.

    Carlo Graziani

    September 24, 2024 at 7:23 pm

    A stat note on the Siena poll: setting aside all other modeling errors, a 2-candidate poll of 700-ish likely voters comes with a noise error of 4% on the degree of preference for one candidate. Which means an 8% noise error on the margin between the two candidates.

    “Noise error” (AKA “sampling error”) here means that all other things being equal, different random samples of 700 people would have shown a range of results, most (about 2/3) within 8% of the reported one. So a 4% lead is within the noise of this poll.

    I understand that Siena wants to keep its methodological standards high, by restricting itself to phone interviews. But the evident result is samples that are too small to probe uncertainties in tight races. Their polls ought to be complemented by other, higher-sample-size, lower-voter-model-quality polls, using modeling techniques to combine the strengths of the two samples. Or they should just grit their teeth and increase the sample size (doubling it would result in a 5% error on the margin between candidates). But as it is, their polls tell us little about the state of the race in Arizona or Georgia, and nothing about North Carolina.

  51. 51.

    piratedan

    September 24, 2024 at 7:25 pm

    @Princess: and coincidentally, these results are only exacerbated by polls from the “paper of record” which has demonstrated bad faith repeatedly in their framing of statistical data.  Why anyone would think that they wouldn’t cook the books on these polls strikes me as naive.

  52. 52.

    dkinPa

    September 24, 2024 at 7:42 pm

    Just donated $25 to Four Directions, and

    $25 to Worker Power.

    Thank you, WaterGirl, for setting this up!  Go Blue!

  53. 53.

    WaterGirl

    September 24, 2024 at 7:43 pm

    @Mike S. (Now with a Democratic Congressperson!): Thank you!

  54. 54.

    WaterGirl

    September 24, 2024 at 7:45 pm

    @Trivia Man: Well that sucks about the medical issues, but at least you have a sense of humor about it.

  55. 55.

    WaterGirl

    September 24, 2024 at 7:47 pm

    @KrackenJack: Thank you!

    And this is why I try to thank everyone AND track the matches by comment number, so I can go back and check.

    Thank you so much !!!!

  56. 56.

    WaterGirl

    September 24, 2024 at 7:51 pm

    @Carlo Graziani:

    But as it is, their polls tell us little about the state of the race in Arizona or Georgia, and nothing about North Carolina.

    I just wanted to see that again.

  57. 57.

    WaterGirl

    September 24, 2024 at 7:54 pm

    @pat:  @Mike S. (Now with a Democratic Congressperson!):   @StringOnAStick:   @Marmot:   @Hungry Joe:   @FastEdD:   @snoey:   @dkinPa:

    Big thanks to all of you!!

  58. 58.

    Westyny

    September 24, 2024 at 8:03 pm

    Want the record to show I sent 50 bucks to Four Directions last night!

  59. 59.

    WaterGirl

    September 24, 2024 at 8:03 pm

    Our match from silvery is complete and we are now starting a new Angel match from Marleedog for Four Directions!

    Thank you, silvery!

  60. 60.

    WaterGirl

    September 24, 2024 at 8:04 pm

    @Westyny: You are officially matched!  Thank you.

  61. 61.

    2liberal

    September 24, 2024 at 8:07 pm

    $1000 for worker power donated

  62. 62.

    gwangung

    September 24, 2024 at 8:11 pm

    The cross tabs don’t make sense, even the trends don’t make sense. I just don’t think the polls can be relied on for very much…

  63. 63.

    Central Planning

    September 24, 2024 at 8:20 pm

    Just dropped $100 for the SC and Abortion Rights entry. Let’s go!!!!

  64. 64.

    WaterGirl

    September 24, 2024 at 8:28 pm

    @2liberal: Wowser!  I did a double-take. Cannot thank you enough.

  65. 65.

    WaterGirl

    September 24, 2024 at 8:29 pm

    @gwangung: That’s how i feel about the polls, too.

  66. 66.

    WaterGirl

    September 24, 2024 at 8:29 pm

    @Central Planning: Thank you!

  67. 67.

    Kathy

    September 24, 2024 at 8:58 pm

    25 for worker power-

  68. 68.

    Fake Irishman

    September 24, 2024 at 9:26 pm

    $100 to each of the four. Keep’em coming.

  69. 69.

    Warren Senders

    September 24, 2024 at 9:38 pm

    In for $25 to abortion rights.

  70. 70.

    Spanish Moss

    September 24, 2024 at 9:41 pm

    50 for Four Directions

  71. 71.

    MJ

    September 24, 2024 at 9:54 pm

    $50 each to Worker Power and 4 Directions.   Thanks WaterGirl!

  72. 72.

    Mousebumples

    September 24, 2024 at 10:00 pm

    Tossing in $100, so $25 per thermometer. Thanks!

  73. 73.

    Avalie

    September 24, 2024 at 10:16 pm

    Adding another $25 for each of the four thermometers!

  74. 74.

    mvr

    September 24, 2024 at 11:01 pm

    Just dropped another $25 on the Balloon Juice for Four Directions phase II. It is not at 25K yet.

  75. 75.

    WaterGirl

    September 24, 2024 at 11:23 pm

    @Kathy:

    @Fake Irishman:

    @Warren Senders:

    @Spanish Moss:

    @MJ:

    @Mousebumples:

    @Avalie:

    @mvr:

    Thank you all, so much!

  76. 76.

    WaterGirl

    September 24, 2024 at 11:26 pm

    Even though the thermometer isn’t quite at $25k, it will be as soon as our Angel adds their $$.

    So Four Directions is now officially at 2x matching!  Same as Worker Power.

    Thanks to EVERYONE who is donating!

  77. 77.

    WaterGirl

    September 24, 2024 at 11:28 pm

    Heading for bed!  Will check for any matching donations in the morning!

  78. 78.

    kalakal

    September 24, 2024 at 11:29 pm

    $25 for Four Directions

  79. 79.

    Jesse

    September 25, 2024 at 2:13 am

    $10 each for Four Directions and Worker Power.

  80. 80.

    Joey Maloney

    September 25, 2024 at 2:51 am

    Is there a match for the Blue Arizona tranche? I just put in 50.

  81. 81.

    Dr. Bud

    September 25, 2024 at 7:49 am

    In at $25

  82. 82.

    WaterGirl

    September 25, 2024 at 9:16 am

    @kalakal: Thank you!

  83. 83.

    WaterGirl

    September 25, 2024 at 9:16 am

    @Jesse: Your $10 donations were double-Angel matched.

  84. 84.

    WaterGirl

    September 25, 2024 at 9:17 am

    @Joey Maloney: Hi Joey!

    If you mean the candidates thermometer, we do not currently have any Angels for the AZ candidates.

    Thanks for donating!

  85. 85.

    WaterGirl

    September 25, 2024 at 9:17 am

    @Dr. Bud: Thank you, and welcome!

  86. 86.

    Emily B.

    September 25, 2024 at 10:14 am

    I see that the Four Directions thermometer is getting close to the $25K milestone, so couldn’t resist bumping it a little closer with $25.

  87. 87.

    WaterGirl

    September 25, 2024 at 3:36 pm

    @Emily B.: Thank you!

  88. 88.

    WaterGirl

    September 25, 2024 at 8:30 pm

    Angel match has been added for AZ Candidates.  Thank you anonymous angel!

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