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You are here: Home / Open Threads / What Is It with All These Republicans Killing Dogs?

What Is It with All These Republicans Killing Dogs?

by @heymistermix.com|  September 24, 20241:22 pm| 152 Comments

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What Is It with All These Republicans Killing Dogs
This is Loca, the alleged victim.

Woke up this morning to this:

The man behind Project 2025, the rightwing policy manifesto that includes calls for a sharp increase in immigrant deportations if Donald Trump is elected, told university colleagues about two decades ago that he had killed a neighborhood dog with a shovel because it was barking and disturbing his family, according to former colleagues who spoke to the Guardian.

Kevin Roberts, now the president of the Heritage Foundation, is alleged to have told colleagues and dinner guests that he killed a neighbor’s pit bull around 2004 while he was working as a still relatively unknown history professor at New Mexico State University.

At least Kristi Noem had the good grace to use a gun when she dispatched poor Cricket.  A shovel seems both more brutal and more on-brand for the guy who dreamt up Project 2025.

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  1. 1.

    Suzanne

    September 24, 2024 at 1:24 pm

    The answer: BECAUSE THEY ARE BAD PEOPLE.

  2. 2.

    scav

    September 24, 2024 at 1:26 pm

    There’s the other odd detail that so many heard it in public conversation and it just slid for so long. Is killing neighbors pets just recently considered dodgy behavior?

  3. 3.

    BretH

    September 24, 2024 at 1:27 pm

    @Suzanne: I think we can just close comments now ☺️

  4. 4.

    Yarrow

    September 24, 2024 at 1:28 pm

    Because they’re abusers.

  5. 5.

    rk

    September 24, 2024 at 1:28 pm

    I wouldn’t be surprised if he ate the dog (and maybe some cats) as well.

  6. 6.

    Steve LaBonne

    September 24, 2024 at 1:31 pm

    @Yarrow: Which is why their response to pretty much everything is DARVO.

  7. 7.

    Yarrow

    September 24, 2024 at 1:31 pm

    Mitt Romney put the family dog on top of the car. Kristi Noem shot their dog. This guy killed the neighbor’s dog with a shovel. Every iteration is worse.

  8. 8.

    Sister Golden Bear

    September 24, 2024 at 1:31 pm

    THEY’RE BEATING THE DOGS, THEY’RE BEATING THE CATS, THEY’RE BESTING THE PETS!!!!

  9. 9.

    Chris

    September 24, 2024 at 1:31 pm

    There’s a reason puppy-kicking is a visual shorthand for “bad person” in so much of pop culture.  You really can, as it turns out, tell a lot about people from how they treat those they don’t have to treat well.

    Oh well, at least we know where this obsession with immigrants killing dogs comes from.

  10. 10.

    WaterGirl

    September 24, 2024 at 1:32 pm

    Sick bastards!

    Or maybe serial killers, who got stuck in the early phases?  It would be irresponsible not to speculate.

  11. 11.

    Yarrow

    September 24, 2024 at 1:32 pm

    @Chris: 

    at least we know where this obsession with immigrants killing dogs comes from.

    Every accusation is a confession.

  12. 12.

    Michael Bersin

    September 24, 2024 at 1:34 pm

    To contrast the ideologies:

    Decades ago a progressive friend (and teacher), living in New Mexico, stole the dog of a neighbor who abused the dog. The friend was moving out of town and took the dog with them. I met the dog soon after, the sweetest thing, but you had to give the dog time to get to know you because it was so skittish around “new” people.

  13. 13.

    HumboldtBlue

    September 24, 2024 at 1:36 pm

    More than 700 high-ranking national security officials endorse Harris

  14. 14.

    Suzanne

    September 24, 2024 at 1:37 pm

    @Chris:

    There’s a reason puppy-kicking is a visual shorthand for “bad person” in so much of pop culture.  You really can, as it turns out, tell a lot about people from how they treat those they don’t have to treat well.

    Yes. Same with how people treat waitstaff, if people return the shopping cart, if people pick up their trash, etc. It’s all basic fitness-for-society stuff.

    I will note that I saw an unattended dog in a run a couple of months ago. Posted about it to my neighborhood Facebook page. Did not realize I was kicking a hornet’s nest. Never again.

    ETA: Also if you let your bushes get so overgrown they block the sidewalk. Fuck those people.

  15. 15.

    Chief Oshkosh

    September 24, 2024 at 1:37 pm

    Like a sage once said, some people need killin’.

  16. 16.

    laura

    September 24, 2024 at 1:41 pm

    Cruelty so casual that he believed his depravity was a fit subject for both the water cooler and the dinner party. The sense of entitlement to dispatch a neighbor’s pet. Is their a single Republican who is not a complete shite-bag?

  17. 17.

    Chris

    September 24, 2024 at 1:42 pm

    Also, this clip from Charlie Wilson’s War feels obligatory given the topic.

  18. 18.

    Kay

    September 24, 2024 at 1:42 pm

    My mother, sort of infamously, once killed a groundhog with a shovel. They were garden enemies.

    When I said it to her once as a teenager to get under her skin she said “it was a SPADE, not a shovel”

    Just COLD :)

  19. 19.

    Steve LaBonne

    September 24, 2024 at 1:43 pm

    @Suzanne: Right wingers completely lack empathy and, not unrelatedy, are afraid of their own shadows. Just a really destructive personality type.

  20. 20.

    CaseyL

    September 24, 2024 at 1:46 pm

    They’re vile, repellent human-skin wearing monsters.

    30-odd years ago, Bill Donohue, the head of the Catholic League (ultra RW, the template for today’s RW god-botherers) boasted – actually boasted! – about belt-whipping his dachshund until it was properly docile and submissive.

    They’ve been at this a while.

    Animals are powerless stand-ins for every human who won’t bow to them.

  21. 21.

    lowtechcyclist

    September 24, 2024 at 1:46 pm

    I’m glad this story is making the news. Hopefully it will draw people’s attention to our country’s need to round up and deport Republicans en masse.

  22. 22.

    HumboldtBlue

    September 24, 2024 at 1:47 pm

    @laura: ​ 

    Is their a single Republican who is not a complete shite-bag?

    No.

  23. 23.

    TBone

    September 24, 2024 at 1:47 pm

    Today’s Tiedrich solace:

    look, I’m not a math guy and I don’t know shit about polling methodology. put a gun to my head and I still couldn’t tell you what a crosstab is — but I do know when I’m being force-fed a narrative.

    I don’t want to be one of these nitwits who rejects every piece of bad news as “fake” — that’s the other side’s thing — but don’t piss on my head and tell me it’s raining.

    https://www.jefftiedrich.com/p/the-press-is-failing-us-just-when

  24. 24.

    different-church-lady

    September 24, 2024 at 1:48 pm

    This is not helping my mood.

  25. 25.

    different-church-lady

    September 24, 2024 at 1:51 pm

    @TBone: It was never about Biden being old. It was always about “Democrats are worried about Biden being old.”

    Because (wait for it…) Democrats were told to be worried that everyone thought Biden was too old, and eventually they complied.

    They know the same game won’t work with Trump, so they won’t play it. Half of them are complicit and the other half are chumps.

  26. 26.

    Chris

    September 24, 2024 at 1:51 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Less “serial killers stuck in the early stages,” more “what might have been normal people, socialized into sociopathic behavior by their environment,” I think.

    I’ve observed this before, but a stupendous amount of conservative ideology consists of taking the basic impulses of empathy and decency that pretty much all humans have at least some of, and aggressively recategorizing them as “weakness,” “wokeness,” “political correctness,” “liberalism,” “socialism,” and whatever the hell else the buzzwords of the week are.  It ends up leaving behind a ton of emotionally stunted humans who think killing, hurting, or at the very least asserting your power over other people is the only way to prove yourself and handle problems.

    (There’s probably a “toxic masculinity” spiel to be put in here somewhere, but Kristi Noem demonstrates it’s not just men).

  27. 27.

    Chris

    September 24, 2024 at 1:53 pm

    @laura:

    The sense of entitlement to dispatch a neighbor’s pet.

    I somehow missed in my first read that this was a neighbor’s pet.

    I’ll just bet this is one of these people who can’t shut up about how property rights are the sacred foundation of all civilization, too.

  28. 28.

    Jeffro

    September 24, 2024 at 1:55 pm

    Aren’t we running about 30- or 40-to-1, GOP vs Dems, when it comes to “horrible people” stories?

    (even if 20 of those 40 stories are just different horrible aspects of trump?)

    I mean come on now…Noem…Gaetz…Loomer…Roberts…Thomas…Robinson…Vance…Vance again…

    I think we had Bob Menendez (for bribery, not dog-bashing!) and he resigned.

    Just ridiculously bad people, all around.

  29. 29.

    TBone

    September 24, 2024 at 1:55 pm

    @different-church-lady: I guess that’s why “being force-fed a narrative” appears in bold print.

  30. 30.

    Matt McIrvin

    September 24, 2024 at 1:55 pm

    @scav: I think there’s a weird “authentic rural culture” association with being un-squeamish about killing farm animals, pests and hunters’ prey, and sometimes it kind of bleeds over to something like this, and the people telling the story are so intent on the “tough and un-squeamish” cultural marker that they don’t even realize it sounds depraved.

  31. 31.

    different-church-lady

    September 24, 2024 at 1:56 pm

    TIRED: Lies about immigrants eating neighbors’ pets
    WIRED: MAGA operatives bragging about killing neighbors’ pets

  32. 32.

    Anonymous At Work

    September 24, 2024 at 1:56 pm

    @Chris: Wouldn’t go all the way to sociopath but conservatives have been shown to possess low empathy [for others].  Dogs love unconditionally as well, which is part of why TFG doesn’t trust them.  So, conservatives aren’t against killing things that bother them because neither the violence nor the killing triggers the same level of revulsion in most other people.

    But that’s only as a general tendency in large datasets.

  33. 33.

    different-church-lady

    September 24, 2024 at 1:57 pm

    @TBone: Stunned me how many people couldn’t see it two months ago.

  34. 34.

    TBone

    September 24, 2024 at 1:58 pm

    @different-church-lady: 👍

  35. 35.

    HumboldtBlue

    September 24, 2024 at 1:59 pm

    This isn’t good news.

    Israel Deliberately Blocked Humanitarian Aid to Gaza, Two Government Bodies Concluded. Antony Blinken Rejected Them. Blinken told Congress, “We do not currently assess that the Israeli government is prohibiting or otherwise restricting” aid, even though the U.S. Agency for International Development and others had determined that Israel had broken the law.

  36. 36.

    Matt McIrvin

    September 24, 2024 at 2:00 pm

    @Suzanne:

    Yes. Same with how people treat waitstaff, if people return the shopping cart, if people pick up their trash, etc. It’s all basic fitness-for-society stuff.

    Though I’ve gotten into weird arguments about that second one, where people claim that returning the shopping cart instead of letting paid supermarket employees do it is being a scab, or something.

  37. 37.

    Baud

    September 24, 2024 at 2:00 pm

    @Matt McIrvin:

    Some people are just weird.

  38. 38.

    Suzanne

    September 24, 2024 at 2:02 pm

    @Chris:

    I’ll just bet this is one of these people who can’t shut up about how property rights are the sacred foundation of all civilization, too. 

    Only their own property.
    And their children are their property.

  39. 39.

    TBone

    September 24, 2024 at 2:02 pm

    Hi ho, hi ho, it’s off to jail I go!

    During his rally in Indiana, Pennsylvania on Monday, Trump defended the Supreme Court from verbal criticisms and claimed people should be put in prison for doing so.

    Reposting because First Amendment says he can fuck all the way off 😊 with that bullshit.  This is another reminder that the Supremacists Court bumpstockers carry the stench of putrid, moldy orange garbage in perpetuity!

    https://crooksandliars.com/2024/09/trump-we-should-imprison-people

  40. 40.

    different-church-lady

    September 24, 2024 at 2:03 pm

    Okay, nothing is helping my mood:

    FBI: Son of suspect in Trump assassination attempt arrested on child sexual abuse images charges

  41. 41.

    Baud

    September 24, 2024 at 2:05 pm

    @different-church-lady:

    Arresting such people should be a good thing, no?

  42. 42.

    TBone

    September 24, 2024 at 2:05 pm

    @different-church-lady: facepalm

  43. 43.

    Barbara

    September 24, 2024 at 2:05 pm

    @Matt McIrvin: Yes, but it’s also something you see with people who get a “big mean” dog “for protection” in urban or suburban spaces — I went to a neighborhood event in which a woman gloated about how her German Shepherd terrified all the kids at the playground.  She was visibly shocked when I told her that I thought that children should be able to feel safe at a playground and it was her duty to let them know that her dog could not hurt them when she was out with him on a leash.  I don’t even think the dog was mean, she just liked tormenting little kids.

    It was all I could do not to say “what the fuck is wrong with you?”

  44. 44.

    scav

    September 24, 2024 at 2:05 pm

    @Matt McIrvin: This one has notched it up a slot by being about a neighbor’s pet, that is to say a neighbor’s property in their world view.  Yep, authentically violating their sacred property rights now along with whatever religiously-based “traditional” neighborliness they once patted themselves on the back about.  Will their next witty dinner party anecdote be about shooting out their neighbors living room stereo and all adjacent to it in response to a too-loud party? “Heh heh heh, the bullet spray certainly livened their dancing no end.”

  45. 45.

    Scout211

    September 24, 2024 at 2:05 pm

    @TBone: Nice.

    I posted an excerpt from another opinion piece against the media in a thread downstairs.  Well, a rant specifically against the FNYT.

    Here’s the Tweet for Drew Magary’s piece at sfgate.com  with the teaser.

    “The Times has so thoroughly isolated itself from the zeitgeist that it’s written itself right out of it. We don’t need these fartsniffers anymore, if we ever did.”

  46. 46.

    Steve LaBonne

    September 24, 2024 at 2:05 pm

    @TBone: “By a 6-3 vote, the Supreme Court today decided that the First Amendment does not preclude criminal prosecution of people who criticize Supreme Court decisions.”

  47. 47.

    Baud

    September 24, 2024 at 2:06 pm

    @Steve LaBonne:

    6-0, since the three libs were in jail.

  48. 48.

    different-church-lady

    September 24, 2024 at 2:07 pm

    @Baud: Well yes, that, but I mean seeing just how many deeply fucked-up people there are in the world is taking my taxes-doing melancholy and kicking it into depression-gear.

  49. 49.

    Steve LaBonne

    September 24, 2024 at 2:07 pm

    @Baud: Right you are. Naive of me.

  50. 50.

    eclare

    September 24, 2024 at 2:08 pm

    @Chris:

    Love that movie.

  51. 51.

    Chris

    September 24, 2024 at 2:08 pm

    @Matt McIrvin:

    Yeah, this is definitely a thing.

    What it always reminds me of is a little detail Homer took the trouble to insert into the Illiad and the Odyssey.  Among everything Odysseus leaves behind when he goes to war is a puppy that he’s started training but is still too small to have been taken on a hunt with.  When he gets back to Ithaca eighteen years later, the dog, now old and neglected, is the only living being that actually recognizes him.  Unfortunately, he can’t return the favor without breaking character, and the dog dies before they’ve had a chance at a proper reunion.  In a pair of poems that includes the destruction of an entire city and the death of every other member of Odysseus’ crew, it still somehow manages to be one of the peak tearjerkers.

    And the “be strong and kill your animals!” types always remind me of this, because these are the same people – especially the nerdy, J. D. Vance types; Kristi Noem might not fit this profile, but I promise you the leader of the Heritage Foundation does – who are absolutely obsessed with the ancient Greeks, as a font of all proper masculinity and strength.  Can you imagine how disappointed they’d be if they ever actually met the ancient Greeks?  And found out that, no, actually, they got just as sentimental about their animals as we do; it really is just you that’s an asshole?

  52. 52.

    SatanicPanic

    September 24, 2024 at 2:12 pm

    @laura: Yeah wtf, the neighbor’s dog? That deserves a beatdown by the entire neighborhood. You can’t allow that kind of person in your neighborhood, he’ll probably kill a child next.

  53. 53.

    dr. luba

    September 24, 2024 at 2:15 pm

    Let us not forget the other Huckabee spawn, also a dog killer……

  54. 54.

    trnc

    September 24, 2024 at 2:16 pm

    To make matters worse, she recalled Roberts saying that the neighbor in question also had puppies and that he had considered killing them, too.

  55. 55.

    TBone

    September 24, 2024 at 2:17 pm

    I have horror stories about two friends tangling with MAGA type rethuglican neighbors.  The guy friend is a paraplegic and his wife is a free spirit so, naturally, they are targets of the upstanding, civil society, small business owning, wealthier next door neighbors there.  The neighbors began by blocking all deliveries and utility ingress from getting up the driveway to my friends.  Then, these fine citizens cut the penis of my friends’ dog with something very sharp (luckily got him to the vet before he bled out), because these people monsters were certain that they owned the shared driveway.  I got a former employer attorney involved when they sued my friends, and he obtained a $10,000 monetary judgment on behalf of the true owners of the driveway (my friends).  The upstanding, small business owning, fine and normal citizens monsters had a new driveway built rather than paying the judgement.

    Once the monsters found out that I’d helped my friends, I was also set up in a police incident but luckily my FOP representative employer intervened on my behalf (long story but that retaliation effort failed).

  56. 56.

    Kay

    September 24, 2024 at 2:18 pm

    @HumboldtBlue:

    Blinken has zero credibility. An unmitigated disaster.

    I keep thinking of how Tim Kaine said 9 months ago that the Biden Gaza policy was “a failure” and no one listened to him. Tim Kaine is a Biden ally. Just absolute bull headed stubborness to ignore him (and everyone else who dissented – there were and are A LOT of people).

    I cannot wait until the Biden State Department clears out. They do damage to the US every additional day they’re in there. I hope so much Harris gets an entirely new crew with fresh eyes and a actual commitment to following US law.

    This is now Blinken’s fucking ego. He can’t admit he’s been tragically, spectacularly wrong every step of the way. He’s now the defense attorney for war criminals.

  57. 57.

    rikyrah

    September 24, 2024 at 2:18 pm

    Portia ♍️ McGonagal (@PortiaMcGonagal) posted at 11:07 AM on Tue, Sep 24, 2024:
    In re: Trump’s view as a “protector”. The only people I’ve ever wanted protection from are the types of people who support him. Racists, bigots, misogynists…creepy men who don’t know that “No” is a complete sentence. Nationalists ignorant of US and world history. 1/
    (https://x.com/PortiaMcGonagal/status/1838611179553652928?t=LAs6Qu7ayw4gESorBlAJAA&s=03)

    Portia ♍️ McGonagal (@PortiaMcGonagal) posted at 11:09 AM on Tue, Sep 24, 2024:
    2/2
    Mean girl women like Megyn Kelly who create drama for non-white and especially Black women in the workplace. “Boy Moms” and Moms for Liberty WW who use passive aggressive tactics to position themselves as victims of the “angry Black woman”.
    (https://x.com/PortiaMcGonagal/status/1838611716344807620?t=0-quxmn3lk28NxIUi4oHYw&s=03)

  58. 58.

    rikyrah

    September 24, 2024 at 2:20 pm

    Candidly Tiff 🪷💛 (@tify330) posted at 11:34 AM on Tue, Sep 24, 2024:
    I am still deeply disturbed at how Larry handled the covid vaccine distribution especially since he lied on Black and Brown Marylanders saying they were hesitant, when in fact more access was needed. https://t.co/SbdliUr0xU
    (https://x.com/tify330/status/1838618044102291716?t=UutxKFhvtAr9hg1Quni5qQ&s=03)

    All SHOULD Be Equal Before THEE Law🪷🇺🇲🇺🇦🌻🟦 (@EqualUnderLaw12) posted at 11:25 AM on Tue, Sep 24, 2024:
    Larry Hogan botched COVID vaccine distribution. He started slow & never caught up. Hogan spent tens of millions of $$$ on consultants for MD to be among the slowest states for vax distribution. With MD’s deep healthcare resources, this was a massive fail.
    https://t.co/KJ7UoRNvoV https://t.co/iA58sNbRcw
    (https://x.com/EqualUnderLaw12/status/1838615846731592064?s=03)

  59. 59.

    cain

    September 24, 2024 at 2:20 pm

    @HumboldtBlue:

    I hope they replace Blinken in the new Harris administration.

  60. 60.

    RevRick

    September 24, 2024 at 2:20 pm

    Republicans have a hierarchical view not only in terms of human relations but also in terms of our relationship to the natural world. Basically, they view the world instrumentally, that it’s a tool for our use and exploitation. And this goes for the animal world as well. When you hear conservative thinkers (using that word loosely) talk about the natural order of dominance and submission, you get the feeling that they believe poor people own pets so that they have an animal they can kick.
    The abuse of animals is cut from the same cloth as “drill, baby, drill” and climate change denial. God gave us dominion over the world and every living thing, and, by golly, we’re going to exercise it with a vengeance. Nevermind the fact that theirs is a sick and twisted notion of what that passage of Scripture means by dominion. Hint: it’s stewardship, not exploitation.

  61. 61.

    Kay

    September 24, 2024 at 2:22 pm

    @HumboldtBlue:

    Blinken was once the point man defending Biden’s vote on the Iraq invasion, so this is not a one-off. He’s always on the wrong side. Consistently poor judgment. Oh, well. At least he has practice defending atrocities and war crimes.

  62. 62.

    Soprano2

    September 24, 2024 at 2:23 pm

    @Michael Bersin: My husband did that a long time ago. He said it took a month to get her to walk on a leash. She was the most loyal dog to him, and such a sweetheart. I cannot understand people who abuse animals or other people.

  63. 63.

    A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan)

    September 24, 2024 at 2:24 pm

    @TBone: Thank you so much for turning me on to him and his daily screeds! He is great solace.

  64. 64.

    TBone

    September 24, 2024 at 2:25 pm

    @RevRick: stewardship is such a great word.

  65. 65.

    TBone

    September 24, 2024 at 2:25 pm

    @A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan): 💜🥰

  66. 66.

    gwangung

    September 24, 2024 at 2:26 pm

    @Barbara: Perhaps we should NOT hold back on saying that.

    Make them defend their asshole behavior.

  67. 67.

    Chris

    September 24, 2024 at 2:27 pm

    @HumboldtBlue:

    It really is right out of the GOP playbook.

    “Well yes, the CIA, State Department, IAEA, and all our allies’ relevant agencies have all confirmed that Iran is abiding by JCPOA terms, but that’s just not what I want to be true.”

    Or back to the Reagan era, when Casey literally took the product of analysts whose conclusions he didn’t like, rewrote them so that they said something he did like, and just handed that in to the cabinet as “intelligence.”

    Why bother having a professional public service at all, really?  Blinken knows everything.  He can do everything.  Why, the next thing you know he’ll have brought peace to the Middle East just like Jared Kushner.

  68. 68.

    Spanky

    September 24, 2024 at 2:27 pm

    @different-church-lady:

    This is not helping my mood.

    Amen. Nominated. Permanent tag, please.

  69. 69.

    Trollhattan

    September 24, 2024 at 2:27 pm

    Could have happily gone [checks watch] the rest of my life without having read that story.

  70. 70.

    Trollhattan

    September 24, 2024 at 2:30 pm

    @TBone:

    He wants to be Putin so hard. You can’t say shit about any politician or any foreign intrigue in Russia without risking the gulag. “Sounds great!” says Donny.

  71. 71.

    Chris

    September 24, 2024 at 2:30 pm

    @RevRick:

    When I was young and just beginning to notice politics, one of the very first things that was “off” to me about the right wing was the sheer rage that environmentalists drove them into.  It was just completely out of all proportion to anything these people had ever done or even suggested.  But then, environmentalism is a suggestion that you should take good care of something that’s hierarchically “beneath” you.  Of course it drives them insane.

  72. 72.

    Matt McIrvin

    September 24, 2024 at 2:31 pm

    @Barbara: Dogs obtained to be big and mean are often terribly abused too.

  73. 73.

    Suzanne

    September 24, 2024 at 2:32 pm

    @Matt McIrvin:

    Though I’ve gotten into weird arguments about that second one, where people claim that returning the shopping cart instead of letting paid supermarket employees do it is being a scab, or something. 

    As someone who used to do that….. I promise those employees have other things to do, and would appreciate the return of the cart to a cart corral.

    See also: throwing away your trash and returning your tray at a fast food restaurant.

  74. 74.

    TBone

    September 24, 2024 at 2:32 pm

    @Trollhattan: exactly so.  Fuck ’em all – I dissent!!!

  75. 75.

    Kosh III

    September 24, 2024 at 2:33 pm

    The story doesn’t say how the neighbor reacted? If it had been my dog my first action would’ve been “hello sheriff…..”

  76. 76.

    TBone

    September 24, 2024 at 2:33 pm

    @Chris: 👍

  77. 77.

    TBone

    September 24, 2024 at 2:36 pm

    @Scout211: 💙😍💪

  78. 78.

    Matt McIrvin

    September 24, 2024 at 2:38 pm

    @Suzanne: The discourse had that air of “so devoted to your theoretical framework that you go up your own asshole”.

  79. 79.

    TBone

    September 24, 2024 at 2:38 pm

    @Steve LaBonne: please don’t tempt fate! 🤬

    VP Harris coming out forcefully today in favor of getting rid of the filibuster is the shot across their bow heard ’round the world!

  80. 80.

    kindness

    September 24, 2024 at 2:40 pm

    I’m so thankful no one ever did anything like this to me or mine.  All I know is if they had, I’d still be in jail if you know what I mean.

  81. 81.

    Matt McIrvin

    September 24, 2024 at 2:40 pm

    @Chris: The one that gets me is the blind spitting rage about accommodations for the disabled. Like, what the living fuck, people?

    I know, some small-business owner had to spend some money to probably make things better for everyone.

  82. 82.

    RevRick

    September 24, 2024 at 2:40 pm

    @Chris: good observation.

  83. 83.

    Matt McIrvin

    September 24, 2024 at 2:41 pm

    @TBone: I think the campaign needs to do something that makes a big media splash every couple of weeks to keep the energy up.

  84. 84.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    September 24, 2024 at 2:42 pm

    Doesn’t this reflect poorly on Biden on his selection of Blinken and his keeping him on as Secretary of State?

  85. 85.

    Ishiyama

    September 24, 2024 at 2:42 pm

    This happened today: https://www.chandralaw.com/blog/criminal-charges-filed-against-trump-and-vance-for-springfield-ohio-conduct-arrests-sought

    Under an Ohio statute that allows private citizens to file criminal charges, a Haitian organization filed criminal charges against and seeks the arrests of Donald Trump and JD Vance for disrupting public services, making false alarms, and other offenses.

  86. 86.

    TBone

    September 24, 2024 at 2:42 pm

    @Matt McIrvin: that description is *chef’s kiss!

  87. 87.

    Baud

    September 24, 2024 at 2:43 pm

    @Matt McIrvin:

    Probably true, but also, shame on us because it’s true.

  88. 88.

    Trollhattan

    September 24, 2024 at 2:44 pm

    @TBone:

    My goodness, this must send the Susan Collins Furrow Gauge™ to Irrigation Ditch.

  89. 89.

    zhena gogolia

    September 24, 2024 at 2:45 pm

    @different-church-lady: Me either.

  90. 90.

    TBone

    September 24, 2024 at 2:45 pm

    @Matt McIrvin: I’m pretty sure they are on it – President Biden, while appearing on The View, is gonna stump for his VP unless I miss my guess.

  91. 91.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 24, 2024 at 2:46 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Sure, don’t vote for him in November.

  92. 92.

    TBone

    September 24, 2024 at 2:46 pm

    @Ishiyama: hallelujah!

  93. 93.

    TBone

    September 24, 2024 at 2:46 pm

    @Trollhattan: 😆

  94. 94.

    Matt McIrvin

    September 24, 2024 at 2:47 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): By and large, Biden has shown himself to be an adaptable leader who can learn from past mistakes, but I think his Middle East policy is one place where the old shows itself. Everything he’s done there is out of another generation, bog standard centrist Democratic policy of 30 years ago. And it doesn’t seem to be up for debate.

    I’m used to this being the bipartisan norm of US politics; what are you gonna do–but I’m an old guy too.

    Can Harris differentiate herself from that? Well, she’s not going to tell you before the election and I perfectly well understand why not.

  95. 95.

    Suzanne

    September 24, 2024 at 2:48 pm

    @Chris:

    But then, environmentalism is a suggestion that you should take good care of something that’s hierarchically “beneath” you.  Of course it drives them insane. 

    Care is an inherently feminine task/quality in this worldview. And, as such, is devalued. In some cases, to literally having no value.

  96. 96.

    Ishiyama

    September 24, 2024 at 2:50 pm

    @TBone: There are a few federal statutes that might be considered by a U.S. Grand Jury, too.

  97. 97.

    TBone

    September 24, 2024 at 2:51 pm

    @Suzanne: so very, very true and shamedly so.  It can be one of the most difficult jobs that exists.  We will change that stereotype that’s been entrenched by the patriarchy.

  98. 98.

    TBone

    September 24, 2024 at 2:51 pm

    @Ishiyama: AWESOME

    Because the prosecuting attorney has not yet acted to protect the community and hold Trump and Vance accountable for what they have instigated, Ms. Jozef asks the court to find probable cause based on the facts presented and issue arrest warrants for both Trump and Vance. The prosecuting attorney then must make a public decision about whether that office stands for the rule of law—or whether it will further coddle Trump and Vance with complete inaction.

    So that’s why they cancelled their visit to Springfield!

  99. 99.

    Matt McIrvin

    September 24, 2024 at 2:51 pm

    @Baud:

    Probably true, but also, shame on us because it’s true.

    Unreasonable to expect more of a human electorate.

  100. 100.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    September 24, 2024 at 2:53 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Agencies in his own administration have found that Israel is blocking humanitarian aid to Gaza. Israel is trying to start a war with Lebanon now. And yet he still steadfastly supports them. What if this costs us Michigan? Not to mention the horrifying loss of life

  101. 101.

    Baud

    September 24, 2024 at 2:54 pm

    @Matt McIrvin:

    It’s not a universal law that a winning campaign must be constantly fresh and exciting. It’s a function of the fact that half the electorate is unreachable and the fact that many who remain reachable demand constant stoking.

  102. 102.

    Matt McIrvin

    September 24, 2024 at 2:56 pm

    @Baud: Partly it’s that in our political system, national election campaigns are immensely long (and there’s no way to really change that without moving to something like a parliamentary system–it’s the game-theoretic equilibrium). We don’t have a 30-day snap campaign.

  103. 103.

    BR

    September 24, 2024 at 2:56 pm

    I’m looking forward to every thread not becoming about Biden’s Middle East policy. We live in a big country will a whole lot else going on. In my and the sooner we get a fresh Dem administration in there the better for everyone.

  104. 104.

    Matt McIrvin

    September 24, 2024 at 3:02 pm

    @Suzanne: There was a time when there were conservatives who thought of conservation as a piece of what they were for–I mean, it’s there in the name. Hunters and fishers are natural allies since what they love goes away if there’s no wilderness to do it in. But some kind of malign cultural alignment has erased all this.

  105. 105.

    Salty Sam

    September 24, 2024 at 3:03 pm

    @Suzanne:  You really can, as it turns out, tell a lot about people from how they treat those they don’t have to treat well… Same with how people treat waitstaff…

    My youngest brother is a staunch conservative, and though he is good with family and close friends, he has always considered dealings with service staff to be a dominance contest.  He has mellowed a bit as he has aged, but he always used to consider it a “win” if he could reduce a rental car agent or a hotel check-in staff to tears.

    Asshole.

  106. 106.

    Chris

    September 24, 2024 at 3:09 pm

    @Matt McIrvin:

    Teddy Roosevelt’s a fascinating study.  He’s a gender studies professor’s dream come true whose whole life was driven by a pathological need to overcome the memories of when he was a weak and sick kid.  A ton of that came out in exactly what we’d now recognize as right-wing ideology.  But then he also turned out a conservationist, a trust-buster, an anti-corruption crusader, an advocate for direct election of senators…

  107. 107.

    raven

    September 24, 2024 at 3:10 pm

    I once had to kill a badly injured possum with a shovel, it was rough.

  108. 108.

    SatanicPanic

    September 24, 2024 at 3:11 pm

    OH NO

    Vice President Kamala Harris’ vow to gut the Senate’s filibuster rule to pass a bill codifying abortion rights has cost her an endorsement from a leading Senate moderate: Joe Manchin.

    It’s telling that Dick Cheney will endorse her, but not this fucking guy.

  109. 109.

    Chris

    September 24, 2024 at 3:17 pm

    @SatanicPanic:

    Note that she’s not even promising to kill the filibuster, just remove it for this one particular instance (which is its own category of infuriating, but that’s another rant), but even that’s enough to prompt a non-endorsement.

    Because, let’s be honest, he was never going to endorse her, and if it wasn’t this pretext it would’ve been something else.

  110. 110.

    TBone

    September 24, 2024 at 3:18 pm

    @raven: 😔 it is cruel to be kind kind to be cruel sometimes.  It requires special fortitude.  I’m glad you’re on our team!

  111. 111.

    Matt McIrvin

    September 24, 2024 at 3:19 pm

    @Chris: The political boundaries sure were drawn differently in those days.

  112. 112.

    David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch

    September 24, 2024 at 3:21 pm

    murdering pets – it’s always projection with those people

  113. 113.

    Matt McIrvin

    September 24, 2024 at 3:22 pm

    @Salty Sam: I remember a lot of my dorm-mates in college thinking it was funny to trash the bathrooms in their own dormitory and leave it for the cleaning staff to clean up. I think to the extent they thought about it at all, they had some kind of childish attitude that getting one up on an adult was “punching up”, even though they weren’t little children any more.

  114. 114.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    September 24, 2024 at 3:26 pm

    @SatanicPanic:

    Sentor Coal Baron: “Shame on her!”

    Yeah, shame on her for trying to restore a fundamental right to half the population /s

  115. 115.

    JoyceH

    September 24, 2024 at 3:27 pm

    My dogs sometimes bark in the yard. If my neighbor killed one of them for barking, I’d be the one under arrest, because the neighbor would be “beyond mortal justice” as they say.

  116. 116.

    Ruckus

    September 24, 2024 at 3:27 pm

    @Suzanne:

    That shopping cart thing is one that really bugs me too. The market I most shop in has, right out the front door cart storage. It has marked off spaces in the middle of the parking areas to return carts to and still some people can not seem to grasp the concept of DON’T BE AN ASSHOLE TO THE REST OF US FOR NO REASON OTHER THAN YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE. AND LIKE IT. Some humans really seem to be unable to pocess any humanity whatsoever. It’s like they sold all they had for 89 cents one day. (If they didn’t want any humanity it’s likely that they couldn’t sell what little they had for much when they tried to get rid of it)

  117. 117.

    SatanicPanic

    September 24, 2024 at 3:27 pm

    @Chris: True. It’s so stupid how these senators value these lame traditions. Although I can see how in his case he thought it was valuable- it was just another way to prevent anything getting done.

  118. 118.

    mr perfect

    September 24, 2024 at 3:29 pm

    I don’t believe Roberts killed a pit bull.  It was most likely a poodle.  A pit bull vs Roberts with only a shovel,  the pit bull would eat him alive.

  119. 119.

    Chris

    September 24, 2024 at 3:29 pm

    @Matt McIrvin:

    Where this type of hypermasculine (dare one say “toxically masculine”) politics gets really intriguing is that if you go back a century to Teddy Roosevelt, the political boundaries are unrecognizable, but if you go back two centuries to Andrew Jackson, the political boundaries are perfectly familiar.

    (Andrew Jackson was the real thing that Trump only cosplays at being, but their politics line up damn near perfectly).

    It’s as though we’re going through cycles, they’re just really long cycles.

  120. 120.

    SatanicPanic

    September 24, 2024 at 3:30 pm

    @Ruckus: One time I saw a couple push their car up to the trunk of their Benz, put all the groceries in their trunk, and then pull out forward and drove away. They didn’t even bother moving the cart out of the way of the next person that might want to park there.

    That had to be a pair of the shittiest people the world has ever seen.

  121. 121.

    Other MJS

    September 24, 2024 at 3:30 pm

    C’mon, it’s not as if they ate those dogs.

  122. 122.

    Suzanne

    September 24, 2024 at 3:31 pm

    @Salty Sam:

    but he always used to consider it a “win” if he could reduce a rental car agent or a hotel check-in staff to tears 

    🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩

  123. 123.

    Ruckus

    September 24, 2024 at 3:32 pm

    @Matt McIrvin:

    even though they weren’t little children any more.

    Yes they are. Small, little children in adult bodies. Haven’t grown up to anywhere near adulthood. They may have aged into adulthood but grown into it? No way, no how. We likely all know or have met humans that qualify for this segment of humanity.

  124. 124.

    Harrison Wesley

    September 24, 2024 at 3:33 pm

    So many are outraged by the savage cruelties visited on household pets.  Yet somewhere a sofa is quietly weeping, and no one says a word.

  125. 125.

    Suzanne

    September 24, 2024 at 3:35 pm

    @Ruckus: The bushes-overhanging-the-sidewalk thing makes me C R A Z Y. I see disabled people, parents with strollers, people carrying groceries, etc. forced to walk in the street….. and these douchebags won’t keep the sidewalk clear. Pittsburgh sidewalks are already narrow, Phoenix sidewalks get overhung by spiky fucken plants.

  126. 126.

    Geminid

    September 24, 2024 at 3:36 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): The current war between Israel and Hezbollah was started by Hezbollah last October 8. Israel did not attack Hezbollah but Hezbollah decided to throw in with Hamas anyway.

    Lebanon’s government had no say in Hezbollah’s decision to start this war, and neither did the Lebanese people. They cannot force Hezbollah to comply with the UN Security Council mandate ordering it to withdraw its armed forces north of the Litani River. Hezbollah outguns the Lebanese Army, and its allies’ and own members in Parliament can paralyze Lebanon’s civil government.

    This Security Council resolution, No. 7601, ratified the ceasefire that ended the 2006 war between Israel and Hezbollah. Instead of obeying it, as of 2022 Hezbollah had imported over 125,000 rockets from Iran and staged many of them south of the Litani. That number is from Al Jazeera which is a fairly objective source, and other analysts agree with it. Hezbollah imported more and larger missiles since then. Again, the Lebanese government and people had no say in the matter.

    Hezbollah can end this war anytime they agree to stop shooting rockets at Israel and pull what’s left of their forces on the border back across the Litani River. That would in no way hurt the people of Lebanon, only help them.

    Iran had no right to drag Lebanon into its “Axis of Resistance.” That Iranian project has cost the region many times the misery and bloodshed caused by Israel. Many Westerners do not understand this because they only pay atrention to the region when Israel attacks someone. In effect, Arab blood is cheap when Israel isn’t the one shedding it.

  127. 127.

    Matt McIrvin

    September 24, 2024 at 3:36 pm

    @Chris: One difference between Jackson and Trump is that Jackson, for all his genocidal racism and general crankiness, does seem to have been genuinely big on the expansion of (white male) democracy, and Trump clearly does not give a shit about it except to the extent he can imagine the people are on his side and complain that someone cheated when they’re not.

  128. 128.

    K-Mo

    September 24, 2024 at 3:37 pm

    Another reminder that these people are the heroes of their own stories, no matter how nefarious they are in the global telling.

  129. 129.

    japa21

    September 24, 2024 at 3:40 pm

    @RevRick: ​
      You beat me to that point. Dominion does not mean domination. I am not an expert in ancient Hebrew, but I believe the word used for dominion implies, as you say stewardship and guardianship. God gave man dominion over his creation to be caretakers of it, not to do whatever the heck they wanted.

    It’s the same misunderstanding they have when you bring up Christ’s preaching of taking care of others and why the government should be involved in so many things. They say Christ was talking about individuals and not the government. In fact, Christ was merely extending the Old Testament, which did talk about the responsibilities of rulers to take care of the unfortunate, to the individual. It wasn’t an either or proposition. It was the responsibility of both government and individuals.

  130. 130.

    Steve LaBonne

    September 24, 2024 at 3:41 pm

    @Harrison Wesley: Stop sectional abuse!

  131. 131.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 24, 2024 at 3:42 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):  I am not really sure what you want me to say.  Biden is no longer running.

  132. 132.

    Salty Sam

    September 24, 2024 at 3:42 pm

    @Suzanne: 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩

    Red flags?  For what condition?

    I did call him an asshole.  He is my (adopted) brother and he has some very admirable traits for which I love him.  But he also has an asshole side, very much a toxic dominance thing that I find absolutely deplorable.  I will not excuse or condone it.

  133. 133.

    Steve LaBonne

    September 24, 2024 at 3:43 pm

    @mr perfect: Pitties who haven’t been abused in their “training” are gentle, affectionate dogs.

  134. 134.

    The Pale Scot

    September 24, 2024 at 3:45 pm

    @Suzanne:

    The bushes-overhanging-the-sidewalk thing

    A little Glyphosate will clean that right up

  135. 135.

    Capri

    September 24, 2024 at 3:51 pm

    @Matt McIrvin:   I agree.  Folks in the country understand that those pork chops and steaks don’t magically appear in the grocery store out of the air.

    Something I find interesting is that people become less and less concerned about animal welfare the further the food in question is from the source.  There is a lot of concern about the welfare of milk cows when buying a gallon of milk, absolutely no thougth of it when buying a carton of yougurt.

    In the rural areas I’ve been to,  when dogs killing livestock are a problem the mantra is: “Shoot, shovel, and shut up.”

  136. 136.

    japa21

    September 24, 2024 at 3:51 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:  Yep, I’m not going to vote for him in November either.  Plus I don’t like his Ukraine policy.

    In all seriousness, I was at a semi-family reunion a few weeks ago.  Two Republicans and 16 good people.  Actually, neither of the Republicans would even come close to considering Trump and both will vote for Harris.  Also, they married into the family.

    Anyway, my older brother and I were discussing Biden and events leading to his dropping out and how we viewed his Presidency.  We disagreed on one thing; I felt Biden could still have won and he didn’t.  We did agree that on the whole, his Presidency was remarkably good with only two blemishes, Ukraine and the Middle East.

  137. 137.

    Ruckus

    September 24, 2024 at 3:52 pm

    @SatanicPanic:

    Naw, not the shittiest. Shitty, sure I mean having zero concern for the rest of us is shitty. But there are others that make them seem not bad at all. The last ship’s captain I had in the USN was a prime example of the breed. Pompous, arrogant, seemingly dumb as a box of rocks (he wasn’t, he just worked hard at making you think so) He’d wanted an assignment to the Pentagon but no one above him wanted him within thousands of miles of the place. I got assigned to this ship after hospital and temp duty, for my last 5 months of USN life. He should have been perp walked off the back end of a ship in the middle of an ocean, Pacific or Atlantic, just for being himself. When one was discharged from the USN one had to get every officer above themselves, up to second in command to sign their discharge paper. When I was given a surprise 5 month early discharge I had to do this and got to the second in command who gave me crap for getting out early. I stood there for a moment – with my signed paper – and had to listen to him berate me. I composed a rebuttal that could not be used against me but that told him how compete an ass he and his boss were and that not having to serve under them any longer was a life bonus that I would remember to my last day. That was over 50 yrs ago. Remember it like it was yesterday. Absolute best day in the USN. And I got to see a lot of the world that I otherwise would never see. At the end of the day I can’t say it was a good time but it did have moments.

  138. 138.

    geg6

    September 24, 2024 at 4:02 pm

    @Salty Sam: ​
     
    Well, I can tell you for sure, he’s eaten or drunk a lot of spit (or worse) if he’s pulled that shit in restaurant or bar. Sorry to tell him, the servers in such a situation have power that not even their bosses know.

  139. 139.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    September 24, 2024 at 4:07 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    What difference does it make whether he’s still running or not? He’s still the President and still making decisions on foreign policy towards I/P.

    You could criticize Biden and his administration for actual failure of policy

  140. 140.

    Chacal Charles Calthrop

    September 24, 2024 at 4:17 pm

    @Chris: that’s both interesting & really scary

  141. 141.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 24, 2024 at 4:24 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): I could, but I don’t see how that helps anything.  What would you like me to say and how would my saying it change anything?  Harris remains the better choice even for those who prioritize Gaza over everything else.  As Biden would have been.

  142. 142.

    cain

    September 24, 2024 at 4:25 pm

    @Geminid: Excellent point. Thanks for pointing this out.

    I was telling my brother that Israel had every right to strike against them because they are a goddam terrorist organization. It is nothing like Gaza.

    I’m not big on them using C4 in pagers and killing innocent Lebanese people though but that’s the play Hezbollah decided. I’m not sure how the Lebanese people are going to deal with this, but I feel bad for them.

  143. 143.

    AWOL

    September 24, 2024 at 4:48 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Horrifically. Guess what?—don’t vote for him. //

  144. 144.

    AWOL

    September 24, 2024 at 4:51 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Again, I encourage you not to vote for him. There’s this intriguing candidate named Kamala Harris. Perhaps you may want to look into her? //

  145. 145.

    Geminid

    September 24, 2024 at 5:10 pm

    @cain: I have mixed feelings about those pager attacks because I do not consider Hezbollah in the way I do Hamas. Hezbollah may be a drug-running mafia that helps keep Lebanon a chaotic and dysfunctional nation, but I do not believe they would descend to the vicious level Hamas did on October 7.

    But Hezbollah certainly caused more than its share of bloodshed and misery while fighting for Assad in Syria, and Palestinians hold them responsible for the deaths of many thousands of their brethren in Syria. After Hezbollah announced the names of leaders killed in Israel’s airstrike in Beirut last Thursday, I saw some Palestinians on social media pause their denunciations of Israeli brutality long enough to celebrate the deaths. 

    One of those leaders, Ibrahim Aqil, helped execute the 1983 Marine Corps barracks bombing that killed 240 American servicemen. So did Fuad Shukr who Israel killed last month. Back then, they and Iran used this “success” to unite various resistance groups under the banner of Hezbollah. So as far as I’m concerned those two guys got what was coming to them. I’m not so sure about the rest.

  146. 146.

    sab

    September 24, 2024 at 5:25 pm

    @Steve LaBonne:  My 60 pound pitbull lets a couple of 10 pound cats smack her around when she gets too lively.

  147. 147.

    zhena gogolia

    September 24, 2024 at 5:35 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: This seems to be impossible to grasp for a lot of people.

  148. 148.

    Ruckus

    September 24, 2024 at 5:44 pm

    @japa21:

    Humans often have 2 concepts of government.

    1. It is there to screw everyone out of every possible penny.

    2. Why doesn’t government do what I want?

    Most people do have a difficult time understanding that we are a free nation that has in many cases fewer to far fewer roadblocks than what many did when this one was formed. Which is why it was a lot different than many (most?) nations of the time. Then it was small and racism was tolerated for most people with the right/light shade of skin. But that was not freedom. That was racism, pure and simple. Racism does not fit within the concept and meaning of what the founding principles state. That ALL of us are equal. That’s what the paper states. Everything else is bullshit. Racism, sexism are a billion percent wrong. They weren’t before the paper was signed. They should have been from day fucking one. Fifty plus years ago it pissed me off that I could get drafted to fight for this country when we had racism and sexism run rampant. We were supposed to be better than that. Yes we are getting there, and no we are not all the way there yet. Over 200 yrs and we aren’t there. Humanity can be shit when it wants to. Now I have to say that when I was in the USN over 1/2 a century ago they had made a pretty good attempt at upholding that concept. I did see once at Long Beach Navy Station 2 low rated enlisted men make rather inappropriate passes at 2 women who out ranked them as they were walking by. I heard in my time in the USN, people getting read the riot act, but those 2 woman did the best job I’ve heard in my entire life. Those 2 were lucky that was the end of this, because it could have cost them a lot more. Many learn this type of thing because they have a mistaken concept that they are not equal, they are above whatever it is that they don’t like or what they want, which this instance was.

    We have limits to our freedom and one of those limits is that we can’t take away freedom from others.

  149. 149.

    prostratedragon

    September 24, 2024 at 5:49 pm

    @different-church-lady:  The most alarming thing about that. And in the euphoria and understandable relief over VP Harris’s momentum, I don’t think the lesson has sunk in where it needs to. Something to watch going forward.

  150. 150.

    Ruckus

    September 24, 2024 at 5:57 pm

    @japa21:

    As someone not all that far behind Joe Biden or even shitforbrains age I believe that as good a human as Joe Biden is, he made a very positive and really good choice not to run again. He is a very good man and if it was him or shitforbrains I would vote for him in a heartbeat. But we all age out of work, no matter what that work is. It may be a different age for each of us but if we get old we either don’t want to or can’t actually pull our weight at a job. And being president is a rather important job. To say the least. I give Joe Biden credit galore because he sees this. And shitforbrains does not see anything, other than the inside of his own ass. If you think the outside is bad, imagine what the inside is like. (You might want to have a barf bag handy if you do….)

  151. 151.

    StringOnAStick

    September 24, 2024 at 7:17 pm

    @SatanicPanic: I watched a thin blonde with way too much filler and obvious plastic surgery push her cart 6′ out of the fancy grocery store, pull her bag out and leave the cart in the way of everyone else exiting the store.  The cart rack was 3′ to her left but she couldn’t be bothered.  I watched her get into her Tesla and block the exit until she could leave the parking lot.  Truly an example of remarkable entitlement.

  152. 152.

    Quinerly

    September 24, 2024 at 9:08 pm

    Glad to see this get front page treatment.

    First thing I read at 5:30 AM.

    We used to have a commenter from Las Cruces, NM. Sure hope he pops in.

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