The feds have been circling this guy like vultures over messy roadkill, so no surprise there. Sigh. Maybe someday New York will be able to elect public officials who aren’t some level of weasel, groper, gangster, crook, or just complete charlatan/grifter (looking at you, George Santos).
Unrelated but the misinformation campaign trying to link the Puff Daddy stuff to Kamala and her surrogates on social media is intense. So many fake images being circulated
Reporting is that it’s related to foreign influence peddling, this time by the Turkish government. Shades of the same shit Menendez was caught up in in NJ with the Egyptians. Bribes, kickbacks, laundered campaign contributions in return for doing favors for, steering contracts to, etc., firms connected to said foreign government.
@la caterina: We’d have the very progressive Public Advocate, Jumaane Williams, as acting mayor.
NY Post already freaking out about prospect of Black Che Guevara becoming acting mayor. Or is it Black Stalin? Hard to keep track. Anyway, he’s definitely going to fire the entire NYPD and replace them with Black Panthers, or maybe even illegal migrants, or so their sources in the NYPD are saying.
@Kent: Well, when you run a city with a population larger than 38 of the 50 US states, that’s by definition a pretty prominent position nationally. The problem is that to become a visible politician in that big of a city, you’ve had to climb your way up through a vast and byzantine political patronage system clogged with so many moneyed special interests that it rarely leaves anyone clean by the time they reach the top.
Off the three Dem finalists running for NYC mayor, Adams was bottom of my choice. There was even then suspicious crapola going on, including his residency. And wasn’t there questions and suspicions about his ethics as police whatever position he had?
WHY does NYC consistently elect mayors who have questionable histories?
@MikefromArlington: So Combs was just a pawn in this vast sex trafficking/pornography and witness intimidation scheme, eh? The real puppet master was Kamala Harris all along?
Political Action Committees need to run with this:
-it demotivates GOP voters
-it will make Trump even more angry by shifting focus away from him & calling his own attention to mortality
-it’s a great narrative frame for myriad Vance awkward, Trump physically weak, GOP talks ageist content
This morning, they texted me. They apparently thought about this all night and decided I was probably right.
Here’s the thing. They really don’t like Vance. I mean, who could, right? So this stuck in their craw. Now they’re talking about just not voting at all.
@Jackie: Adams emerged as the Democratic candidate from a new ranked choice primary that was introduced to solve the problem that —
that —
that — Well, any way, he won a run-off over Kathryn Garcia by less than a percentage point.
@prostratedragon: Ranked choice is more fair, especially when Republicans have next to zero chance of winning and it’s all going to be the primary anyway. There’s nothing wrong with the set up.
And Adams ran on an anti-crime platform at a time when people were freaking out about crime. Lead to the narrowest of victories.
@prostratedragon: Under the old system, Eric Adams would have faced Kathy Garcia in a runoff because he did not exceed 40% in the primary. Although, if the 2021 primary hadn’t been ranked-choice there might have been fewer candidates and Adams’ total would have been higher than the 32(?) per cent he got in 2021.
They stay home. Off-cycle election turnout is abysmal. Eric Adams won with 753,801 votes in a city with 5.6 million registered voters at the time. We had 20.5% turnout when he won. Turnout was awful this week too.
The last fun mayor we had in NYC was back in 1965 with John Lindsay (a liberal Republican) who once said that he was very uncomfortable in the country, breathing air he couldn’t see. His opponent was the very conservative National Review editor William F Buckley who was asked what he would do in the very unlikely event that he won. He said he’d demand a recount.
@jonas: I’ve got this Spy vs. Spy thing going on in my head. Robert Menendez was very pro-Greece, and in his role as Foreign Relations Chairman he was a real thorn in Turkiye’s side, I’d like to think Turkiye torpedoed Menendez with information the Qataris gave them. Qatar was one of the countries that bribed Menendez, and the Qataris and Turks are thick as thieves.
So then the Greeks retaliated by finding the dirt on Adams and Turkiye. Maybe the two pols will end up in prison together and they can compare notes.
And President Erdogan and Prime Minister Mitzotakis might have a good laugh at these Yankee politicians next time they meet.
further to last thread, totally agree that Forrest Gump “beating” Pulp Fiction in 1994 was fucked up. Same with Cole’s comment re Goodfellas and that Costner Wolves thing.
That said, I hate all Oscars and similar Hollywood awards bullshit because they are, in fact, meaningless bullshit.
I’m always impressed that democrats accept they have some bad uns in their midst. If he was a republican he would be nominated as President while the hordes screamed it was a political witch hunt
Non-NYers truly don’t get how fluky Adams’ election was. He ran in a field of 13 primary candidates, the only known one of which was Andrew Yang. Carryover publicity from Yang’s presidential campaign gave him the early poll lead, the result of which was that press coverage concentrated almost entirely on him. That coverage was unflattering enough that Yang’s numbers dipped. But it still left voters fully in the dark about pretty much all the other candidates. I put Kathryn Garcia first on my ballot, solely based on the endorsement from the Times. I mean, I checked her positions/resume, she was fine -– but the only reason I went with her over multiple others was that Times endorsement. Millions of voters went into the election flying equally blind.
As noted: this was NY’s first shot at IRV. IRV is a great system for general elections, where 3rd party candidates can frustrate the ideological will of majorities. ME had twice elected right-wing Paul LePage governor because a small leftist party kept draining off votes from the Dem candidate. Once IRV was introduced, the Dem won. Clearly a good use of the method.
But I see no value for it in a field of 13 unknowns. We were asked to list as many of them as we chose, in order of preference. And that Primary Day was our last shot at the matter. Whoever emerged on top -– after the lowest scoring candidates were eliminated, one-by-one — was the Dem nominee for Mayor (presumptive Mayor-elect, given the Republicans had nominated unserious Curtis Sliwa). The previous system would have let the two top-scoring contenders compete in a runoff –- preceding which, voters WOULD have had a good chance to get to know about each candidate’s profile. Adams apparently achieved his less-than-1% margin through a coalition of black voters, cops (Adams being a former one), and re-registered Republicans. That’s a coalition that was bound to falter at some point -– it might have done so between primary and runoff. But, here, it only had to get him through one day.
So, for all those wondering how NYers could make such a dumb choice…they didn’t, at least not directly. The system failed the voters, not the other way around.
Adams was certain to get a serious primary challenge next year, as it was. Now it’s questionable if he’ll get that far. No tears from me on that score.
@NotMax: I like the house, itself. The inside of it, anyway.
The outdoor shots look like a completely different place. Bette;s teenage IRL daughter plays the teen who lives next door. Not sure why that makes me laugh
@eemom: Nice to see you again. And I dunno where you are, east coast I guess, but I remember talking to a friend in DC, and she couldn’t get over Mationberry jam.From the PNW. She was def. a Democrat always. .
Any takers on whether Adams or Giuliani gets sent up the river first?
(‘Cause while Adams may be the first sitting NYC mayor to be indicted, I get a feeling that when ranking corrupt NYC mayors, he might not even make it to the podium.)
@Tom Q: IRV beats first past the post in almost all situations. The only issue with the NYC system is that there’s only one election, and with a lot of candidates, yes, it’s hard to make informed choices. But a single first past the post in the same situation would be catastrophic – a wingnut Republican could win NYC, if he were the only one running.
Best system I’ve seen in practice is Alaska’s system of the top four in the primary competing with IRV in the general. People can vote meaningfully for third parties, no spoilers, and no stealth candidates.
@Jackie: NYC created and amplified Trump and brought him to national attention. My liberal intellectual NYC friends hate it when I say this but the biggest voting block in NYC is not them, or people you might see on Friends and Seinfeld. It’s rich people and petty bourgeois small business owners and cops and firefighters. There’s a reason the whole state seems to lurch further right than it should — not Republican but right wing Dems like Hochul and Cuomo jr. You know how we always say Texas is poised to shock us by flipping blue? The first shocker from our side, in my view, will be NY.
You know, I think Bill de Blasio gets a bit of a bad rap. When you look at what he actually got done, he was probably a better mayor than most people give him credit for. He made pre-K free for every 4-year-old in the city, which is huge for working families. He also built or saved over 200,000 affordable homes, which is no small feat in a place like New York. And remember how controversial stop-and-frisk was? De Blasio actually managed to scale that back while also introducing body cameras for cops. Oh, and let’s not forget he got the city through the worst of COVID, which was a nightmare for every mayor. Sure, he wasn’t perfect, but when you add it all up, de Blasio made some real positive changes for New Yorkers.
@Jackie: I don’t think that this situation is unique to New York City. NYC, being by far the biggest city, is just more visible nationwide. For example, back in the Stone Age, I lived in Philadelphia when Frank Rizzo (another former cop) was mayor.
@Princess: Yes. Right-wing talk radio (as exemplified by Rush Limbaugh and all the ones that came after him) originated in New York City. And then there’s the New York Post.
The man is my mayor, not my choice, and a looney toon. He barely got the majority by 1% even after RCV… and proceeded to act like he won with a huge outright majority.
He’s been horrible for everyone who is not on his or the police payroll, and thank god he’s finally going to be gone.
@Ken: I’m not so sure about that. If Trump dropped dead or became incapacitated in October, his cult members would transfer their allegiance to Vance or to whoever else was anointed. Trump the man is not the root cause of the problem. The root cause of the problem is a large percentage of the American population.
Humans – can’t live with them, can’t live without them.
Someone once said it takes all kinds. IMO it really doesn’t, it’s just that all kinds exist. All levels, sizes, all views, all knowing, not knowing at all, etc, etc.
Your point is reality always rears it’s ugly head. And it’s not just a large portion of the American population, it’s a large part of any large population.
@Tom Q:ME had twice elected right-wing Paul LePage governor because a small leftist party kept draining off votes from the Dem candidate.
The first time it was the Democratic candidate that stopped the Independent from winning. Cutler got about 2x the vote of Libby Mitchell, but lost by ~1/10th of Mitchell’s vote
Trivia Man
Drain the swamp , no matter who
eemom
Move over, Ghost of Marion Barry!
#Iamolderthandirt
la caterina
If only he would resign. We’d have the very progressive Public Advocate, Jumaane Williams, as acting mayor.
jonas
The feds have been circling this guy like vultures over messy roadkill, so no surprise there. Sigh. Maybe someday New York will be able to elect public officials who aren’t some level of weasel, groper, gangster, crook, or just complete charlatan/grifter (looking at you, George Santos).
MikefromArlington
Unrelated but the misinformation campaign trying to link the Puff Daddy stuff to Kamala and her surrogates on social media is intense. So many fake images being circulated
pacem appellant
I’m way out here on the west coast where I can barely follow L.A. and S.F. politics. What did Adams do?
jonas
Reporting is that it’s related to foreign influence peddling, this time by the Turkish government. Shades of the same shit Menendez was caught up in in NJ with the Egyptians. Bribes, kickbacks, laundered campaign contributions in return for doing favors for, steering contracts to, etc., firms connected to said foreign government.
Lily
So much corruption.
strange visitor (from another planet)
good. mayor cop was just fucking terrible at his job.
jonas
NY Post already freaking out about prospect of Black Che Guevara becoming acting mayor. Or is it Black Stalin? Hard to keep track. Anyway, he’s definitely going to fire the entire NYPD and replace them with Black Panthers, or maybe even illegal migrants, or so their sources in the NYPD are saying.
Kent
I think this celebrity mayor thing is mostly a NYC affection.
I don’t think 25% of the people in my city could even name who the mayor is.
Geoduck
@pacem appellant: Pretty much everything, it sounds like.
Villago Delenda Est
@jonas:
Fuck the embarrassment to Alexander Hamilton and the reactionary douchewaffle that owns it.
jonas
@Kent: Well, when you run a city with a population larger than 38 of the 50 US states, that’s by definition a pretty prominent position nationally. The problem is that to become a visible politician in that big of a city, you’ve had to climb your way up through a vast and byzantine political patronage system clogged with so many moneyed special interests that it rarely leaves anyone clean by the time they reach the top.
Jackie
Off the three Dem finalists running for NYC mayor, Adams was bottom of my choice. There was even then suspicious crapola going on, including his residency. And wasn’t there questions and suspicions about his ethics as police whatever position he had?
WHY does NYC consistently elect mayors who have questionable histories?
rikyrah
Can’t wait to read it
And whatever Jack Smith is going to file tomorrow
jonas
@MikefromArlington: So Combs was just a pawn in this vast sex trafficking/pornography and witness intimidation scheme, eh? The real puppet master was Kamala Harris all along?
It all makes sense now.
BR
It’s the pictures I linked earlier:
https://bsky.app/profile/polyparadigm.bsky.social/post/3l4zrxlup4u2d
prostratedragon
@Jackie: Adams emerged as the Democratic candidate from a new ranked choice primary that was introduced to solve the problem that —
that —
that — Well, any way, he won a run-off over Kathryn Garcia by less than a percentage point.
Eolirin
@prostratedragon: Ranked choice is more fair, especially when Republicans have next to zero chance of winning and it’s all going to be the primary anyway. There’s nothing wrong with the set up.
And Adams ran on an anti-crime platform at a time when people were freaking out about crime. Lead to the narrowest of victories.
Westyny
@jonas: We should be so lucky.
Geminid
@prostratedragon: Under the old system, Eric Adams would have faced Kathy Garcia in a runoff because he did not exceed 40% in the primary. Although, if the 2021 primary hadn’t been ranked-choice there might have been fewer candidates and Adams’ total would have been higher than the 32(?) per cent he got in 2021.
prostratedragon
Question:
Answer:
Vote this November!
columbusqueen
@Jackie: Because it is NYC?
karen marie
@eemom: At least Marion Barry was fun at parties. Eric Adams has a stick so far up his ass it hits the top of his skull.
Jay
@karen marie:
Did he bring enough cocaine for everyone?
karen marie
@BR: Sign in required.
Pete Downunder
The last fun mayor we had in NYC was back in 1965 with John Lindsay (a liberal Republican) who once said that he was very uncomfortable in the country, breathing air he couldn’t see. His opponent was the very conservative National Review editor William F Buckley who was asked what he would do in the very unlikely event that he won. He said he’d demand a recount.
karen marie
@Jay: Probably!
Geminid
@jonas: I’ve got this Spy vs. Spy thing going on in my head. Robert Menendez was very pro-Greece, and in his role as Foreign Relations Chairman he was a real thorn in Turkiye’s side, I’d like to think Turkiye torpedoed Menendez with information the Qataris gave them. Qatar was one of the countries that bribed Menendez, and the Qataris and Turks are thick as thieves.
So then the Greeks retaliated by finding the dirt on Adams and Turkiye. Maybe the two pols will end up in prison together and they can compare notes.
And President Erdogan and Prime Minister Mitzotakis might have a good laugh at these Yankee politicians next time they meet.
like a metaphor
What Ever Happened To Baby Jane? is about to start on TCM.
eclare
@eemom:
Hey you! Good to see you.
eclare
@Kent:
That is a good question. I had to think for a minute before I named mine.
BR
@karen marie:
Maybe this one works?
https://bsky.app/profile/the-jaguarr.bsky.social/post/3l4yew2uacs2j
eclare
@like a metaphor:
Ooohh! Creepy. I don’t get TCM, damn.
Mr. Bemused Senior
@BR: much better (& ugh!)
SatanicPanic
Good grief. Why is NY like this?
NotMax
@like a metaphor
People focus on Crawford and Davis but rarely comment on Victor Buono’s role as an unctuous greedy slimeball.
TBone
A semi-recent history lesson based in NYC.
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/wall-street-crime-and-punishment-the-mafia-micro-cap-market-and-the-largest-securities-fraud-takedown-in-history-1030729849?op=1
karen marie
@BR: Thanks!
Your point is well taken. I hope your family member doesn’t change their mind.
eemom
@eclare:
back atcha!
further to last thread, totally agree that Forrest Gump “beating” Pulp Fiction in 1994 was fucked up. Same with Cole’s comment re Goodfellas and that Costner Wolves thing.
That said, I hate all Oscars and similar Hollywood awards bullshit because they are, in fact, meaningless bullshit.
HumboldtBlue
@SatanicPanic:
The LOL Mets!
NotMax
@SatanicPanic
At least Jimmy Walker could sing and dance.
//
TS
I’m always impressed that democrats accept they have some bad uns in their midst. If he was a republican he would be nominated as President while the hordes screamed it was a political witch hunt
like a metaphor
@NotMax: wait- what part did he play?
NotMax
@
He was NYC mayor in the rollicking Jazz Age, forced to resign. amidst scandal
“Gentleman Jimmy” from Fiorello!.
NotMax
Fixy fix. for #46
@like a metaphor
He was NYC mayor in the rollicking Jazz Age, forced to resign amidst scandal
“Gentleman Jimmy” from Fiorello!
eclare
@eemom:
QFT.
Tom Q
Non-NYers truly don’t get how fluky Adams’ election was. He ran in a field of 13 primary candidates, the only known one of which was Andrew Yang. Carryover publicity from Yang’s presidential campaign gave him the early poll lead, the result of which was that press coverage concentrated almost entirely on him. That coverage was unflattering enough that Yang’s numbers dipped. But it still left voters fully in the dark about pretty much all the other candidates. I put Kathryn Garcia first on my ballot, solely based on the endorsement from the Times. I mean, I checked her positions/resume, she was fine -– but the only reason I went with her over multiple others was that Times endorsement. Millions of voters went into the election flying equally blind.
As noted: this was NY’s first shot at IRV. IRV is a great system for general elections, where 3rd party candidates can frustrate the ideological will of majorities. ME had twice elected right-wing Paul LePage governor because a small leftist party kept draining off votes from the Dem candidate. Once IRV was introduced, the Dem won. Clearly a good use of the method.
But I see no value for it in a field of 13 unknowns. We were asked to list as many of them as we chose, in order of preference. And that Primary Day was our last shot at the matter. Whoever emerged on top -– after the lowest scoring candidates were eliminated, one-by-one — was the Dem nominee for Mayor (presumptive Mayor-elect, given the Republicans had nominated unserious Curtis Sliwa). The previous system would have let the two top-scoring contenders compete in a runoff –- preceding which, voters WOULD have had a good chance to get to know about each candidate’s profile. Adams apparently achieved his less-than-1% margin through a coalition of black voters, cops (Adams being a former one), and re-registered Republicans. That’s a coalition that was bound to falter at some point -– it might have done so between primary and runoff. But, here, it only had to get him through one day.
So, for all those wondering how NYers could make such a dumb choice…they didn’t, at least not directly. The system failed the voters, not the other way around.
Adams was certain to get a serious primary challenge next year, as it was. Now it’s questionable if he’ll get that far. No tears from me on that score.
like a metaphor
@NotMax: I like the house, itself. The inside of it, anyway.
The outdoor shots look like a completely different place. Bette;s teenage IRL daughter plays the teen who lives next door. Not sure why that makes me laugh
e
SectionH
@eemom: Nice to see you again. And I dunno where you are, east coast I guess, but I remember talking to a friend in DC, and she couldn’t get over Mationberry jam.From the PNW. She was def. a Democrat always. .
NotMax
Speaking of movies, thing I recently learned.
Frank Sinatra was the studio’s fist choice to play the role which eventually went to Brando in On the Waterfront.
Bruce K in ATH-GR
Any takers on whether Adams or Giuliani gets sent up the river first?
(‘Cause while Adams may be the first sitting NYC mayor to be indicted, I get a feeling that when ranking corrupt NYC mayors, he might not even make it to the podium.)
NotMax
#52
fist = first
Sister Golden Bear
Pizza Rat: Tell Eric, I want him to know it was me.
Jay
@Sister Golden Bear:
You win the internets.
Fair Economist
@Tom Q: IRV beats first past the post in almost all situations. The only issue with the NYC system is that there’s only one election, and with a lot of candidates, yes, it’s hard to make informed choices. But a single first past the post in the same situation would be catastrophic – a wingnut Republican could win NYC, if he were the only one running.
Best system I’ve seen in practice is Alaska’s system of the top four in the primary competing with IRV in the general. People can vote meaningfully for third parties, no spoilers, and no stealth candidates.
Enzymer
Ha ha ha ha! Hizonner the most obviously corrupt mayor in my 70 years. And an ex-NYPD cop who didn’t even live in-state. Hahahahaha!
Geminid
@Tom Q: What do you think of state Senator Jessica Ramos of Queens? She threw her hat in the ring a couple weekends ago.
EngineerScotty
@TS: Well, Charlie Kirk accused Democrats of engaging in a witch hunt… for indicting a Democrat.
That should tell you all you need to know.
Baud
Thanks, Garland. ;-)
lowtechcyclist
@eemom:
At least Eric Adams didn’t get anywhere near being called “Mayor-for-life” Adams!
Princess
@Jackie: NYC created and amplified Trump and brought him to national attention. My liberal intellectual NYC friends hate it when I say this but the biggest voting block in NYC is not them, or people you might see on Friends and Seinfeld. It’s rich people and petty bourgeois small business owners and cops and firefighters. There’s a reason the whole state seems to lurch further right than it should — not Republican but right wing Dems like Hochul and Cuomo jr. You know how we always say Texas is poised to shock us by flipping blue? The first shocker from our side, in my view, will be NY.
EM
You know, I think Bill de Blasio gets a bit of a bad rap. When you look at what he actually got done, he was probably a better mayor than most people give him credit for. He made pre-K free for every 4-year-old in the city, which is huge for working families. He also built or saved over 200,000 affordable homes, which is no small feat in a place like New York. And remember how controversial stop-and-frisk was? De Blasio actually managed to scale that back while also introducing body cameras for cops. Oh, and let’s not forget he got the city through the worst of COVID, which was a nightmare for every mayor. Sure, he wasn’t perfect, but when you add it all up, de Blasio made some real positive changes for New Yorkers.
Betty
@Eolirin: Yes, the media was harping constantly on crime and suggesting a cop could fix it, but it was also obvious that he was a buffoon.
Ken
@BR: Of course I would never wish ill on anyone, but Trump having some sort of health crisis in October would cement the election for Harris.
Tony G
@Jackie: I don’t think that this situation is unique to New York City. NYC, being by far the biggest city, is just more visible nationwide. For example, back in the Stone Age, I lived in Philadelphia when Frank Rizzo (another former cop) was mayor.
PaulWartenberg
just to note, the TNC Horde are giddy as schoolchildren. ;-)
What the hell is this “Table of success” meme I keep running into…?
Tony G
@Princess: Yes. Right-wing talk radio (as exemplified by Rush Limbaugh and all the ones that came after him) originated in New York City. And then there’s the New York Post.
Ken
Popehat’s take: “MAGA torn between glee at a Democrat being charged and horror at a cop being held accountable”.
NotMax
@Tony G
Rizzo was an uncultured thug.
@Tony G
So old can remember when the NY Post was excoriated as a “leftist rag.”
Then came Murdoch.
Paul W.
The man is my mayor, not my choice, and a looney toon. He barely got the majority by 1% even after RCV… and proceeded to act like he won with a huge outright majority.
He’s been horrible for everyone who is not on his or the police payroll, and thank god he’s finally going to be gone.
Another Scott
@PaulWartenberg: Made me look…
TableOfSuccess.HellgateNYC.com:
Feeding the meme monster often doesn’t end well, Eric…
(Interesting site.)
Cheers,
Scott.
Tony G
@Ken: I’m not so sure about that. If Trump dropped dead or became incapacitated in October, his cult members would transfer their allegiance to Vance or to whoever else was anointed. Trump the man is not the root cause of the problem. The root cause of the problem is a large percentage of the American population.
Kosh III
@NotMax: IIRC Bob Hope did an excellent job portraying him in the movie Beau james.
Ruckus
@Tony G:
Humans – can’t live with them, can’t live without them.
Someone once said it takes all kinds. IMO it really doesn’t, it’s just that all kinds exist. All levels, sizes, all views, all knowing, not knowing at all, etc, etc.
Your point is reality always rears it’s ugly head. And it’s not just a large portion of the American population, it’s a large part of any large population.
ETtheLibrarian
I guess we know why he wanted to be mayor
billcinsd
@Tom Q:ME had twice elected right-wing Paul LePage governor because a small leftist party kept draining off votes from the Dem candidate.
The first time it was the Democratic candidate that stopped the Independent from winning. Cutler got about 2x the vote of Libby Mitchell, but lost by ~1/10th of Mitchell’s vote