Update: Filed under seal at 4:40 Eastern time. So no news, sort of.
How much of the brief will we get to see? It’s anybody’s guess.
When will we find out how much we get to see? I think it’s anybody’s guess.
When will we finally get to see whatever we are allowed to see? It’s anybody’s guess.
Special counsel files evidence under seal against Trump in election subversion case (CNN)
h/t Scout211
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Filings from special counsel Jack Smith laying out never-before-seen evidence in the election subversion case against Donald Trump – including interview transcripts and notes from an investigation that counted among its witnesses former Vice President Mike Pence, Ivanka Trump and former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows – are now in the hands of a federal court.It will now be up to District Judge Tanya Chutkan to determine how much of that evidence the public gets to see and when they will be able to see it.
Prosecutors filed the documents under seal as of 4:40 p.m. ET, according to Peter Carr, the special counsel office’s spokesman.The court submissions could eventually provide Americans with the most comprehensive view they’ll ever get of Smith’s case alleging that Trump conspired to defraud the United States in his efforts to overturn his 2020 electoral loss.
The filings are expected to include grand jury transcripts, the FBI’s formal notes from witness interviews and documentary evidence, as part of an effort by prosecutors to argue that their reworked indictment can survive under the Supreme Court’s recent presidential immunity ruling.
The Supreme Court ruling has required the prosecutors to convince Chutkan – and likely, higher courts – that Trump was not acting in his official capacity when he and his supporters took various actions, culminating in the January 6, 2021, attack on the US Capitol, to stave off his 2020 defeat.
It is likely the filings will dig into Trump’s pressure campaign on Pence – conduct that the Supreme Court indicated might be covered under immunity. The brief is also likely to lay out what investigators have learned about the circumstances of the January 6, 2021, Ellipse rally, while potentially providing more detail about endeavors by Trump and his allies to convince state officials to block certification of the 2020 results.
They have also indicated plans to file a version with proposed redactions – also under seal – that could ultimately be posted to the court’s public docket.
Smith previously secured permission to file a brief as long as 180 pages – four times the normal page length. That brief does not include the “substantial” numbered exhibits prosecutors plan to attach to their arguments that will offer up key evidence. The footnotes alone citing their various exhibits would account for more than 30 pages of the main brief, prosecutors have said.
NEW: Jack Smith has distilled his two-year investigation into a ~180-page brief that will land on Judge Chutkan’s desk today.
If and when we see it (or parts of it) will be in her hands.
w/ @joshgerstein https://t.co/sITnPMc0fh pic.twitter.com/39fYPFflRC
— Kyle Cheney (@kyledcheney) September 26, 2024
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Urza
Pretty please release anything not classified, and summaries of classified bits in the next 2 weeks so the voters can know just how terrible he is for the country.
Baud
He’ll sleep well tonight.
Parfigliano
This whole thing is a damn joke. Nothing of consequece will ever happen to Trump. Its just delay delay delay. Mueller on steroids. Equal justice my ass.
zhena gogolia
Mueller did his job. Blame Barr.
Omnes Omnibus
@Parfigliano: Eh, I am sorry that Jack Smith has yet to put Trump in front of a firing squad.
HumboldtBlue
Meanwhile: LIVE NOW: Watch as cameras from outside the @Space_Station capture views of Hurricane #Helene as it approaches the Gulf Coast of Florida.
TBone
We the People have a very compelling public interest in seeing as much of the evidence as is possible without harming security. I hope we get to see it very soon.
WaterGirl
@Baud: Trump? :-)
Ohio Mom
Godspeed to that report.
If this was a movie or book, assuming it was not a parody, our willing suspension of disbelief would have snapped by now. And we thought Reagan was coated in Teflon!
oldgold
@zhena gogolia: I blame both of them. Mueller was way past his prime and Barr was crooked.
WaterGirl
@Omnes Omnibus:
TBone
Tick
Tock
!
SiubhanDuinne
@WaterGirl:
Jack Smith is SO HOT!!
Oh wait, that’s not really the topic of this thread, is it?
Never mind.
Baud
@SiubhanDuinne:
Feel free to talk about my hotness.
oldgold
@WaterGirl: What would constitute “sensitive material” in this context?
WaterGirl
OT, but this is pretty accurate.
Baud
@WaterGirl:
Like.
WaterGirl
@WaterGirl: Jabba the Hut really isn’t any more repulsive than Donald Trump. Would anyone disagree with that?
Dorothy A. Winsor
Got email saying my ballot is now on its way to me.
WaterGirl
@oldgold: That question might be better directed at Omnes. I have no fucking clue about what the court could consider sensitive material.
What I don’t understand is why Jack Smith wants it all under seal. I thought the point of going first was that he wanted all this information out there.
So color me perplexed.
WaterGirl
@Dorothy A. Winsor: How’s your ear? Was the procedure creepy or not a big deal?
WaterGirl
@Baud: Are you on a limited word diet?
cmorenc
The RE 6 on SCOTUS may prove much less eager to continue to run interference for Trump after the election, If Trump loses.
Baud
@WaterGirl:
Yes.
TBone
@WaterGirl: if he submitted a redacted version simultaneously, methinks he doesn’t strenuously object or was at least expecting the seal to be broken.
WaterGirl
@SiubhanDuinne: Well, given that we have no information on what was filed, that may be the only real topic we have available to us.
Captain C
@WaterGirl:
Jabba was an actual rich gangster. All TCFG ever did was lose money.
Sure Lurkalot
With the various media persons and organizations suddenly finding their “ethics” and refusing to publish the hacked emails from the Trump campaign, it would be nice if something from this filing would see the light of day to inform the electorate.
Though I keep thinking someone with provenance will leak the hacked emails at the last minute, a la Comey.
My conscience tells me that leaking hacked materials just encourages the bad actors but the media’s excuses are pretty pathetic given their past.
zhena gogolia
@oldgold: I know Adam Schiff is a gerontologist, but the Mueller report is a fantastic monument to an incredible investigation.
WaterGirl
Can we finish Operation Blue Arizona so we can get to Operation Blue North Carolina?
SatanicPanic
Unpopular opinion: I don’t think whatever is in the report is going to help Kamala Harris because no one is going to change their mind about Trump now. Better to keep it under wraps and allow Harris to shine than have something like this dominate the news. Same goes for whatever is in the emails that Iran stole. Keep the focus on Harris.
WaterGirl
@Baud: When you’re as hot as Jack Smith, we’ll think about it! :-)
West of the Rockies
@WaterGirl:
I’m guessing he’s the anti-Comey and doesn’t want to affect the election.
eemom
@SiubhanDuinne:
Agreed.
prostratedragon
@WaterGirl: I wonder if that’s something he has to say with the election looming.
Ken B
@WaterGirl: I don’t think Smith wants to give the Six Shitheads any excuses to let Trump off.
If anything’s released, Trump will howl and his dipshit lawyers will demand the case be dismissed for… whatever. And no matter how ridiculous the cause may be, there’s no guarantee that the Six won’t go with it.
Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, and I did not stay in a Holiday Inn last night.
Geminid
@WaterGirl: I would not disagree with you. Jabba the Hut has character.
Ken B
@Geminid: And a sense of humor.
Good villains should have a sense of humor.
bbleh
@WaterGirl: NAL but I’m guessing he knows perfectly well all of this is going to be appealed to death and — ASSUMING it ever comes to trial — he doesn’t want ANY possibility they might claim the jury pool was tainted. So, leave it to the trial judge what is revealed and what isn’t, cuz that’s her job anyway.
And I realize it is Wrong to hope that there might be some kind of hack or leak that results in this stuff spilling out before the election, but when it comes to which of a trial (if it ever occurs) or a pre-election leak would better serve the long-term interest of maintaining a law-based democracy, I ain’t sure of the answer.
Melancholy Jaques
@oldgold:
The source or the method by which the information was obtained might be the sensitive part.
Scout211
Ken Klippenstein published the supposedly hacked JD Vance dossier.
He posts a link to the whole .pdf document, if anyone is interested.
prostratedragon
From Atlantic, archive.ph link
To be precise, the diplomatic teams were working out details late on the evening of Oct. 6.
JPL
@SiubhanDuinne: Are you ready for the storm?
David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch
@WaterGirl: But Pizza the Hut is tasty
WaterGirl
@prostratedragon: Total coincidence that it was the night before Oct 7. No way Hamas knew about that and wanted to throw everything into chaos. //
WaterGirl
@David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch: Not very! Though it’s probably been a couple of decades since I have eaten there. By some miracle, did the food get better?
Harrison Wesley
@HumboldtBlue: Thanks, but I can see and hear it just fine looking out the window of my apartment.
SiubhanDuinne
@Baud:
It is my sole topic of conversation, Baud.
Eolirin
@Baud: Has someone lit you on fire?
David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch
@WaterGirl: Pizza the Hut was in the Mel Brooks satire Spaceballs
Sure Lurkalot
@Scout211: I guess my comment #28 should be flushed down the toilet.
Except for the observation that the mainstream media’s all of a sudden finding a code of ethics is laughable.
I still hope some of unredacted portions of the sealed indictment are brought forth, primarily because I think it’s likely that neither Trump nor the Republican Party will concede this election even if they lose by a landslide. Some voters need to be reminded what lengths Trump went to to stay in power.
SiubhanDuinne
@JPL:
As ready as I can be. Worried not so much about the rain, but about high winds, falling trees, power outages for several days. Hope you are prepared.
Everyone in Helene’s path, please stay safe and check in when you can. This looks like one nasty mofo of a storm.
Baud
@WaterGirl: I’ll work on decreasing my hotness.
@Eolirin: Just my pants, that one time. The experience left a mark.
Eolirin
@Baud: Well, then we wouldn’t have that much to talk about, would we?
JPL
@SiubhanDuinne: same I assume that I’ll lose everything in my fridge but that’s okay
Saturday morning I’ll cook what I can on the grill and if the roads are passable, I’ll deliver the food somewhere. Probably Mike’s apartment complex.
Cheryl from Maryland
Deposited my mail-in Ballot in the local Board of Elections Ballot Box this afternoon. I AM A VOTER. Canvassed for Alsobrooks for US Senator from Maryland after depositing my vote – one lady said the GOP has turned the House into a shithole!!!!!
HumboldtBlue
@Scout211:
And he got banned from Reddit because of course Musk is a simpering twat.
WaterGirl
@David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch: Ha!
Eolirin
@HumboldtBlue: What does Musk have to do with Reddit?
WaterGirl
@Baud: LOL. And your ego, as well? :-)
Scout211
@HumboldtBlue: And Elon is blocking all links to the hacked dossier on X and suspended Klippenstein’s account on X.
Elizabelle
Stay safe, Florida and Georgia and southeast jackals!! Waiting for Helene.
we should have a thread on that. The news is more likely to talk about it.
Sure Lurkalot
I hope everyone in Helene’s path is as prepared as they can be and fingers crossed that everyone stays safe and sound. I’m sure it’s scary as all get out.
JoyceH
Just a reminder that this week would be an excellent time to inform or remind everyone you know that Trump’s Project 2025 calls for the entire abolishment of NOAA and The National Weather Service.
HumboldtBlue
@Eolirin:
Shit… Twitter.
Elsewhere, Eric Adams tried to play the black victim card and black folks, well, at least one guy with a megaphone, wasn’t buying it.
BR
So many good videos — this one goes right at the question “who’s going to pay for it” which is the knee jerk reaction to all of Harris’s plans:
https://www.tiktok.com/@doss.discourse/video/7419033676400446750
HumboldtBlue
Tim Walz is really good at this.
Miki
@Parfigliano: Are you Dudley or the Damsel strapped to the tracks?
FWIW, I’m going to support the folks that don’t quit.
Eolirin
@Cheryl from Maryland: Hogan concerns me. It’d really suck if we pull it out and hold Montana and somehow lose control of the Senate anyway because of Maryland.
Miki
@JoyceH: 👍
David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch
Donald Sutherland nite on TCM
M*A*S*H
Ordinary People
Klute
Kelly’s Heroes (woof!, woof!)
Miki
@Baud: I thought the point of no pants was about stay cool.
frosty
@SiubhanDuinne: @WaterGirl: Jack Smith so hot? I believe it’s definitely WaterGirl’s topic for this thread!
HumboldtBlue
@David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch:
M*A*S*H is unwatchable nowadays, it’s a grossly sexist movie. There are so many other movies they could have chosen.
kalakal
@David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch:
Kelly’s Heroes is one of my favourite films. I hope the power stays on .
To all Jackals in Helene’ s path, take it seriously and stay safe. Hopefully the worst is over here but this is a big, bad storm
Dan B
@frosty: And I’d add Jeffries, Ossoff, Warnock, and maybe Moskowitz, and one of the Jareds. And the Democratic women! Does that give us a deep bench, a deep and hot bench, or what?
cmorenc
If Trump loses in November, he may quickly find out his rich friends who have been so helpfully bankrolling his litigation and bond expenses have abruptly cut off giving further financial help to him. It’s a bitch when you are a transactional sort of guy and abruptly, you have nothing to transactionally offer. This may include the RW 6 on SCOTUS, who may conclude Trump offers no benefit to their ideological goals to run any further interference for him, against further repetitional damage best saved for more worthwhile Federalist Society substance.
HumboldtBlue
John Fisher and MLB fucked over Oakland A’s fans, and it should never be forgotten. The greedy motherfuckers.
A’s fans getting stadium dirt from the grounds crew as the A’s play their final game in Oakland.
WaterGirl
@Scout211: I hope someone got it all before Elon blocked everything.
Marleedog
@Eolirin:
@Cheryl from Maryland: Hogan concerns me. It’d really suck if we pull it out and hold Montana and somehow lose control of the Senate anyway because of Maryland
WaPo has Alsobrooks up by 11 in the latest polling. Not to diminish Hogan’s chances but I am optimistic that MD Senate will stay blue.
@Cheryl from Maryland:
Geminid
@Eolirin: A Washington, DC all-news station* led off local news with a report on a new poll showing Angela Alsobrooks with a lead of 11% over Larry Hogan. Alsobrooks’ biggest weakness was her lack of state-wide recognition, and she apparently has gotten past it. Alsobrooks strikes me as a strong candidate who will bring a lot to the Senate.
* WTOP is an excellent news source with a lot of coverage of national and foreign news above and beyond the twice-hourly CBS radio reports which are pretty good too. I can recommend it to anyone living in the area. The home station broadcasts at 103.5 FM, but I catch WTOP from its Fredericksburg transmitter at 107.7.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@cmorenc: If I were Trump, I’d be making contingency plans to flee the country, just in case. Why not?
eemom
Jack Smith has a lean and hungry look. It is hot.
Princess
@Scout211: Because something something free speech.
Geminid
@cmorenc: I think that when Trump loses we will see a lot of damaging information on him come out. People and entities that wanted to keep his favor or feared retaliation will dump it. I’m thinking here of foreign countries in particular; I doubt if Egypt is the only country he shook down.
karen marie
@HumboldtBlue: Walz is just so fucking cute.
Another Scott
Looks pretty good to me.
Fight for 15!!
Cheers,
Scott.
WaterGirl
@Eolirin: I read good news about Maryland Senate race yesterday or today, but I don’t recall where.
Citizen Alan
@WaterGirl: Jabba the Hutt is practically adorable compared to Shitgibbon.
Marleedog
@eemom: Such men are dangerous.
karen marie
@Another Scott:
Yes, please!
WaterGirl
@kalakal:
I made a post for Helene check-ins, like I did a couple of years ago for the fires out west. It’s in the sidebar at the top, to make it easy to find, no matter what’s on the front page.
Don’t make us worry about you guys! :-)
Scout211
@WaterGirl: The whole dossier is posted on Klippenstein’s blog but links to his blog are blocked on X and Klippenstein’s X account is suspended. But access is still possible if you go directly to his blog. And right now, his blog post about the dossier is the top story on memeoradum.
I posted the link here in case people were interested. But I personally am not interested in reading anything more about JD Vance.
Jay
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
FYI,…………………………………………..
https://nitter.poast.org/GlasnostGone/status/1839327388024680852#m
HumboldtBlue
More people need to tell Piers Morgan to shut the fuck up and listen, as this woman did.
Dan B
@Dan B: I have it! With Jack Smith, Jeffries, Ossoff, Jeffries, and more we have: A Hot Dishy Bench!!
TBone
https://digbysblog.net/2024/09/26/the-grift-never-ends/
The “Victory Tourbillion” wtaf
Tick tock 💥
MagdaInBlack
@Geminid: I like that you say “when trump loses.”
Jackie
@karen marie: I love how Walz’s voice cracked as he was declaring “It’s a football cake!”
He almost sounded worshipful 😂
Jackie
@Another Scott: McTurtle is hyperventilating at the thought of Dems holding the Senate then killing the filibuster for certain proposed bills, such as restoring ROE, adding SC Justices, giving statehood to DC and possibly Puerto Rico 😂
https://www.rawstory.com/mitch-mcconnell-2669281175/
WaterGirl
@Scout211: Yeah, I don’t want to read it, either, but I want the information out there.
How did they not find all sorts of this awful stuff about him during the Senate race? That’s practically a crime!
WaterGirl
@Jay: What deranged attack on Zelensky?
catclub
@HumboldtBlue: Major league sportsball is a business. The fans are extremely gullible customers.
Too bad.
WaterGirl
@Dan B: i am giggling out loud as I read when you wrote.
catclub
@WaterGirl: Zelensky met with Josh Shapiro and Trump took that as meeting with the enemy in the fall campaign.
Geminid
@MagdaInBlack: That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.
Geminid
@catclub: I think the Ukraine question hurts Trump. I don’t know how much, but it seems to be a sticking point for some otherwise reliable Republican voters.
And it casts a harsh light on Trump’s fealty to Putin. This raises the question of Trump’s character, and that is the biggest sticking point of all for disaffected conservatives.
WaterGirl
@catclub: What an idiot.
wjca
But some businesses are better run than others. Well run businesses try to give their customers what they want. Or at least make a show of trying to.
The current Athletics owner has made a practice of trading away any player who shows signs of ability; it keeps his payroll down. I don’t think there’s been a single team we played all season that didn’t have a couple of ex-Athletics in their line-up. Usually among their top players. It does seem that the A’s farm system is pretty good. Presumably because the owner is utterly disinterested in baseball** and so ignores it rather than trashing it.
** He’s only in it for the real estate deals he hopes to do around a new stadium. Oakland resisted giving him the enormous gift he demanded to stay. Las Vegas wasn’t that smart.
Urza
@HumboldtBlue: I went there. Reading the comments should be a reminder that I should never read anything on Twitter ever. How the hell can people be so hateful and deranged on such a simple comment that everyone should be able to let pass if not agree with.
Kayla Rudbek
@Marleedog: Mr. Rudbek and I drove out to the Eastern Shore of Maryland this afternoon. More Trump signs (which I flipped off as I we went by, Mr. Rudbek drove and I was knitting) but also Harris for President, Harris/Walz, and Alsobrooks for Senate signs. Of course we all know that signs alone don’t vote but I was glad to see Democrats having signs out.