I don’t now where this case goes from here, but this is cause for celebration!
SISTERSONG WOMEN OF COLOR ) REPRODUCTIVE JUSTICE ) COLLECTIVE, on behalf of itself and )
CIVIL ACTION
its members et al., Plaintiffs
v.
STATE OF GEORGIA, Defendant
I had to do a series of ugly copy & pastes, so I just broke this up randomly between sentences. Here’s the original order.
Whether one couches it as liberty or privacy (or even equal protection), this dispute is fundamentally about the extent of a woman’s right to control what happens to and within her body. The baseline rule is clear: a legally competent person has absolute authority over her body and should brook no governmental interference in what she does — and does not do — in terms of health, hygiene, and the like.10 Cruzan v. Director, MDH, 497 U.S. 261, 269 (1990) (“Every human being of adult years and sound mind has a right to determine what shall be done with his own body”). Unsurprisingly, the manner in which Georgia’s courts have interpreted and applied these provisions of the State Constitution (and the rights flowing from them) firmly supports such a position. G
luttony and self-deprivation are both constitutionally protected lifestyles. People are free to tattoo or pierce any and every square inch of their skin. And, ordinarily, one can pursue — or refuse — medical care, elective or essential.
But here, in this case and this debate, there is one more important fact — the pregnancy — that changes the constitutional analysis.At some point, the pregnancy acquires its own rights that deserve protection, protection that can conflict with the mother’s exercise of her rights. We struggle mightily — and not always peaceably — with determining when that point arrives. For some, that moment is conception: when sperm fertilizes egg and a zygote is formed — a single cell with a unique combination of DNA drawn from each parent — a new life begins, a life vested with all the protections our Constitution affords living human beings. See, e.g., LePage v. Ctr. for Reprod. Med., P.C., — So. 3d. —, SC-2022-0515, 2024 WL 656591 at *16 (Ala. Feb. 16, 2024) (“We believe that each human being, from the moment of conception, is made in the image of God, created by Him to reflect His likeness.”) (Parker, C.J., concurring).
For many others, including Georgians until the LIFE Act was passed, that tipping point is viability, when the fetus — now fully formed — can survive outside the mother. See, e.g., Conn. Gen. Stat. Ann. § 19a-602(a) (“The decision to terminate a pregnancy prior to the viability of the fetus shall be solely that of the patient”); 775 Ill. Comp. Stat. Ann. 55/1-25; Me. Rev. Stat. tit. 22, § 1598.
Our Legislature — or at least the Legislature as it was composed back in 2019 — has, through the now-resurrected LIFE Act, offered yet another perspective: life begins with the establishment of a pre-fetal circulatory system.11 That point, according to the LIFE Act, is when embryo and mother become co-equal, enjoying the same rights under the Constitution.12
Thus in Georgia today a pregnancy that persists beyond the detection of this initial heartbeat — that is, a post-embryonic cardiac activity pregnancy (PECAP) — may not be terminated unless one of several narrow exceptions applies. Indeed, anyone performing or facilitating a non-exempt PECAP termination is, under the LIFE Act, guilty of a felony offense.13 O.C.G.A. § 16-12-140. And that creates the issue to be decided here: how to balance the rights of a not-yet-viable fetus against the rights of the only person in this great wide world who can — by choice or by legislative imposition — maintain that pregnancy until it is viable?14
For these women, the liberty of privacy means that they alone should choose whether they serve as human incubators for the five months leading up to viability. It is not for a legislator, a judge, or a Commander from The Handmaid’s Tale to tell these women what to do with their bodies during this period when the fetus cannot survive outside the womb any more so than society could — or should — force them to serve as a human tissue bank or to give up a kidney for the benefit of another.21,22
Considering the compelling record evidence about the physical, mental, and emotional impact of unwanted pregnancies on the women who are forced by law to carry them to term (as well as on their other living children), the Court finds that, until the pregnancy is viable, a woman’s right to make decisions about her body and her health remains private and protected, i.e., remains her business and her business alone.
When someone other than the pregnant woman is able to sustain the fetus, then — and only then — should those other voices have a say in the discussion about the decisions the pregnant woman makes concerning her body and what is growing within it.23
Conclusion
The authors of our Constitutions, state and federal, entrusted to future generations a charter protecting the right of all persons to enjoy liberty as we learn its meaning. When new insight reveals discord between the Constitution’s central protections and a received legal stricture, a claim to liberty must be addressed.
...demonstrates that liberty in Georgia includes in its meaning, in its protections, and in its bundle of rights the power of a woman to control her own body, to decide what happens to it and in it, and to reject state interference with her healthcare choices. That power is not, however, unlimited. When a fetus growing inside a woman reaches viability, when society can assume care and responsibility for that separate life, then — and only then — may society intervene. An arbitrary six-week ban on PECAP terminations is inconsistent with these rights and the proper balance that a viability rule establishes between a woman’s rights of liberty and privacy and society’s interest in protecting and caring for unborn infants.
Accordingly, Section 4 of the LIFE Act is hereby DECLARED unconstitutional.33 The State and all its agents, to include any County, Municipal, or other local authority, are once again ENJOINED from seeking to enforce in any manner the LIFE Act’s PECAP termination ban in Georgia. Because Section 4 is stricken and thus its amendments to O.C.G.A. § 16-12-141 are gone, Section 11 necessarily fails as well, as a woman does not require a legislatively bestowed exception to pursue a pre-viability PECAP termination. Finally, O.C.G.A. 16-12-141(f) is DECLARED unconstitutional. It, too, shall not be enforced by the State or any of its agents.
The law of Georgia reverts to what was (and remains) constitutional in this State at he time of the LIFE Act’s passage.
Baud
It’ll be appealed, but hopefully it inspires some folks.
bbleh
Hats off (ok I don’t wear a hat) to the judge! I can easily see him saying “it’ll probably get struck down at some point but it’ll save some lives in the meantime so hell yeah!”
These religiostic control fanatics make me SO TIRED. “Lord, save me from your followers!”
Kosh III
Woohoo
WaterGirl
What the fucking fuck?
Starfish
I am so glad that Sister Song is doing this!
A lot of the abortion funds do not have the extra money that they had when Roe was first turned over. But the expenses are still extremely high with women having to leave states to get medical care. The Cobalt Abortion Fund in Colorado has been struggling to help all these out of state women cover the travel, housing, etc.
Yellowhammer Fund is doing lawsuits in Alabama.
I think the National Network of Abortion Funds helps you get to the local funds that can help you target specific states if you want to.
WaterGirl
@WaterGirl: Elon’s business ventures need to be nationalized.
Anoniminous
So Elon is breaking the embargo
WaterGirl
@Starfish: When I was 30, I ran an abortion loan fund. No interest loans for women who couldn’t afford an abortion.
not one woman ever failed to repay the loan. Not one.
Starfish
@WaterGirl: That’s amazing!
WaterGirl
@Anoniminous: Joe needs to do something about Elon after the election. Test out those immunity limits.
ArchTeryx
@WaterGirl: If only “nationalization” wasn’t such a dirty word in this country. If we didn’t have the guts to nationalize even one bank during the Great Recession, how would we work up the guts to nationalize ANYTHING of Elon Musk’s now?
WaterGirl
@Starfish: They were all so grateful that there’s no way they wouldn’t have paid it back.
WaterGirl
@ArchTeryx: These are different times. I have high hopes. Maybe even just talk of the possibility, or even alluding to it, might hold him back a bit. Talk about immigrants who should be deported.
No One You Know
@WaterGirl: This. When someone can act as an “independent” military contractor to U.S enemies against active allies, and be flattered by them into committing to their goals, the U.S. should be able to commandeer those assets because they are being used against U.S. interests while benefiting from U.S. protections… and paid for by U.S. taxpayers.
WaterGirl
@No One You Know: Absolutely!
ArchTeryx
@WaterGirl: Believe me, you got me convinced of the need. That fucker needs to be barred from these shores permanently and his national security assets, at the least, seized under military jurisdiction.
I’ll just believe it when I see it that we got the political will to seize a billionaire’s assets, no matter how important they are to national security. Particularly with one party now defining national security as “anything Putin wants.”
hrprogressive
@ArchTeryx:
Time to “Patriotize” Elon’s activities then.
“Uncle-Samify”
“Americanize”
“Freedomize”
“Capitalize”
Pick a different word, then take it over. Let him bitch and moan on shitter about it.
HeleninEire
Just got my NY early mail-in ballot.
There’s a guy running for NY State Assembly named Alan J. Schiff. I did a double-take. 😅
I may vote for him or any of the others running against Andrew Hevesi. I haaaatte the NY Hevesi’s. The Dad went to jail and the son…not Andrew…Dan; I went to Columbia U for my Masters degree with Dan. Oh how many stories I could tell!!.
Anyway YAY. Gonna go vote.
lamh47
Let’s go Georgia!
Alright talk me down BJ, I’m seriously thinking about driving the new car home to NOLA for Thanksgiving week…hmmm Oakland to NOLA…hmmm Lordt.
HinTN
@lamh47: Not unless you’re making it a “see the sights” road trip. Fly right out of Oakland to New Orleans on Southwest.
Baud
For some hopium, this reddit thread links it a político article, which I did not read.
frosty
@lamh47: Don’t ever ask a road tripper to talk you out of a cross-country drive. Google Maps says 2,225 miles. Figure average speed of 55 (including stops) makes it 40 hours. Four 10-hour days – not impossible, but those get to be long days back-to-back.
So Thanksgiving week in NOLA is going to take about two weeks total.
ETA: Bonus! No fighting your way through an airport on the Wednesday before Thanksgiving!
prostratedragon
Dikembe Mutombo
lamh47
@HinTN:
@frosty:
Oh…I’m a flyer for sure, but I gotta get the new car on the road somehow…WFH I barely drive her…LOL.
Might end up flying one of the fam out here to/from NOLA and we driving down to/from NOLA together…gonna see how I can budget. I know somebody wants to see SF…so they can make it a trip and a drive…LOL
It would DEF be a “sightseeing” type drive.
lamh47
@frosty:
Right…as long as I inform my job that my duty site will be in NOLA for a set time, it’s all good!
And I’ve got Friday – Mondays without work as part of my schedule…
Again…right now it’s just a pipe dream…I’m gonna have to see what a budget might look like…
Of course if a REALLY cheap flight comes up…I will def NOT be driving!!!
Baud
Via reddit, holy
cowcat.Steve in the ATL
@WaterGirl: I concur. And I’m always right! (Don’t believe my wife when she contradicts this statement)
@lamh47: i am in northern Louisiana at the moment. if it turns out that I’m pregnant, i will hightail it back to Georgia tout de suite
frosty
@lamh47:
Much easier with two drivers. And when I was looking at the route it really deserved to be a sightseeing drive. Lots of things on the way that are worth a stop.
Eolirin
@Anoniminous: Very unlikely. Russia has a bunch of ways of working around sanctions, and those starlink terminals are likely being purchased in other countries and then smuggled back into Russia.
SpaceX might be able to do more to prevent their use than they are, but there’s no evidence they’re selling them to the Russians.
frosty
@Steve in the ATL: Re comments from earlier post (definitely OT). So you can’t bend a wound G? I learned early that I couldn’t bend anything. That’s why I play slide!
patrick II
It is interesting how the written truth is beautiful in a way the conglomeration of ugly lies that Alito wrote could never be.
Villago Delenda Est
@Anoniminous: Leon is a fucking Nazi. No ifs, ands, or buts.
eclare
@lamh47:
That’s a long drive, and there could be bad weather.
Eolirin
@Villago Delenda Est: He is, but SpaceX is not selling Starlink terminals to the Russians.
Gloria DryGarden
@WaterGirl: that’s amazing and fantastic. I wish I’d thought or known to be part of something like that.
TBone
My favorite written sentence of 2024.
lamh47
@eclare: right, which is why I was thinking Thanksgiving.
Hurricane season in NOLA at least ends early November. By Thanksgiving it may or may not be really cold, but NOLA it’ll just be fall weather. We get rain, but not hurricane level rain/wind.
eclare
@Baud:
Wow that’s a lot of cats!
Steve in the ATL
@frosty: I can, if pressed, but not to my satisfaction. It’s not terribly hard on a strat with Dean Marley 10’s, but still not the same.
Do you use glass or steel?
and guitars are never OT! Especially when we are lamenting the loss of Amir.
eclare
@lamh47:
I was thinking more of bad weather in Western states where you might be at a higher elevation.
Gloria DryGarden
@lamh47: you do know there can be blizzards in November?
And then there’s spending money in red states, in republican-owned businesses.
David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch
@Baud: catmandu
Sister Golden Bear
@lamh47:
The Sierras await. Just saying.
Happy to offer ideas if you think about doing a mountain road trip. And fall color season is almost here.
Gloria DryGarden
@TBone: This is such great news! I’m celebrating.
TBone
@patrick II: 💜
lamh47
@eclare: @Gloria DryGarden: yep,
Yeah, would def take that western state weather into account.
@Gloria DryGarden: Weather would be the main reason for me to be like “nah…I’ma fly”; spending money in red states, I mean I was born and raised and lived 47 years of my life in red states…so I’ve been spending money there, and unfortunately it won’t stop as long as I have family in Louisiana and Texas who I will always be visiting.
WaterGirl
@Baud: Wowser, I nearly started to feel claustrophobic watching that!
lamh47
@Sister Golden Bear: Hmmm…mountain views…may hit you up one day if I do decide on a trip like that.
Thx
Dave Buchen
Good on the grass roots groups and decent lawyers that worked to make this happen!!
Speaking of Georgia, trump’s lie about Biden not taking kemp’s phone call is infuriating from here in Puerto Rico.
First, it’s a libelous lie, or, to give him the benefit of the doubt, a sign of trump’s utter ignorance of the situation.
And! And! After hurricane Katrina and W’s total fuck up and fema’s criminal incompetence, being competent at hurricane relief became you know, expected.
Then hurricane Maria leveled us here in PR for months and yes years, and trump not only led a criminally incompetent response, BUT he also withheld funds from PR because he didn’t like what the mayor of San Juan was saying about him. The moneys assigned by congress were never fully released until after Biden took office.
So, again, fuck him!
WaterGirl
@Steve in the ATL: I am taking your side on this one. And always!
karen marie
@Baud: That’s not a “sanctuary,” it’s a hoarding situation.
TBone
@Gloria DryGarden: his poignantly effective wording can be used as a template by other writers of jurisprudence as well. Akin to certain lawmakers relying on the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) to write the text of their laws for them.
Sprinkle that shit everywhere!
WaterGirl
@patrick II: Yes.
piratedan
@lamh47: part of the joy of planning a trip by car is deciding what you absolutely have to see if given the opportunity to do so…. How much time do you want to spend on the side trips to feel that you’ve had enough of a taste?
If you decide to go across via the southern route, let us know, we can help suggest or even give you a safe potty stop if you need one (and you might get to pet some dogs).
karen marie
@Eolirin:
That’s the defense?
TBone
I am nominating Judge Robert McBurney as Man of the Year in my world.
TBone
@Villago Delenda Est: 👍
Villago Delenda Est
@Dave Buchen: FEMA tends to work better under Dem management than Rethug mismanagement. The deserting coward’s dad owed his loss to Bill Clinton in part to the incompetence of his appointed GQp FEMA team.
SatanicPanic
Pete Rose RIP.
The man was a workhorse.
Villago Delenda Est
@TBone: ALEC needs the Ellen Ripley treatment, just like the Heritage Foundation. It’s the only way to be sure.
lamh47
@piratedan: Oooh…even if not Thanksgiving…I do think I’ll be planning a drive eventually, even if it a drive leaving SF (not planning to anytime soon, I have 20 year plan, that may or may not include some length of time elsewhere.).
Ajabu
I got a shocking response today from a friend in GA that had announced to me that he voted for TCFG in 2020 and will again this year. I sent him some information as to why he, as a fellow Black man, should be voting for Kamala. This was his response:
Nope, nope,! She’s been there almost 4 years and has done nothing but giggle. Donald Trump proved that he could be a good president in spite of his flaws. He had a great economy, low unemployment, we had no wars, our economy was running fabulous, gas prices were low, and he did so much more. In spite of his flaws he still proved that he could run the country a whole lot better than a woman who claims to have made a life working at McDonald’s. She has a track record of lying about everything that comes out of her mouth including claiming to be black, including treating black people horribly. She has a record in California. She couldn’t even get above 1% of the vote when she ran as president. I definitely am not interested in her. She’s wanting to give taxpayer dollars for transgender surgeries for illegals and prisoners. You’re struggling right now under the Joe Biden economy how’s that going for you!? You didn’t struggle like this under the Trump administration because the economy treated every one of us well. But you’re struggling very badly and you want to continue to have Stockholm syndrome, and continue to vote for these crazy people.
I responded: I’m sorry I even mentioned it. I have rational answers for everything you said, but I’m not interested.
Let’s leave politics out of it. I will only talk with you about Music.
You Do You…
He answered:
I am not mad at you, because I’m your friend. I am just expressing to you how I feel about this upcoming election and the people who are running. It’s all Love brother. I promise you I’m not mad.
I haven’t responded and don’t intend to. My relationship with him is primarily business But I was just shocked that a black man (Lowercase for him now) It his mid 60s Could be so stupid. ignorant motherfucker. And I was worried about YOUNG Black men. Goddamn!
Sister Golden Bear
@lamh47: In general, if you take the 5 south to the 10, you’re pretty safe from winter weather. I-40 is probably a bit more scenic, but more mountainness in places.
If you do take I-10, it’s worth the detour to Bisbee, AZ.
Steve in the ATL
@Ajabu: Jesus wept.
eclare
@Ajabu:
That’s depressing when you find something like that out about your friend.
Sister Golden Bear
@lamh47: Fall colors are coming up in Lake Tahoe. Just sayin’
It would add maybe a day or two, but you could go through Lake Tahoe (or Yosemite as long as Tioga Pass is open), and then take Highway 395 down to I-40. The Owens Valley is a magnificent drive, sandwiched between the Sierras and the White Mountains.
lamh47
@Sister Golden Bear: I was def seeing that if I made it a straight drive with stops to sleep and not a “sightseeing” trip. The plan was basically just 1-10’ing it the entire way basically the CA-AZ-NM-TX-LA route.
But likely if I do, I will only do it if I can get someone to come up and take the drive to/from with me, TBH, doesn’t even have to be the same person. lt would involve a stop in Dallas though, since that is where my sister lives with the babies, and I can’t NOT stop to see the babies on our way to NOLA.
Betty
@Ajabu: It is shocking. It would be interesting to know what his source is for his “facts.”
lamh47
Sigh…I really want Gov Walz to wipe the floor with this bastard!
Sister Golden Bear
@lamh47: Nice thing about Oakland is that there’s a ton of awesome places you can visit within a 2-4 hour trip: North coast up to Fort Bragg, Sonoma Coast, Guerneville (the Bay Area’s queer resort town), Napa, Lake Tahoe and Yosemite plus other parts of the Sierras, Santa Cruz and Monterey. Plus a lots of lesser known, but interesting spots
Also worth a road trip up to the Oregon Shakespeare Festival in Ashland, OR sometime. It’s a mix of Will’s play and modern play — and it’s considered one of the premier theater destinations.
Sister Golden Bear
@Ajabu: Ugh, I’m so sorry.
BretH
@Betty: it’s common knowledge, of course!
TBone
Hit dogs holler and hoo boy this one is howling 😆
https://www.nationalreview.com/bench-memos/another-wild-abortion-ruling-by-georgia-judge-robert-mcburney/
This clinches McBurney’s Man of the Year nomination for me 😁
TBone
@BretH: 👍 exactly
piratedan
@Sister Golden Bear: agreed, it really depends on what trips your trigger, so much beauty to see no matter which route is taken.
You could make an argument for Grand Canyon, Zion, Painted Desert/Petrified Forest, Saguaro all being worth the time, but weather matters too.
Chief Oshkosh
@eclare: I guess at the very least I’d point out that I’m not worried about him being mad at me and that he may need an ego check.
Doc Sardonic
@Eolirin: Prove it. Hearsay not accepted, court rules of evidence only.
HumboldtBlue
This Japanese language call from the Georgia-Bama game is fantastic.
Doc Sardonic
@Steve in the ATL: Why you working so hard, lighter strings are your friend, poor country boy slides work for me.
HumboldtBlue
Tim Walz: Cat man do.
TBone
@TBone: written by this fucking guy 🤮
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Whelan_(American_lawyer)
Ksmiami
@Ajabu: sorry but your friend is an idiot
H.E.Wolf
Here is Judge McBurney’s ruling, in full.
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/25178630/mcburney-sistersong-final-order.pdf
Take a look at Footnote 21. (Bold is mine.) Thank you, Judge McBurney:
21 “There is an uncomfortable and usually unspoken subtext of involuntary servitude swirling about this debate, symbolically illustrated by the composition of the legal teams in this case. It is generally men who promote and defend laws like the LIFE Act, the effect of which is to require only women — and, given the socio-economic and demographic evidence presented at trial, primarily poor women, which means in Georgia primarily black and brown women — to engage in compulsory labor, i.e., the carrying of a pregnancy to term at the Government’s behest.”
BR
There are apparently many shitheads out there on both the left and the right teaming up to stir up anger about the hurricane relief efforts. As if things aren’t bad enough we need to have them adding noise. If you see that stuff on social media — shut it down hard.
opiejeanne
@Steve in the ATL: Do we know that Amir is really gone, or is this just reminiscing about him?
I miss him too.
Another Scott
@Ajabu: Sorry. :-(
Yeah, you could spend a lot of time trying to argue him out of those mistaken views. Probably without success.
Maybe the list of Republicans against Trump would give him some pause. Such a long list has never happened before. He might ask himself why…
Hang in there.
Cheers,
Scott.
prostratedragon
@Ajabu:
Antidote?
I bet there won’t be many tfg voters here.
lamh47
@Sister Golden Bear: Oooh awesome…I will def make a note of these places.
Thx!
frosty
@Steve in the ATL: On electric, a gen-u-wine Coricidin bottle. I had allergies when I was trying to be Duane Allman and I saved the bottles. One of my three still has the label on it.
For resonators, a Craftsman 3/4″ deep socket. It takes some weight to make those heavy strings sing. Especially on the baritone tricone.
I like “found” slides.
HumboldtBlue
@HumboldtBlue:
I just learned that call is from another sporting event from years ago and not from Saturday’s game.
frosty
@lamh47: It took me the better part of three days to get across Texas on I-10. Started in Tucson and ended in Lake Charles, LA.
prostratedragon
Oh.
eclare
@HumboldtBlue:
Awwww, the anti JDeviance.
frosty
@piratedan: Weather. My brother helped my niece drive from NY to LA last year. He insisted on a side trip to Grand Canyon which she had never seen. It was socked in! She says there’s no canyon, it’s just a hoax.
eclare
@HumboldtBlue:
That was from Saturday’s game. The way the Bama wide receiver spun and danced to get into the end zone was amazing. He’s seventeen!
SiubhanDuinne
@David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch:
Pussy Galore
lamh47
@frosty: Ah…yeah, I-10 would be the straightest, meaning less off/on interstate, but the drive is pretty monotonous at many points. I-10 from Houston to NOLA tho is at least more scenic.
Dallas would be higher so not I-10, I believe I-40 instead and once in Dallas the trip from Dallas to NOLA is the worse cause of how monotonous it is.
Having said all I have said so far, I am not planning to do a solo drive of that type of journey…if I had a 2nd companion driver, maybe, but even then, as 2 Black folks driving alone, the biggest thing would actually be driving in certain towns and making a strong “best places to stop” driving itenarary. Def dont’ want to get stuck in some sundown town along that route.
Again, tho, I’m just panning out the possibility, but knowing how I am, I promise you I’ll find a cheap plane ticket or sale and bloop driving not happening…LOL
karen marie
@TBone: I skimmed the first several paragraphs but had to close the tab because of the sick splattering off the page.
HumboldtBlue
Tim Walz at the Michigan v Minnesota game, battle for the Li’l Brown Jug.
Sister Golden Bear
@opiejeanne: No confirmation, only an inability to reach him. But Amir had been having unspecified health problems, which included a hospital stay.
TBone
@karen marie: his arguments are so effn ridiculous 🙄 but what else would you expect from someone who clerked for Scalia and hired a skeevy PR firm to flood the zone for Kavanaugh?
hotshoe
@WaterGirl:
Starlink and Xitter and SpaceX, anyway, he can keep Tesla incelcaminos ;)
Dan B
@hotshoe: Incel Caminos to Elmo! It’s interesting that there are very few of them in Seattle but there are lots of Tesla S, 3, Y, X. In a typical 1 mile drive to the store in our minority majority neighborhood I’ll see three to five, sometimes a dozen. But I’ve only seen three Incel Mobiles ever.
kalakal
@Steve in the ATL:
I tend to use a mixed set of strings
light for the top 3, regular for the bottom 3 (by pitch). I usually play strats and it makes bending easy
blackmtn
@frosty: yeah, we really need a thread just on guitar slides…
My first one was from a Mateus wine bottle. soak some cotton string in wax, light it on fire, then plunge into cold water – breaks off nice and clean. Then round the sharp edges on your concrete sidewalk ( you need to find a corner piece of concrete to get into the inside edges).
Now I drink better wine and my current slide is Rock Slide brand molded glass.
Your old original Coricidin bottles might be worth something!
Uncle Cosmo
Mmm, Donner kebap… ;^p
Origuy
@lamh47: Sacramento is a nice day trip from Oakland. The Crocker Art Museum, the Railroad museum, and Old Sacramento are worth a stop.
Some of the Gold Rush towns like Placerville and Auburn are interesting too, and far enough to work out your driving muscles for the long trip. And driving long distances is exercise!
wjca
Grand Canyon and Zion are impressive. But frankly Bryce Canyon is far more impressive than either of them.
Gloria DryGarden
@Betty: I’ve heard similar talking points from several of my acquaintances. It takes my breath away. I’ve tried to discuss, but I never feel heard. And yes, I really want to know the sources they get it from.
I’ve sent or forwarded articles, asked them to read. They don’t have time, and seem so utterly convinced. It’s bewildering and flabbergasting. I’ve even tried listening to some of what I guess they listen to, even for a few minutes ( my maximum). They won’t even do the same. And each of them sound so darned sure.
it hurts so many of us to find this out about people we know.
WaterGirl
@hotshoe: totally agree!
Gloria DryGarden
@Another Scott: I’ve tried that angle.
oh god.
Gloria DryGarden
@Sister Golden Bear: someone on the other thread said he’d taken early retirement, been hospitalized because of a form of congestive heart failure, which seemed to have been worsened from dehydration during Ramadan. Dehydration makes it worse they said.
wasn’t it you? I hope opie Jean sees this.
Ramalama
@Ajabu: Yikes!
Baud
@Gloria DryGarden:
Trumpers get off on that pain. Makes them feel strong.
Ramalama
@blackmtn: is there video of you making slides?
Gloria DryGarden
@Baud: I expect you’re right.
internally I react with anger, shock, and feeling appalled. Their implacable wall of certainty, while upholding such a nest of lies, I find it infuriating. And the inability/ unwillingness to listen, I guess that’s what hooks my fury. And the lies and harm currently being done, as well as the harm intended.
my advisors tell me to walk away.
I really need to think of some clever question, to investigate how they can ignore so many people turning away from that creepy candidate. Or,
I really need to become neutral, and let them go.
the struggle is real
Another Scott
@frosty: A few years ago, I accompanied my J to a conference in Phoenix in the early fall. Afterwards, we drove up to the Grand Canyon. It was supposed to be nice (~ 65F) when we got there. We drove up and parked and I was able to see into the canyon about 5 seconds before it filled with clouds. J never saw it that trip.
Folks at the lodge desk said we might want to think about other arrangements as snow was predicted and the roads might be closed the next morning.
:-/
We ended up leaving and heading down to Sedona for a few days before we had to head back home.
Weather out there can change quickly!
Cheers,
Scott.
strange visitor (from another planet)
@Ajabu: “no wars”?!?!
AYFKM?!?
i mean, there was a steady drumbeat of US deaths out of afghanistan, but the russians were in ukraine the ENTIRE length of fibberache’s presidency…
he was IMPEACHED over withholding anti-tank weapons from ukraine. the perfect fucking phone call!
FFS.
all while they talk about how WE’RE being invaded. funny i see no IFV’s, SPG’s or MBT’s coming across our southern border. nor any drones, cruise missiles or shells.
people sure do like to lie to themselves
eta- or the others are right and your friend is an idiot.
blackmtn
@Ramalama: A video of me making a slide? Alas, no. Last time I made a slide this way was 50 years ago. – but it looks like there are plenty of uTubes of bottle neck slide making. Most are using glass cutters instead of flaming string – probably much safer!