Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Reality always lies in wait for … Democrats.

“I was told there would be no fact checking.”

These are not very smart people, and things got out of hand.

It’s always darkest before the other shoe drops.

The Supreme Court cannot be allowed to become the ultimate, unaccountable arbiter of everything.

I see no possible difficulties whatsoever with this fool-proof plan.

Welcome to day five of every-bit-as-bad-as-you-thought-it-would-be.

The republican ‘Pastor’ of the House is an odious authoritarian little creep.

A tremendous foreign policy asset… to all of our adversaries.

Good lord, these people are nuts.

A norm that restrains only one side really is not a norm – it is a trap.

Democracy cannot function without a free press.

Red lights blinking on democracy’s dashboard

Weird. Rome has an American Pope and America has a Russian President.

They fucked up the fucking up of the fuckup!

We are aware of all internet traditions.

Tick tock motherfuckers!

How stupid are these people?

The fundamental promise of conservatism all over the world is a return to an idealized past that never existed.

T R E 4 5 O N

“The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits.”

“Everybody’s entitled to be an idiot.”

The Giant Orange Man Baby is having a bad day.

Nothing worth doing is easy.

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  1. 1.

    Yutsano

    On a personal note, my friend in Orlando got through the storm. She had a tree fall on her house but otherwise got out with a bunch of wild videos.

    I’m glad FEMA is rising to the occasion, as it were.

    EDIT: I BEAT BAUD!!!

  3. 3.

    BritinChicago

    I’ve always hated that line of Reagan’s that is quoted above. Just dumb, and because it misleads people, evil.

  5. 5.

    SpaceUnit

    The news crews should all get together and draw straws to see which one of them has to stand outside getting blown off their feet and pelted with rain and debris.

    All the others can stay dry and film it from inside their vans.

  6. 6.

    Jeffro

    Hurricane deniers/FEMA fablers should be staked out at the next estimated landfall site.

    More importantly, I think America’s going to need some sort of national all-channels (TV, radio, internet, podcasts) effort to start combatting disinfo of all types.  People need a source of truth and facts to turn to when times get tough, whether it’s an upcoming election or an impending Cat 5 hurricane.

    The mainstream media is just not getting it done.

  8. 8.

    SW

    Carrying water for Trump by any members of the media should be recognized as shameful by their peers.

  9. 9.

    Marleedog

     @Jeffro:

    I think America’s going to need some sort of national all-channels (TV, radio, internet, podcasts) effort to start combatting disinfo of all types

     

    I do not think that we want to go down the pathway of a Ministry of Truth.

     

    Rather let us educate better for critical thinking.

  10. 10.

    Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony

    I think we want to go down the path of limited legal liability for your platform spreading misinformation. That would clean the information sewers up

    I think exceptions can be made for low viewership. I think the liability has to be based on the degree of issues caused, like interfering with diaster management, sickening people with ‘alternative treatments’, or inciting violence

    I want stronger defamation laws, too.

  11. 11.

    Chet Murthy

    @Marleedog: Many people assume that a MiniTrue run by the government is a problem, but a MiniTrue run by private corporations is all good, no problem, nothing to see here.  You can’t educate yourself out of this problem: there will always be too many people who refuse the education or are too stupid for it to take.

  12. 12.

    Urza

    @Marleedog: Can’t educate out of it when people literally avoid the education.  They would homeschool their kids, and do now to some degree.  They train their children to only accept information from preferred sources and not to trust or even watch anything else.  And they certainly don’t teach them to read a variety of viewpoints so they can figure things out for themselves.

  14. 14.

    TBone

    From the family stories post recently, it just makes me giggle thinking about a little tyke muttering this under her breath when told not to touch a fascinating object.

    “Son of a bitch! I am going to touch it anyway!” 😆

  16. 16.

    TS

    Buttigieg is amazing – on with Chris Hayes now, discussing the misinformation, the good information & the situation with FEMA & funding.

    Now discussing the transport repairs that are needed.

  23. 23.

    Marleedog

    I will be glad when this Trumpism malignancy dies, and we can get back to the boring complacent evil the likes of Ted Cruz, Rand Paul and Skeletor.

  26. 26.

    rikyrah

    I went 10 rounds today with someone who had the nerve to say that they didn’t see the difference between the Vice President and the Orange Menace.

    Repeated all the Kamala is a cop who put thousands of Black men in jail bullshyt😠

    I went off.

    And told the woman, who is proud to be a new homeowner,  that the GOP wants to erase the 20th  Century and go back to an America before 1954 Brown..and where did she think it would leave her Black azz?😠😠😠

  27. 27.

    Scout211

    O/T

    U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkanon Thursday agreed to unseal additional filings from special counsel Jack Smith laying out his election interference case against former President Trump, something Trump’s attorneys signaled they plan to challenge.

    Chutkan agreed to a request from Smith to unseal exhibits that accompany his 180-page brief asserting that prosecutors can still bring much of their Jan. 6 case against Trump in the wake of a Supreme Court decision granting former presidents broad criminal immunity.

    . . .

    The court determines that the Government’s proposed redactions to the Appendix are appropriate, and that Defendant’s blanket objections to further unsealing are without merit. As the court has stated previously, ‘Defendant’s concern with the political consequences of these proceedings’ is not a cognizable legal prejudice,’” she wrote.

  30. 30.

    Frankensteinbeck

    Again, when Reagan said the “I’m from the government and I’m here to help”, context is essential.  To the audience he was speaking to, at the time he said it, they understood he meant “help black people.”  The federal government forced desegregation, came in and punished all kinds of small town brutal bigotries that before they’d been able to get away with.  Conservative voters were seething with hatred of the federal government because of it.

  31. 31.

    Citizen Alan

    @BritinChicago: The most important part of that line from Reagan is the two words he didn’t say.

    What he said out loud: The nine most frightening words in the english language are “I’m from the government, and i’m here to help.”

    What republicans heard: The nine most frightening words in the english language are “I’m from the government, and i’m here to help … Those People.“

  32. 32.

    ArchTeryx

    @Chet Murthy: That’s the one where NASA found out. And six of their best, along with one innocent civilian, died horribly. And who got scapegoated? The engineer whistleblower, of course.

    Some things never change.

  34. 34.

    Eolirin

    The hell is wrong with our press? Those questions were asinine. Like, even more so than usual.

  35. 35.

    ArchTeryx

    Here’s a question for the Jackals.

    What sort of thread might be most appropriate to rant about a peculiarity of furry fandom, something I’ve been a part of since (checks notes) 1989. It has its own politics, its own quirks, and yep, the entire Kamala vs. TCFG election splits us too (though most of us are pretty liberal, and most of us, being <25, don’t vote).

  36. 36.

    Marleedog

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    Conservative voters were seething with hatred of the federal government because of it. 

    To this very day.

    I guess we are not much talking about Milton, Helene seems to have wreaked more spectacular havoc

  37. 37.

    ArchTeryx

    @Eolirin: Sabotage. That simple. They want their anti-Harris narrative and they’ll never stop trying to get it. Biden’s kiss-off was just perfect. If it wasn’t his VP running, I wouldn’t have been surprised if he told the lot of them to fuck off.

  38. 38.

    TS

    @Scout211:

     ‘Defendant’s concern with the political consequences of these proceedings’ is not a cognizable legal prejudice,’” she wrote.

    Someone should explain this to the SCOTUS

  41. 41.

    Chet Murthy

    @ArchTeryx: I wanna say “every thread that has the words <<open thread>> in its title” ?  Maybe wait a decorous hour or so after the thread is posted, but after that, why not go ahead ?

  42. 42.

    KatKapCC

    @ArchTeryx:

    though most of us are pretty liberal, and most of us, being <25, don’t vote).

    Being liberal means absolutely nothing if you don’t vote.

  43. 43.

    Eolirin

    @ArchTeryx: I really don’t think that answers it. Those weren’t gotcha questions they could use to spin attacks on Harris. They were just… absurdly stupid.

  44. 44.

    West of the Rockies

    @rikyrah:

    👍 👍

    I did something similar with an old white fool last week (I’m white and addressed different issues, of course, but Trump is nobody’s friend but his own).

  45. 45.

    sdhays

    @Eolirin:

    Moron reporter: “Mr. President, have you considered calling Donald Trump and telling him to stop.”

    Biden: “Good god.”

    It was clearly just about all he could do to not go off on that guy.

  46. 46.

    ArchTeryx

    @KatKapCC: There’s a *BIG* get-out-the-vote drive going on right now, and one of my most respected artists – someone with a syndicated comic about her struggles with anxiety – recently posted about confronting someone who “didn’t want politics in his fandom.”

    ( Took Holly all of about 5 minutes to out him as a MAGAt, and man, when you piss off an artist.. )

  47. 47.

    Marleedog

    @Chet Murthy:

     

    I am not sure that you could post to Adam’s threads, even though he calls them open threads, but otherwise, sure, why not right here and right now?

    I will confess that I know virtually nothing of furriies, but,  like politics, that would not stop me from opining

  48. 48.

    Eolirin

    @sdhays: I just question how much brain damage you need to have to think that’s a good question to ask under these or really any circumstances. Like, what the actual fuck.

  49. 49.

    sdhays

    Also interesting – I skimmed over the name of the Republican Congresswoman praising Biden for taking her calls since I don’t know most of Florida’s Congressional delegation, but if you pay attention – it’s Anna Paulina Luna, the fabulist outdone only by George Santos.

    What a world.

  50. 50.

    J. Arthur Crank

    @HumboldtBlue:   I score that 9 out of 10.  She did not get the full amount of points because she did not go over to him and punch him in the neck after she finished speaking.

  51. 51.

    catclub

    @Scout211: and that Defendant’s blanket objections to further unsealing are without merit. As the court has stated previously, ‘Defendant’s concern with the political consequences of these proceedings’ is not a cognizable legal prejudice,’” she wrote.

     

    without merit! Ha! Ha!

  52. 52.

    sdhays

    @Eolirin: Yeah. Under what circumstances does someone ask a question like that to the President of the United States on national television and not find themselves fired before they get home?

  53. 53.

    Bill Arnold

    @TBone:

    “Son of a bitch! I am going to touch it anyway!”

    At one of the places I’ve worked, an interior office (re-)painting contractor used to tape a piece of paper labeled “Test Spot” with a dab of (usually latex; building was occupied) paint below it, next to the wall section with wet paint.
    This being a building with many scientists, it was necessary.

  54. 54.

    p.a.

    @Eolirin: I really don’t think that answers it. Those weren’t gotcha questions they could use to spin attacks on Harris. They were just… absurdly stupid.

     

     

    It’s a commonplace (here at B-Juice) that highschool newspaper reporters would do a better job than the national press, not to mention Seventeen mag and the like.  The winnowing process is to move up must be all fucked up.

  55. 55.

    WaterGirl

    @Scout211: Maybe delayed by a week, though?

    Full text you can’t see without clicking on twitter.

    BREAKING: Judge Chutkan has GRANTED Jack Smith’s redaction recommendations for the immunity brief Appendix, but also GRANTS Trump’s request to pause release of the Appendix for SEVEN DAYS so Trump can file his objections: likely in the form of Mandamus. Translation: The judge agrees with DoJ on redactions, but we won’t see the rest of the immunity brief for at least a week.

  58. 58.

    Dan B

    @rikyrah: Good job!  I know what it would be like for her.  Having lived in Jim Crow Arkansas where there was one black school with corrugated sheet metal siding and corrugated fiberglass panels for windows on pilings on a hillside.  It was freezing in winter and an oven in spring and fall.  There were two new white schools where we sang Dixie every morning.  Black people were never seen on main Street.  There was an open and active Klan.  I’m white and was horrified.  My gay ass would be in serious trouble.  This was almost a century after the Civil War, oops- The War of Northern Aggression.  The hatred is still there.  See: Huckabee Sanders.

  59. 59.

    Chief Oshkosh

    @Eolirin: That’s exactly what hit me the most, too. They are so, so, so FUCKING bad at their jobs. Every one of those shitbirds would’ve been slapping into next Tuesday for incompetency by my third grade teacher…and she was one of the NICE nuns.

  60. 60.

    Chet Murthy

    @Kayla Rudbek: two thoughts come to mind: first, people like Digby have already suggested criminalizing the spread of disinformation On social media and the internet about disasters and Public Safety events.  This is the obvious extension of slander and libel laws.  Second, Germany has pretty robust laws Prohibiting Kinds of speech that Attack the basis of German democracy.  Now there’s an obvious Rejoined to this which is that we don’t want to be prohibiting speech Because that will always lead to some kind of heavy-handed government intervention.  But in this world the heavy-handed intervention is coming from oligarchs.

    A friend once made a quip that I always remember: “The Economist never met a large sclerotic public bureaucracyIt liked, And it never met a large scleroticPrivate bureaucracy it didn’t like.”  Either we cut these large Private Corporations and oligarchs down to size, Or we need to regulate them.  To do neither Is to Simply give up our government to them.

    Freedom isn’t Freedom if Elon Musk has a quarter trillion dollars he can spend to influence the minds of our countrymen.

  62. 62.

    Chet Murthy

    @Bill Arnold: bill, I know there’s something funny about this, but… I’m just not getting it. I didn’t do the reading last night but could you please explain it please?  Sorry sorry, I really don’t get it and I really would like to get it.

  63. 63.

    Eolirin

    @Chet Murthy: We won’t be able to pass any laws like that without fixing the current Supreme Court, so while something like that is probably necessary, there’s a lot of space between where we are and being able to get it done.

  64. 64.

    Lyrebird

    @Frankensteinbeck: @Citizen Alan: Wow.  I have long hated Reagan’s actions and words, but I really wasn’t aware of that context of the slam on government helpers.  I had thought it was like the current stirring-up of negative rumors about FEMA, combined with thoughtless and callous disregard of anyone with a real problem.  I entirely believe you though, it sure fits.  Thank you for fixing that gap in my knowledge.

  66. 66.

    Chet Murthy

    @Eolirin: i agree with you on that, and hence continue to believe that the solution is steeply Progressive confiscatory taxation of wealth and income.  Impoverish the bastards sufficiently and they’ll stop trying to destroy our democracy.

  67. 67.

    Dan B

    @ArchTeryx: Do these young furries believe they won’t be seriously discriminated against by a MAGA administration / regime?  Maybe a little history of anti-LGBTQ and racist discrimination.  Emmett Till, the three young Civil Rights workers who were murdered?  There are stories of what happens when sadistic people are given free rein.  And there are stories of resistance and organizing people by having fun together and appealing to our love and empathy.

  68. 68.

    Chet Murthy

    @HumboldtBlue: ah, okay, from the description I thought it meant that somehow the scientists were going to touch the paper that said ” test spot” or something like that. And I didn’t understand what the heck was going on.

  69. 69.

    HinTN

    @Chet Murthy: Not a fan of this. However, there used to be an equal access law that was enforced. That’s the way to go. Restore what was removed, not create new, difficult to enforce criminality.

  70. 70.

    Bill Arnold

    @Chet Murthy:
    Scientists (and engineers/others) would touch the “Test Spot” to see if the paint was still wet, rather than touch the (possibly) wet paint on the wall.

  73. 73.

    Eolirin

    @HinTN: We very likely lack the legal framework to do that in enough of the places we’d need to, since that equal access law was predicated on the government’s ability to withdraw its leasing of public spectrum to broadcasters.

    With all of the fully private networks that are in place now, both through cable TV and the internet, we’d need something that pushed back the lines of the first amendment from where they currently are if we wanted something similar in effect

    We’d have more standing on extending libel and slander laws or incitement of violence, as those are existing carve outs. But we’d still need a court willing to go along with it.

  74. 74.

    Dan B

    @rikyrah: Also there are good stories of how Kamala made the justice system in California more equitable.  There are videos and stories.  I don’t have links but I believe it would be easy to find Frontline and stories from black media.

  75. 75.

    satby

    The renters from Finland evacuated from my mom’s bay front condo in St.Petersburg (yay) and returned this morning to very little damage, just a lot of wet. Definitely a vacation they won’t ever forget, riding out Helene, then running from Milton.

    And in other happy news, I just let indycat know that Blondie, the cat she rescued, has been adopted. He’s already snoozing in bed with his dads. 🥹

  76. 76.

    ArchTeryx

    @Dan B: The never think the leopards will eat THEIR face. Notably, most furry fans are young white men, even if a lot of them are LBGTQ+. The artists? They’re mostly young women, and they know exactly what’s at stake. The growing trans community does, too, and they’re the ones spearheading the get-out-the-vote among us weirdos.

    Apologies in advance for the Xhitter link, but it was in response to a pro-voting thread.

    https://x.com/BearHybrid/status/184383787060967879

    ( Also, there’s at least one fandom in joke in it. “Fox” is an Expy for the incels, creeps and other assorted idjits she’s had to deal with in decades of being an artist. )

  78. 78.

    ArchTeryx

    @Chet Murthy: Holly, aka BearHybrid, is one of the sweetest, nicest people you can ever meet, an Australian that emigrated to Canada and married her sweetheart there. Her comic, The Bear Minimum, has a small syndication contract on it. Really, though her character Holly, she has a great (and humourous) grasp on the vicissitudes of life.

    Her character is an anthropomorphic grizzly bear for a reason. Don’t piss her off, or you will find out.

    Let’s just say when she posted that comic I was all in on that thread. There’s still a (shrinking) furry community on Xhitter and every vote counts.

  79. 79.

    RevRick

    My wife just got word today that her oldest cousin lost her home in Helene. It was flooded out and rendered unlivable. As her younger sister related to my wife, “ being homeless at 80 and losing everything is tough.” Two years ago, COVID made her a widow.

  80. 80.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @ArchTeryx:

    furry fandom, something I’ve been a part of since (checks notes) 1989.

    That puts you back in anthropomorphics fandom before the word ‘furry’ came into wide use.  I have drifted farther and farther away over the years, but still, my issues of Albedo on the bookshelf behind me say “Hi.”

  82. 82.

    ArchTeryx

    @Frankensteinbeck: You mean I’m not the only weirdo jackal around here? Isn’t that a thing.

    I know the artist that drew Albedo back in the day, Steve Gallacci, and know a guy that’s been around longer than me that went by ErmaFelna. Back then, everyone knew everyone else, pretty much. This was 4 years before the World Wide Web and about 2 years before the first furry-themed convention came into being.

    Funny story about Jenora Feuer, aka ErmaFelna. I recently created a character from a race that one of the first furry-fandom artists, Ken Sample (our first POC, too) drew – in 1993. Once. It appeared in a fanzine and, like so much of the art from the pre-Web era, disappeared. I changed their features some, rebooted the species, and created a character in it.

    Sylia’s first picture wasn’t even out of the rough sketch stage when Erma piped up, “Isn’t that a [insert race name here]?” Outed, before I even had gotten started. 😂 I found out the hard way that day there are older dinosaurs than me floating around.

  83. 83.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @ArchTeryx:

    I found out recently that he’s still drawing Birthright at Radio Comix.  I need to get up the gumption to go see how it is, but touching anything I enjoyed forty years ago is scary.  Still, his ‘slice of life in a weird world’ was absolutely formative for me and my books.

    EDIT – I am an older dinosaur than you.  Not by a lot, but the fandom isn’t much older than that!

  85. 85.

    mrmoshpotato

    @SpaceUnit:

    The news crews should all get together and draw straws to see which one of them has to stand outside getting blown off their feet and pelted with rain and debris.

    All the others can stay dry and film it from inside their vans.

    And then demand why Dump didn’t stop both burricanes by grabbing them by the pussy.

  90. 90.

    ArchTeryx

    So, the politics of fandom, and a short break from the neverending horrors of the world.

    I commission a lot of art. Some of it is around a particular theme that, while SFW, is closely associated with a kink within furry fandom. So commissioning SFW-only artists for it can be… dicey. I read Terms of Service and Will/Won’t Draw lists closely. But Nicnak’s TOS was… a little hazy on this theme.

    So I asked ErmaFelma about it. He’s a dinosaur older than me, and quite familiar with Nicnak the artist. He though it was perfectly fine, and said she’d seen her draw this theme before. So I took my chances and asked her to draw one of this theme.

    This happened: https://youtu.be/ABdwgZLjtk0?si=57WoJwW8Bnmpn2Yu

    I always, always, respect an artist when they nix a proposal – no means no, after all, and you don’t want an artist uncomfortable with your theme to draw it. Nobody wins then.

    But ErmaFelna has some ‘splainin’ to do. I don’t enjoy being shot down hard like that, because it means I proposed something far out of bounds. That’s awkward for me, and for the artist. And EF was just plain dead wrong about what this artist was and wasn’t willing to do. Getting my proposal called a kink piece and pointed to the TOS that I already read did not help, but since 95% of people in this fandom are young men that want nothing more in the world than to Get Some, it’s an easy assumption to make and I got tarred with it.

    Oy. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, and sometimes you end up with egg all over your face. Guess I’ll be double-checking any advice I get from ErmaFela from now on!

  94. 94.

    Shalimar

    @Marleedog: Adam calls them open threads because he is fine with people talking about other topics in them.  It is the regular posters who have decided Ukraine is too serious a topic for the type of joking that we do everywhere else.

  96. 96.

    wjca

    @Chet Murthy: Impoverish the bastards sufficiently and they’ll stop trying to destroy our democracy.

    Tommy rot!  They won’t stop trying.  It will just reduce their capacity to succeed.

  98. 98.

    ArchTeryx

    @wjca: Quite severely. There’s a reason we’ve been warned for centuries about the corruptive influence of inherited, ever-increasing wealth. Get rid of a lot of that… and they have far less power to destroy our democracy.

  100. 100.

    karen marie

    @Marleedog: Don’t hold your breath.  I thought when Obama was elected, things would calm down after the insanity of the Shrub admin. It only got worse. Count on it to get more insane post-November, no matter which way the votes fall.

  102. 102.

    Chet Murthy

    @karen marie: @Marleedog: In Barbara F. Walter’s book on civil wars, she posits a scenario where Harris is  inaugurated, and there’s an outburst of assassinations and bombings all over the country.  Her book is excellent reading, covering all manner of civil wars including what happened in Bosnia and Ireland, as well as elsewhere.  She provides a framework for understanding what’s happening here, what fuels it, and hence why it won’t die down after TCFG is gone.

    Sigh.

  103. 103.

    Betty Cracker

    One of my MAGA aunts who lives in a midwestern state texted earlier to find out how we were doing after the storm. I said we were okay but still without power, and she assured me our “great” governor would soon have it restored. I should have let that go because it was kind of her to inquire after our wellbeing. But I did not and gave her my unvarnished opinion of Puddin’ Boots. She’ll probably go back to not speaking to me now, lol. We didn’t speak for years because she and her husband (my late mom’s brother) quarreled, and I took my mom’s side. Oh well.

  106. 106.

    TS

    @Betty Cracker:

    I have to say something in current times – I’ve been told “all about the Biden Crime Family”, “the absolute sin of abortion (and we pray for those who are raped)” and “white people are losing their rights” – and this is outside of the USA.

    My sister and I have learned to never speak about our political views if we want to hold onto a semblance of a relationship.

    In years past we could have political discussions that didn’t end in hate – those times appear to be long gone.

  107. 107.

    strange visitor (from another planet)

    @TS: donny nappleseed lives in a golden penthouse and tried to overthrow democracy on national TV, but it’s the dude who took the train to work for forty years who is running an international crime family?

    umm, whut?

  108. 108.

    Gloria DryGarden

    @Jeffro: yes! An all channels anti mis information piece, on the regular, would be incredible. With laws for accurate reporting required. No faux news.

    im back on Facebook, countering stupid conspiracy lying posts as best I can, so the lurkers at least see an alternative, a stern firm counter to the bs.

    I’m hoping to avoid flame wars, by ignoring the range of stupid attacking mean replies I may get.

    I enjoyed your suggestion of deniers staked out at the landfall locations.

  110. 110.

    strange visitor (from another planet)

    @TS: did they hear him saying those things from his bathroom, surrounded by stolen, top secret documents?

  113. 113.

    Gloria DryGarden

    @Chet Murthy: I wonder if heather would explain the book to us in simple terms. I’m not ready to read such a thing. I might explode from the extra anxiety.

  114. 114.

    TBone

    The FCC Chairwoman called out the DeathSantis admin. for their blatant attempt to block this abortion rights TV ad and threat to the station.

    Our new ad, “Caroline,” is airing across Florida starting today. Her story reminds us of what’s at stake under the abortion ban. Help us make a change—vote Yes on Amendment 4 to limit government interference in our healthcare decisions. #YesOn4

    FCC statement and TV ad at link

    https://crooksandliars.com/2024/10/no-desantis-you-cant-prosecute-ad-you-dont

    “The right of broadcasters to speak freely is rooted in the First Amendment,” Rosenworcel said in a statement. “Threats against broadcast stations for airing content that conflicts with the government’s views are dangerous and undermine the fundamental principle of free speech.”

    (Freedom of Press Foundation says:)

    A governor who is confident in his policies and secure in his leadership would welcome debate and correct statements he believes are misleading rather than trying to weaponize trash disposal laws against the free press.”

    “But DeSantis is not that governor. His administration’s conduct would be silly if it weren’t such a transparent bully tactic,” he added. “Floridians care about the First Amendment, which is why DeSantis’ outrageous censorship campaigns keep failing. We hope the news outlets he targets will not only ignore him but loudly shame him.”

  115. 115.

    TBone

    @Bill Arnold: 😆 they should have taped up a picture of Dennis the Menace.  I frequently have to shout “DENNIS, NO!” at my hubby because he just cannot resist touching what is better left alone. I guess that’s why this child’s words resonate!

  117. 117.

    Kosh III

    @Marleedog:I do not think that we want to go down the pathway of a Ministry of Truth.

    Also don’t need the Ministry of Peace and NightWatch.

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