Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

I am pretty sure these ‘journalists’ were not always such a bootlicking sycophants.

Russian mouthpiece, go fuck yourself.

Bad people in a position to do bad things will do bad things because they are bad people. End of story.

A snarling mass of vitriolic jackals

rich, arrogant assholes who equate luck with genius

Republicans do not trust women.

Marge, god is saying you’re stupid.

These are not very smart people, and things got out of hand.

Narcissists are always shocked to discover other people have agency.

Reality always lies in wait for … Democrats.

How stupid are these people?

If you don’t believe freedom is for everybody, then the thing you love isn’t freedom, it is privilege.

The next time the wall street journal editorial board speaks the truth will be the first.

The current Supreme Court is a dangerous, rogue court.

Many life forms that would benefit from greater intelligence, sadly, do not have it.

No offense, but this thread hasn’t been about you for quite a while.

Since we are repeating ourselves, let me just say fuck that.

When we show up, we win.

We can show the world that autocracy can be defeated.

fuckem (in honor of the late great efgoldman)

The snowflake in chief appeared visibly frustrated when questioned by a reporter about egg prices.

They punch you in the face and then start crying because their fist hurts.

Those who are easily outraged are easily manipulated.

Also, are you sure you want people to rate your comments?

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In a more narratively coherent timeline, strange omens & portents would have more weight, but alas the Trickster God is a lazy scripter. And yet!

Norman Desmond, live(ish) on stage.

And then there was the (In the General Vicinity of) Coachella rally this weekend…


In the blockbuster movie version, Vem Miller gets his name above the title, and a series of cameos as he preps for the Big Climax…


America, like sh*t, Happens!!!

…Vem had just exposed a huge Deep State cover-up involving the Feds and the Bundy Ranch scandal. So I firmly believe this is 100% some kind of set-up in retribution for exposing it. That, or Trump’s security team is a bunch of dipshits trying to make up for how badly they failed in Pennsylvania with any kind of “win” they can get, fake or not.

There isn’t a universe his intention was to kill Trump, he’s worked too hard in this movement to expose the Deep State and all the people against him. If he had guns in his car that were illegal, whooptie-fucking do. As a pro-2A advocate, ask me if I give a shit about a good guy with a gun in an unsafe shithole like California. It doesn’t even make sense why his passes would be fake either when we’re both usually invited as media to these things.

And I’d love to see exactly what this “threat” was he made about Trump…..because I don’t believe he said it. I just know it’s going to be the most misconstrued bullshit thing ever when I finally hear, assuming they even ever tell us.

This is the anti-Deep State documentary we did that they’re probably targeting him for, where we actually suspected they killed our whistleblower over it….it’s that damning to this illegitimate government: https://rumble.com/v5e9k6a-bundy-vs.-deep-state-an-original-america-happens-documentary.html

We were also working on a sequel to my Las Vegas shooting cover-up doc as well, which might be another reason why someone would target him for this….. https://rumble.com/v266as0-conspiracy-truths-the-route-91-documentary.html

Either way, I stand by Vem Miller….and I will get to the bottom of this bullshit. Watch me.

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  4. 4.

    Chet Murthy

    @SpaceUnit: i have no idea what the words mean, don’t understand language, but the young lady’s rendition get stuff moving in my intestines.  I mean that in a good way of course not a bad way, a good way.  Really gives you the chills.  Thank you for this!

  6. 6.

    ColoradoGuy

    Weirdly enough, this incident humanizes him … ever so slightly. He likes music! That’s news to me.

    His mind is going, with frontal lobe dysfunction becoming more and more obvious. He’s able to repeat FoxNews chyrons, but not able to follow through a lengthy train of thought. Even simple questions were wearing him down. And this is the first public instance of a complete shut-down, probably due to heat and fatigue. His crazy manic energy (or Adderall) ain’t gonna last forever.

  9. 9.

    mrmoshpotato

    @ColoradoGuy:

    Weirdly enough, this incident humanizes him … ever so slightly. He likes music! That’s news to me. 

    Or maybe Dump just really likes jerking off two invisible penises.

  10. 10.

    JPL

    Will the MSM mention mention this incident?  Let’s hope but it’s doubtful.  I’m not  going to wait until January 5th to vote, since the polls open here in a few hours.   Son will pick me up at 6:30.

  11. 11.

    patrick II

    Four years ago at Mt. Rushmore he did the same thing.  He did not pay for return buses to the parking lot which was some miles away.  His fans got pretty cold on the walk back but I guess still loved him after.

  15. 15.

    Balconesfault

    I never feared Biden slipping into dementia… and I am still convinced he’s far from there no matter how f***ing Dana Carvey wants to portray him … because I know Biden would willingly cede power if he thought he was losing it.

    but a President Trump slipping into dementia, with the new immunity superpower for the President, will give this country just what it deserves if he wins.

  16. 16.

    Chet Murthy

    @Balconesfault: i think it’s worse than you say: i think Biden is going to execute his office perfectly competently Just as he has for the last 3 and 1/2 years already, until the morning of January 20th at which point he will hand it off to his successor.  And none of these media humps that have stoked this Firestorm to drive him out will ever everApologizeFor their  Perfidy in trying to destroy the man.  He’s going to show that they were completely wrong And it will mean nothing to them. Nothing.

  18. 18.

    lowtechcyclist

    @Ruckus: ​
     

    I’ve always heard it “good riddance to bad rubbish” for the alliteration and stuff like that.

    How’s the media covering this? I mean, even given the season pass they’ve given Trump, this is really so far out of the ordinary, you’d think they’d have to start saying out loud that this ambulatory pile of crap belongs nowhere near the White House.

  20. 20.

    Quinerly

    @patrick II:

    The chick who cuts my hair has lost her mother to the Trump cult. Mother is about my age. Lives in Florida. Has a poster of Trump, all muscled up (for lack of a better description), framed, in her bedroom. First thing she sees when she sits up in the AM. I guess it could be worse…at least it’s not thumb tacked on the ceiling over her bed.

  21. 21.

    Quinerly

    @JPL:

    Cray, cray.

    I’ll bring my comment over from downstairs. I saw the play list and wondered what versions he was using and whether he had permission. Leonard Cohen (RIP) would kick his mother fucker ass. I would pay to watch. Per opiejeanne he is using Sinead’s version on the Prince song…..I commented back:

    “I figured they were using her version. I assume we all know that Prince wrote it mid 80’s and had his version. Out of curiosity, do you know off hand which Hallelujah they are using? Leonard Cohen would be furious. (Adored that man).

    The misappropriation of music is so defining of Trump…he and his crew just think they can just take what they want, that’s not theirs, and do with it as they please. …music, women, the country.”

  22. 22.

    JPL

    Noem said Sir, don’t you want to play that special song?   A confused trump said what song?    So she was fird up and ready to go in case he had a meltdown.    Wow    Can’t wait for the dozen of articles about trump’s age to appear on the NYTimes front page.

  23. 23.

    mrmoshpotato

    @JPL: What’s Dump gonna do when he gets tired of screaming crap – not jerk off two invisible penises for 40 minutes? :)

  25. 25.

    lowtechcyclist

    Even though they deserve to be pointed and laughed at, I can’t help but feel sorry for all those people stranded out in the desert for hours.

    I can only hope that this will not only wake them up to the realization that this demented idiot isn’t their savior, but maybe even some of those who weren’t there will finally get a clue.

  27. 27.

    TBone

    Heather Cox Richardson ain’t never lied to me.  I saw some comments yesterday saying this story is a conspiracy theory on our side, but here it is, directly from Heather:

    News broke yesterday that the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) had advised federal emergency workers to evacuate Rutherford County, North Carolina, which was hit hard by Hurricane Helene, because of concerns about their safety after Trump and MAGA Republicans spread the false rumor that federal agents are forcing people off their land to start lithium mining projects. The alert came after the U.S. Forest Service sent an email to federal responders saying that National Guard troops had encountered armed militia saying they were “hunting FEMA.” FEMA officials will no longer go door-to-door with disaster assistance, but instead will stay in fixed locations.

    WTF

  29. 29.

    bobbo

    Is it me or his TFG’s face looking ever oranger than usual?  Like, burnt orange, really repulsive.

  30. 30.

    TBone

    @Quinerly: my rumpy neighbors’ son has his entire bedroom covered in rump poster, photos, and littered with rump merch everywhere.  It is literally a shrine.  We know this because we’d been asked to care for the house when they were away.  Looking at that shrine to stupidity and avarice will absolutely turn the stomach if you’re not in the cult.  I mean, it is this kid’s entire identity, literally.  He purchased a small fortune’s worth of red ball caps and flags on top of that.  One day, he complained to me when he found out everything he’d purchased is made in China 😆

  31. 31.

    eclare

    @bobbo:

    Plus he isn’t blending the bronzer at all.  The makeup lines on his face have become really stark.  A twelve year old girl new to makeup could do a better job.

  33. 33.

    Ramalama

    Trump listening to Sinead. I thought he hated her after she ripped up a photo of the Pope live on Saturday night live. Joining in after Frank Sinatra and other blowhards went after her. Huh.

  34. 34.

    TBone

    Also from Heather Cox Richardson:

    The Fox News Channel is scheduled to tape a town hall with Trump in front of an audience of women on Tuesday. It is supposed to air on Wednesday morning, while the Harris interview will air Wednesday night.

    This oughta be great, how many different ways will he insult half of the U.S. population is my question.  He’s made a middle of the night post calling for VP Harris to take a cognitive test.  So we know he knows he’s losing it

  36. 36.

    MagdaInBlack

    @TBone: Did you catch their post about how 5 Below is a satanic cult front? If not, say good bye to those remaining brain cells.

  37. 37.

    lowtechcyclist

    @Quinerly: ​
     

    For what it is worth, ABC, NBC, WaPo have stories up.

    The WaPo, fwiw:

    Trump’s decision to cut short the question-and-answer portion of the town hall and instead have the crowd stay to listen to his favorite songs was a somewhat bizarre move, given that the election was only 22 days away. It also comes as Vice President Kamala Harris has called Trump, 78, unstable and called into question his mental acuity.

    “A somewhat bizarre move” – no shit, Sherlock!

    And trust me, you fucking idiots at the WaPo, MVP is far from the only person who’s “called into question his mental acuity.” Hell, anyone with a lick of sense figures that question’s been repeatedly answered by now.

  38. 38.

    Baud

    Via reddit

    The actual reason trump supporters got stranded

    I know multiple people that worked there that night as bus drivers. The real reason they stopped shuttling them was for safety. One of the male drivers was punched in the face and had to go to the hospital and one of the female drivers had someone spit on her (ironically she’s a huge trump supporter.) They were all apparently pounding on the bus windows and just generally out of control but I guess that’s what happens when you go to a hate rally

  40. 40.

    TBone

    @MagdaInBlack: nope, I can only handle so much at one time.  But I’ll look into that in a bit, we have a 5 Below in Selinsgrove, near a Donold merchandise store that popped up a few months ago.  I was gonna go into that merch store because I suspect it’s all old merch from the days of yore when he was running against President Biden that they’re stuck with. Bargain Basement is what I suspect, but I decided I would not be safe in such a place because of my loud guffawing, pointing, and mockery.

    Now I can safely go into 5 Below (just kidding, their stuff is blech).

  42. 42.

    TBone

    @Marmel

    23s
    “I love this for Kristi Noem.
    Absolutely love it.
    It’s like she’s sitting there holding the mop waiting to clean up the mess of a bathroom when the bar closes.
    Just… sweet, delicious karma”

  43. 43.

    Betty Cracker

    @Baud: I detest Rogan and am appalled that his horrible shtick might be legitimized by a major party candidate interview. That said, this election may come down to the meathead vote, and Rogan’s audience is probably the richest vein of meatheads out there. So it’s kinda like Willie Sutton’s explanation for targeting banks.

  44. 44.

    TBone

    @Baud: at this point, I suspect no more live viewing of Donold will be aired on that channel.  WaPo covered the dance party in a truthful way, I am given to understand (I only saw screenshot/xit and did not click).

    ETA I see LowTech has quoted from it.  Good!

  46. 46.

    TBone

    @Betty Cracker: me too.

    Is Russell Brand next up? *shudders

    I read he is selling expensive woo amulets now but have forgotten which evil they supposedly ward off.

    ETA it wards off WiFi signal 😆

  47. 47.

    Baud

    @Betty Cracker:

    Someone on reddit said it would be a good place to push her pot legalization views. I think between this and Fox, she must feel like she has the decent people’s vote locked down, and she’s trying to expand. It’s definitely a boss move.

    I too wish we could get where we want to go with our own people. But after 16 years of effort, I no longer believe that’s possible. The future is one of compromise and accommodation.

  48. 48.

    p.a

    Too bad tRump’s in such bad physical shape: if he could do enough rallies, eventually ALL his supporters would be arrested on gun charges.

  52. 52.

    Elizabelle

    @lowtechcyclist:  So now Trump is hosting raves?

    And yeah.  I tire of the “Democrats say” pose the MSM hides behind.  It’s not just Democrats; it’s sane people.  But they can count on some (MSM trained) derision at “Democrats” and what any of them have to say.

    Now to read the WaPost account for any other gems, as it were.

  54. 54.

    Shalimar

    @ColoradoGuy: Trump is a big fan of show tunes but is leading an anti-LGBTQ movement despite most of the lyricists for his favorite musicals having been gay men.  It may humanize him, but he’s still a garbage human.

  56. 56.

    Liminal Owl

    @lowtechcyclist:

    I can only hope that this will not only wake them up to the realization that this demented idiot isn’t their savior, but maybe even some of those who weren’t there will finally get a clue.

    No.  This is classic cult-building (or -maintaining) technique: isolate the followers and put them in conditions of physical stress (temperature, exhaustion, etc).  They bond to the group (more) closely, become more wary of outsiders, and lose frontal-lobe capacities.

    (I feel a little sorry for them… but in the way I feel for an addict not in recovery: they knew at some point what manure pile they were getting into, and chose—to the extent that they still had rationality and free will—to keep going instead of turning around and heading in the opposite direction.)

  57. 57.

    TBone

    Diwali will now be an official State Holiday in Pennsylvania (no business or school closures required).

  58. 58.

    Elizabelle

    In much happier news:  at this very moment, two new panda overlords are airborne, from Chengdu to Anchorage to Dulles.  DC’s National Zoo-bound pandas are on the move!  Due to arrive via their special Fedex jet about 9:55 am.  Flight catered with bamboo.

    WaPost:

    Two giant pandas on their way from China to D.C.’s National Zoo

    Giant pandas Qing Bao and Bao Li, both 3 years old, won’t be on display for at least several weeks.

    Just under a year after the last giant pandas left the national’s capital, fans of the black-and-white bears are eagerly awaiting Qing Bao, a 3-year-old female, and Bao Li, a 3-year-old male. Their arrival will mark the continuation of a beloved animal conservation program in Washington that goes back more than a half-century.

    The zoo has been mum about the pandas’ travel plans for security reasons, but it posted on X on Monday afternoon that “something giant is coming.”

    The bears are being transported on a FedEx Boeing 777 cargo jet nicknamed the “Panda Express” from Chengdu, China. FedEx also did not disclose details of the trip but said on X on Monday that the Panda Express was “on the move.” A FedEx cargo jet from Chengdu via Anchorage is scheduled to arrive at Dulles International Airport at 9:55 a.m. Tuesday, according to FlightAware, a website that tracks air traffic.

    The government-run China Wildlife Conservation Association said that the bears were given a final health check before departing, and that veterinarians and zookeepers would escort them. In addition to the bamboo, they said Chinese cornbread, water and medicine were packed for the trip.

    The zoo will be closed Tuesday for the bears’ arrival, and once they move in, it will be at least several weeks before they are on display for the public. But if all goes well, zoo-goers in Washington will soon be able to watch a new generation of the beloved bears grow from adolescence to adulthood, and maybe produce some giant panda cubs along the way.

  61. 61.

    Jeffg166

    Maybe Harris should do this with her interview on FAUX. Stand there and sway to music. Wonder what the legacy media would say about that?

  62. 62.

    hells littlest angel

    @JPL: trump will be talking to the Economic Club of Chicago later today.

     

    Good. Illinois is another state he has no hope of winning.

  65. 65.

    TBone

    I just read in the Inquirer that Donold and VP Harris will be in Pennsylvania every day this week.  One of them is welcome.  I hope the other has a plane crash with him as the only fatality.

  68. 68.

    TBone

    @Elizabelle: I miss the bioidenticals that used to keep me feeling young.  But the risks outweighed that, for me.

    The only time I want to hear from the cult or its leader on this topic is never.  Is never good for them?  It’s written in on my calendar in indelible ink.

  71. 71.

    A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan)

    @Shalimar: I love that YMCA is an unironic part of his playlist, but he doesn’t care it’s about gay men cruising for a good time? It’s got a catchy tune, I’ll give him that.

  72. 72.

    Betty Cracker

    @Baud: Holy shit, what a bush league move! It’s baffling because there’s plenty of actual storm debris he could use for a photo op.

    The debris in my yard is off limits, of course — I’d set my 20 and 27-lb dogs on the creepy, mopey weirdo if he showed up.

    But everything about that staged scene is wrong. Looks like a busy street on a normal day! WTF?

  74. 74.

    Betty Cracker

    Ted Cruz sounds panicky: (The Hill)

    Cruz calls out McConnell-aligned group for not spending ‘a penny’ in Texas
    Texas Sen. Ted Cruz (R) vented his frustration with the Senate Leadership Fund, a super PAC aligned with Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.), for not spending any money in his competitive reelection race, accusing McConnell of using the group to “punish” his critics in the Senate GOP conference.

    The hairy sack of desiccated pond scum will likely be reelected because Texas, but Ted’s tantrum could be a preview of the MAGA vs. traditional GOP bagman war to come after Trump fades.

  76. 76.

    Princess

    “Say goodnight, Donald.”

    ”Goodnight Donald.”

    Haha, Donald in a taped Town Hall on Fox. The women will be carefully selected and the weird bits will be cut.

    Im glad Harris is doing Fox and maybe Rogan. She’ll do great. They’re not smart enough to trap her, and she’ll be able to speak to people who have never let themselves listen to her — and their wives.

  77. 77.

    lowtechcyclist

    @Baud: ​
     

    Well, I’m feeling a good deal less sorry now for all those stranded people. Maybe let’s strand them at Gitmo next time.

  79. 79.

    Princess

    @Baud: For the assholes I know who vote Stein, defeating Democrats is a feature not a bug. “Maybe NOW they’ll listen to us!!!”

  80. 80.

    lowtechcyclist

    @Shalimar: ​
     

    Trump is a big fan of show tunes but is leading an anti-LGBTQ movement despite most of the lyricists for his favorite musicals having been gay men. It may humanize him, but he’s still a garbage human.

    Since Trump doesn’t give a fuck about actual human beings, he’s leading an anti-LGBTQ movement because that’s where the votes are. He doesn’t give a fuck about evangelicals either, but a veteran con man can recognize a large group of very gullible people from miles away, and that’s exactly what he did.

  81. 81.

    MagdaInBlack

    I see Kamala played a clip of trump and his “enemies within” threat at her rally in Erie. Good.

  86. 86.

    lowtechcyclist

    @eclare: ​
     

    So Ron spoke on the side of a road? In front of garbage?

    You can be beside yourself, but I don’t think he can be in front of himself.

  90. 90.

    What Have The Romans Ever Done for Us?

    Really can’t understand why him going completely senile isn’t the biggest news topic bar none. Also why isn’t anyone out there saying he has to do interviews and press conferences where he proved he’s still with it non-stop the Biden was forced to?

    Biden is proving regularly that he’s still with it. His press briefings on the hurricane relief efforts proved that. For a while it seemed like TCFG’s age was going to be a campaign issue but then it disappeared as he’s gotten progressively less fit over the course of a couple months. Just tired of a total and complete double standard about every fucking thing that never, ever gets corrected.

  91. 91.

    Ohio Mom

    I went into a 5 Below store once. My impression was, “If only I was ten year old girl with my newly paid allowance, I’d go nuts in here.”

    We here are not the target audience.

  95. 95.

    3Sice

    They are going to try and hide him on AM Fox. If they can edit it down to some usable bits.

    It is well past time for Big Media to tuck in two scoops to some Cats original cast soundtrack.

  98. 98.

    Ohio Mom

    The goofballs in the Trump cult are not as scary to me as the money men salivating over having JD Vance take over the Oval Office once Trump finishes falling apart.

    Vance will obediently do their bidding and I find that possibility absolutely horrifying.

    But I also find making fun of the cultists amusing.

  102. 102.

    jlowe

    I’m starting to wonder if this is the scenario:

    Spread electoral slime to lube Trump into the White House.

    25th Amendment him.

    President Vance!

    I also wonder if this story isn’t getting elevated due to a loss of journalistic courage on the part of legacy media.

    Of course, it’s early here and I also could be imagining things.

  104. 104.

    lowtechcyclist

    @Princess: ​
     

    For the assholes I know who vote Stein, defeating Democrats is a feature not a bug. “Maybe NOW they’ll listen to us!!!”

    Do they stop to ask themselves when that would matter? (No.) If they succeed, we can all argue political theory with each other in the gulag.

  107. 107.

    3Sice

    Politico is poking Jim Justice with a stick. He isn’t showing up for work in Charleston, and not likely to show up in D.C. either.

    I guess the mostly buried lede is he is in “poor health”.

  108. 108.

    Another Scott

    @Baud: That at least sounds plausible and fits known facts.

    I saw a bloot somewhere that claimed there were no return buses because they all ran out of fuel and there was none available anywhere in the area.  Sure…

    I’m not a fan of laughing when people are swindled and taken advantage of.  The crooks need to be punished.  But people in his cult do bear some responsibility for what happens to themselves…

    Forward!!

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  109. 109.

    lowtechcyclist

    @Ohio Mom: ​
     

    I went into a 5 Below store once. My impression was, “If only I was ten year old girl with my newly paid allowance, I’d go nuts in here.”

    We here are not the target audience.

    My wife, who turns 60 this Sunday*, absolutely loves Five Below. It doesn’t really do much for me – not much of their stuff is something I’d pay five bucks for.

    I’m more Dollar Tree, they’ve got lots of stuff that’s worth taking a chance on at $1.25, and there are things I actually stock up on there, like Kraft mac&cheese, and boxes of tissues. Also an excellent selection of snack food.

    *No, I’m not secretly Doug Emhoff, but he and I do have this in common. :-)

  111. 111.

    NorthLeft

    I hope none of those people are waiting for any admission of failure or an apology from Trump or his team of incompetent lickspittles. That wait will make their wait for a bus out of that shithole seem like the blink of an eye.

  114. 114.

    JML

    @jlowe: It does seem to be the fantasy of the tech bros that own JD. Get him across the line as VP, then either wait for TFG to die or use the 25th against him, then enact their Bro Paradise where special tech billionaires don’t have to pay taxes, get loads of government contracts to do whatever they want, and get to do all the drugs they want.

  115. 115.

    lowtechcyclist

    @Baud: ​
     

    It’s necessary for them to do this to preserve the status quo. It sucks, but it is what it is.

    The only problem with that theory is that if Trump wins, we can all kiss the status quo goodbye forever.

  116. 116.

    Baud

    @Chief Oshkosh:

    One speculative theory I have is that, since a substantial number of liberals are mental slaves to the NYT, the NYT’s whining about how Harris wasn’t doing tough interviews was gaining traction among Dems, so in a boss move, she’s bypassing the NYT and going straight into the most hostile environments possible.

  117. 117.

    The Thin Black Duke

    @Chief Oshkosh: If I’m standing on the top of a six-story building and the guy next to me says, “Gravity doesn’t exist” and tells me to jump, I’m going to say to him: “You first.” What’s the difference between this scenario and fucking injecting bleach as a cure to COVID? I don’t have sympathy for these batshit crazy people anymore, sorry.

  120. 120.

    Chief Oshkosh

    @lowtechcyclist: Thanks for the excerpts; I don’t subscribe to an of the rags anymore.

    It appears that they totally watered down the story. There’s two aspects that are just deadly to a candidate. First, Trump being Trump, he more or less made fun of the audience members who fainted, then got pissy with them, then went with the music. Completely disqualifying. Plus, the same thing happened with Walz at an early rally and he stopped the proceedings, directed first responders to the person, and handled the whole thing like an empathetic adult.

    The other aspect of the Trump 39-minute music zone out was that HE FUCKING ZONED OUT FOR 39 MINUTES, live on TV! Goddamn, WaPo, how is THAT not THE story for the rest of the campaign????!!!

  122. 122.

    Betty Cracker

    @Princess: I have a “just win, baby” outlook on this election, so if going on Fox News and Rogan’s show helps the campaign, okay. But I think there’s a cost to it that we should acknowledge as part of the deal. It lends legitimacy to outlets that cause grave harm. Fox News and Rogan go a long way toward explaining why we’re in this predicament, i.e., a coin-flip away from putting an incoherent, manifestly unfit dementia patient in charge of the world’s most fearsome nuclear arsenal.

  123. 123.

    Chief Oshkosh

    @Betty Cracker: I’ve been writing postcards for Allred for the last couple of weeks. It’s fun. I include one good thing about Allred (e.g., he supports a woman’s right to make her own decisions about her own health) and one snarky bit about Ted (e.g., Vote Allred for Senate! Give Ted more time on those Cancun beaches!).

    I mix and match with other deep thoughts like that.

    ETA: I also add the early voting dates and that Nov 5 is Election Day. Apparently Trump is telling supporters that it’s January 5. I guess the Space Lasers are doing their job.

  125. 125.

    lowtechcyclist

    @Chief Oshkosh: ​

    The other aspect of the Trump 39-minute music zone out was that HE FUCKING ZONED OUT FOR 39 MINUTES, live on TV! Goddamn, WaPo, how is THAT not THE story for the rest of the campaign????!!!

    I know!!! I mean, it’s one thing to be an asshole with no social skills. It’s possible for such a person to more or less competently run the country. We survived Nixon, after all.
    But dementia is turning Trump into a blithering idiot right before our eyes, and yes, this should be the biggest story every day for the next three weeks, dammit!!!​

  128. 128.

    AWOL

    @lowtechcyclist: Sorry? They’re trying to kill everything and anything that’s decent. I’m glad they’re willing to feed the scorpions. Scorpions have more souls than these dregs.

  129. 129.

    jlowe

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: A civil war inside the White House between Trump and Vance operatives? This seems like the kind of juicy, fact-free speculation that’s made for Politico.

  130. 130.

    lowtechcyclist

    @BritinChicago:

    Yeah, if Trump had kicked the bucket or needed to be 25th’ed when Pence was VP, Pence would have been bad, but he’d have been bad within traditional limits.  Vance OTOH, it’s Katy bar the door. Especially now that a GOP President is above the law.

  131. 131.

    The Audacity of Krope

    @Betty Cracker: if going on Fox News and Rogan’s show helps the campaign, okay. But I think there’s a cost to it that we should acknowledge as part of the deal. It lends legitimacy to outlets that cause grave harm.

    I tend to agree with this. The simple fact of the matter, though, is this problem exists with basically all the national media.  None of them are exactly covering themselves in glory these days, it’s another substance.

    I had something of a realization visiting my parents last weekend.  Fox News actually does a better job of informing people of D policy initiatives than the other networks, even if only to slime them. For example, I would not know that Michigan is offering free community college without Fox News.

    Every editorial comment around the discussion of the policy was horrifying, granted, but it was nice for once to have an outlet drawing attention to a simple act of governing. FOR ONCE…

  133. 133.

    Baud

    @The Audacity of Krope:

    Good point. I didn’t know that. I wonder how many libs yapping about politics on social media did. There’s something really wrong with a lot of libs that they have a mental barrier that prevents them from being advocates (except in the weeks before an election).

  136. 136.

    lowtechcyclist

    @AWOL: ​
     

    Scorpions have more souls than these dregs.

    They’re still motherfucking human beings, no matter what.

    I will not join the other side in dehumanizing our adversaries.

    Pratchett:

    “And sin, young man, is when you treat people as things. Including yourself. That’s what sin is.
    “It’s a lot more complicated than that . . .”
    “No. It ain’t. When people say things are a lot more complicated than that, they means they’re getting worried that they won’t like the truth. People as things, that’s where it starts.”
    “Oh, I’m sure there are worse crimes . . .”
    “But they starts with thinking about people as things . . . ”

  139. 139.

    lowtechcyclist

    @NotMax:

    Go read the requirements of Section 4 of the 25th amendment. A convoluted, drawn out, all but unworkable, messy hodge-podge.

    It depends. If Trump no longer has sufficient presence of mind to produce a written declaration that he is of sound mind and send it to the House and Senate, then it stops right there with Vance as Acting President.

  140. 140.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    @NotMax: Go read the requirements of Section 4 of the 25th amendment. A convoluted, drawn out, all but unworkable, messy hodge-podge.

    Not to mention that Trump habitually sets his subordinates on each other. There is already group out to get Vance in Trump’s campaign.

    If they couldn’t get Woodrow Wilson out of office after a crippling stroke and instead let his wife act as president, why would do that with Trump?

  142. 142.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    @jlowe: It’s a civil war in the Trump campaign right now between Vance and others. That’s why the prep work for Vance’s rallies always sucks.  One of the front pagers had a post about it.

  144. 144.

    Hoodie

    @3Sice: Rogan will be a pushover, he’s easily steered.  I worry more about the FOX interview.  Baier is not an idiot.  How he conducts the interview will likely depend on how he reads the prevailing winds and his future at FOX vis a vis moving to someplace like CNN or one of the other normal networks.   He still has a relatively clean reputation and is not a numbskull like Megan Kelly, who blew her chance and is stranded in the RW scam space. He might try the Chris Wallace move.  A decent interview with Harris, i.e., one that is not just FOX talking points, would be a platform for him to kick that off.

  145. 145.

    Argiope

    @TBone: My niece is onsite with Americorps.  Her team is attached to FEMA, and deployed to NC from TX last weekend. I got this story direct from her mom before the news broke.  The young person is handling staying locked down for a day instead of helping people better than my sister is.

  147. 147.

    Argiope

    @Baud: I will! She’s such an earnest young person.  I think she’s proud of herself for doing something useful after college.

  148. 148.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    Every one seems to be missing the point Trump wouldn’t be pushing himself to the point his body is giving up like in that video if he thought he was winning.

  155. 155.

    TBone

    Just got my tickets to the World Premiere of DelCo the Movie (at the Media PA Theater in January) WOO HOO!!!

    Gonna need a booster vaxx by then!

  156. 156.

    The Audacity of Krope

    @Baud: That’s what happens when the supposedly liberal media chooses to focus entirely on polls and perceptions. They don’t cover substance because the substance is “good” and therefore a sign of bias leaving people with the perception nothing is being done.

    This is honestly why I think trying to eliminate bias in media is a fools’ errand. It’s much better to acknowledge bias, say your piece, then let the viewer judge.

  159. 159.

    NotMax

    @TBone

    Media, PA? Pinocchio’s cheesesteaks. Yumm-a-lumma-ding dong.

    (If they’re still around. I’m reminiscing back some 50 years.)

  160. 160.

    Yarrow

    At least the WaPo has a good headline about the event:

    Trump sways and bops to music for 39 minutes in bizarre town-hall episode

  162. 162.

    satby

    @Argiope: Americorp alum here, and happy to hear of your niece working in NC. She’s going to remember them as some of the toughest but most fulfilling days of her life. Kudos to her.

  164. 164.

    Geminid

    @Baud: I read the Politico article and it seemed like the health issues were ambiguous and maybe not acute. Justice looks like he lives on platters of sausage gravy on biscuits and is obviously obese. This might or might not be the reason for his lack of attention to his job; he might just be lazy.

    But Senator is not that bad a job for a lazy man if he’s not ambitious. Justice only has to show up for important votes. And the Senate has a four day work week for like forty weeks a year. I doubt if Justice intends to run for another term so there’s little pressure to perform. He can hire a competent staff to do his office’s work.

    Come January, Justice will be under the DC spotlight so if he’s in truly bad health we’ll find out then. If he’s just lazy I think we’ll hear him on the news shows because he seems to like talking to reporters.

    The Harrisonburg radio station I listen to has a lot of West Virginia listeners and covers their news as well as Virginia’s. They covered a lot of Justice’s news conferences during the pandemc, and they do now on occasion. I think Justice is fairly good at that part of his job.

  165. 165.

    SatanicPanic

    Trump’s dementia is accelerating. Even a few months ago he would have known how weird this looks. In private he must be really bad.

  166. 166.

    trnc

    @seaboogie: ​
     

    I feel like Stephen Miller’s Fascist fever dream is coming off the rails, and this gives me a measure of comfort.

    Persecutile dysfuntion.

  167. 167.

    Quinerly

    Someone needs to put up the clip of Trump rambling about gas vs electric when asked about what he would do to help small businesses. A restaurant owner asked him a question at that townhall….just before the swaying and dancing broke out. Trump did get in a partial answer about “liking to eat.”

  169. 169.

    Elizabelle

    @eclare: I was thinking about beloved centenarian JEC last night, for just that reason.  May he have voted by day’s end.

    And yes, Chinese cornbread does sound delicious.  More work, though.

  171. 171.

    Tenar Arha

    @lowtechcyclist: I like going to 5 Below. I used to buy all my phone cases & spare power cords etc from there. Great source for bins in the fall when students come back too.

  173. 173.

    Quinerly

    Fox correspondent put this up on X last night: “Well, this is a very strange Trump Town Hall in Pennsylvania. It turned on a dime after two Trump supporters passed out/fainted/needed medical attention in back to back episodes that paused the Q and A format for a while. The Q and A portion never restarted after four questions mostly on the economy.”
    He continued, “Trump talked for a little and decided instead to play his favorite music to the crowd. He’s standing on stage. We’ve listened to opera songs Ave Maria, Con Te Paritiro and now we are listening and watching James Brown and Pavarotti on video singing ‘This is a Man’s World.’ Trump urges people to vote and then plays the YMCA.”

    https://www.alternet.org/fox-news-correspondent-trump-rally/

  175. 175.

    AWOL

    @lowtechcyclist: Nah. They’re scum. Guess you don’t belong to a group such as I do when 14 years before my birth, millions of these “human beings” were shooting my fellow ethnic-group members in the back of the head and kicking them into ditches for mass burial. Gssing them while their spawn fought on the front.

    A sci-fi writer doesn’t determine my perception of anything. (You should work with the abusive freaks in that field, like I have.)

    Enjoy moralizing from your lamp post, upside down.

  177. 177.

    lowtechcyclist

    @NotMax:

    If two-thirds of each chamber of Congress concurs.

    Two-thirds. A bar so high birds perched on it need oxygen masks.

    No. If Vance and a majority of the Cabinet say Trump can’t handle the job anymore, and Trump doesn’t respond with a written declaration to the House and Senate, Vance is acting President, and that’s as far as it goes.

    Full text of Section 4 below, but the ‘Thereafter’ paragraph only comes into play if Trump provides the written declaration that he’s still good to go.  Show me where it says otherwise.

    Section 4. Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

    Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department [sic][note 2][7] or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.

  178. 178.

    Elizabelle

    Looks like the same Fedex pilot who flew the pandas out of DC less than a year ago. Don’t know; tall bald guy.

  181. 181.

    TBone

    @NotMax: they are still there and now serve alcohol.  They got a coveted PA liquor license years back and then continued to thrive.  I’m an Apollo Pizza girl when in Media, otherwise Abruzzi Pizza (Brookhaven)  is the world’s best.  I didn’t eat cheesesteaks much in Media because the pizza is so good, but RoseTree Steaks were king back in the day.  You have inspired me to try a Pinocchio’s cheesesteak on our way home from the movie!

  182. 182.

    UncleEbeneezer

    @Betty Cracker: You gotta go where the voters are, not where you wish they were.  Bullshit shows like Rogan and The Breakfast Club are given legitimacy by millions of Americans.  There’s nothing Harris can do about that.  It’s not her fault that America is filled with a shit-load of unserious, uninformed, shallow voters.  That’s on us.  But it’s an opportunity, I think it’s a good move for this election and I admire that she’s willing to do it.  This is why I could never be a politician.

  183. 183.

    Bupalos

    @Betty Cracker: I think that horse is sooooo far out of the barn that this normally valid consideration doesn’t apply. It’s a good move to take it straight to these populist slums and puts a kind of pressure on them. It’s not that easy to maintain the conspiracy enmity in the flesh.
    If she can show up and speak the language, she’ll make hay. My only concern is that often when she’s uncomfortable she retreats to formulaic ‘politician’ language, and that is much worse than nothing in these spaces.

  185. 185.

    TBone

    @lowtechcyclist: MSNBC played an unedited video of his response to a question about small business before last night’s dance party, and it’s cuckoobananas and doesn’t address small business at all.  The weave is just atrocious at this point, loose and threadbare!

  186. 186.

    lowtechcyclist

    @AWOL:

    A.

    Nah. They’re scum.

    B.

    Guess you don’t belong to a group such as I do when 14 years before my birth, millions of these “human beings” were shooting my fellow ethnic-group members in the back of the head and kicking them into ditches for mass burial.

    A is the permission structure for B.

  187. 187.

    lowtechcyclist

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    This is the objection that I have to people in the Ukraine threads calling the Russians orcs.

    I haven’t been in those threads in a while, but I’m with you on that point.

    ETA: Not that my objections have had any effect.

    Sorry to hear that.

  189. 189.

    NotMax

    @TBone

    I was an addict of the “everything hot” version back in the day. Alternative was “everything sweet” (mild peppers).

  194. 194.

    TBone

    @NotMax: I am somehow anti-peppers for both hoagies and cheesesteaks, prolly the WASP heritage I experienced since my parents ordered all such things until I was older.  Nary a pepper ever crossed our threshold for any reason, ever, even unto their deaths.

  196. 196.

    Melancholy Jaques

    @Betty Cracker:

    Harris is very brave to go on FOX and Rogan. Both will try to torpedo her campaign. Neither will be respectful or fair.

    Can she turn that to her advantage? I hope so.

  197. 197.

    satby

    @NotMax: AL used to post one late evening thread, an overnight/early am thread, and then a morning thread because she’s (as she’s often said) a night owl. She’s probably already asleep. Someone often pre-empts her usual late evening slot, which is unfortunate, less meaty threads to read in the morning.

  198. 198.

    The Audacity of Krope

    @lowtechcyclist: It depends. If Trump no longer has sufficient presence of mind to produce a written declaration that he is of sound mind and send it to the House and Senate, then it stops right there with Vance as Acting President.

    This will be where not learning to read and write finally comes and bites Trump on the ass.

  200. 200.

    Geminid

    I hope Georgia Jackals can bear Vermin’s March.

    Per Fox 5 Atlanta, Trump will be in Forsyth County today taping another Fox News town hall to be aired tomorrow. He also has a rally scheduled in Cobb County this afternoon.

    On October 22 Trump will be the “special guest keynote speaker” at the NRA’s “Defend the 2nd” event at the Savanna Convention Center and will appear the next day at a Turning Point Action event in Duluth, Georgia. The venue will be the appropriately named Gas South Arena.

    As Sherman put it,

       I can make this march and make Georgia howl.

  201. 201.

    Sure Lurkalot

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques:

    Every one seems to be missing the point Trump wouldn’t be pushing himself to the point his body is giving up like in that video if he thought he was winning.

    Perhaps, but he’s on a golf hiatus which gives him an extra 5-6 hours per day to bask in adulation, which he needs as much as whatever other drugs Dr.Ronnie has him hepped up on.

  202. 202.

    artem1s

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: ​ 

    @jlowe: Going by last time Vance would be the first one up against the wall in a Trump admin.

    Nope, Pence will be the first. No matter how demented he becomes he’s never going to forget Pence certified the 2020 election.

  203. 203.

    Yutsano

    @Elizabelle:  The bears are being transported on a FedEx Boeing 777 cargo jet nicknamed the “Panda Express” from Chengdu, China.

    Boo! They should have flown on the Queen of the Skies!

  205. 205.

    Bupalos

    @Omnes Omnibus: LowTech is taking the correct high road on this one, gently point to it as a root of the evil it decries. I think it’s also worthwhile in this particular space to point to the way it may be the product of dark rooms and too many screens. Or a simple vitamin deficiency. My grandfather once took apart his oven because he took his low salt diet too far.

  206. 206.

    3Sice

    @Geminid:

    Well there is the stress of losing the family fortune.

    King Coal is dead, and whatever interests line up behind the WV GOP, he’s going to be the odd man out.

  208. 208.

    gene108

    @TBone:

    Diwali will now be an official State Holiday in Pennsylvania (no business or school closures required).

    That’s awesome.

    Diwali falls on October 31 this year.

  209. 209.

    Geminid

    @3Sice: At one point the Justices were one of the biggest land holders in North Carolina. They bought up a lot of big soybean and grain operations. I think they lost those holdings a while ago.

  211. 211.

    Bupalos

    @Omnes Omnibus: Is there glory available?

    look, the comment is nuts. You people sometimes need someone from the wrong side of your community’s tracks to say what you won’t. Eliminationist language deployed against the kinds of deluded and degraded people people that Trump uses and abuses is trash. It helps Trump, it’s juvenile, it makes us all worse. And to me trying to appropriate the Holocaust as an excuse makes it worse, not better.

  212. 212.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Bupalos: I disagreed with the eliminationist rhetoric.  Note my comment to LTC.  That being said, you were mocking someone for saying that their family had been victims of the Holocaust.  IOW, you were being an asshole.

  217. 217.

    Bupalos

     

    gwangung: Obviously our priorities or interpretation of the original comment are not the same. I don’t do much anti-anti dehumanization work.
    But if this was a person genuinely destabilized by the events of the 30’s and 40’s Europe and encouraging eliminationist mindsets against people today on that basis, I wouldn’t make light of it, I’d be more confrontational.
    It’s not. It’s just some polarized rhetoric on the internet that strayed into a very offensive place.

    so a jocular “you’re bugfuck” I think is in bounds.

  218. 218.

    brantl

    I will laugh my ass literally OFF, if it turns out the MAGAts did this to themselves by starting fights with the bus drivers, or each other. Freaking perfect!

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