Future historians, assuming such exist, are gonna be way confused. I mean… even with living memory, not that many people actually witnessed an increasingly paranoid Richard Nixon talking to the portraits on the White House walls. (Piling on, mostly because I put this together in the early dawn hours… )
Even mainstream media is noticing that Trump is not well. #DementiaDon#TrumpIsALaughingStock
"Stormy Daniels"
"Chris Wallace"
"Watching Kamala"
"Kamala's Fox"
"Rachel Maddow""The Kamala Harris"
Polls
Wisconsin
Michigan pic.twitter.com/i1fwV40p9M— BLACKS AGAINST TRUMP (@Mompreneur_of_3) October 17, 2024
I can't stop laughing at this! pic.twitter.com/uIealQfQaJ
— Alex Cole (@acnewsitics) October 16, 2024
In order to prove nothing strange was happening, Swaying Hour will now become a regular feature of Trump appearances
— Marcus (@marcusjmerritt.com) October 15, 2024 at 10:23 AM
Trump's Univision Townhall meeting is just something you have to witness. The audience's faces says it all.#TrumpIsBadForUS #TrumpIsInsane #TrumpIsALaughingStock pic.twitter.com/skc8FLX35h
— Shayla Sweatt (@shay_sweatt) October 17, 2024
Watch the reaction of one of the members of the audience when Trump says no one was killed on January 6th but also says Ashli Babbitt was killed pic.twitter.com/VKFjIOIIuU
— Acyn (@Acyn) October 17, 2024
Even Fox is covering the health records thing now, he's cooked
www.foxnews.com/politics/mor…— Shiv Ramdas (@nameshiv.bsky.social) October 15, 2024 at 9:38 PM
There are many observations on Trump’s cognitive decline.https://t.co/GKxYRzERJ7
— DeBunk MAGAs (@DebunkM9790) October 15, 2024
Expletive deleted! The Daily Beast, “How Trump’s Speeches Are a Red Flag for Mental Decline: Experts”:
An increasingly incoherent and profane former president Donald Trump, 78, is rambling at his rallies at previously unheard-of lengths and showing signs of confusion that could indicate mental decline, according to a New York Times analysis.
An average rally speech by the elderly Republican nominee for president—who has promised to release his medical records and cognitive tests and then refused to do so—lasts 82 minutes this election cycle, nearly double the 45 minutes he averaged in 2016, a computer analysis by the newspaper found.
In addition to Trump’s well documented rambling, repetitive and winding addresses—punctuated with strange asides about things like his “beautiful” body—among the potential signs of cognitive change are that he curses 69 percent more in speeches than he did in 2016. That could be a sign of disinhibition, a kind of impulsivity that is sometimes attributed to mental decline in old age, the Times said.
The newspaper also said its analysis found Trump used negative words 32 percent more than positive ones, up considerably from 21 percent in 2016, another potential indicator of cognitive change…
David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch
Kamala is on MSNBC right now and she rocking the house🌋
SpaceUnit
Future historians are going to remember trump as the leader of a loser movement who couldn’t fart in a bucket without committing half a dozen felonies and declaring bankruptcy. MAGA is the dead end that the GOP richly deserves.
ETA: And I am here for it.
David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch
Barack walked so Kamala could
runkick Dump in the ballsBaud
@David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch:
“She only does friendly media” /NYT
thruppence
Kamala to hecklers: “I think you’re at the wrong rally. You want the smaller one down the street.” Hah! Hope that gets replayed.
The Audacity of Krope
The media environment this year strongly suggests we’re on an inevitable path to putting our senior citizens out on ice floes at age 70, no exceptions.
Ksmiami
Trump and the GOP are brain dead amoral thugs. That’s all. The entire party is a weight on America
thruppence
@The Audacity of Krope: If climate change keeps pace, we may not have enough ice floes. Manufacturing opportunity! If Trump proposes this, we can all join together to shout: “You first!”.
A Ghost to Most
And yet, 30% of Americans think that their sky daddy sent Donnie to fix America.
BigJimSlade
off topic but I recently found something awfully close to our esteemed poster’s name here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annie_Laurie
EngineerScotty
@The Audacity of Krope: Are you referring to jettisoning older people from party leadership positions? Or attacks on seniors in the general population?
Chet Murthy
@David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch: I’m South Asian, so Kamala ….. well, I feel represented. But even so, I will always be Hillary’s unpaid anger translator. I’m going to be thrilled for President Harris for sure. But still …..
KatKapCC
“The Q&A was almost finished” — didn’t he only take like 5 questions???
dmsilev
So, Trump’s closing argument is going to be “watch me sway kinda rhythmically to a 1970s gay anthem, oh and I hate trans people and immigrants”.
It’s an innovative strategy, I’ll give him that.
Baud
@Chet Murthy:
Same. Although I will also moonlight as Biden’s anger translator.
Lapassionara
Kamala Harris is so likeable. She seems to be able to parry questions without getting defensive. She can speak eloquently and articulately without having to interject the sort of empty phrases that fill up a lot of talking (“like,” “you know”). She knows how to laugh when appropriate and to meet objectionable people with some humor. If this were the “who would you rather have a beer with” election (as in 2000 and 2004), there would be no contest. She would win hands down.
Scout211
You know, it’s really the Democrats that are the problem. Kamala Harris is using negative rhetoric in her speeches against Trump to prime her followers for a “violent resistance” if Trump wins the presidency. Yes, the Democrats of the nation will react to a Trump win with a violent insurrection.
It has to be true because I read it on The Federalist today.
We Kamala Harris supporters should just hang our heads in shame.
//
Chet Murthy
@EngineerScotty: I suspect that for the foreseeable future, strange women lying in ponds will not be distributing swords to septuagenarians. Or at least, I would hope so. I’m 60.
KatKapCC
@thruppence: Bahahaha!!! Delicious.
Chet Murthy
@Baud: On January 20 morning, no pundit will apologize for their scurrilous accusations of senility, even though they all should.
The Audacity of Krope
@EngineerScotty: I’m talking about the whole population. We are normalizing bigotry against the elderly. We’re doing so in a way where demonstrated capability seems aside from the point.
It’s about political leaders now. But this type of garbage infects the culture, it spreads. Worse, the political class is promoting it on a bipartisan basis.
Baud
@Scout211:
I wonder if that sort of things actually sacres some Republicans into not voting. Those people live in constant fear.
Chet Murthy
@Lapassionara: One of the two candidates has a long history of meeting ecstatic gaggles of kids, esp. little girls, and them all having a great time at these meetings.
Trivia Man
I really enjoy the Obama Spotify playlist. And my partner really enjoys the Obama book list every year.
Baud
@Chet Murthy:
I’m confident the theme will be how Harris is a big disappointment after all of Biden’s successes.
mrmoshpotato
@SpaceUnit: Waiting for Mark Cuban to ask “If the Moon were made of cheese, would you eat it?”
KatKapCC
I gotta say, I talk a lot of smack about all the makeup Trump slathers on, but whenever I see those pics of him on the golf course with no makeup, like…I kinda get it. He looks like a reanimated corpse that had spent a week in a lake.
mrmoshpotato
@David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch:
I think it’s more like Joe dropped out so Kamala could kick Dump in his disgusting, orange, fascist balls.
bbleh
@The Audacity of Krope: oh come on, complaints about the “gerontocracy” — aimed particularly at Dems because of course — have been around for a while, and frankly properly so when SO much of the recent senior leadership of government has been in their 70s and 80s. *I’M* an Old in excellent health, and I know perfectly well the ways and degrees my — call it “capacity” — has reduced. And pretty much every private institution has formal or informal limits on employees as early as 55. NONE of this means we’re getting into some “Escape From New York” situation
Plus, the presidency is a HARD job! Yes you have probably the most supportive environment in the world, including medical support, but just look how it ages people. Look at Clinton and Obama before and after. And look at Reagan during his second term. We SHOULDN’T have someone pushing 80 as President, and I DO hope it’s instantiated as at least an informal rule of thumb.
Chet Murthy
@Baud: If a Harris Administration is the most woman-focused administration in American history, I will not be disappointed.
dnfree
@The Audacity of Krope: There’s a big gap between mandatory putting ordinary people out on ice floes at age 70 and thinking that people Trump’s age (also my age) and Biden’s age and Mitch McConnell’s age shouldn’t have major policy roles in the government of the United States, no matter how competent they were when they were younger.
dnfree
@BigJimSlade: I think that song is the reason some people refer to our esteemed front-pager as Annie Laurie rather than Anne Laurie.
SatanicPanic
@Lapassionara: I think they’re all “who would I rather have a beer with” elections. I call it my “the cooler person wins” theory of elections. It hasn’t failed me so far*. By this metric Kamala Harris will win.
*Except 2016 but that’s because it didn’t apply- neither candidate had anything cool about them. 2000 was also a bad year. But hey, that means I’m correct as often as Alan Lichtman.
Baud
No one is seriously proposing age limits that apply to everyone. The age argument will always apply only to Dems, no matter how sincere everyone here is.
The Audacity of Krope
@bbleh: Well, maybe we should let people judge for themselves instead of normalizing the practice of making formal declarations of senility from on high in the media that can’t be challenged and consume every other relevant topic.
This is active bigotry and I’m disgusted. I’m just as disgusted now as I was when the last crescendo hit in July
David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch
She’s Magic and Bird rolled in one.
KatKapCC
@The Audacity of Krope: No one is saying Trump seems senile solely because of his age.
mrmoshpotato
@Lapassionara:
She’s also not a thieving bastard who went on to become a war criminal.
Steve LaBonne
@Scout211: EAIAC
ArchTeryx
I’ve been noticing a HUGE number of anti-D postings on BlueSky, many of which are from people claiming to be trans. The amount of “They’ll sell us down the river for a corn chip” is amazing.
It all looks like concern trolling to me. I was dumb enough to feed that troll, but BlueSky makes it easy to block people. Far easier than Xhitter, which basically disabled blocking for public (i.e. nazi) posts.
West of the Rockies
Some POS stole our Harris sign and 8 others in our neighborhood. I hope they are diagnosed with stage four face cancer tonight.
bbleh
@The Audacity of Krope: no, it’s simple practicality. We don’t have 50-year-old NFL linemen either, and it’s not “bigotry.” And nobody’s proposing “formal declarations of senility from on high in the media that can’t be challenged,” and certainly nobody’s defending the media’s fixation on Biden’s age — that was overkill, just like nearly everything else they glom onto. But it’s a valid question, and as imperfect as this process has been — and Biden deserves a great deal of credit for handling it smoothly, and BTW so does Pelosi — I’m not sorry it’s finally been addressed.
TheOtherHank
@The Audacity of Krope: It’s already here. A little over a year ago I lost my software engineering job. I’ve been looking ever since. According to my spreadsheet jobs I’ve applied for, I’ve applied to around 450 jobs. I’ve had maybe 5 all the way through the process interviews (ie, talk to the recruiter, do the tech assessment, talk to the hiring manager, have day-long multiple people session), none of which yeilded an offer. And maybe 10 or so where I talked to at least one person.
PS – I’m 60. I’ve still got a a few good years in me, but grey hair scares tech people away. So it goes.
PPS – It’s disheartening looking through ads on LinkedIn, “Posted 3 hours ago, more than 100 applications”
mrmoshpotato
@Scout211:
And it’ll be even more violent than the Democrats’ insurrection of 2016! I was at the Chicago one!
The Audacity of Krope
@KatKapCC: Well he’s not the only one, A. B, y’all poisoned the punch bowl last time. I never liked this type of talk but I tolerated it, but no more. This shit is dangerous and more of you would recognize it if you would take two seconds to separate yourself from what your preferred outcome would be in any particular instance and ask yourself “what if we were treating any other group this way?”
It’s disgusting. Worst of all, you’re making me defend Trump now.
SatanicPanic
@ArchTeryx: Maybe that’s where Chappell Roan got that “Democrats are transphobic” idea
KatKapCC
@West of the Rockies: Happened to a friend up in the Bay Area, and she was like…sure dude, that’ll make a difference.
Steve LaBonne
@thruppence: I just watched the clip. ❤️
Geminid
@Chet Murthy: I suspect that rightly or wrongly, Democrats will be reluctant to vote for Presidential candidates much older than 60 in future primary contests.
Hopefully we won’t find out if this is true until 2032. And fortunately, there are plenty of good prospects who are now in their 40s and 50s.
The Audacity of Krope
That, nevertheless, is what we’ve gotten and will continue to get if we continue to accept them.
@TheOtherHank: I’m sorry it has been so hard for you to find work in your field. One person can do a lot of good for an organization, even in a few short years; especially someone with depth of experience. Depth of experience doesn’t look nice in photos at the company picnic, though.
KatKapCC
@The Audacity of Krope: I don’t know what you mean by “the last time”. But you’re working from a false equivalency here. “What if we were treating any other group this way” implies, and kind of requires, that the concerns about his mental capacity are wholly fabricated, based in nothing, with zero evidence to support said concerns. I would agree that anyone saying “He absolutely has Alzheimer’s” would be in the wrong, but observing his bizarre behavior, his nonsensical comments both spoken and written, his inability to sustain an attention span longer than about 30 seconds, his refusal to even discuss his health…all of that makes it perfectly reasonable to say, “Hmm, there might be something going on here”. People saying Biden had dementia because of his stutter were full of shit. People saying Trump might because of literally everything about his behavior, speech patterns, memory, etc are not full of shit.
No one is making you defend Trump. You’re choosing to do that.
Math Guy
I think that 39 minute “dance” he did is called The Weave.
SatanicPanic
Trump is now claiming Zelensky started the war with Russia.
So, you know, he wants to distort our reality or he’s forgotten on account of cognitive decline, or both.
Tony Jay
If the corporate media Narrative starts tilting hard into variations on “10 ways a Kamala Harris Presidency might shatter the Democrat coalition – number 6 will surprise you” I guess we’ll have confirmation that even the Literary Guild of Republican Party Promoters have noticed Stench’s steep decline and completely given up on him.
In unrelated news, the FTF Guardian’s headline today about Kamala’s FOX interview went hard on how she’s totally going to differentiate herself from Biden. Coincidence, I’m sure.
Baud
@Geminid:
I hope Walz fans realize that he’s out of the running, although I think he doesn’t plan on it anyway.
cain
@KatKapCC: The person is a snowflake who is affronted to see a Harris sign in his field of vision.
Meanwhile, Trumpers are festooning their homes with Trump merchandise like it’s Christmas.
Baud
@Tony Jay:
Interesting. Someone said that ABC here had the opposite take.
Given the Guardians US audience, that framing might be a good thing.
E.
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zhena gogolia
@Baud: I don’t see why he should be out of the running.
E.
@TheOtherHank: Same problem here. I’m 58. I finally started openly discussing it on my applications and mentioning some of the things that come with people our age: reliability, no drama, respect for the job. Can’t say it has helped though. Good luck.
Nelle
@A Ghost to Most: Actually, according to a relative of mine, sky daddy sent T to usher in the End Times, so it is their obligation to vote for him. My upbringing would say that that is blasphemous, but hey, you gotta go with the grifter preacher that brung you.
zhena gogolia
@The Audacity of Krope: I sympathize with what you are saying. This very blog tolerates a degree of ageism (including on the front page posts) that I find disturbing. But I don’t find this comparable to the Biden feeding frenzy at all. I don’t think it’s just about age, but about the ability to reason and the temperament one needs in the White House. He’s volatile and has no regard for anyone’s interests but his own.
cain
@The Audacity of Krope:
From the sample in this blog, it seems to be people who in the same demographic to be considered ‘Elderly’? I don’t care about the age as long as they show proficiency in which Trump has clearly demonstrated he doesn’t.
But the presidency requires a level of mental acuity of which our lives depend on their decision making. Whether it is a natural disaster, foreign or domestic threats, or a pandemic. So I think the scrutiny required should be high. Biden has passed this test. Trump didn’t pass these tests when he was IN the white house. He’s not making a great argument as a candidate either but he’s also showing signs of clearly off-normal behavior of which for his age group his risk of dementia is quite high given his family history.
The Audacity of Krope
Including a fairly large and vocal contingent of Democrats, notably including several prominent elected officials. It’s almost like the facts didn’t matter and people were manipulating perceptions to do an end-run around voters.
Which are all appalling enough without declaring it to be a product of dementia because I saw a character with senile dementia behave this way one time on Grey’s Anatomy. Stick to the known truth, don’t get over your skis and make assumptions you don’t have the full set of facts for.
Also, if voters see that and want it, iit is their god-given right to elect a demented old man President.
Well, somehow, it is the right thing to do right now. So I’mma do it.
Geminid
@bbleh: The age of Congressional Democrats is steadily becoming younger and I think this trend will continue for a while.
Democratic Senators will become much younger next year if Angela Alsobrooks and Elissa Slotkin win. Alsobrooks is 52 and would replace 80 year-old Ben Cardin, while the the 49 year-old Slotkin would replace Debbie Stabenow, age 74. With Lisa Blunt Rochester (62) replacing Tom Carper (77), this would be a 58 year shift in only three seats
Ed. And it looks like Ruben Gallego (39) will join Jon Ossoff (36?) as a Millenial Senator.
Baud
@zhena gogolia:
He’ll be 68 in 2032.
prostratedragon
The wonderful world of data analysis:
Summary of USGAO report on identifying and combatting foreign disinformation
Report on the tech platforms and organizations behind recent racial violence in the UK
Limbic campaigning via the betting market (Who is placing large bets on tfg using money-laundering techniques?)
cain
@E.:
The older generations have one thing that businesses love. We are dedicated to working and have no sense of work / life balance. We’ll happy work 70+ hours. We’re suckers.
I include myself in this group because I can’t help myself, it’s like it’s drilled in me. Always putting work before myself. Moronic.
Chet Murthy
@KatKapCC: @The Audacity of Krope: It is undeniable that there’s a problem with “age-ism”. Older people find it harder to get jobs, even entry-level jobs. But at the same time, it is -also- undeniable that at the pinnacles of power, older people, with money, connections, owed favors, hence -power-, are able to hold onto those pinnacles for far longer than is healthy for our society. It isn’t somehow hypocritical to want to remedy age-ism for the lower-ranks, while pushing for those at the higher-ranks to quit at a seemly age, even if they still have their faculties.
It’s not even unseemly to want this, and still feel angry that Biden was pushed-out when he was perfectly competent, executing his job masterfully. You can want for a rule to be enacted, while still taking advantage of the current lack of such a rule. Nobody said we should disarm unilaterally. On the other hand, if by running younger candidates we can win more, that’s good for us. And especially at those higher ranks, older folks can still contribute with their wisdom and guidance, even when out of power: look at what Speaker Emerita Pelosi did, even though she wasn’t Speaker, just a plain old Rep.
zhena gogolia
@Baud: So?
The Audacity of Krope
@zhena gogolia: Right.
frosty
This is my big fear. I was counting on the kids to shove me out into the Susquehanna when my time came!
columbusqueen
@The Audacity of Krope: Oh, please. What are we supposed to think when Trump’s brains have clearly turned to mush?
Steve LaBonne
@frosty: My wife and I have been pissed for years that our retirement plan will be melted before we can use it.
The Audacity of Krope
@columbusqueen: Trump’s brains were mush since birth. I can think of a thousand reasons not to vote for Trump and age wouldn’t even be a contender for the list.
Baud
@zhena gogolia:
So many voters will not support him for reason. And some will affirmatively oppose him for that reason.
gene108
@zhena gogolia:
Both Walz and Harris turned 60 this year. Walz would be 68, if he ran in 2032.
Kind of self defeating if people want younger politicians in office.
Steve LaBonne
@The Audacity of Krope: Defending Trump is NEVER EVER the right thing to do. I’m giving you a dessert-flavored vacation from my screen.
Geminid
@Baud: Assuming Kamala Harris can serve two terms, there will be at most two Democrats elected President in the next decade. Considering the number of strong prospects, there will be plenty of disappointed fans. That’s all the more reason to value Democratic politicians for the work they do in “lesser” posts.
SatanicPanic
@The Audacity of Krope: Clearly Trump has declined. There’s no reason to deny reality here.
ArchTeryx
@SatanicPanic: Yeah. Not everyone in that thread was a troll, there was some genuine transfolks in it. But then I dropped my usual line, “Would you rather be rounded up, shipped to a camp, and executed? Then go right on ahead and refuse to vote. It’s your life on the line.”
The amount of vomit I got was astounding, from “How could you be so cruel?” to the usual right wing insults and trolling. (They even called me a “nerd!” Like did you ever grow out of the 80s, dude?) The righties outed themselves with incredible speed when I dropped that bomb, as did the Very Online Left, who once again are too pure to vote for the transphobic Democrats.
The most fun was when they started accusing me of not having MY rights on the line this election. I told them I was disabled, and it was MY life on the line this election as well as theirs. Then the dogpiling began in earnest.
Before I engaged in mass blocking, I pointed out it was funny it was how all this shit came up 3 weeks before the election, and that the whole lot of them were being either useful idiots or just were outright pro-Trump trolls. At least I got a little satisfaction out of it.
Trivia Man
“Gradually, then all at once”
And i am here for all of it
Jeffro
my RWNJ dad and bro tried to tell me this about 6-7 months ago and I flipped. out. on them.
“Yes…what we really have to worry about in this country is violence on the LEFT…” grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
I know it’s not nearly over yet but I am SO looking forward to texting them on Nov 6th after Harris/Walz have won, and noting, “well…looks like we won’t have to worry about that freaking LEFT WING VIOLENCE now, at least!”
jerks
mrmoshpotato
@SatanicPanic:
Or C – he’s a traitorous shitstain who’s sucked Kremlin ass since 1987.
Or a combination of all 3.
Tony Jay
@Baud:
You know my opinion of the FTF Guardian. Absolutely in the tank for civilised, sensible, centrist Liberalism in government… just not whatever brand of civilised, sensible, centrist Liberalism in government is actually on offer, because it’s so much easier to
sell subscriptionscater to their audience’s desire for better times when those wacky conservatives are in office.They were all in on the Biden iz Old storyline. Kamala iz Divisive is the natural way to go if they’re worried about Democrats becoming too dominant.
If I were a betting man…
Jeffro
nah…you just need to make a longer list ;)
Bill Arnold
@The Audacity of Krope:
When he was younger, he used much more complicated language structures, with a richer vocabulary. There is audio/video, plenty of it. (Speed(e.g. reaction time) is down too, but that’s typical as one ages.) The decline in his language skills over the last 10 years has been obvious, and it appears to be accelerating.
ArchTeryx
@Tony Jay: Right now they’re trying to split the transgender vote. If they’re microtargeting to that extent, they must be damn worried, enough to try to nullify every D vote they can.
Baud
@ArchTeryx:
We are all Catlyn Jenner now.
Marc
@TheOtherHank: FWIW, I’m just about to retire at 71 after 55 years of doing software development, mostly coding (I hated managing programmers), the 40 years in Silicon Valley where ageism is the norm. The past 20 years I’ve been working at a university helping Civil Engineering PhD students figure out appropriate algorithms for solving various research problems and my wife is in her 60s still actively coding in IT at another university. Prior to that, most of the time I worked as a contract software developer for larger (mostly now defunct) companies like DEC, Sun, HP. Either way, no one particularly cared how old I was as long as I had the skills to do the job.
Baud
@ArchTeryx:
Maybe they just like watching natural serfs dance for them.
Quinerly
@bbleh:
Excellent and thoughtful comment. Thank you.
Quinerly
@dnfree:
Yes!
West of the Rockies
@KatKapCC:
I just returned from our local Democratic HQ with two new signs.
Timill
@Marc: Hope I can do likewise :-) At 67, I got headhunted back to a previous employer, so it’s not all doom and gloom out there. But I specialize in old mainframe languages, so most of my competition is dead or retired.
None of which helps those who are still looking, of course.
SatanicPanic
@ArchTeryx: It seems like the online left has been silently seething at being sidelined and they’re willing to push anything to get attention.
Geminid
@Tony Jay: Maybe the Guardian puts all its pro-Labour reporters on the US beat where they can’t do any harm. It sure seems that way.
gene108
@The Audacity of Krope:
Biden dug himself a hole with his debate performance he could not climb out of.
His age, which concerned voters even without the media, because enough people have had relatives decline in their 80’s, became an insurmountable problem for his campaign.
He did the right thing to end his campaign and we’re better off with VP Harris as our candidate.
I don’t see the downside people are complaining about.
Baud
@Geminid:
No room for Baud! 20XX!
ArchTeryx
@Baud: Strikes me as more sinister than that. The whole point is to convince people, not to vote for Trump, but to refuse to vote for Harris and stay home. That’s straight up vote suppression. They aren’t expressing concerns. They’re straight up telling transgendered folk that their vote doesn’t matter and to refuse to vote for Harris. It’s just the LBGTQ+ version of all the Genocide Joe memes that the right baited the Very Online Left with.
The amount of political naivety from an outgroup is just astonishing. We aren’t all Caitlyn Jenner, but they seem to be multiplying even on relatively trans-friendly social media. The HUGE influx of folks from Twitter disabling blocks seems to have attracted the nazi trolls as well.
The Audacity of Krope
Because you are focused on this one particular instance and what you want to get out of it and aren’t considering the consequences of the culture accepting the behavior it did.
Baud
@ArchTeryx:
Well, it’s worse because Dems are good on trans issues and Republicans are openly evil.
But it’s hardly unexpected. It’s their standard practice.
Baud
@The Audacity of Krope:
I agree. Biden did the right thing but that he needed to is a blot on our society.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@thruppence:
Translated: “You and your candidate have small penises”
She really is good at this.
scav
Kroping. As an activity, it definitely needs to get a definition. Definitely attention seeking, sort of an aggressive undermining by self-congratulatory and superior virtue and “hope”.
The Audacity of Krope
@Baud: Thank you for that.
Quinerly
@scav:
You win the thread!
ArchTeryx
@Baud: Yes it is. Divide and conquer is their go-to move, and there are enough useful idiots in outgroups like transfolk to fall for the bait. The sheer amount of dogpiling I got after crashing their party told me the right is very, very active on even new (and less blighted) social media right now.
Marc
What I’m suggesting is to think outside of the box, it has always been hard to get a “normal” tech job in SV (and elsewhere) after age 40. There are jobs, but one needs to be very flexible and willing to do things that most young tech bros would avoid.
TheOtherHank
@Marc: Thanks for the reply, I keep looking and hoping. My particular background is that I both have computer science and engineering degrees plus I worked as a bench biologist for several years. I am what biotech companies want I can program a computer and discuss the problems that the biologists are trying to solve. I’ll find someone who isn’t scared eventually
zhena gogolia
@gene108: I DON’T WANT YOUNGER POLITICIANS
JD Vance
Josh Hawley
Adam Schiff
The Audacity of Krope
Hmm…I don’t know. I’m pretty sure most of us agree that the guys who tried to shoot him were doing a very bad thing.
The Audacity of Krope
@zhena gogolia: Adam Schiff is not especially young.
Geminid
@Baud: Who knows? Maybe by 2036 Presidential races will be decided by Ranked-choice Voting. Then you could run on the Sansculotte line and play the other candidates against each other; a Yojimbo-type candidate.
zhena gogolia
@The Audacity of Krope: True.
Chet Murthy
@The Audacity of Krope: Frankly, only because to do otherwise is to invite a visit from the USSS.
SpaceUnit
I have no idea what this thread is about. I feel like the grandfather at the end of Moonstruck.
Tony Jay
@ArchTeryx:
Damage control. While the rearguard tries to limit the enemy advance to the smallest area possible; tactical retreats, ambushes, poisoning wells, the Corps Diplomatic will already be fighting the next war, with strategic bribery, false flag propaganda and cold-eyed realism about the ground on which the next generation’s battles should be fought.
They never give in or go away. The Great Game always continues and there’s too much money to be made playing it.
Marc
@TheOtherHank: Let’s put it this way, I’m black and never finished a college degree, so even when I was younger, selling myself was always interesting, but it can be done. Don’t lose hope…
Baud
@ArchTeryx:
Every group has their 27%.
TBone
@Trivia Man: 💙
Central Planning
@mrmoshpotato: I would not eat the cheese moon, but my wife and kids sure would.
Math Guy
OT (whatever that may be), but ABC evening news just ran a horrendous add opposing Harris. ABC bracketed the ad with a disclaimer that they were required by federal law to run the ad.
Tony Jay
@Geminid:
Heh. That rag never has and never will support Labour. They’re as happy as happy can be with the mob currently wearing Labour’s skin because they know they’ll push through all the policies the paper’s owners want while also giving the paper’s scribblers all the bad optics they could ever need to write sneering articles about.
I’d feel sorry for the mob in charge of my former Party, but they were warned that this would happen, they just didn’t want to listen.
TBone
https://x.com/djrothkopf/status/1847036066873700800
Chet Murthy
@Tony Jay: i saw a column in the guardian advocating the end of stamp Duty for stock purchases. What fucking imbecility.
EngineerScotty
Keep in mind the sage advice of Dark Brandon four years ago:
“Twitter isn’t real”.
And that was true before Elmo took over.
Even if one assumes the trans community is more involved in online activism than many other communities, and I don’t know if that’s true or not; I can guarantee you that every marginalized community on the platform is being beset by trolls and such proclaiming that the Dems are taking their votes for granted. Some people are dumb enough to believe it.
But I wouldn’t rank “trans people deciding that Kamala Harris is a squish” to be high on the list of risks to her campaign. At some point, you have to trust voters to have enough sense to make an informed decision, and if a trans person (or a gay person, or a person of color) thinks “both sides are the same”, then that’s their own damn fault.
JPL
What did they pay Melania to attend the Al Smith dinner with her hubby?
Bill Arnold
Re Univision Guy who asked Trump about Jan 6, same guy asked a question of Kamala at a Univision town hall last week (which I had not heard much about) about hurricane relief. She answered it well, and guy was nodding along.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1846945642377056462
https://nitter.poast.org/i/status/1846945642377056462
gene108
@The Audacity of Krope:
I’m honestly not going to cry that an 82 year old man is forced to retire with what should be a fabulous pension.
If we’re talking about people in their 50’s and 60’s being pushed out of work because of age, it’s different than with someone in their 80’s.
ArchTeryx
@EngineerScotty: Yep. It doesn’t scare me so much as seem like a canary in the coal mine, about how active the right is. BlueSky is *NOT* Xhitter. Until recently, it was a very nice platform and the only major social media company to not be billionaire fascist owned. But when Elmo shit the bed (yet again) with Xhitter by removing blocks… the exodus to BlueSky became HUGE, and all the trolls migrated with them.
Quinerly
Love me some Adam Schiff and Nancy Pelosi. Next to Liz Cheney they have more to lose than many in a second Trump presidency. I am convinced a Trump DOJ would jail them.
Very brave truth tellers…Schiff and Pelosi.
gene108
@zhena gogolia:
Schiff is 64. Definitely in the not young category, in my opinion. YMMV.
Baud
@EngineerScotty:
Agree. But the greater risk is “allies” deciding they’re going to support the community by withholding their votes.
Quinerly
@gene108:
And may he be an excellent CA into his 80’s if he wishes and is effective at running and winning elections. I think we can all agree that the pressures of running for and being a senator is much different than, say, being Secretary of Defense, CIA Director, or even President.
Baud
@Bill Arnold:
Are there that few undecided Latinos?
EngineerScotty
“Twitter isn’t real” applies just as much to BlueSky, Mastadon, or any other social media platform.
There will always be fake accounts.
There will always be “hardcore” activists, the sort that are highly dedicated but highly clueless, over-represented.
The sky will always be falling.
Just like in the brick and mortar world, cultivate a circle of people you know and trust, and treat the rest with the same regard as you would a street-corner preacher telling passers-by that they’re going to Hell.
The Audacity of Krope
@Baud: If they’re any sort of allies, they know which set of politicians are unambiguously better for the community and have at least one friend who is a member of the community telling them as much.
Baud
@The Audacity of Krope:
Yeah, but we need non-“allies” too. It sucks.
ArchTeryx
@Baud: Exactly what all the barbaric yawlping on BlueSky is all about.
The Audacity of Krope
@Baud: Well, it isn’t just trans people. If you are interested in protecting anything or anyone other than your own privilege and position, there is a better reason to vote for Democrats than Republicans.
ArchTeryx
@EngineerScotty: Yeah. I let my anxiety get the better of me and fed the troll. I have several transgendered folks in my circle of friends, and all of them know the stakes. So I reached out.
Juju
@The Audacity of Krope: Don’t be such an ass. My mother has dementia and from what I’ve observed, there is a good chance that Trump has dementia, given the family history and his lifestyle. No one wants to put him on a floe, they just don’t want his finger on the nuclear button, or to have Vance take over once it becomes crystal clear that Trump has dementia.
Just for your information, I dropped everything in my life to take care of my mother. Dementia is one of the most difficult things I have ever dealt with in my life, and I have dealt with some awful things. Please don’t insult the people who take care of a loved one with cognitive issues. It’s thoughtless and unnecessary.
Melancholy Jaques
@thruppence:
I wonder what was the nature of the heckling. What were they shouting about?
Quinerly
I love our 60 and under senators. Ossoff is 35.
Deleted the chart. Couldn’t format it on the phone
Here’s the link with all ages.
https://fiscalnote.com/blog/how-old-118th-congress
New Deal democrat
Mentioned this earlier today, but others are picking up on the fact that Trump at long last has admitted that the January 6 insurgents were doing his bidding.
Notably, the Washington Post:
“Appearing at a town hall hosted by Univision, Trump was confronted by a self-identified Republican named Ramiro González who cast Trump’s actions surrounding Jan. 6 as a dealbreaker for him. González challenged Trump to win his support.
But Trump made no apologies for that day. What he instead did was actually link himself to the rioters — stronger than he ever has before.
“There were no guns down there; we didn’t have guns,” Trump said, before repeating: “The others had guns, but we didn’t have guns.”
….[C]onsider what Trump has done rhetorically. He cast the insurrectionists as a “we.”
This admission alone all but cinches Jack Smith’s insurrection case.
I also forwarded this point to Josh Marshall, who hopefully will also amplify it.
Also, on another point, Harris has successfully changed the topic away from Trump’s one winning issue, immigration. After the Bloomberg interview, Trump is also clearly afraid of being interviewed on the economy. And G*d bless Mark Cuban, who is cleaving country club businessmen away from voting for Trump. Harris is hitting all the little pockets of still undecided voters, while Trump is retreating into his shell.
This makes me feel good.
karen marie
At the end of the Univision clip for the question about legal immigrants in Springfield, Ohio, Trump tells the guy “I hope you vote for a Republican.”
I’m sorry, WHAT?
danielx
@Baud:
From what I can tell Biden doesn’t need an anger translator, he comes through just fine on his own.
Sure Lurkalot
@TheOtherHank: Your predicament hits home as I lost a well paying, high profile job at 55. Right smack during George W. Bush’s recession (2010). It was next to impossible to even garner an interview. Luckily I had decent severance and a bunch of unpaid leave.
I ended up working part time as an independent contractor for the next 7 years before I finally just retired. It covered the bills and I didn’t have to touch the funds set aside for full retirement. I was lucky to have that flexibility
ETA Good luck to you, I hope for the best!
wjca
In a prior thread, @Gloria DryGarden: asked
Here’s how I see it. Maybe 25%-30% of the population falls into the Trump cult / RWNJ category. Another 20%-25% are nominally Republicans, but not actually down the rabbit hole. Similarly on the left, maybe 25%-30% of the population (including most of the folks here) are liberal (or progressive, or whatever label you prefer). And another 20%-25% are nominally Democrats, but basically what get referred to dismissively here as “normies.” Those chunks in the middle are the ones you have to win over if you want to win an election.
To speak to Gloria’s question, it’s not that they don’t care. They can get every bit as upset over injustices as anyone here. BUT, they’re cautious. Risk averse, if you prefer. Someone who is poor is going to be aware that they are probably one bad break from disaster. Someone who is middle class is comfortable; but they know people who are poorer, and that they could all too easily slide that way.
Neither group is enthused about big changes. Possibly from first-hand experience with unintended consequences. And they have a perception (accurate or not) that liberals/progressives get so carried away with their plans for change that they ignore even the possibility of unintended consequences. So getting them to embrace beautiful dreams of a liberal future is a big lift.
In 2016, things had been mostly going OK for them under Obama. Trump was more amusing than scary for many of them. And Hilary Clinton had been demonized for years — for many of them, their entire adult lives. So enough of them opted for amusement. In 2020, covid had made a mess. And Trump had been more stressful than expected, so the safer choice was Biden. A Trump administration which built on the successful fast development of covid vaccines, and ignored the anti-vaxxers and crazy alternative “cure”, would very probably have gotten reelected — no matter the crazy stuff we were all too aware of.
This year, things for them personally are pretty good. The memory of Trump’s negatives has faded; what they remember is that things were mostly OK in their personal lives. That was largely thanks to a good economy that Trump inherited from Obama, but economics at the macro level isn’t their strong suit.
Which brings us to the state of the campaign this year. Harris was basically unknown to them. That was, potentially, a risk. They were undecided precisely because they didn’t yet know what that risk was. Let me repeat that — they are undecided because they are still deciding what that risk is. As they have seen more of Harris, their concerns abbout her have faded. And as they have seen more of Trump, concerns about the risk that he as an individual represents have risen. Hence the state of the race. Hence the chances the Democrats will win big.
Getting most of them worked up about Project 2025 isn’t easy; there’s just way too much of it. At best, one or two specifics from it that will hit them personally can be useful, assuming they aren’t so out there as to be viewed as fanciful and can get hammered over and over, because it raises their perception of the risk with Trump. More effective, in general, to keep getting Harris out there, where they can see her and decide “Not risky.” And get unedited videos of Trump out there, where they can see those and conclude “Way too risky.”
All of which, if you think about it, is exactly what the Harris campaign has been doing from day 1. That’s why they mostly ignore calls for more policy specifics. Because the critical audience (all those centerists/moderates in both parties) doesn’t need those, and mostly couldn’t follow them anyway. The only policies worth talking about are those, like abortion, where the risks are very clear and very personal
EDT This risk aversion is why this year’s VP candidates may make more difference that usual. Walz is practically the definition of Low Risk. And Vance seems to be trying hard to show himself to be high risk.
Quinerly
@Juju:
And, you are doing the right thing. I so enjoyed meeting you and your beautiful mother 10 years ago. I truly hope that down the road you will come out here for a visit. I am very sincere with my invite.
I certainly didn’t give up everything like you have had to do to care for your mother. I have a real difficulty discussing this in written word. But will try.
My father had a head injury in 2001. Dementia set in about 2 years after. He lived, at home, with my mother being his primary caretaker until his death from pancreatic cancer in 2008. I did have to leave my in house counsel job and set up a practice on my own so I could make monthly treks (1000 miles one way St. Louis to your neck of the woods in NC) to see him and give my mother who was in her 80’s breaks. We were a tribe of 3….as I have mentioned…my mother, my father, and I were all only children. I now have absolutely no family since my mother’s death 9 years ago today.
My mother was very strong-willed about no outsiders being involved in any care/help. Hindsight is always 20/20. I wish I had been more forceful with her. When my father was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer, I went home.. got the protocols and info from hospice….and laid in the bed with him, in the house I had grown up in, that he built in 1963, and dripped morphine and the anti nausea meds in his mouth to ease him out of this world. For 3 days. I pretty much held him the entire time.
Talks of ice flos are very insulting to those who have actually DONE what they think is the right thing. I am crying as I type this. Sure hope we can get together in the future. Would love for you to vacation here at some point. Hugs.
Quinerly
@The Audacity of Krope:
AND, FUCK YOU.
TS
@Baud:
My part of the world – judges have to retire at 70 – most people earlier including politicians – other than some hanging on to positions on Company/Government boards – or running private companies.
I don’t understand the need to keep working unless you need the money to survive & most members of congress certainly do not.
I retired at 55 (fortunately had a partner to keep paying the bills) & the years since have been the best of my life. Those who took on my paid job were thrilled to get promoted & I was more than happy to let them take over.
Quinerly
@TS:
What an excellent attitude and comment.
I retired at 58, 12/31/2019. Because I could. I was very lucky that I could. I am grateful every day.
wjca
No, it isn’t. (Unless they are convincing people that it would be physically dangerous to vote.)
Voter suppression is about making it difficult or impossible for people to vote. Merely persuading them not to bother to vote doesn’t qualify. And does distract from actual suppression efforts.
moonbat
@dnfree:
Our Constitution would have looked a lot different if they had barred Benjamin Franklin (then 81) from playing a role in its writing.
Some 55 year olds are incompetent boobs and some folks have it together way past their 70s. Blanket rules ignore context.
I know Biden would not have been nearly as effective a president if he hadn’t spent all those years in Congress, knew where all the bodies were buried, and how to get legislation through. I thank dog for his experience, even though he’s really OLD.
TBone
Kyle Cheney xit:
7:47 PM · Oct 17, 2024
The Audacity of Krope
@Juju: You don’t know my life and my relationships. Maybe check that attitude next time.
Gin & Tonic
@Quinerly:
I don’t wish to speak for others, but I suspect Krope is expressing this not as his opinion, but as his interpretation of what the current media environment believes should be the case.
scav
Tune in tomorrow when the usual suspects opine on how the democrats have failed us by Not Developing a Deep Bench of Future Candidates!
ArchTeryx
@Quinerly: And it leaves you much more time to just lead your life. Have fun. Take up hobbies. Hang out with friends. Whatever you enjoy. And I am very very glad you got that time to do it.
wjca
It’s frequently not a need, as such. More a matter of being doing something interesting. And having someone will to pay you while you do it. That’s why, at 77, I’m still working half time. I basically retired in my mid-50s. (Actually, got laid off, and discovered that job hunting was not in my skill set.) Then this came along, and I’ve been doing it going on two decades. Don’t need the money particularly; just interested.
Or, to put it another way, some people have hobbies in retirement which happen to pay. Sometimes even pay well.
HumboldtBlue
Kamala handling hecklers earlier today.
Citizen Alan
@ArchTeryx: I find it impossible to believe that any transgender person who is not also a millionaire (looking at you Catlyn Jenner) could fail to realize that the GOP is an existential threat to them, a powerful political force that thinks they should not exist. You have to be a millionaire as Jenner to think that it’s no big deal for red states to pass laws outlawing gender affirming care simply because you can always emigrate to some more tolerant state (or country if it comes to that).
The Audacity of Krope
@scav: Democrats are brimming with talent doing important work at all levels. Our cup overflows. The younger ones are growing into leadership and learning from the last generation instead of rushing to shift them aside. I trust them to decide when they want to seek a promotion.
Citizen Alan
@SatanicPanic: Arrogant pricks. Just how long should mainstream Democrats listen to the Purity Left consistently say “We will never vote for you until you give us everything we want, up to and including the abolition of Capitalism” before the Dems shrug and say “Okay, good luck with that. I’m off to find a persuadable centrist”?
Citizen Alan
@gene108: Very healthy 80-year-olds can go from “in reasonably good health and fairly sharp mentally” to “at death’s door” with astonishing quickness and little warning. My mother went from “spry and active” to hospice care in less than a year. My dad went even quicker, though in his case it was aftereffects of a near fatal accident he’d had 15 years earlier finally catching up to him.
Quinerly
@Citizen Alan:
Very true. All it takes is one misstep, a fall, a major health condition perculating up.
Quinerly
@wjca: 💙💚💛🩵
Quinerly
@ArchTeryx:
Thank you. I am lucky that I could retire sorta young. Not having children does make it easier. Life is trade offs, though. No children and no family….with most of my close friends being older….I realize I will probably die alone. I do feel good about my estate planning and elder care plan. I was very proactive about that just before more move from St. Louis to New Mexico since I was leaving a place I had lived and worked for almost 40 years. It was a rude awakening when it hit me that there probably won’t be anyone with a vested interest in me to drip morphine in my mouth to ease me out of this world…like I did for my father.
Quinerly
@Gin & Tonic:
I respect you. Love your comments. And, of course, adore your nym. (My favorite summer mixed drink is a “St. Charles” which is a G&T with extra lime and Peychaud’s bitters).
With that said, Krope is an asshole. Full stop.
Citizen Alan
@wjca: I’ve concluded that’s the real and pernicious danger of 3rd party candidates. The number of people who Ralph Nader and Jill Stein actively took from Gore and Clinton by getting those people to vote 3rd party was probably only a fraction of the number of voters who simply stayed home because they bought into the facile and reductive “Republicrat” framing but nevertheless realized it was pointless to drive across town and spend an hour waiting in line at the polls just to make a symbolic vote for the Green Party.
Juju
@The Audacity of Krope: I’ll check my attitude when you check yours.
The Audacity of Krope
@Juju: Bruh, I didn’t direct anything at caregivers and you have the daring, the gaul, the fucking chutzpah to introduce them as a rhetorical cudgel against me.
Again, you don’t know what I’ve experienced. Leave it at that.
RevRick
@Baud: He’s already said he won’t
Gvg
A factor in the democratic leadership being so old is that we kept losing elections and talent to republicans from Reagan through Bush jr. Bill Clinton and his centrism actually slowed the bleeding but didn’t stop it. We ended up with some really old leaders from deep blue states mostly. But when the tide started to turn as the Afghanistan and Iraq debacles plus recession dragged Bush down, Obama had success and we started to rebuild. We still lost some because of backlash to the ACA but Trump lost more seats and those elected have been very promising. We no longer have just old leaders. It’s always about the elections. Now the GOP is looking older. If we win a few cycles that will get more extreme.
Juju
@Quinerly: You and I are in a similar boat. I realize I too will probably die alone and I hope someone checks before the dogs have to eat me. I’m not sure I’d be good eating. I do have family and nieces and nephews who I adore, and have promised to check on me. I come from a larger family than you, but sometimes I feel as alone as you must have felt when your father and then mother died. I have my sister, who comes to take care of things for a day or two so I can have a break. I don’t know what I’d do without her and my dogs. hope I do get a chance to visit you in NM. I just don’t know when that will be, but thank you for giving me something to look forward to.
Quinerly
@Juju:
Hugs.
Soprano2
@The Audacity of Krope: My belief that TCFG has some kind of cognitive impairment isn’t based on anything I saw on a TV show, it’s based on experience with dementia and the knowledge of people who know a lot more about it than I do. I resisted thinking this for a long time, but his behavior the past few months has convinced me that something is wrong with him cognitively. It’s not about his age- if he were 50 and behaving that way I’d think something was wrong with him. People can develop dementia in their 50’s. Are we not allowed to mention it at all?
Juju
@The Audacity of Krope: When you use we’re, as in we are, in a sentence, that implies everyone, at least, in this group. Perhaps I drew a conclusion you didn’t intend, but that’s the way things read to me. Your statement came off as dismissive to me. I also never claimed to know your experiences and please don’t call me bruh.
frosty
@Quinerly: Retirement: you beat me by 30 days!
The Audacity of Krope
I will promise to refrain from that. Sorry, I often use it when disappointed or incredulous.
Quinerly
@frosty:
💙
Soprano2
@Juju: What you said. I hope you have support. If you do Facebook you should be able to find a good support group there. I did, and it’s helped me a lot.
Soprano2
@Quinerly: I’m so so sorry, I felt pain reading that. It’s too bad your mother felt that way, so far the caregivers have been great for us.
SectionH
@Tony Jay: I’m just a stupid American, but I never could see much of a problem with Corbyn, except for the English press. The AttackAttackAttackAttackAttack was just unreal. This is one issue Mr S and I will never reconcile I guess.
Ruckus
@EngineerScotty:
When people used to tell me I was going to hell, I’d always say “I hope so!”
They’d look at me like I was insane and then leave me alone. Which to me was the best outcome. I didn’t have to argue with them or discuss bullshit, they’d always just walk away. And never speak to me again. On occasion when I’d say I hope so, I’d add “Far more interesting people than all the goodie goodies who all lived like they were afraid of life.”
If there is an after life and a higher life force, they didn’t give us a sense of humor and then get mad when we used it.
K-Mo
Folks, try to make some space in your mind for cognitive decline that is not dementia. It is a normal process of living. Yes, it’s different for different people, and yes, there are compensating considerations such as the value of accumulated knowledge and relationships. But it’s inevitable that our suitability for specific jobs will vary over our lifespans.
Applying all this to Donald Trump is confusing to me because he is unfit in so many ways. But I’m glad if his recent, salient decline is costing him supporters.
Gloria DryGarden
I love that! I specialize in reverent irreverence.
I like believing in a higher life force, as you put it, because I need it. For a time, there was nothing else to trust or to hold onto, and I had to have some sense of something I could turn to, or rely on. I think my survival required it.
I understand that we (some of us, certainly not everyone) make up god, in our heads, because it’s a way to explain, or because we need a buddy. I needed a buddy. I forget, and do it all myself, but I can also turn to that, and it helps.
Its not sky daddy, although I grew up with white bearded toga throne sky daddy, and white middle class Jesus. Through my dialogue with an alanon sponsor, and through reading “the art of loving” by eric Fromm, and through having been introduced to the idea of god as a kid, I have formatted, and explored an appropriate case manager for myself, a team with several flavors and names. It works. They help if I ask and, if I quit having it be a diy project.
She never gets mad at me for yelling at her, blaming her, going away, or telling irreverent jokes about her/ them. A sense of humor is sometimes all I’ve got left.
fear not, I am deeply anti conversion. I can’t tell you who your case manager should be, or what that greater something might be, if you think there is something.
Gloria DryGarden
@wjca: this is such a helpful answer and explanation. I really appreciate it. Makes a lot of sense.
Chris T.
@bbleh:
Anyone under 35 isn’t qualified (per Constitution). And, as you note, any man over 25 is too old. Any woman over 40 is also too old (remember, men peak around 18 physically, while women take longer). So we should have a pool of qualified women who will be between 35 and 40 as our possible presidents!
(Serious? Snark? You decide!)