The entirety of GOA’s electoral strategy is this tweet. No one has stepped up to backfill the campaign funds lost in the NRA’s implosion and orgs to the NRA’s right spend much of their time telling their followers elections don’t matter. https://t.co/wGq9ZkXc59
— Max Steele (@maxasteele) October 16, 2024
Will Trump whine to the audience that gun owners don't vote?
(yes, yes he will, because he says that every time he talks to 2A audiences these days because they aren't putting up any serious money for him so he's just checking the box) https://t.co/Omztxj9Nqc
— Max Steele (@maxasteele) October 16, 2024
I, for one, am just as happy that the professional gun humpers have decided Trump is a sunk cost — it wouldn’t hurt my feelings if they retreated from politics entirely (fat chance). In my wildest dreams, maybe they’ve actually been spooked, not only by the implosion of the NRA, but by the increasing willingness of survivors and municipalities to hold gun sellers and ‘innocent’ parents / families / law enforcement agencies liable for mass shooting events…
Here is the problem, @guntruth: there aren't any!
Folks can roll the dice giving money to the @NRA but they're spending a small fraction of what they used to.@NSSF just does donor service stunt buys (Times Square lol)@GunOwners @gunpolicy et al reject electoral politics. pic.twitter.com/MvhX9F8QRN
— Max Steele (@maxasteele) October 16, 2024
No one has moved into the electoral work vacuum created by the @NRA's collapse and no one is showing any interest in fixing it.
— Max Steele (@maxasteele) October 16, 2024
Baud
🤞
satby
This is very good news. Though maybe we should be a little worried that the @GunOwners folks are rejecting electoral politics. Rejecting it in favor of armed insurrection?
sab
Here is hoping.
I live in the Midwest in a small city and I am so old that I remember when only experienced hunters had guns, The rough guys in my high school crowd had switchblades (illegal) and the rest of us thought they were idiots.
I went to summer camp where we learned gun safety from the NRA ( imagine that!!). 22s. Never aim at anyone you don’t want to kill. Assume all guns are loaded.
And yet my granddaughter had twelve years of active shooter training before we sent her out in the world.
Dangerman
Telephone or email. No knocking on doors. No shootouts desired at the Not OK corral.
I’ll be the last to know election returns; heart procedure on the 4th, may be pain pilled off my rocker for a couple days. If I’m lucky. Having something called the MAZE procedure.
What a cool acronym thought I.
Shit, it isn’t an acronym. They make a maze on the outside of the heart. What a boring name!
Baud
@satby:
I’ll take that trade. It would actually kill fewer innocent people.
Baud
@Dangerman:
Oh wow. Good luck.
Also, lucky you for finding the best way to get through election day.
satby
@Baud: agree. I’ve seen their training videos too.
sab
OT I adopted two of satby’s kittens last month. Breakthrough this week.
I had their names reversed so none of the advise from prior owner’s daughter made sense. So I followed my own instincts, and that agreed with the actual cat, and owners advice when I attached correct name to correct advice. So now that I have right name to right cat her advice makes sense.
Huge boy ( biggest, sweetest cat I have ever met) is living in our basement because he is afraid of our pitbull. Solomon. He is quite popular with our cats, who have to go to the basement anyway because the litter boxes are there. Solomon is huge but very gentle and polite. Deferential to all our girl-cats-with-attitude. He is huge. He doesn’t need to be deferential to anyone but he is because he is a nice guy.
Pitbull is harmless, hates dogs, loves cats. All our cats eventually figured this out. These guys will also.
New girl cat is shy. Spent weeks under beds upstairs. Pooped in a shower stall. Otherwise hid under beds. This week hid under my bed. I gave her a placemat and two dishes, one dry one wet catfood.
I heard her chomping at night. For the last three days after she ate she crawled into bed with me, sleeping on the pillow next to my head. Dislogging Dobby, who gracefully retired.
New cats are comfortable at new home, and older cats okay with new cats being here.
Next project is to get internet friendly camera to prove all this.
I am so sorry Steeplejack isn’t around to see our Dobby Demon cat rise to the occassion. Dobby has been great, a perfect little feline gentleman. Steep always was there to cheer for Dobby.
MagdaInBlack
@sab: Teeny Illinois farm town here. The conservation officer came to school and taught gun safety…and then we went out to the ball field and some of us did a little trap shooting
Eta: congratulations on the kitty break-through. (I’ve always had a soft spot for Dobby too.)
eclare
@sab:
Yay! All good news.
Betty Cracker
Flood refugee update: Bill and I found a place to stay for a few weeks while we wait out the rising water. We’ll set up there this afternoon. It’s not far away, so we’ll be able to check on our house. The refuge has a fenced backyard so the dogs can run free. There’s also a dog-friendly pub within walking distance. It will feel strange for all of us to temporarily live in town, but I’m confident we will adjust!
@Dangerman: Yikes! I hope your treatment is successful and that the recovery is as speedy and pain-free as possible, aided by a psychological boost via favorable election news.
eclare
We have three local ordinances here in Memphis to vote on regarding gun safety. TPTB in Nashville threatened to withhold sales tax revenue if we held the vote. A judge ruled we can vote.
This is bullshit.
arielibra
@Dangerman: “Shit, it isn’t an acronym.”
Famous last words from the AI apocalypse.
sab
@eclare: I inherited my grandfathers NRA safety medals. I went to summer camp in western North Carolina where I learned gun safety. Lifelong hunters I know are afraid to go out in the woods anymore because of the MAGA idiots with their new guns they don’t know how to use.
eclare
@Betty Cracker:
Yay! Happy you found a place.
Baud
@Betty Cracker:
Glad to hear.
JPL
@Betty Cracker: Good!
eclare
Got my covid and flu shots yesterday and was asleep by 7. So now I’m up. My arms are a little sore, one shot in each, but other than that fine.
Kroger had a deal: get two vaxx and get $20 on your card. I was going to do it anyway, but $20 cash, hell yeah!
HinTN
@eclare: Those high and mighty rural representatives congregated on Capitol Hill in Nashville think they are God’s gift to the heathen cities (and us godforsaken libs in the country, too). We send a couple of them every time. Fuck em.
Betty Cracker
Liz Warren’s response when her crypto-bro GOP opponent invoked his family to bolster his pro-choice cred a debate this week:
Well played!
eclare
@HinTN:
Quoted for truth.
Baud
@Betty Cracker:
Like.
NotMax
@Betty Cracker
Priorities.
;)
K-Mo
@Dangerman: I’ll do one better: I’ll vote for two gun owners.
p.a
@Betty Cracker: Don’t let them town-folk influence you with their pubs and paved roads and such…
Baud
@p.a:
She’ll miss the alligators in her backyard.
satby
@sab: duplicate
satby
@sab: Ok! This does make a bit more sense along the lines of the previous owner’s takes. Glad that everyone has settled in.
@Betty Cracker: very good news! Hope the flood crest isn’t as bad as predicted.
satby
I’m totally procrastinating getting ready to help at the market today. The next three days will have glorious fall weather and I just want to wallow in it outside.
eclare
@satby:
William and my dog were both snoozing on me earlier tonight, so cute. William and my kitty are still battling for top kitty, but they will sort it out.
Baud
@satby: I’m feeling lazier than my usual lazy self today too.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Dangerman: You made me look up MAZE procedure. I’m not sure I can forgive you.
Josie
The other grandmother and I take turns (one week on and one week off) hauling the two granddaughters back and forth to school and sitting with them until their parents come home. I just finished my week on and am exhausted. There is a reason why old women do not have babies. I love those two girls, but they wear me out. One is six years old and slightly autistic. The other is nine years old going on thirteen.
NotMax
@satby
Temps in the low to mid nineties the past few days.
Too dang hot for summer much less mid-October.
p.a.
Have to waste the great weather Mon & Tues (at least) on jury duty😖. Maybe I’ll next-day a “Kill Them All, Let God Sort Them Out ” t-shirt from Amazon so it’ll ONLY be Mon & Tue.
Salty Sam
I hear ya! We’ve finally turned the corner into fall weather here and it is so welcome!
The ragweed pollen, not so much. I’ve never been allergic before, but I guess Al Gore was right in predicting increasing allergies with climate change.
Damned ol’ Chinese hoaxters!
Tony Jay
And again, evidence that the MAGOP is hurting for cash now that Stench has blown up the RNC in his pursuit of
other people’s money to pay off his debtselection funding and his spiralling descent into unelectable incoherence has become common knowledge.I’m waiting for the first Opinion pieces to come out promoting the theory that it’s much more democratic for a campaign to rely on a couple of mega-rich donors than a slew of business and financial interests, because the former is a personal relationship that’s easier for the Media to keep a watchful eye on, while the latter is tantamount to being under the thumb of a diffuse lobbying entity that can hide behind armies of lawyers.
Once that starts, we’ll know for sure Stench is down to Musk and Thiel for handouts.
Baud
@Tony Jay:
In 2016, we had “he’s rich so he has no reason to be corrupt.”
Kay
@Josie:
I was really exhausted helping to care for two for just two weeks immediately after my daughter had number two. I ended up going to bed at 9 every night.
The younger has her christening Sunday. Their paternal grandfather is a retired Methodist minister and a Right leaning Pittsburgh Dem. I think (and hope!) he’ll tell me his views on Harris.I’m interested. I know he dislikes Trump (a lot) so that won’t be an option.
TBone
@Tony Jay: yep. Of note:
https://digbysblog.net/2024/10/18/trumps-grift-is-starving-his-campaign/
Tony Jay
@Baud:
I remember that!
I’d say (some) people were astoundingly naive, but no one deserves that much benefit of the doubt without peer-reviewed doctor’s notes. It was total bullshit then, and they knew it. Which is why it’s very likely something along those lines will be wheeled out to ‘justify’ Stench becoming a wholly owned subsidiary of Those Fuckin’ Guys’ investment arm.
mrmoshpotato
@Betty Cracker: Good to hear!
Chet Murthy
@Tony Jay: It wasn’t naive: it was gaslighting. Anybody in a position to be opining in the media knew the bastard was a crook from the jump. That they were writing that he wouldn’t be corrupt b/c he was rich was ….. well, absolute bullshit. It was designed to hoodwink the rubes out in the sticks, and nothing else.
I mean, he was simultaneously the bete noire of Doonesbury and Spy Magazine! That’s how notorious he was!
trnc
@Baud:
Turns out corruption appears to grow with wealth in most cases.
EarthWindFire
@Baud: Never occurred to any of them that he might have gotten rich by being corrupt. I know. I asked. It wasn’t pretty.
Lapassionara
@Baud: I was thinking about that this morning. Trump wasn’t even going to take his salary for presidenting. So pure, so selfless! Hah.
Josie
@Betty Cracker:
Glad to hear your news. Be sure to check the backyard fence for holes and such. I inherited my mother’s small dog, who double checked every fence she encountered and managed to escape multiple times.
Kay
The new lawsuit attempting to ban medication says that the state interest is that abortion medications suppress teen birth rates, thereby depriving the state of population the state is entitled to.
Teenage girls are baby factories for the state. The state is entitled to their bodies.
Ohio Mom
@Dangerman: MAZE may be a boring name but what a boon it will be if it works for you!
Please let us know when you’re recovering that you are all right.
Kay
Twenty years ago we were all celebrating the drop in the teenage birth rate.
Now the Right is suing to increase it and it will be barely covered as news.
We’ve already gone so far back and they only control about half the government.
Baud
@Kay:
I’m so old I remember when right wingers were concerned about women on welfare having too many kids.
Spanky
@Baud: Well, they were concerned about those women on welfare having too many kids. Their lily white offspring? No problem.
Baud
@Kay:
At this point, no one here should be surprised about what the media chooses to cover and not cover.
EarthWindFire
@Kay: And quality of parenting obviously isn’t a priority. Guess the state is entitled to the children as a labor force and teenage girls as the means of production. I knew they were the real socialists. Snark aside, this is horrible, medieval.
mrmoshpotato
@Kay: Is this a federal or state lawsuit?
TBone
More manipulation:
https://crooksandliars.com/2024/10/price-manipulation-polymarket-has-trumps
Buyer beware, just like the new wristwatches scam by Donold and every other scam they’re running.
TBone
@mrmoshpotato: info on the latest attack:
https://jessica.substack.com/p/abortion-pill-lawsuit-mifepristone
narya
Here’s a classic TBogg piece about the NRA.
frosty
@Betty Cracker: That sounds tailor-made for you and the dogs. Fingers crossed for a short stay as townies.
karen marie
@Betty Cracker: Congrats on securing temporary digs. I always wonder how people manage. It must be like musical chairs at times.
Chet Murthy
@Kay: I read your comment, and …. just been thinking about how one even responds to this sort of madness. I mean, whatever happened to individual liberty, to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? I know, I know, I know, that’s only for white men. Or something like that.
This is the sort of thing that starts a civil war.
Kay
@mrmoshpotato:
Federal
NotMax
@Chet Murthy
As the Dubya administration clearly stated, “quaint concepts.”
//
Chet Murthy
@NotMax: If those are quaint concepts, then “state’s rights” is downright paleolithic. Or erm, to put in terms those god-botherers would understand, antediluvian.
Princess
@TBone: I did a little dig into Polymarket in September. As I understand it, it makes money from a percentage on the trades, not from any particular outcome. If it has any clear financial incentive, it’s to juice number of trades, not to plump one side at the expense of the other. But since it’s only open to non-US citizens trading using crypto, it is going to appeal to a very particular demographic. I’ll leave you to guess what side youngish foreign men who use crypto lean to. So things like Silver’s aggregates which use a ton of mediocre polls, or sudden infusions of cash are likely to create narratives encouraging them to bet more.
Starfish
@Betty Cracker: Are you going to let Bill move you back to the woods after getting to be a big city girl in town?
I am glad that you have a safe place to stay, and I hope the flood waters stop rising soon.
Aimai
@Betty Cracker: Yay!
sdhays
@TBone: I think betting on elections is very, very silly, but if I was just a little bit into that kind of thing, I’d be tempted to put a big wager on Kamala. Not to be overconfident, but if a stupid billionaire is manipulating the market to give you larger odds than are warranted, he’s just asking you to take his money.
NotMax
@Chet Murthy
Don’t have the gumption to go look it up but clearly remember a spokesbot for that woebegone administration dragging out “a quaint concept” to describe the entirety of the Constitution.
Caused nary a ripple within the MSM.
Raoul Paste
@Betty Cracker:
Glad to hear. The fenced backyard is always helpful for dog maintenance.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
@Baud: When I saw the picture of Betty’s flooded yard, I was just thinking about water. I totally forgot that every puddle in Florida comes with its own resident gator.
karen marie
@EarthWindFire: He “got rich” by inheriting daddy’s money and then showboating. He bankrupted a casino.
I actually don’t remember “he’s already rich, so not corruptible.” I did and stil hear “he’s a successful businessman and we need such to better run government.”
Was Bush the Younger, touted as “the first MBA president,” so long ago that people forget how that worked out?
Betty
@Kay: It is truly stunning. I was a volunteer for family planning services back when conservative Republicans in PA backed funding them as a way to decrease the rate of abortion. We live in genuinely strange times.
Betty
@NotMax: As i recall it was Alberto Gonzales describing the Geneva Convention’s rule against torture. You remember the good old Bush torture days, right?
TBone
@Princess: thanks for that, the more we know!
TBone
@sdhays: 👍 if I were a gambler, gawds ferbid, I’d do the same.
Geminid
@Tony Jay: An analysis of campaign fundraising in 60 battleground Congressional races showed only two Republican candidates in the top twenty. The top ten were all Democrats. Source: Politico.
This did not account for outside PAC spending but those efforts are not as efgicient as direct contributions, and Democrats seem to be keeping up in that front.
Trump and his campaign are like a black hole sucking in Republicans’ money at the expense of their other candidates. The result will be a large Democratic House majority, and possibly continued Democratic control of the Senate.
Trump might not succeed in wrecking this country, but he has done quite a job wrecking the Republican Party. If the less feral wing of the Party succeeds in the power struggle that will follow a Trump loss, they stand to inherit a hollowed-out Republican Party.
Geminid
@TBone: Someone commenting on Polymarket’s oddsmaking said that British bookmaking outfits are more reliable. But even their odds are conditioned by the composition of the betting public, which is itself a relatively small number of people. I have not seen a demographic breakdown of political bettors, but I suspect it skews male and relatively affluent.
BlueGuitarist
@Baud:
wisdom of the founders: the Rich tend to be corrupt.
G. Morris at the Constitutional Convention, arguing for popular vote for president as check on the rich
Uncle Cosmo
@sab:
Tom Lehrer, The Hunting Song, ca. 1951.
frosty
@sdhays: Your comment made me seriously think about putting down a few bucks. Then I thought about jinxes and decided to leave well enough alone. I wouldn’t make enough on my bet to justify throwing the country and the world into chaos LOL.
rekoob
Another source for market data on Presidential Elections is The University of Iowa’s Iowa Electronic Markets. Here’s a link to the current market:
https://iemweb.biz.uiowa.edu/market/2024-u-s-presidential-election-markets/
In both the Vote Share and Winner Take All, predicting a popular vote win for the Democrats. We know this is not sufficient to win the Presidency, but it is a useful indicator and well-regarded.
Mai Naem mobile
I used to see the a lot of vehicles(usually trucks) with the NRA emblem sticker. Quite a few ‘I’m an NRA member and I vote’ bumpersticker too. I can’t remember the last time I saw one of those. The emblem stickers I see are usually on older trucks like maybe the previous owner stuck it on and the new owner either couldnt peel it off or couldn’t be bothered to get it off.
frosty
@Geminid: If I were a less feral Republican I would want to inherit a hollowed-out party – one that the grifters had walked away from. That’s the only chance I would have to build an honest party again – from scratch.
RevRick
I wouldn’t take too much comfort in the fact that gun organizations aren’t pumping in the kind of money that they used to, because thanks to the Supreme Court Heller decision, they’ve basically won. They claim they’re doing it for freedom, but actually they’re demanding that the rest of us kowtow to them. For them, freedom only means their “freedom.” There can be no freedom when the other guy sticks a gun in your face.
Trivia Man
@p.a: And if you see a See-Ment pond thats just a fancy city folk swimmin hole.
Trivia Man
@Spanky: white babies go to quiverfull families – never enough!
Trivia Man
@Starfish: How will you keep her down on the farm, after she’s seen par-ee?
Eunicecycle
@TBone: since Americans can’t even participate in Polymarket, I don’t see how it’s predictive of anything!
Tony G
@satby: Maybe. But my impression of those “tough guys” is that they’d like Somebody Else to risk their lives in an armed insurrection, while they stay home drinking beer and eating Cheetos.
Tony Jay
@Geminid:
Surely that must fit on a T-Shirt.
In fact, if the TRUMP and REPUBLICAN were in super capital big bold and brightly coloured, with the rest of the words in small white font no one would bother reading, I bet you could make a killing selling them outside his rallies.
Only three weeks to go before that opportunity passes you by.
WaterGirl
@Kay: That is utterly disgusting.
RaflW
@Kay: And conservatives want to put them to work at younger and younger ages.
“[An] Iowa bill, which was enacted, expanded hazardous employment for children as young as 14—in violation of federal law. The bill also set up a ‘work-based learning’ program under which 16-year-olds can perform hazardous work like roofing and demolition that is generally prohibited under federal law for anyone younger than 18.”
NotMax
@RaflW
It’s not just for flyover states anymore.
CaseyL
@Betty Cracker: I’m surprised and impressed (because I thought there would be a lot of competition for alternate digs) and very happy for you. I hope you have just enough town/city life to enjoy it, and still be happy when you can go back to your swamp.
I sent off some Ohio postcards yesterday, and today’s goal is to finish off the 200 NC postcards. We’re not supposed to mail them until the 24th, but that date was set before Helene, so I’m going to mail them a few days early.
Honus
@Dangerman: I had that procedure last year. You will feel immensely better immediately. You don’t actually know how bad you feel right now.
kindness
The NRA wishes they still were getting that sweet, sweet Russia money that was being funneled in during 2016. Too bad for they their Russian honeypot got caught honeypotting with multiples of them and the receipts, and a little time in jail as a result. And that spigot dried up. Karma does happen, eh?
moonbat
@BlueGuitarist: Nailed it!
Soprano2
@Kay: No state is entitled to population, that’s nuts.
Another Scott
@Soprano2: +1
Someone expressed it as:
“States don’t have rights, people do.”
It’s a good reminder that language shapes the debate, and we cannot let the monsters control the language.
Cheers,
Scott.
Kosh III
@HinTN: Yep. We need to get rid of Theocrat Lee and all the other ammosexual autocrats.
We will vote Monday for Harris and Johnson and any other D on the ticket even though we will probably get stuck again with Janice Bowling and Scott (my mistress had an abortion) Desjarlais.
sigh…..
WaterGirl
@Dangerman:
Kosh III
@RaflW: Ages ago when I was 14 I had to go to the Courthouse and get some sort of permission to work. ]sarcasm alert] Very dangerous work delivering newspapers on my bicycle.
jonas
You *still* hear MAGA supporters trotting this out when they talk to reporters. MAGA News Bubble — it’s one hell of a drug.
jonas
@Kay: What’s next, a lawsuit to reclassify women as livestock for purposes of medical care, transport, and nutrition? Wait, scratch that. I think they would actually treat cattle better.
ljdramone
@sab: When I was a kid my dad owned a farm on Catoctin Mountain in western Maryland. During deer rifle season, we stayed out of the woods and wore blaze orange walking around the property.
That was 40 years ago, when deer hunters generally had single shot bolt action hunting rifles. I can’t imagine what it’s like with idiots running around with “modern sporting rifles”* these days.
*AR-15 / M4 clones
evodevo
@MagdaInBlack: Yep…same here – fifth grade. another girl and I were the champs LOL – beat all the boys.
Mary
@Dangerman: Good luck with your procedure.
Chris T.
@Dangerman: So you have afib?
Let us know how it turns out … Spousal Unit has afib too.