Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

“But what about the lurkers?”

Wake up. Grow up. Get in the fight.

Too often we hand the biggest microphones to the cynics and the critics who delight in declaring failure.

Republicans do not trust women.

Republicans: The threats are dire, but my tickets are non-refundable!

Trump’s cabinet: like a magic 8 ball that only gives wrong answers.

These days, even the boring Republicans are nuts.

They don’t have outfits that big. nor codpieces that small.

… gradually, and then suddenly.

Celebrate the fucking wins.

The line between political reporting and fan fiction continues to blur.

All hail the time of the bunny!

The Giant Orange Man Baby is having a bad day.

Republicans don’t want a speaker to lead them; they want a hostage.

Tick tock motherfuckers!

“Until such time as the world ends, we will act as though it intends to spin on.”

There are consequences to being an arrogant, sullen prick.

Let’s delete this post and never speak of this again.

Shallow, uninformed, and lacking identity

If you can’t control your emotions, someone else will.

Republican also-rans: four mules fighting over a turnip.

This year has been the longest three days of putin’s life.

The press swings at every pitch, we don’t have to.

A tremendous foreign policy asset… to all of our adversaries.

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Wonkette is a national treasure, and this Evan Hurst post deserves the widest possible circulation… “Maybe Elon Musk *Is* The 2024 Russian Election Attack”:

With a week and a half to go until the election — and nothing but chaos in sight between now and then — a huge article has come out in the Wall Street Journal about Elon Musk’s secret telephone tonguefuck sessions with blood-covered Russian baby murderer Vladimir Putin, which brings to mind just one question for us:

Is the 2024 Russian attack on the US election actually just one pathetically needy absolute loser of a richest man in the world named Elon Musk?…

  • Putin and Elon been having their little secret fuckchats for a while now, going back as far as 2022, plus Elon’s had other fuckchats with other Russian bigwigs close to Putin.
  • Putin was like hey Elon, can you plz not let Taiwan have Starlink? Asking for a friend who is the dictator-for-life of China.
  • Though Elon was initially supportive of Ukraine’s side in the Russia/Ukraine war— as one would expect any decent person to be, since it’s customary to defend the side that gets invaded for no reason, which in this case also happens to be our ally, as opposed to the side that does the invading/baby murdering — he quickly changed his tune on that later in 2022, when he wouldn’t let Ukraine’s military use Starlink for any kind of offensive operations. Guess who benefited from that? Elon has said he wouldn’t allow it because he — in his infinite fucking wisdom about goddamned nothing — was pretty sure it would cause a nuclear war. Any idea who whispered that Kremlin lie in his butthole? We can only imagine.
  • One of the Russian officials Elon has fuckchatted with is Putin’s first deputy chief of staff Sergei Kiriyenko, who according to the US government has created domains for the spread of Kremlin disinfo, including on the Nazi hell-husk formerly known as Twitter, which Elon owns.
  • The Kremlin has put pressure on Elon and his businesses, and there have been “implicit threats against him.” Cool friends, dude. Beggars can’t be choosers, we guess.

    • As we have discussed previously here, there is just about no Russian propaganda Elon Musk isn’t a stupid enough useful idiot not to fall for. Whenever he speaks on the subject, it’s amazing how he just barfs out whatever Putin wants…

    As the WSJ notes, Elon Musk has billions of dollars of US government contracts, and is the “primary rocket launcher for the Pentagon and NASA.” He has a classified clearance. So it’s kind of weird to have him tongue-fucking our sworn enemies’ assholes on the side, yeah? Could all this be a problem, eh, President Joe Biden?…

    And now Elon has basically moved to Pennsylvania to help “stop” (start) the steal for Donald Trump, who has basically promised that if he’s elected, Elon will get to be the secretary of making sure nobody ever tells Elon no.

    Seems like in an ideal world the US government would probably immediately cancel all of Elon Musk’s government contracts, immediately open a criminal investigation, and perhaps even confiscate all the Walmart wastebasket-on-wheels Cybertrucks to make sure they’re not covertly spying for the Kremlin…

    you have to wonder if there has been (or will be) a point where trump wises up to the fact that musk isn’t campaigning for trump, he’s basically campaigning as shadow president

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    — GOLIKEHELLMACHINE (@golikehellmachine.com) October 26, 2024 at 9:19 PM

    reasonably certain that the first person on trump’s hit list when he loses this time is going to be musk. he won’t even be entirely wrong.

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    — GOLIKEHELLMACHINE (@golikehellmachine.com) October 26, 2024 at 9:30 PM

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    4. 4.

      Gloria DryGarden

      The heather cox Richardson letter covers the nazi rally and media reactions really well. I can’t link it, but I hope someone will.

      it’s disturbing, but clear

    6. 6.

      Betty Cracker

      Seems like in an ideal world the US government would probably immediately cancel all of Elon Musk’s government contracts, immediately open a criminal investigation…

      Musk used his personal control of Starlink to restrict Ukraine’s use about two years ago after he fell for Putin’s bullshit. He got away with that bit of outrageous foreign policy freelancing, maybe because the U.S. government is too dependent on SpaceX for satellite communications and ISS supply deliveries and personnel transport.

      This has emboldened the sumbitch, who now uses his personal control of x-Twitter to spread disinformation and corruptly interfere in the election. As usual, the lack of accountability leads to worse behavior.

      The same pattern applies to Trump and the top coup plotters. We don’t have unlimited opportunities to rein those bastards in.

    7. 7.

      Rusty

      Thinking about our crappy media, I’ve come back a couple of times this week to Josh Marshall’s comment that for the NYT and WP, we confused cosmopolitan social values for liberalism.  At their core both papers support the conservative establishment and wealth.  It really does help explain a lot.  From acceptance of the LGBTQ community (well, especially the NYT, maybe not the T), economics that favor cheap labor, to weird obsessions with the Ivy League.   Ultimately they are not our friends.

    8. 8.

      Chet Murthy

      @Chet Murthy: This was troubling.  yet another sign that even we on the progressive side aren’t up to the example of our forebears.

      In 1939, as about 18,000 American Nazis rallied inside Madison Square Garden, newspapers reported that a crowd of about 100,000 anti-Nazis gathered outside to protest. It took 1,700 police officers, the largest number of officers ever before detailed for a single event, to hold them back from storming the venue.

    10. 10.

      sab

      @Chet Murthy: The only option for protest back then was to riot in response. Now we have social media.

      Which is better? I don’t know. I do know that Black Lives Matter shut down (but didn’t shut up)  pretty quickly when Proud Boys types showed up pretending to be BLM while doing property damage. Liz Cheney back then was blaming everything on Antifa. Now she isn’t. I think our side is doing better without doing performative stuff that helps fuel backlash.

      I support BLM. I think they have a good sense of when to protest and when not to feed into the other side’s narrative.

    11. 11.

      gene108

      @Rusty:

      Josh Marshall’s comment that for the NYT and WP, we confused cosmopolitan social values for liberalism.

      That’s a really good explanation.

    12. 12.

      Central Planning

      @gene108: I thought the statement that “The owners of the WaPo and LA Times are cowards” was more succinct and easier for people to understand.

    13. 13.

      Jeffro

      those GO LIKE HELL MACHINE tweets miss the point entirely – trump doesn’t care who backs him as long as they back him, and he doesn’t care who thinks they’re going to be ‘shadow president’ because trump KNOWS he’s smarter than everyone else, right?

      they’re more than happy to continue mutually using each other to get what they want.  which is why they’re easy fodder for Putin, and why they’re so dangerous to have in positions of power and influence.

    14. 14.

      TS

      @Central Planning:

      They are cowards in that they do not wish to say out loud that they support trump – given most of their readers support MVP – they probably realise the bind they are in – especially when Kamala wins the election.

      I find it interesting that the media and the gop politicians bow down to trump – in case he wins – they know they don’t have to do this for democratic candidates because democrats do not let the politics of an individual determine the treatment of that individual by an administration.

    15. 15.

      gene108

       

       

      @Central Planning:

      I think it explains some of the culture in “liberal” national news agencies that slant coverage favorably towards conservatives. What some consider as liberalism is more the result of things like conservative evangelical Christianity never taking root in cities versus people there being all in on liberal causes.

    16. 16.

      Bruce K in ATH-GR

      Since it’s an open thread, and given the Nazi rally last night, I thought I’d mention that this morning in Greece, there were parades celebrating telling fascists to go to hell. (October 28 is Ohi Day, a Greek national holiday.)

    17. 17.

      TBone

      We never walk alone, thank you everyone for the myriad comfort to be found here at BJ 🌹😻🐈🎶

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E5M7l_z93rg

      “Grace comes into the soul, as the morning sun into the world; first a dawning; then a light; and at last the sun in its full and excellent brightness.” – Thomas Adams

    18. 18.

      Baud

      @gene108:

      Liberals have a bad habit over overestimating their numbers and then believing better messaging on liberalism will bring more people in.

    19. 19.

      montanareddog

      @TS: Just the modern variant of Pascal’s wager. I back Trump publicly and Harris wins, so what; I back Harris and Trump wins, I risk retribution. It’s a venal, but understandable, response to asymmetric political warfare.

    22. 22.

      Gloria DryGarden

      @Baud: not better messaging about liberalism…
      So, instead, what do you recommend?

      fighting fear mongering w fear mongering? Seems what I default to, though I don’t like it..

    24. 24.

      mappy!

      And who is more attracted to the appearance of congeniality within a class of entitled cosmopolitan elites than generational wealth? For those outside of that club, the problem may be that of confusing congeniality with caring.

    28. 28.

      satby

      @Baud:  And while everyone chases the new squirrel, the news about the widening war in the mideast as well as the future plans to improve life here by the Harris administration get less attention. Fortunately, I think it focusses our voters even more.

      Voting early today myself.

    34. 34.

      TBone

      Chinese Hackers Collected Audio From Unnamed Trump Campaign Adviser, Washington Post Reports

      Oct. 27, 2024, at 6:03 p.m.

      WASHINGTON (Reuters) -Chinese state-affiliated hackers intercepted audio from the phone calls of U.S. political figures including an unnamed campaign adviser of Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump, the Washington Post reported Sunday. The FBI and the U.S. Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency said on Friday they were investigating unauthorized access to commercial telecommunications infrastructure by people associated with China.

      Trump’s campaign and the FBI did not immediately respond to a request for comment. The Post also reported the hackers were able to access unencrypted communications like text messages, of the individual.

    39. 39.

      Bruce K in ATH-GR

      @J.: I was thinking the same thing, over a year ago, with his space business, his amorality, and his lack of understanding of basic kindness.

    40. 40.

      Baud

      @J.:

      A team of marines sent by the U.S. government invade the space station, resulting in a laser battle in which Drax’s “master race” are all killed

       

      If President Harris doesn’t do this, I’m not voting in 2028.

    43. 43.

      gene108

      @Baud:

      @Gloria DryGarden:

      I think the issue liberals have is we overlook people’s self-interest as a driving factor in their actions. I’m not meaning greedy or selfish.

      People who  aren’t against LGBTQ+ plus rights, try to be environmentally conscious, etc. like liberal ideas, when they are in the “concepts of a plan” stage, but if the implementation is perceived to negatively impact them, they will come out against.

      Messaging has to overcome behavior and that takes an effort like getting people to comply with seatbelt laws, for example.

    44. 44.

      Baud

      @gene108:

      That makes sense. I think we get too frustrated at how long things take to change and end up expressing that in ways that are unproductive. IMHO.

    45. 45.

      J.

      @Baud: Agreed. I mean, why have Space Force if you aren’t going to use them? (Question: Do you think they’ll be using Jewish space lasers?)

    47. 47.

      Baud

      I’ve noticed this weird thing going on at reddit where neither side can figure out it’s better for them to portray the race as a close or to predict an Harris win.

      Just reinforces my decision to eschew the practice of trying to predict the future.

    49. 49.

      Gloria DryGarden

      @Baud: what a juicy terse rich statement.

      i wish I could see a mind map or chart of all the pieces you’re considering in this set of heightened contradictions

      as I try to tease out all the things you might mean, that I wish to understand, I flip through a range of disparate images, and ended with this

      one lie, alone, tears the fabric of reality.

    51. 51.

      Gloria DryGarden

      @lowtechcyclist: I wish that  named island/ person weren’t as big as the pacific garbage patch.
      i need him to fit on that island napoleon went to.
      Or maybe a hut on kergulen island. ( sp?)

    52. 52.

      Betty

      It looks as if we can thank Don Jr and Stephen Miller for making sure we understand what another Trump Presidency would be like. Between bringing in J. D. and holding a Nazi rally, they certainly have heightened the contradictions.

    56. 56.

      Balconesfault

      @Rusty:  I’ve been saying that about the FTFNYT for decades pushing back on right wingers calling them liberal.

      They’re liberal on wanting women and gays to have rights. On economics their constituency is Wall Street… they want Dems to be able to step in and fix the economy when Republican policies really screw things up, but they never want Dems to get strong enough to raise Corporate, capital gains, or top marginal tax rates.

      That’s probably the real basis for their decades long Clinton hatred. He proved that the economy actually did better when you reversed some tax cuts.

    57. 57.

      gene108

      @Baud:

      That makes sense. I think we get too frustrated at how long things take to change and end up expressing that in ways that are unproductive. IMHO.

      I also think some people fall in love with an idea and don’t look at why someone who supports a goal, in general, does not support a specific proposal.

      Medicare for All is one example that springs to mind of a plan that has a goal people agree with, affordable universal healthcare, but doesn’t have broad popular support. Proponents of the plan don’t seem willing to address criticisms.

    59. 59.

      Gloria DryGarden

      On the other hand,

      when I go inside, dancing my prayers, or finding imagery to represent ms Harris,

      i see her holding up a light, like our famous statue, , like a goddess…
      but also, light streaming into her, and emanating from her. Not like the personal spiritual light I notice and look for in people, but like she’s holding up a light to guide us onto a good path, and holding light for the common persons here.
      be it so.

    61. 61.

      TBone

       An internal memo from those closest to Donald Trump puts forth a plan for the former president to “bypass traditional background checks” and give appointees “immediate access to classified secrets after taking office,” according to Maggie Haberman of the New York Times.

      Haberman, along with Jonathan Swan and Charlie Savage, on Sunday published a piece in which they reveal the details of the memo, which “says that if elected he should use private firms to check appointees’ backgrounds and give them immediate access to classified secrets after taking office.”

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/leaked-memo-reveals-plan-for-trump-to-skip-traditional-background-checks-if-elected-nyt/ar-AA1t1tLk

      fElon Skum – Superintendent of You Get A Pass (in exchange for a blue check and lifetime subscription).

    62. 62.

      Dorothy A. Winsor

      @Gloria DryGarden: Early morning poetry:

      what a

      juicy

      terse

      rich statement.

      i wish I could see a mind map

      or chart of all the pieces you’re considering

      in this set of heightened contradictions

      as I try to tease out all the things you might mean,

      that I wish to understand,

      I flip through a range of disparate images,

      and ended with this:

      one lie, alone, tears the fabric of reality.

    64. 64.

      Jeffro

      @TBone: just another mob trump bust-out scheme…grab all the secrets you can as fast as you can and start the black-market auctions

    65. 65.

      Dorothy A. Winsor

      @gene108: When I was revising in response to reviewers’ analysis of some scholarly article I’d written, I often found it useful to try to look past the specific criticism the reviewer was making and see what they were really objecting to. They knew something was wrong at a place in the manuscript, but they identified it incorrectly. If I could fix the place some way that was agreeable to me, they were usually just as happy. Medicare for All is in that same category. You have to figure out what the objection is really about.

    66. 66.

      TBone

      @Gloria DryGarden: you evinced the Statue of Liberty poem:

      The New Colossus

      Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
      With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
      Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
      A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
      Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
      Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
      Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
      The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
      “Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
      With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
      Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
      The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
      Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
      I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

      Emma Lazarus
      November 2, 1883

    70. 70.

      Baud

      @TBone:

      As bad as the bigotry is, it’s the ho-humming about national security that really blows my mind. We’re used to bigotry in the US. We’re not used to people selling out the country to foreign powers.

    71. 71.

      lowtechcyclist

      “America is for Americans and Americans only” -Stephen Miller

      “Germany is for Germans and Germans only”- Adolf Hitler

      Fuck that shit!

      “Coming to America” – Neil Diamond

    72. 72.

      TBone

      @Baud: and it’s been weirdwashed to hell and back also too.  Nothing to see here, move right along!

      BTW where is Pompeo?  He didn’t lose all that weight for nothing.

    73. 73.

      schrodingers_cat

      @Baud: It is understandable if racism and bigotry are the animating factors. They’d rather burn everything down than share it with those they deem inferior.

      The ends of the horseshoe are in agreement on that one

      The entire Gaza discourse is to create a permission structure for the tankie left to do what they always do, not vote for the Democrat.

    76. 76.

      Geminid

      Sometimes good news can be the absence of bad news. That may have been the case Friday night when Israel staged its promised retaliation for Iran’s October 1 ballistic missile attack. Now that the dust has settled, both nations are in effect declaring victory.

      So for now at least, Israel and Iran have avoided an escalatory spiral that could have led to a very destructive war. This does not mean the conflicts and suffering in the Middle East will get any better before Election Day, but they could have gotten a whole lot worse this weekend.

    77. 77.

      TBone

      @TBone: comment seen in response:

      Why have just one traitor sharing our secrets with the baddies, when we could have scores of them? Everybody gotta eat!

    81. 81.

      Gloria DryGarden

      @Geminid: we need to keep coming down these escalations and escalators.

      and never go back up any of these golden or ballistic escalators

    82. 82.

      lowtechcyclist

      @Baud: ​
       

      The world is waiting to see how the election turns out.

      Which of two extremely divergent alternate realities we will find ourselves in, nine days from now.

    85. 85.

      lowtechcyclist

      @Baud:

      Plus, as much as I detest Musk, SpaceX and Starlink provide valuable services that aren’t easily to replicate.

      Just nationalize those suckers. Official act!

    87. 87.

      Gloria DryGarden

      @lowtechcyclist: everyone of us who is immigrant or descended from immigrants will have to move then.

      i don’t think my one drop of indigenous is going to give me a passport.
      my ancestors are from a bunch of places, this is going to get tricky

    89. 89.

      Lapassionara

      @Baud: This! Trump is a national security risk even when he is NOT in office. How can so many be so blind to this critical issue?

    92. 92.

      Gloria DryGarden

      @Dorothy A. Winsor: and also document Donnie, damaging , disgorging our design, details divulged, dancing with dictators,

      diverting our attention… dividing our demographics, destabilizing democracy.

      solo para darse más dinero.
      final grade: D minus.

      or maybe F. Double F.

    95. 95.

      catclub

      @lowtechcyclist: “America is for Americans and Americans only” -Stephen Miller

       

      No. America is great BECAUSE we are a nation of immigrants. It is our greatest strength.

    98. 98.

      Gloria DryGarden

      @Lapassionara:This! Trump is a national security risk even when he is NOT in office. How can so many be so blind to this critical issue?

      exactly. He needs to be background checked, and if he can’t pass security clearance, there needs to be no way to override it.

      not that long ago, England got rid of a king bcs he was pro nazi.( It’s been starting to be revealed. All that about marrying a divorcée, that just worked out well. There were big reasons to have him not be king. ) what would our world have been like, otherwise?

      The documents case, and the obvious  possibility that he’s shared info, the treason levels of it, it’s like a very loud tornado warning bell in the back of my mind. Is there some legal machination brewing? I sure hope so. The slower it goes, the longer he has to leak a few more things, slip then a few docs from his hidden cache, th3 ones they couldn’t retrieve, 5he locked closet, the boxes sent on a plane, the un searched other properties.
      is there any reason to not be highly suspicious?

    99. 99.

      lowtechcyclist

      @Gloria DryGarden:

      my ancestors are from a bunch of places, this is going to get tricky

      So are mine!  Only one of my grandparents was born on this continent.  The other three were born in Edinburgh, Kyiv, and a village outside of Warsaw.

      This is a nation of immigrants.  People who made the decision to leave behind everything they’d known, and travel hundreds or thousands of miles to a strange land, in the hope that they’d be able to make a better life.

      Those people from Haiti or Venezuela that Trump loves to tell made-up horror stories about? It wasn’t easy for them to get here.  It’s total bullshit that we got their rejects – we got the ones that didn’t just stay behind and suffer, but were willing to do something about it, even if that meant throwing away everything they had, and coming here and taking shit jobs like working in chicken processing plants so their kids could grow up with opportunities.  These are people who will renew our country and make it stronger and greater than ever.
      So like I said, fuck that Nazi shit. They’re still coming to America, and that’s still a marvelous thing, something to be celebrated.​

    100. 100.

      Anonymous At Work

      First person on the new administration’s hit list if TFG wins will be TFG.  Vance and Elmo will convince TFG to nominate Thiel-bots to the Cabinet and then 25th TFG.

    102. 102.

      lowtechcyclist

      @Gloria DryGarden:

      two roads diverged in the woods

      … and miles to go before I sleep.

      is this from 2 different poems? Odd the few lines that stayed with me.

      Yeah, two different poems.  The second one starts off:

      Whose woods these are, I think I know
      His house is in the village, though

      The scary thing is, I remember the first and last verses of a Mad Magazine parody of it that I haven’t read in nearly sixty years:

      Whose car this is, how should we know?
      The keys are here. Hop in, let’s go!
      …
      The seats are comfy, soft and deep
      But we’ve a zigzag course to keep
      To shake the cops before we sleep,
      to shake the cops before we sleep.

      By the time you hit 70, your brain is like a very cluttered attic.

    103. 103.

      Liminal Owl

      @Gloria DryGarden: Yes. The first (actually “a wood,” not “the woods”) is from The Road Less Travelled, and the second from Stopping By Woods on a Snowy Evening.  Both Robert Frost, though.

    105. 105.

      Geminid

      @catclub: These oil price drops also reflect a consensus regarding prospects of a wider war, at least for the short term. Now market analysts are back to evaluating basic supply and demand questions.

      The Oil Price site is a good source on these matters. At the top of their home page they display four prices: West Texas for the US, Brent for the North Sea, and Murban for the United Arab Emirates, plus a price for natural gas. There’s also a space reading, “Click here for prices for 150 other markets” that I’ve never clicked.

      Last week Oil Price reported that worldwide oil shipments continue to set records and in September were 103.7 million barrels a day. The US produces a little over 13 million bb/day of that total. The rate of growth is slowing though, especially for Chinese imports.

    106. 106.

      Betty Cracker

      @Dorothy A. Winsor: It’s been two years since Musk essentially took personal control of U.S. foreign policy by restricting Ukraine’s ability to conduct offensive operations on land Russia stole. I’m not a lawyer, but I’ve seen a government contract or two in my time, and the ones I’ve read bind contractors tightly to a scope of work and rules that conform to standards the government sets. Hard to believe Musk’s actions would be okay under a competently written contract. It seems like there would be ways to play hard ball without outright nationalizing the company, such as requiring the board to sideline Musk if they want to keep the contract. I don’t know. But the current setup seems untenable.

    109. 109.

      MinuteMan

      @Baud: ​I don’t know how we grow our ranks.

      By getting lots of stuff done at the national level. Trying to persuade or shout over the others isn’t likely to work— hasn’t so far, anyway.

    113. 113.

      Bill Arnold

      @Geminid:

      Now that the dust has settled, both nations are in effect declaring victory.

      Yeah, the Israelis uncharacteristically carefully calibrated their response. It looked very much like Iranian-style response calibration.
      Good to see. Kinetic messages were delivered by both parties, without starting a (full) war.

    114. 114.

      SomeRandomGuy

      If you’ve ever seen “The Interview”, you’d know that the term is not “fuckchating”, it’s “honeydicking” (the reverse of a “honeypot” trap). If you’ve seen the movie, you’ve also heard the term about n+10 times more than any human being needs to hear it, where “n” is the actual number of times the term is used in the movie.

      I say this only because the movie was ridiculous, and didn’t make a whole lot of sense, and, it involved a juvenile protagonist. So, as you see, it describes Elon Musk’s activities perfectly, and as such, veritas demands we use the correct term, from the film.

      Um. These are not my rules, see – in fact, I don’t have any rules! But I’m pretty sure it *is* a rule, somewhere.

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