Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Not so fun when the rabbit gets the gun, is it?

Republicans seem to think life begins at the candlelight dinner the night before.

If a good thing happens for a bad reason, it’s still a good thing.

Prediction: the gop will rethink its strategy of boycotting future committees.

We still have time to mess this up!

President Biden is doing good where he can, and getting it done.

Fuck these fucking interesting times.

Let there be snark.

One of our two political parties is a cult whose leader admires Vladimir Putin.

Cancel the cowardly WaPo and set up an equivalent monthly donation to ProPublica.

Nancy smash is sick of your bullshit.

This fight is for everything.

“woke” is the new caravan.

“What are Republicans afraid of?” Everything.

Tide comes in. Tide goes out. You can’t explain that.

Russia bombs Ukraine’s maternity hospitals; Republicans in the House can’t sort out supporting Ukraine.

American History and Black History can not be separated.

Don’t expect peaches from an apple tree.

Whatever happens next week, the fight doesn’t end.

Somebody needs to explain to DeSantis that nobody needs to do anything to make him look bad.

Stop using mental illness to avoid talking about armed white supremacy.

A thin legal pretext to veneer over their personal religious and political desires.

The Supreme Court cannot be allowed to become the ultimate, unaccountable arbiter of everything.

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Saturday Evening Open Thread: Once Again, TFG Shoots Himself in the Foot

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You’d think someone as physically cowardly as TFG would know better than to threaten a Cheney with guns, but senile disinhibition is a terrible affliction. It is perhaps a comfort for some of those suspicious of Cheney’s intentions in a Harris / Walz adminstration that this incident pretty clearly sets her up as head of the post-Trump Republican party…

“Picking fly specks out of pepper” was one of my Irish granny’s favorite insults for juvenile rules-lawyers…



Trump’s doubled down, of course…

My sister is Chairperson of Forsyth County Georgia Republicans for Harris Organization. In order to join, you must have voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020. She currently has 1,345 members. Since the Liz Cheney comment last night, over 700 more women joined. They’re all voting on Tuesday.

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  4. 4.

    hrprogressive

    It’s wild to me that after nearly a decade of saying some of the most unhinged and dangerous shit ever to be taken seriously by our corporate media, it’s within the last 2 weeks or so of this campaign that he’s finally said a few things that actually appear to have angered and upset enough people to have

    1) Broken thru the noise of all his other insane shit
    2) Be called out as such by mainstream media

    It would have been nice if this type of moment could have come before he won in 2016, for example, but coming now is much better than coming “too late”.

  7. 7.

    Chris Johnson

    The important thing is, remember who made excuses for this asshole. The way it’s progressed, meant that people got out over their skis and ended up making excuses and completely absurd, ridiculous justifications for shit that don’t fly.

    Remember. Remember. Pay attention to who is gaslighting. There will come a time when we get to ask ‘why was that?’

  9. 9.

    dmsilev

    I am unaware of any reports that Liz Cheney faked any injuries to get out of a military draft.

  11. 11.

    Scout211

    Under the headline Trump Addresses Gender Gap, CNN posts this live update with a direct quote:

     

    Former President Donald Trump said he was doing “great with men” at his North Carolina rally on Saturday, but acknowledged the widening gender gap that has caused alarm for some Republicans.

    “I will protect our women, I’m going to protect our women. I got in to so much trouble, you saw that,” Trump said. At a rally in Green Bay, Wisconsin, on Wednesday, he recounted advice from aides urging him to drop his repeated promise to be women’s “protector” because they saw it as inappropriate.

    “I said we will protect because I keep hearing — I think the women love me, I do, because they know, you know what, if they don’t have me, they’ve got millions of people pouring through and coming up to the suburbs. They say the suburban women. Well, the suburbs are under attack right now. When you’re home in your house alone and you have this monster that got out of prison … I think you’d rather have Trump.”

    Trump continued: “What I do is very controversial. I don’t care, I do the right thing. I want to protect women, but I want to protect our men, I want to protect our — I want to protect everybody.”

    He thinks women love him.  And if women who are in their suburban homes doing all those women things, they would rather have Trump. 🙄

    ETA:  Also too, our women?! In the possessive?

  12. 12.

    Baud

    @hrprogressive:

    It’s not different in substance. It’s the vibe that’s different. People who wouldn’t be outraged in 2016 and outraged now because of the zeitgeist

  13. 13.

    Chris Johnson

    @Scout211: “When you’re home in your house alone and you have this monster that got out of prison” – Trump

    That’s why we’re trying like hell to PUT YOU IN, asshole.

  14. 14.

    Scout211

    @Kelly: Too funny!

    And there it is, right on the map, that little red crayon scribble sneaking into my red county in California.  Crayons don’t lie.

  16. 16.

    lowtechcyclist

    Cheney should challenge him to pistols at 20 paces. She’d plug him before he got his gun out of his holster.

  17. 17.

    Baud

    @Scout211:

    1. He needs men to turn out and he’s trying to activate their lizard brain.
    2. If it works, men will own women, so it’s a high risk high reward strategy.
  20. 20.

    ColoradoGuy

    Covid reframed everything. Back in 2016, lots of casual people voted for Orange T just as a goof, thinking a reality-TV entertainer would be just as good as anyone. After Covid, the attempted coup of January 6th, the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and Hamas/Gaza, things have gotten much more serious than the silly days of 2016.

    There are still plenty of voters oblivious to reality, but not as many as eight years ago. Orange T is now a full-blown White Power cult, and even the MSM has trouble ignoring and both-sidesing what the GOP has become. When two of the wives of Supreme Court justices are active members of the T cult, it’s a little more difficult to hide.

  21. 21.

    waspuppet

    This is the first time I’ve heard of senile disinhibition, but it makes sense and doesn’t obviate my own theory, which is that as an abuser of substances and people, it’s not “fun” for him unless he’s being a shithead and winning anyway. Anything else is “boring” and “being fake.” It’s why he confesses to crimes on live TV—he has to know that you know that he knows he’s getting away with it.

  23. 23.

    mrmoshpotato

    @ColoradoGuy:

    Back in 2016, lots of casual people voted for Orange T just as a goof, thinking a reality-TV entertainer would be just as good as anyone. 

    Idiots.

  24. 24.

    zhena gogolia

    I just managed to watch that Trump microphone video. He is definitely miming fellatio. Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.

    What a piece of garbage. What a sad excuse for a human being. And they want him to be President of the United States again. We are done.

  25. 25.

    Captain C

    You’d think someone as physically cowardly as TFG would know better than to threaten a Cheney with guns

    Of Trump and Cheney, only one of them has actually shot someone in the face and gotten away with it

    (ETA:  Dick, of course, but then see the above comment about pistols at 20 paces.)

  26. 26.

    mappy!

    There’s something of a tell here. With the lawsuit judgements closing in (pick one, any one), Rump became more belligerent, more unhinged and nastier with his comments directed at the prosecutor, judge, jury, etc., etc. – when he knows he’s loosing, he doubles down. He’s tripling, quadrupling, now…

  27. 27.

    Starfish

    I know that this is rage bait and when they go low we go high and all that; but if I hit a girl, will you send bail money?

  28. 28.

    SW

    “Pickin gnat shit out of pepper” First time I heard that was Hale Boggs description of The Warren Report.

  29. 29.

    gene108

    I think the thought of having a woman as president, in 2016, turned a lot of men to Trump, who had no political record and voters could imagine he’d what they wanted.

    His COVID response, J6, his felony conviction, pending criminal trials, the $400 million fraud verdict against him in NYS, and the E. Jean Carroll verdicts have all added some baggage to Trump. Not enough baggage, in my opinion, but enough to may be not have a repeat of 2016.

  30. 30.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @NotMax:

    I still think it’s a pretty coincidence that the Brits had their general election on our Independence Day (when we decided to get rid of a king) and we’re having ours on Guy Fawkes Day (when they decided to get rid of a king).

    Symmetry. All is symmetry.

  32. 32.

    scav

    @Scout211: “Our women”?  Of course they only consider R women as women and thus worthy of protection.  Those women are harpies, witches, not truly womanly wimminz.  Heck, dating one of them makes you gay!

  34. 34.

    bbleh

    As observed elsewhere, and consistent with that Atlantic article, they have definitely gone more “let Trump be Trump” in the last few weeks.  Whether that’s because they think they’re slipping and have nothing to lose, or he does &/or doesn’t care, or just because he can’t be controlled, I have no idea, but it does seem like it’s been a bad approach.

  35. 35.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Scout211:

    Under the headline Trump Addresses Gender Gap

    Is that anything like Trump addressing the Al Smith Dinner or a January 6th Mob?

  37. 37.

    ColoradoGuy

    @mrmoshpotato: Orange T is a creation of the Reality-TV entertainment complex. He’s one of them, and they’ve given him cover for decades. We know from Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, and many other wealthy and well-connected rapists that the entertainment business goes to extraordinary lengths to protect one of their own.

    T’s had decades of media protection, and since TV News is part of the “entertainment” business, they, too, protect him by quietly erasing his appalling past and “sanewashing” what he actually says. It’s only the growing menace of the quasi-religious cult that’s gotten their attention.

  38. 38.

    bbleh

    @SiubhanDuinne: or the Access Hollywood tape?

    @ColoradoGuy: yes, exactly this.  I think that’s FAR more important than the hypothesized (& imo likely) sympathy for Republicans, plus the Establishment belief that he can be controlled &/or used to their benefit, among media owners/publishers and their social circles.

    @SiubhanDuinne: Oh nonono, you overlook the CRUCIAL fact that they BOTH have CHINESE THERMOSTATS in their offices, and some even in their homes!!!  Ohhh no, this goes DEEP, VERY deep people …

  43. 43.

    Jackie

    TCFG working harder today for the women’s vote:

    “Do you want to lose your life savings because we put a weak and foolish woman in the White House?” the former president asked.

    Donald Trump on Saturday leaned into his controversial comments about protecting women and escalated his attacks on Kamala Harris, threatening that if she were to become president, “she will get overwhelmed and melt down, and millions of people will die.”

    Rallying in Gastonia, North Carolina, Trump stuck to his assertion earlier this week that he would protect women whether they “like it or not,” which Harris’ campaign has sought to cast as sexist and offensive.
    “I believe that women have to be protected. Men have to be, children, everybody. Women have to be protected when they’re at home in suburbia,” Trump said. He added that aides had told him it was “a rough statement” — but, he said, when he asked another crowd if anyone was offended, only one woman raised her hand.
    “Somebody else just said it was a woman who transitioned, but I didn’t say it,” Trump said, garnering laughs from the audience.
    More vileness at the link:
    https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/11/02/2024-elections-live-coverage-updates-analysis/trump-on-protecting-women-00186924

  44. 44.

    JeffH

    Forsyth County?!? Holy shit. Something is very definitely happening here (and to be clear, something good) if they are getting thousands of people willing to say they are switching from Trump to Harris there. Forsyth was a notorious sundown county well into the late 20th century and while that has changed some, it’s still one of the big white flight areas in the Atlanta region.

  46. 46.

    John S.

    @zhena gogolia:

    It’s pretty amazing. Before 2016, blowing a microphone stand would have torpedoed a politician. Now, it’s just another day that ends in “y”.

  47. 47.

    bbleh

    I swear to dog, THIS is CNN’s current top-of-the-page headline:
    Women don’t appear to be responding to Trump’s attempts to reach them

  52. 52.

    bbleh

    @Baud: the possible responses, the mockery, the incredulity, the plays on words … the mind reels …

    I DO like how SUDDENLY the baseline misogyny of 2016 has been turned on its head.  The differences between that campaign and this one will fuel many a dissertation, I am thinking …

  53. 53.

    Baud

    @bbleh:

    IMHO, the first campaign shields this one. Misogynists can get their rocks off continuing to hate on Hillary for not beating Trump, which directs their insecurity away from Kamala.

  54. 54.

    Jess

    @Sister Golden Bear:

    it’s long been observed that it’s not enough for Trump to win but someone else has to lose. In fact he doesn’t really consider it winning unless someone loses.

    Power is always power over something or someone.

  55. 55.

    K-Mo

    @bbleh: I think when it’s over we will say, he lost the “moderate “ Republicans who reluctantly voted for him the last 2 times around because they could not sustain the suspension of disbelief that carried them in the past.  Part of it is just the amount of time we’ve been forced to observe him.  Part of it is, he’s lost any ability he ever had to cloak the madness.  And part of it might actually be people coming to their senses.

  56. 56.

    KatKapCC

    I don’t agree with Liz on probably 98% of things, but she has more worth in her little finger than Trump does in his whole disgusting body. I hate him so much. I want him to go away. I need him to go away.

  57. 57.

    oldgold

    At tonight’s rally Trump threatened women again.

    Trump on RFK Jr’s duties in his administration: “He wants women’s health.”

  58. 58.

    bbleh

    @Baud: There’s definitely that.  And that Clinton had a long (and often unfriendly) history with the Village and the political media that Harris didn’t have.  And there’s differences in their personalities and presentations.  And and and.

    But one thing that strikes me — and this is why I say “suddenly” — is that there was an overarching assumption in 2016 by pretty much EVERYONE — media, Village, electorate — that a WOMAN needed to PROVE to everyone that she was worthy even of being CONSIDERED for the Highest Office In The Land, that never went away.  And imo there was still that in the early days of the Harris campaign.  But now, it seems suddenly, it’s that a male candidate must prove HIMself worthy of women’s votes.

    That to me seems like a qualitative shift.

  59. 59.

    KatKapCC

    Also, the people insisting this was totally not a threat against her life are the same people who said Elon’s tweet about “putting a baby” in Taylor was not a rape threat.

    Women know threats when we hear them. Just because men are fortunate enough not to have had to learn this doesn’t mean it’s bullshit.

  60. 60.

    burritoboy

    It’s ultimately not surprising, because fascism’s eventual end point is always inevitably self-destructive. Of course, on the path towards its end point, fascists destroy huge numbers of other people (which is why we oppose it).  But it always ends in their own destruction in one way or another. Human beings cannot become what fascists want to become and still remain human beings.

  61. 61.

    SW

    I will be really disappointed in my fellow citizens if this vile piece of shit gets more than 35% of the vote.

  63. 63.

    Jess

    @K-Mo: I think a big part is that he’s become pathetic rather than (seemingly) powerful. There’s something in a lot of people’s minds that is blinded into submission by power, and Trump was very good at manipulating that. I guess that reflex is a part of the authoritarian personality. And now that he’s starting to look weak, suddenly these people can see again.

  65. 65.

    TS

    @Jackie:

     if she were to become president, “she will get overwhelmed and melt down, and millions of people will die.”

    trump is supposed to have 3 rallies today. he was 1 1/2 hours late to the first one – don’t think too many will still be around waiting for the last one.

    We know who gets overwhelmed & melts down and it sure isn’t MVP

  66. 66.

    Jess

    @bbleh: It helps that Harris has a goddess quality that Clinton lacked. It seems men have a hard time respecting a woman unless they can worship her.

  67. 67.

    zhena gogolia

    @TS: Even in that microphone clip, at the beginning of it, he’s kind of asking to be allowed to go home. He’s really tired of doing this. It was just like the 39-minute music episode — he used an excuse to stop working.

  68. 68.

    MisterForkbeard

    @bbleh: Maybe they can change it to the more truthful “Sexual assaulted Trump’s insistence that women love him appears to be a lie.”

  69. 69.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Baud:

    ZACKLY, Baud. The pollsters and pundits have conveniently forgotten, or are deliberately ignoring, Dobbs.

    The. Women. Have. Not. Forgotten!!

  70. 70.

    MisterForkbeard

    @SW: I mean, he might win. I doubt it, but he might.

    It’s an indictment of out country and also of our media.

  71. 71.

    Ramona

    @KatKapCC: So do we all! As one LGM commenter said around this time after Orange Putrescence recovered from CoViD19, “SARSCOV2, you had ONE thing to do…”

  75. 75.

    Steve LaBonne

    @bbleh: Personally I think men need to be excluded from public life for a couple of generations. I imagine that isn’t a popular position.

  81. 81.

    bbleh

    @Baud: and Dobbs has been fundamental to Dem victories in many elections general and special in the last 2 years.  But I can still see how it could have been pigeonholed as a “women’s issue,” “special interest,” and yeah perhaps important to SOME voters but irrelevant to a WOMAN actually running to be PRESIDENT!  Something something Putin Xi something Situation Room something!

    IOW, all of a sudden the “seriousness” thing that tagged both Clinton and Harris seems to have evaporated.  (Not in many people’s minds, of course, but in the media.)

  82. 82.

    KatKapCC

    @TS: Silly little girls are just too emotional to handle anything tough!!!

    I would love for him to have endure one single full menstrual cycle, then talk to me about women not being tough. Having to go about your normal day while a small feral creature is trying to claw its way out of your uterus, your back feels like an entire step-dancing troupe did a jig on it, you’re fatigued like you haven’t slept in a solid week, you’ve got more gas than a chili cook-off, and you’re bleeding through a super-absorbency tampon in 90 minutes, all while keeping a smile on your face and pretending like you don’t want to throw yourself into a riptide in the ocean…fucking try it one time, Trump.

  83. 83.

    mrmoshpotato

    @zhena gogolia:

    Even in that microphone clip, at the beginning of it, he’s kind of asking to be allowed to go home. He’s really tired of doing this. It was just like the 39-minute music episode — he used an excuse to stop working. 

    He’s free to drop out of the race and fuck off back to Satan.

  85. 85.

    hrprogressive

    @Betsy: ​
     

    Okay, I think I might lose my shit if IOWA flips.

    I don’t think Iowa has gone blue in the last 25 years but I’d have to double check.

  87. 87.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Sister Golden Bear:

    Thank you. If someone becomes well known for accomplishments in a particular field pre-transition, and subsequently transitions and continues to have accomplishments in the same field, does one refer to pre-trans accomplishments with the pre-trans pronouns (and name), or does everything default to the post-trans signifiers?

    I am thinking specifically of the musician Wendy Carlos. She first became famous as Walter Carlos, then underwent gender reassignment surgery, changed name from Walter to Wendy, and pronouns to conform. Could just as easily be Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner, or

  89. 89.

    RaflW

    Just saw the Des Moines Register poll result over on Bsky.

    Holy heck! It turns out Iowa is a state that contains women. Republicans I think forgot that.

  90. 90.

    TS

    @Betsy:

    Just Wow – from your link

    “It’s hard for anybody to say they saw this coming,” said pollster J. Ann Selzer, president of Selzer & Co. “She has clearly leaped into a leading position.”

    BJ peoples saw it coming – so did everyone except the US Political media.

  91. 91.

    Jess

    @Betsy: Whoa!!! I just watched a YouTube video with a guy arguing that Iowa could flip blue, and I just wished I was smoking what he was obviously smoking. This is amazing!

  96. 96.

    Princess

    @Betsy: Wow. My optimism has been very limited and  cagey but this Iowa poll is a BFD. Selzer only polls Iowa. That means she doesn’t have the same temptation to lean on modeling to stick to the consensus of the herd. If this poll is accurate, every other poll we’ve had has been junk — not polls but modeling experiments.

  97. 97.

    oldgold

    BREAKING: The highly respected Iowa Poll sponsored by the Des Moines  Register is reporting Harris over Trump!

    A new Des Moines Register/Mediacom Iowa Poll shows Vice President Harris leading former President Trump 47% to 44% among likely voters.

  98. 98.

    👻David 🎃Booooooo🎃 Koch💀

    Ann Selzer for the Des Moines Register is a great pollster.
    In 2020 she had Dump winning by 7 and he won by 8.​  At the time some polling oufits like PPP and DailyKos had Biden up by 1 in Iowa.​

  101. 101.

    Steve LaBonne

    @Greg: Even Ohio seems a lot closer than it “should” be. At this point I would not be completely shocked if Harris recreated Obama’s 2012 map.

  106. 106.

    Baud

    @Steve LaBonne:

    Well, she has a better shot of winning Texas than Obama ever did, although still a stretch.

    The Iowa poll will boost a lot of morale for election day turnout.

  107. 107.

    Weftage

    “she will get overwhelmed and melt down, ….

    (Any response, to any situation, that she makes or doesn’t make will be described in those terms, no matter what. Prepare a rejoinder now & tuck it away for future use.)

    …. and millions of people will die.”

    (Did you know that, over the next 100 years, 8 BILLION PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DIE? And it will be all Kamala’s fault.)

  109. 109.

    mrmoshpotato

    @Steve LaBonne: Haha!  No.  Old Scratch has already turned in his claim tickets for Rumsfeld, Reagan, Powell, Nixon, Limbaugh, and OJ.

    He’s still holding the ones for W, Cheney, Condi Rice, and Dump.

  110. 110.

    hrprogressive

    Okay apparently my memory is shit I did not remember that Obama had actually won Iowa twice.

    I’m sorry 2008 & 2012 feel like eternities ago.

    But still.

    Given what’s happened since 2016, Harris flipping Iowa would be pretty fucking big, no?

  111. 111.

    Sister Golden Bear

    @Betsy: With the caveat of who the fuck knows what’s going on with the polls, I did see an interesting point raised about the potential “herding” (towards 50/50) in the national polls.

    Many of these same pollsters are showing much higher leads for Dems in Senate, Congressional and gubernatorial races — where there’s fewer competing pollsters and less potential professional penalty for being outside the consensus norms. The poster wasn’t predicting that we’d as big as lead for Harris, e.g. in AZ Gallegos leads by 8.6 percent, but suggested Harris’ actual support actually leans more in that sort of direction. Makes intuitive sense to me — I can’t see tons of Dems voting for Gallegos and then voting for Trump. But we’ll see.

  113. 113.

    Jess

    @Baud: The guy in the video (tried to find it again, but no luck) points out that tariffs really screw over farmers, and that farmers actually pay attention to things like this.

  114. 114.

    RaflW

    Also, re: the Iowa poll. My hairbrained Kansas suggestion the other evening right here on this almost top10,000 blog (it could, possibly, go very narrowly Harris) is not a complete WAG.

  117. 117.

    Suzanne

    @Sister Golden Bear:

    I can’t see tons of Dems voting for Gallegos and then voting for Trump. But we’ll see. 

    The specific weirdness of Arizona is that both GOP and Independent registrations outnumber Dems. So the fear is really that Independents would ticket-split.

  120. 120.

    KatKapCC

    @RaflW: Okay, I had to google to figure out you meant “wild-ass guess” because I always think of that acronym in the soccer sense of “wives and girlfriends” and I was puzzled ;D

  123. 123.

    RaflW

    @Princess: It’s somewhat of a truism that late breaking voters tend to want to back the winner. This Iowa poll news is some damn momentum. Yay!

  124. 124.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Sister Golden Bear:

    Thank you. If someone becomes well known for accomplishments in a particular field pre-transition, and subsequently transitions and continues to have accomplishments in the same field, does one refer to pre-trans accomplishments with the pre-trans pronouns (and name), or does everything default to the post-trans signifiers?

    I am thinking specifically of the musician Wendy Carlos. She first became famous as Walter Carlos, then underwent gender reassignment surgery, changed name from Walter to Wendy, and pronouns to conform. (Could just as easily be Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner, or the tennis player Renee Richards.)

    When I’m teaching about her performances as WALTER (pre-transition), should I use he/him/his? I want to be both accurate and respectful. Or do I always use WENDY/she/her/hers? I want to be both accurate and respectful — and, not so incidentally, I want to model the preferred usage for my students, through my example.

    Thank you again for taking time to respond. It may be a niche question for some, but it’s important for me to get it right, e.g. not inadvertently thoughtless.

  125. 125.

    Melancholy Jaques

    @Steve LaBonne:

    I’m still angry at the virus for that abject failure.

    I’m thinking the virus thought about President Pence and said, forget it, I give up.

  127. 127.

    Betsy

    @Baud: Well, its entire meat packing industry does rely on a revolving door of disposable brown-skinned humans.  Frozen shoulder / torn rotator cuff after two years of hacking up cows? Off you go, we have another bus load of desperate trafficked people to tear up.

  133. 133.

    TS

    Who is Emerson Polling? They just released an Iowa poll trump 53, Harris 43 – that’s how the media keeps giving states to trump, maybe ignoring polls is the best option?

  134. 134.

    Nelle

    Jumping in here to say that final Ann Selzer poll has Harris leading Trump by 3 points.  In Iowa.

  136. 136.

    Starfish

    @SiubhanDuinne: I defer to whatever Sister Golden Bear says, but I think we stick to the post-transition names and pronouns. For example, we consistently refer to Lynn Conway as Lynn Conway even though some notable achievements were definitely pre-transition.

  142. 142.

    Bill Arnold

    @Steve LaBonne:

    I’m still angry at the virus for that abject failure.

    That was (probably) Regeneron’s monoclonal antibody therapy, with an exception for allowing Trump to be treated before clinical trials completed (IIRC, CBA to search). The CEO was a member of Bedminster golf club, and on speaking terms with POTUS Trump. Allegedly.
    In those early days pre-Delta strain (in the USA), that was a helpful treatment. Trump’s oxygen saturation levels dropped to the 80s, IIRC; he was not in good shape. (Might have suffered some brain damage anyway.)

  143. 143.

    piratedan

    I see the tidal flats stretched out for miles from the beach…. that speaks to one thing… a blue tsunami is coming.  Sure feels like one.  Anecdata popping up from places you would not anticipate.  Don’t expect anything from the media confirming this, they stay in their enclaves and this is a social media peep to peep thing.

    There are a couple of casual observations if this does indeed manifest itself.  I would really like to see Ms. Harris and Mr. Schumer and Mr. Jeffries sit down and start planning out what needs to be done and start to get legislation to fix things…

    1.  Unfuck Citizens United
    2. Expand the supreme court to match the number of circuits
    3. get her policies in place for helping new home buyers and families and taxing Billionaires
    4. modify foreign policy to get Ukraine what it needs NOW and change direction on Israel/Palestine in stopping the export of weapons.
    5. next steps on climate change in making businesses accountable
    6. better enforcement of laws for government contractors
    7. modernize the government and trash the EC

    and I’m sure  that there’s MORE

  144. 144.

    Sister Golden Bear

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    If someone becomes well known for accomplishments in a particular field pre-transition, and subsequently transitions and continues to have accomplishments in the same field, does one refer to pre-trans accomplishments with the pre-trans pronouns (and name), or does everything default to the post-trans signifiers?

    Best practice, if you can, is ask the trans person how they want to handle it.

    But in general, it’s better to use someone’s current name/pronouns in talking about their pre-trans life. But… it can get complicated. Especially when it’s someone famous, especially when they’re famous for something in their pre-transition life.

    Caitlyn Jenner <spits>* is the Platonic ideal of this challenge, given her fame came as the paragon of masculinity as Bruce Jenner, Olympic athlete. It’s been almost a decade since she came out, and she’s well known enough as Caitlyn, that it’s usually sufficient to refer to her that way. But at the time of her transition it was common to use “Caitlyn, formerly as Bruce, Jenner” or “Caitlyn, née, Bruce” if people were feeling fancy. But I’d only go there if it’s relevant, e.g. in a biographic profile, or references to the events she competed in. I.e. Wikipedia uses this prior to discussing her sports career: “Jenner’s Olympic events were men’s events that occurred prior to Jenner’s gender transition.”

    I have seen some writers use prior names/pronouns when specifically talking about someone’s pre-transition life if using their current pronouns would be confusing. Typically, it’s in the context of discussing the subject’s life as a pre-transition (or closeted) trans person.

    *Jenner is generally despised by the trans community for aligning herself with right-wing transphobes and push their agender.

  146. 146.

    pajaro

    @Betsy:

    What is going on in the cornbelt?  Harris ahead in Iowa?  Down just five points, I believe in Kansas, and Nebraska, with an independent Senate candidate who is tied with the Republican?

  149. 149.

    mrmoshpotato

    @Bill Arnold:

    In those early days pre-Delta strain (in the USA), that was a helpful treatment. Trump’s oxygen saturation levels dropped to the 80s, IIRC; he was not in good shape. (Might have suffered some brain damage anyway.)
     

    Not sure we’d be able to tell with Dump.

  151. 151.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Starfish:

    Thanks. That helps a lot. If SGB concurs, my path is pretty straightforward. Will wait for her to weigh in, but in the meantime I really appreciate your thoughts.

  154. 154.

    Bill Arnold

    @Weftage:

    …. and millions of people will die.”

    Pretty sure he’s talking about thermonuclear war.
    The rejoinder is that he should not be anywhere near the ability to launch nuclear weapons, because he is increasingly weak of mind, easily manipulated, erratic, and frankly, a sociopath.
    As said (roughly) by some military who worked for him.

  156. 156.

    Sure Lurkalot

    @bbleh:

    Women don’t appear to be responding to Trump’s attempts to reach them

    Well…duh! We’re all done died and dead, murdered in the suburbs.

  161. 161.

    Sister Golden Bear

    @SiubhanDuinne: Also too, the irony with Wendy Carlos was that she was well into her transition (she was living as a woman) when Switched-On Bach became a hit, but she wasn’t out to her record company—fearing both personal and professional repercussions. Consequently she was forced to disguise herself as Walter, affecting a deeper voice, using makeup to simulate a five o’clock shadow, and doing a wig and pasted-on fake sideburns for public appearances including a performance with the St. Louis Symphony Orchestra. It was so painful she considered suicide before the event, and cried all the way to St. Louis.

    Carlos publicly came out in 1979.

  165. 165.

    Sister Golden Bear

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    When I’m teaching about her performances as WALTER (pre-transition), should I use he/him/his? I want to be both accurate and respectful. Or do I always use WENDY/she/her/hers? I want to be both accurate and respectful — and, not so incidentally, I want to model the preferred usage for my students, through my example.

    I would use Wendy and her post-transition pronouns. To the extent it matters that she was trans, I’d just note in passing that she was, and that (as discussed in my other post) she became famous before she was publicly out. Consequently, your students will see contemporary references (and concert footage) referring to her as man, as well as Carlos’ attempting to present herself as a man until she came out as a trans woman

    FWIW, I like to say that I hope people find that my being trans is the third or fourth most interesting thing about me, and I suspect Carlos would take a similar view.

  166. 166.

    Ruckus

    @dmsilev:

    He didn’t use fake injuries he used in his case a fake abnormality, flat feet if I remember. Brings to mind when I joined the USN during Vietnam and on your first day you showed up to the same place I did my draft physical, the LA armed forces enlistment station – or AFES. Across the hallway was a line of guys in their underwear, holding their clothes waiting to go in to get weighed and measured, blood draw and urine sample. Guy across from me was wearing women’s panties. White with some sort of red design, butterflies or some such. Of course I noticed that there were no labels on the blood and urine sample bottles because they were never going to be checked in any way whatsoever. They threw out the samples and cleaned the bottles to be used over and over. The guy with the underwear had to sit at a desk and answer questions to I’d imagine determine if he was gay. They wanted bodies and didn’t care about anything other than a warm body. And the only reason they knew it was warm was you moved when they told you. Good times!

  168. 168.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Sister Golden Bear:

    Ha! I almost didn’t mention Jenner. Figured she is not greatly admired within the larger trans community. (Besides … Kardashian Cooties, am I right?)

    Thanks for your thoughtful response. I don’t know Wendy Carlos personally, but I don’t suppose it would hurt to find a way to contact her and just ask her preference. If that doesn’t work, I’ll simply use her post-trans usages as my default.

    I’ll bet any amount of money Wendy Carlos voted or is voting for Kamala. Not because she’s trans but because she’s cool. I love what she said about her own coming out:

    In 1985, Carlos spoke about the reaction to her transition: “The public turned out to be amazingly tolerant or, if you wish, indifferent … There had never been any need of this charade to have taken place. It had proven a monstrous waste of years of my life.”

  169. 169.

    Scout211

    ProPublica reports that Trump Media continues to be a mess.

    Former President Donald Trump’s social media company outsourced jobs to workers in Mexico even as Trump publicly railed against outsourcing on the campaign trail and threatened heavy tariffs on companies that send jobs south of the border.

    The firm’s use of workers in Mexico was confirmed by a spokesperson for Trump Media, which operates the Truth Social platform. The workers were hired through another entity to code and perform other technical duties, according to a person with knowledge of Trump Media. The reliance on foreign labor was met with outrage among the company’s own staff, who accused its leadership of betraying their “America First” ideals, the person said.

    The outsourcing to Mexico helped prompt a recent whistleblower letter from staff to Trump Media’s board that has been roiling the company.

    That complaint, reported by ProPublica last month, calls for the board to fire CEO Devin Nunes, a former Republican congressman. The letter alleges he has “severely” mismanaged the company. It also asserts the company is hiring “America Last” — with Nunes imposing a directive to hire only foreign contractors at the expense of “American workers who are deeply committed to our mission.”

    “This approach not only contradicts the America First principles we stand for but also raises concerns about the quality, dedication, and alignment of our workforce with our core values,” the complaint reads.

    Question.  Does Trump work in any of his companies any more?

  177. 177.

    Sister Golden Bear

    @Suzanne: Makes sense.

    That said, the person making this argument cited several other battleground states with similar disparities between the Harris’ support per the pollsters and the higher support for other Dems candidates in those same states. Obviously there could be state-specific reasons for each of those disparities as well. Unfortunately, I didn’t bookmark the post, so I can’t go back to look at the specifics being discussed.

  183. 183.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Sister Golden Bear:

    Jenner is generally despised by the trans community for aligning herself with right-wing transphobes and push their agender.

    Possibly/probably a typo, but it’s just fuckin perfect. Keep c

  184. 184.

    TS

    Even the Post has doubts about trump getting through his schedule today

    Trump held a rally in Gastonia, North Carolina, and was next scheduled to appear in Salem, Virginia, outside Roanoke, and Greensboro, North Carolina.

    My bold

  186. 186.

    Barbara

    Re: Georgia women repudiating Trump after violent rhetoric — I can and yet can’t believe Zack Beauchamp’s minimizing this rhetoric. I just don’t know how much more proof I can take that so many men, even men who don’t actively hate women, don’t think we matter. You’re willing to take a generic statement about garbage humans wildly out of context to castigate Biden and you use a comparable level of gyrations to downplay violent rhetoric directed at an individual woman. GFY.​​

  187. 187.

    Geminid

    @piratedan: I’m curious: freshman Republican Rep. Juan Ciscomani has a tough reelection race in his Tucson-area district, against a good Democratic challenger. Do you think Ciscomani will be looking for a new job November 6?

  191. 191.

    David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch

    Vice President Kamala Harris will make a surprise appearance during this week’s episode of “Saturday Night Live,” an insider exclusively told The Post.

    Harris will appear during the show’s traditional, politics-skewing cold open, the tipster said.

    “It’s all been hush-hush,” the source told The Post Saturday afternoon during the final weekend before Tuesday’s presidential election, adding that the “Secret Service is here.”

  195. 195.

    Sure Lurkalot

    @piratedan: I like your list.

    I thinking trashing the EC is a non-starter but increasing the number of representatives to correspond to our population gains since 1929 would help to have the vote represent people instead of land.

    My list would include (somehow) enshrining voting rights into federal law. The last ruling by the horrible 6 in that voting rights case in Virginia, in contravention of the National Voter Registration Act was all kinds of bullshit.

  196. 196.

    mrmoshpotato

    @Steve LaBonne:

    Did he ever? 

    I’m pretty sure the orange conman just yelled at people that he was the smartliest and tremendous bigliest at everything until they offered him money to leave them alone.

  197. 197.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch:

    Vice President Kamala Harris will make a surprise appearance during this week’s episode of “Saturday Night Live,” an insider exclusively told The Post.

    How the hell can it be a “surprise appearance” if here-you-are-telling-us-about-it???

  198. 198.

    Sister Golden Bear

    @Steve LaBonne: Sadly Carlos’ experiences — albeit definitely higher profile — aren’t uncommon for us later-in-life transitioners. Myself, I lived as a woman exclusively outside of work for a year-and-a-half before I came out at work and transitioned (and I’d lived as a woman part of the time for years before).

    About six months of that was me trying to figure out whether working as a man/living outside of work as a woman would be enough. (Reader, it wasn’t.) Because transitioning was the most exhilarating and terrifying thing I’ve done in my life. I was incredibly lucky — my transition went about as smoothly as possible — but beforehand I had to accept the possibility that I might lose my family, friends, job, career, and much more. And that was in 2016.

  199. 199.

    What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?

    @Steve LaBonne: I’ve been saying for 9 years now that we went like 120 years as a country before women had the right to vote and we should go the next 120 with men being banned from voting to even things out. I say this as a white straight man. I’m OK losing my right to vote if it means the morons voting for Trump can’t go anywhere near a voting booth for a looooong time.

  204. 204.

    Hamlet of Melnibone

    It’s so funny to be from Minnesota and only realizing that Tim Walz is awesome now because he’s running for VP.  He’s been governor here, but I rarely pay attention to our politicians here because I just vote for the Democrats and they just run the government competently.  I’m not all that engaged beyond that because I don’t need to be.  I scan the political headlines here, think “seems reasonable”, and go on with my life.

    He’s like everything good about men in Minnesota rolled into one guy with none of the bad stuff.  He’s the man I’d like to be.  I don’t think I’ve ever thought that about a politician, even ones that I’ve admired.

  205. 205.

    Sister Golden Bear

    @SiubhanDuinne: Typo. I meant to say agenda. (Insomnia is catching up with me.) Though “agender” would definitely freak out the homophobes.

    FWIW, one reason the trans community really hates Jenner is that she had a number of trans women trying tutor her (as seen on the reality show about her post-transition life). I personally was acquainted with one of the people and she described it as one of the most frustrating experiences in her life — Jenner was so marinaded in her privilege that nothing stuck.

  207. 207.

    Geminid

    @TS: Trump was scheduled to speak at the Salem, Virginia Civic Center at 4 pm. He hit the stage after 5:30. I expect he’ll make it back to North Carolina for the third rally, but there will be some tired people there including Trump.

  209. 209.

    Chet Murthy

    @skerry: A commenter here convinced me that the priority order has to be:

    1. unfuck SCOTUS
    2. fix Dobbs
    3. Voting right
    4. everything else

    B/c if we don’t fix SCOTUS, nothing else will stick.  But after that, Dobbs must go next, b/c FFS.  FFS. FFS.

  210. 210.

    Baud

    @Chet Murthy:

    We’ll be lucky to have the Senate, much less 50 Senators who are willing to make revolutionary changes to SCOTUS. Maybe after 2026 if all goes well.

  211. 211.

    Jeffro

    PEOPLE I JUST DOUBLE-CHECKED MY SPAM/JUNK FOLDER AND I HAVE INDEED BEEN ASSIGNED A MORNING POLL OBSERVER SHIFT FOR TUESDAY!

    I’m soooo psyched!

    (If any of you Jackals signed up for similar, go check your spam folders as well)

    What do you think, dress in all blue?  Hmm…

  213. 213.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Sister Golden Bear:

    I was incredibly lucky — my transition went about as smoothly as possible

    I remember so well your journals of your reassignment surgery and all the follow-up. A huge, welcome, and necessary infusion of reality for me. I’ve always been grateful to you for being so open and generous with your experience.

  214. 214.

    Chet Murthy

    @Baud: I’m afraid that  you’re right.  I sure hope the American electorate understands these intricacies.  Guess it depends if they were paying attention in their American History and Government classes.  [narrator: that is the moment when he realized WASF]

  216. 216.

    Sister Golden Bear

    @Baud: Thanks. It’s been worth the journey.

    Life has definitely been really hard the past decade for a bunch of other reasons — health problems, unemployment, the likely end of my career, etc. — but it’s been hella easier without also having to deal with the gender dysphoria on top of it.

    Gender is like underwear, if it fits, you don’t notice it. If it doesn’t fit, it’s impossible not to constantly be reminded how uncomfortable it is (comparisons to ill-fitting bras with poking underwires are especially apt). Or in your case, having to wear pants. /s

  218. 218.

    japa21

    I am kind of going to be the anti-Omnes tonight. One of his biggest crusades has been to have been stop with all the doom and gloom talk. My position is not to get too carried away with stuff like the Iowa poll. I know it is highly reputable. Also, there are a couple of IA House races the Dems could flip.

    The same thing applies to the high women vote. Like it or not, there are a lot of women that have a thing for Trump.

    Just some anecdotal observations on my part.
    I have mentioned that I am an EV election judge in Suburban Cook County, western suburbs. This area was highly red 2 decades ago, but is at worst purple with very string blue patches. Because of what I do there I am occasionally able to see who people are voting for.

    My breakdown of the women voters (and remember this is not based on observation of knowledge of all ballots) is as follows:

    Age: Under 25, definitely strong pro Harris.
    25-35 pretty much 50-50
    36-65 Leans to Trump
    Over 65, leans toward Harris.
    The latter figure I believe is due to the fact that many of these people remember what it was like before Roe.

    I realize this is a small sample, but the point is more, who are the women voting? I will also note a strong Asian, including Indian, bias towards Trump.

    I am not trying to bring anyone down. Just a week ago, I mentioned I thought Harris would outperform the polls by 2-3 %. I still believe that, but I am trying to keep myself on an even keel.

  224. 224.

    scav

    @mrmoshpotato: Critical part of the surprise keeping was probably so that team R is caught on the back foot.  Threading the surprise needle so that a good number of people are there watching and feeling in on it might be handy too.

  225. 225.

    hueyplong

    @Chet Murthy: I’d do Dobbs first. Do it to make the point, and as a matter of respect.

    If SCOTUS were to fuck with that, it would grease the skids for court reform.

  226. 226.

    Anonymous At Work

    IOWA represents women and late-deciders being a net 5-7% swing from 2 weeks ago.  That puts Harris in excellent position to win November 5th rather than whenever the Supreme Court decides to spare itself mockery.
    If that holds down-ballot, fingers crossed, that puts almost 10 Senate seats in better Democrat position and would represent a Democratic trifecta.

    The two worries are: Outlier poll and down-ballot is a reverse “permission structure” of “I vote against TFG so I can vote for his awful toadies with a clear conscious.”

  227. 227.

    Chet Murthy

    @japa21: Ehhhh, what’s the harm in boundless optimism at this point?  As long as we keep doing whatever we’ve been doing, the result is set-in-stone.  Whether it’s good or bad, we’ll find out on Wednesday (or maybe a little later, FSM forbid).  I’m fully prepared for it to be bad, but I figure: nothing I do now, including staying pessimistic, can change the impact of that horror if it arrives.

    We might as well enjoy a few good days now.

  228. 228.

    Ken

    @Ksmiami: they are not counting women?

    IIRC there was one recent poll that was assuming women were only 50% of the vote, which is historically unlikely (to put it kindly).

    There was also a Pennsylvania poll that decided a lot of Philadelphia voters who’d said they were likely to vote, should actually be considered unlikely voters because of the poll’s demographic model.

    In other words, a lot of thumbs on a lot of scales out there.

  230. 230.

    Geminid

    @Sure Lurkalot: Good luck persuading 218 U.S. Representatives to make their jobs half as important!

    You’ll need a very compelling reason to push this reform through, and probably a well-organized national movement as well.

    But we’ll get to talk about this stuff more after Vice President Harris wins. There will be wish lists in abundance. Mine includes comprehensive immigration reform.

  232. 232.

    Chet Murthy

    @hueyplong: it’s where I started off.  But this person convinced me that court reform has to come first.  Their argument was that sooner or later the pushback will come.  If we don’t fix the court then everything else Will get overturned. If we do fix the court then that gives us time to fix the rest.

    But that said, you’re right: if we win this election it will be because of women and because of reproductive Rights.  Dobbs has to get overturned.  Roe or something better must be reinstated.

  233. 233.

    piratedan

    @Geminid: It’s going to be close (at least I think so).  Ciscomani is well funded thru his fundie allies.  He’s busy in chameleon mode right now, claiming to be the most bipartisan member of Congress and also toeing the MAGA immigration tropes.  The Citizen United dark money is painting Engel as an out of touch liberal, with elevated gas taxes (that naturally are meant to encourage electric car usage) and a history of “defund the police” statements from 10 years ago (as if police brutality has suddenly decreased) being seen as too radical when plucked from the context in which the statement was offered.

    Engel has received a fair bit of crossover backing from GOP law enforcement within the border patrol and local border sheriffs for her immigration positions (mimicking Harris and Gallego).  She’s also tried to hit Ciscomani for the GOP position on abortion, but there’s a very stoic resolve in the state about Abortion being made available and repealing what is on the books and the lines are starkly drawn.

    If the Abortion (prop 139) proposition passes, I expect that to carry most of the Dems across the finish line, but unsure just how much ticket splitting will be going on for the three races involving Dems (Shah, Engel and Nez), as most of the focus appears to be given to the top of the ticket.

  237. 237.

    Ken

    @Jackie: Someone said above that Trump was 90 minutes late to his first rally. If his schedule keeps slipping, he may show up to the third to find almost everyone’s left. If so, I hope there’s someone who whispers in his ear, “They wanted to get home to see SNL.”

  238. 238.

    piratedan

    @skerry: noted, I was making an assumption that an expansion of SCOTUS would allow that to be revisited.

    I have ZERO issues in restoring control of body autonomy to the actual owners of said body.  I’d love to see them move from enshrining that to allowing people to change their genders as they see fit.  It’s none of my business if people feel like they don’t have the preferred equipment, let them be who they feel themselves to be.

  240. 240.

    Ruckus

    @Chet Murthy:

    Don’t those go on the boots for controlling a horse?

     

    OK yes I do understand heel spurs as a human issue, and not as a horse ridding accessory. But it is shitforbrains, so……

  241. 241.

    Chet Murthy

    @Ruckus: Have you ever seen Glengarry Glenn Ross?  At his very best, He was probably like Al Pacino in the restaurant next door.  At his very best.  The rest of the time?  Just slouching enjoying his life.  Is that work?  Well it depends on whether you think salesman work.  If salesman work and he is a lousy lousy salesman then I guess he’s doing work.

  245. 245.

    Sister Golden Bear

    @Ruckus: The Trump Org was in effect a smallish family business, and Trump was the equivalent of those cleatus safari small business owners spending their mornings at the local diner shooting the shit, before dropping by their company to scream at someone.

    So no.

  248. 248.

    Another Scott

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Lynn Conway was a member of that group. In that article, her pronoun is pretty much always “she”.

    E.g.

    Conway was born in Mount Vernon, New York, on January 2, 1938.[2][3][4] Raised as a boy, Conway was brought up in White Plains, New York, as a shy child who experienced gender dysphoria. She became fascinated by astronomy (building a 6-inch (150 mm) reflector telescope one summer) and did well in math and science in high school.

    That strikes me as the sensible and caring way to handle the pronouns. Interested to hear what SGB says!

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  249. 249.

    catclub

    @gene108: Not enough baggage, in my opinion, but enough to may be not have a repeat of 2016.

     

    I think that 2024 is a zero complacency election for the Democrats, in contrast to 2016.  Lesson learned.

  250. 250.

    Geminid

    @piratedan: My understanding is that there are a lot of Independents in Arizona. Indies can be funny critters, and some will split tickets just on principle. Weird.

    Hopefully Ms. Engle can still send Ciscomani into retirement. Ruben Gallego seems like a dynamic Senate candidate, and he could have coattails up and down the ticket.

  252. 252.

    Ruckus

    @Sister Golden Bear:

    Agreed.

    I was snarking. Not very well actually but still – snarking.

    shitforbrains has siblings that did normal things in life and weren’t what I call him. But he assumed that he was the greatest human ever, because his very limited brain could believe anything – other than reality.

  255. 255.

    piratedan

    @Geminid: very true, the district is a mishmash, it contains some deep red rural areas (Cochise County) but also has a decent chunk of affluent light blue Pima County.  Some of the towns are crimson, others less so (Bisbee and Sierra Vista).  It’s a heavier lift because Cochise County sees themselves as Ground Zero for the Immigration issue and as such, those that feel like immigration is a national threat to their mayonnaise way of life are extremely loud.  The attitude is that some would just as soon appoint themselves as hoc deputies with the right to be judge, jury and executioner.

    Not everyone feels that way, but those that are driven by fear and prejudice always appear to be given the podium by those in the media.

  256. 256.

    Ruckus

    @Sister Golden Bear:

    It was a rhetorical question.

    I used to read, long, long, long ago Forbes mag and WSJ and they would on occasion have stories about the family, when he was a dumbass youngster. He got over being young but he’s always been a dumbass. His siblings were not and really didn’t swallow the money is the most important thing crap. One of the reasons I call him shitforbrains is because of the stories in Forbes and WSJ from long, long, long ago. He was shitforbrains then and the only things that changed are his age, weight, recent history, he’s always held on to his pompous arrogance.

  257. 257.

    K-Mo

    @Starfish: There is a prominent economist who transitioned from man to woman in her 50s: Deirdre McCloskey.

    https://www.deirdremccloskey.com/

    If you look at her cv online you’ll see she elides the naming issue.  I take it that is how she would prefer to address it.  But if you’re required to use certain bibliographic  styles and you have to cite her pre-transition work, you kind of get forced into using a dead name.

  261. 261.

    Msb

    @Sister Golden Bear:

    I’m glad it went well for you, and that you post often here, as your comments are so insightful. Many thanks for helping me; I’m trying to avoid mistakes in my relationship with a young trans relative.

  263. 263.

    evodevo

    @Jess: Yep..it almost ruined many farmers when China boycotted their grain sales.  You, the taxpayer, had to bail them out to the tune of $60 billion or so, all because of Trumpy’s trade war…

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