Our closing ad
“We believe in each other. We’re not falling for these folks who are trying to divide us.”
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— Kamala HQ (@KamalaHQ) November 2, 2024
We can turn the page on a decade of Donald Trump trying to keep us divided and afraid of each other.
That's not who we are, and we're done with it.pic.twitter.com/cwZAAktskk
— Kamala Harris (@KamalaHarris) November 2, 2024
There's still time to make a plan to vote. Thank you for your support and for spreading the word, @IAmCardiB. pic.twitter.com/liXnCLUouQ
— Kamala Harris (@KamalaHarris) November 2, 2024
WATCH >> Harrison Ford lays it out
“The truth is this, Kamala Harris will protect your right to disagree with her about policies or ideas, and then, as we have done for centuries, we’ll debate them. We’ll work on them together, and we’ll move forward.”
— James Singer (@Jemsinger) November 2, 2024
This has been the story of almost every election since Dobbs, and it’s been doggedly ignored because women’s right to their own bodies lacks the noble savage appeal that Coastal media bestows upon the White Working Class as the true representative folk of America’s inland empire. https://t.co/yW9Q0fp6CD
— Peter Wolf (@peterawolf) November 3, 2024
I am becoming fairly sure that many pollsters and pundits are going to regret underestimating how completely pissed off the women of America are this time around.
— Charles P. Pierce (@CharlesPPierce) November 3, 2024
Remember, folks: Sharing is caring!
Lady Gaga, Oprah and Ricky Martin are scheduled to be in attendance at Kamala Harris' campaign event in Philly on Monday. https://t.co/a1Ebgb6PM6
— PhillyVoice (@thephillyvoice) November 3, 2024
Kamala Harris’ campaign has revealed the musical performers and guest speakers that will be present at a free concert Monday evening outside the Philadelphia Museum of Art.
Performers will include Lady Gaga, Ricky Martin, The Roots, Jazmine Sullivan, Adam Blackstone, DJ Cassidy, Freeway and Just Blaze, the Harris campaign announced The event will also feature guest speakers such as Oprah, DJ Jazzy Jeff and Fat Joe. Harris is scheduled to attend.
During Monday’s event, Harris will make her last appeal to voters in Pennsylvania, which remains an important swing state in Tuesday’s presidential election between Harris and Donald Trump. The concert runs from 5 to 10 p.m., and several road closures and parking restrictions will be in effect. The campaign event is free, but attendees must register on the PA Dems’ website.
The city will be Harris’s final campaign stop after visits elsewhere in Pennsylvania on Monday. She will start the day in Allentown, and travel to Pittsburgh — where her rally will feature singers Katy Perry and Andra Day — before arriving in Philly.
Monday’s event in Philly will be the latest concert in the city held to rally support for Harris. Last week, Bruce Springsteen and John Legend performed during a Harris campaign event at Temple University’s Liacouras Center. Former President Barack Obama also spoke at the event…
This woman lives in a small Oklahoma town. Something extraordinary is happening, y'all. ???????????????? pic.twitter.com/WDMFQcRQei
— Bill Madden (@maddenifico) November 3, 2024
“States who have gone looking for non-citizen voters have found shockingly few," says David Becker. He says Ohio announced that in over a decade, it found six possible cases of non-citizens voting. https://t.co/WAIqCRBevX pic.twitter.com/vrGiwWXPk9
— 60 Minutes (@60Minutes) November 4, 2024
On The Road – Albatrossity – Coastal California – 1
rikyrah
Good Morning Everyone 😊 😊 😊
Baud
@rikyrah:
Good morning.
Baud
So I hate to be negative but I want to say something and today is the only good day to do it. We are likely to win, but there’s a possibility that we might lose. If we lose, a lot of abusive people will come out of the woodwork to blame Dems or some component of Dems for not being good enough. Please give those attacks the back of the hand. None of us are responsible for the depravity of others. Liberal guilt only hurts liberals.
Hopefully, in 36 hours, this comment will be moot.
JMG
Had my first real case of election anxiety related insomnia last night. It’s about the most unhelpful thing I could do for Harris and myself. Coffee and tomato juice are helping this morning
I’d like to second Baud’s post. Everybody here gave it their best. So did the Harris campaign.
Suzanne
It never fails to blow my mind that everyone seems to forget that WOMEN ARE A HUGE PART OF THE WORKING CLASS.
I realize that it’s because people forget that cashiers and hotel maids and preschool teachers and hair stylists and retail sales and office admins and customer service reps and student aides and dental hygienists and, like, FIVE THOUSAND OTHER ROLES are actual work!
danielx
“Leaving it all on the field” is an overused phrase, but it seems to fit here.
Nervous but with a good feeling this morning.
HeleninEire
That Oklahoma lady made me cry. The nightmare is almost over.
Kosh III
Good morning all y’all!
FYI Warren county, TN where we live has a total population of 43,000+. Almost 13K early votes were cast.
Unfortunately this is a deep red county but the big cities here are deep blue so I’m hopeful.
Baud
@Kosh III:
We won’t win Tennessee but Dem enthusiasm in a deep red state is encouraging.
prostratedragon
“City, Country, City,” War
Peale
I have to admit that one of the nice things about being a Democrat is that Kamala Harris isn’t likely to use tonight’s rally in Philadelphia to announce that Ricky Martin and Oprah Winfrey will be in charge of government efficiency and health care.
Harrison Wesley
Philly rally details and the pic of the art museum really made me want to go back for a visit. Sounds like it will be wonderful. I think we’ll have a President Harris on Wednesday.
satby
@Baud: All true. And, I think your last sentence will be too.
@rikyrah: Good morning sweetie! It’s going to be a fine day, even with the pouring rain 😊
Nelle
A couple of weeks ago, while in a fabric store looking for a certain color of yarn, I struck up a conversation with another woman. Forty-five minutes later, we agreed that we need to keep in touch. She’s a farmer’s wife in a deep red farming community about an hour away from here. She’s about the only Democrat she knows in the area.
Last night, she texted that she keeps imagining Kamala’s hand on the Bible. That image keeps her going. I’m adopting that image, too.
There has been a lot of energy here in Iowa to get out the vote. It got a real boost with that new Selzer poll. I’m hearing that the tariff talk is unnerving some of the farmers, but I have reservations about whether enough to affect the rural vote.
Peale
@Peale: On the other hand, even if Ricky Martin were placed in charge of HHS, I doubt he’d use the position to declare that entire classes of drugs were no longer necessary because he has a plan to put you on his special diet.
Halteclere
Iowa hasn’t been “solidly red for so long” based on president elections. Sure Iowans voted for Trump twice with ~10% margin. But except for voting for Bush in 2004 with a ~0.7% margin, it has gone blue for presidential elections since 1988.
So there is a significant base of Iowans willing to vote blue.
Texas, on the other hand *has* been “red for so long” that it won’t see such a significant swing in voting margins. The fact that Allred is close to Cruz is indicative of how disliked Cruz is, not of how Texas voting is suddenly changing.
Or maybe I’m wrong, and women, and those who care a out women, will kick ass in Texas!
Bruce K in ATH-GR
@Baud: Hopefully, 12 hours after your warning becomes moot, we can begin bickering about whether to drop the no-pants plank in the platform of Baud!2028!
The Audacity of Krope
Ever get in trouble for killing roaches when there are no bugs in the house? I just did.
ETA: I also notice there are never star-studded free concerts to swing Massachusetts’s votes…
Baud
@Halteclere:
Texas has been trending bluer in presidential races. Biden got within 6 of Trump, closer than Iowa. That’s the source of hope, plus Texas has a cruel abortion policy.
Maxim
Morning, all, and what Baud said.
I love all the voting videos. Even if the worst happens (and I don’t think it will), a fire has been lit that is not going out.
Gin & Tonic
If Maia Sandu can win, despite massive, open vote-buying by russia, I am hopeful Kamala Harris can win as well.
Gvg
If any democrat announced they were putting me in charge of some department I was totally unqualified for, they would promptly fire me because I would be publicly asking what kind of idiot does this?
Iwould really like to see our diplomatic service switched to a normal merit based experience based bureaucracy instead of top jobs at safe countries going to rich important donors. I hate that holdover from the old spoils system. I do think only if at least some of the donors pushed for it, could it happen. We have a lot of bridges to repair and build.
Baud
@Gin & Tonic:
Yes! That was inspiring.
Dorothy A. Winsor
I saw a post saying Tester is leading his senate race. His winning would make control of the senate a lot easier.
randy khan
“Shockingly few” non-citizen voters is a funny way to characterize something that is a consistent finding. There’s nothing shocking about it, since there is no history of any meaningful number of non-citizens voting. The idea that they do is pure RW fantasy.
Nelle
On another Iowa note, the Sec of State announced that a little over 2,000 people that, at one time, checked that they were not citizens when they applied for the driver’s licenses, may only vote by provisional ballot, and then will have to prove their citizenship for the ballot to be counted. But some of them did this over twenty years ago and have since become citizens. Even the Sec of State admitted that it may only affect 200 people, but he still made it extend to over 2000.
ACLU took them to court and yesterday afternoon, the judge ruled in favor of the Sec of State. Those whose votes will be affected will receive no notification before Tuesday. So my husband, a poll worker, is trying to figure out if he can accept any proof of citizenship or if he has to enforce the provisional ballot avenue. Lots of last minute monkeying around. Our opponents depend on chaos and throwing so much shit at the wall.
The Audacity of Krope
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Not only do I expect to see a lot of our close calls and even stretches break our way, I wouldn’t be surprised at a couple truly unexpected good results.
New Deal democrat
@Baud: Win or lose, Harris and her team have run an almost perfectly flawless campaign. If she loses, then there was no possible Democrat alternative who could have won.*
And like you say, in 48 hours hopefully this will be moot.
(*and as an extra special bonus, as of yesterday Trump was continuing to step on rakes as his closing argument)
NotMax
Now that’s a campaign I can unreservedly support (AI image).
;)
Baud
@NotMax:
That’s worse than what Musk is doing! /Fox
Maxim
@Nelle: Oy. Hopefully the number of people affected will be very small and their citizenship easily proven.
Jeffg166
There are 801,991 registered Democrats in Philadelphia. If they only show up Harris will win the state.
BritinChicago
@Peale: I’m so ignorant that I don’t even know who Ricky Martin is. But I saw Oprah W give a speech at the DNC and, oddly enough, I think I’d be fine with her being in charge of health care.
prostratedragon
Thanks for the music, Mr. Jones
SFAW
@Bruce K in ATH-GR:
It better be Baud!2032! (unless you’re expecting Baud to challenge [the much hoped-for] President Harris in ’28).
The Audacity of Krope
Very popular singer roundabout the mid 90s.
Betty Cracker
Pertinent to a couple tweets above: On Bluesky, someone posted screenshot results depicting what happened when a couple of prominent Trump surrogates weighed in on CardiB’s timeline. She ethered them without a trace of mercy.
Also, a commenter observed that when Indiana Jones asks you to help him fight Nazis, you help Indiana Jones fight the fucking Nazis. (Paraphrasing!)
@Baud: Amen to that, brother. If you don’t mind, I may steal that for a front page post (with proper attribution, of course) later. If no one beats me to it. I hope it proves irrelevant, but it needed saying just the same.
The Audacity of Krope
The notion of dropping no pants has the feel of an ancient thought experiment.
Baud
@Betty Cracker:
I’m honored.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
Astute observation from Ruth Buzzi:
https://twitter.com/Ruth_A_Buzzi/status/1853060628715368919
NotMax
@BritinChicago
Boy band Menudo alumnus.
AWOL
@BritinChicago: She’s a quack promoter. Anything for ratings and $$$. She has made two fascists, certified idiots named Dr Phil and Dr Oz, famous and politically involved with promoting fascism.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@Baud:
David Axelrod is holding on Line 2.
The Audacity of Krope
I’m already sharpening my knives. I don’t expect to need them but it keeps my mind occupied.
Baud
@comrade scotts agenda of rage:
Exactly. The entire media will have an orgasmic field day chastising us.
catclub
48? 72?
Scout211
A bit off topic, but if any of you are interested, Max Tani at Semafor was given a recording of an off-record meeting of journalists and editors at FTFNYT discussing the direction of their political coverage.
TL;DR: The journalists have questions about the editorial decisions around Trump coverage, the editor is defending the editorial decisions around Trump coverage.
But Max Tani wrote this:
Oh no, he did not diss our most famous jackal of all time! DougJ is the GOAT and he is unquestionably successful!
The Thin Black Duke
@Baud: The fault is not in the stars, Brutus, but in ourselves.
Baud
@catclub:
Yes, 36 is too short. Even if our wildest dreams come true , it’ll be at least 40 hours.
The Audacity of Krope
@catclub: I suppose Baud may be hoping that the thwomping is so epic that they know who the winner is the minute the polls close.
If only…
Gin & Tonic
@BritinChicago:
Would be a fucking disaster. Maybe not as bad as RFK Jr, but a world-class disaster nevertheless.
Baud
@Scout211:
So weird. Doug isn’t monetizing pitchbot, so how can they possibly measure success by anything other than popularity.
PAM Dirac
@Dorothy A. Winsor: I saw an Emerson poll that had Tester down 3. When the Haris +3 Iowa poll came out the drumpf people countered with an Emerson poll that had drumpf +10 in Iowa. I don’t think you can transfer that lean directly, but it is pretty clear that R+3 from Emerson is NOT a big lead. The post yesterday about Montana indicated a pretty big Native American turnout that is probably going to be worth 2-3%, so a Tester win would not be a shock.
Wanderer
@Baud: I approve this message. Hopefully tomorrow and Wednesday will bring joyful news.
NotMax
@Scout211
The Times they ain’t a-changing.
//
catclub
@New Deal democrat: as of yesterday Trump was continuing to step on rakes as his closing argument
Yeah, all his supporters are saying ‘hit the economy’ and Trump is saying ‘RFKjr would be in charge of vaccines and fluoridation’
HinTN
@Kosh III: Just a hop, skip and a jump away in Franklin County. Also deep red. I wish the Senatorial and Congressional candidates had run explicitly on Dobbs and women’s rights. We’re going to get loud mouth Marsha again. Thankfully, DesJarlais doesn’t have larger ambitions and just draws his check. That doesn’t make him seny less odious. It’s going to be a long long process to break the rural stranglehold over the cities. We’ve got to keep working!
Dan B
@Peale: Lol!
But what about heading the Department of Earworms and Smoking Hot Dance Moves?
And the Department of Everybody Gets a CAR!!! (Plus a chicken in every pot…)
The Audacity of Krope
Fluoridation was the first conspiracy theory that, after a little research, I was certain any time I heard someone talk about this I can disregard what they have to say.
RFK Jr. added vaccines to that list personally.
NotMax
@The Audacity of Krope
Expect every network to call D.C. 45 seconds after the polls there close.
;)
Bruce K in ATH-GR
@Betty Cracker: You just convinced me to buy the new Indiana Jones video game coming out at the beginning of next month. Because from what I’ve seen, it lets you punch Nazis. Or hit them with a frying pan.
dr. bloor
They don’t drive coal-rolling F-150s so they don’t count. Everyone knows this.
catclub
There has been tons of stuff that has been about Trump and not reported, while every bit about Hillary was reported. Suddenly the press has scruples about publishing stuff obtained by foreign intelligence organizations.
The Audacity of Krope
@NotMax: We might add MA, VT, and CA to that list. NY, OR, and WA may take as long as 10 minutes to call. The wait will be agony.
HinTN
@Gin & Tonic: What that told me is that Russia’s game ain’t as good as I have feared it would be. 🤞
comrade scotts agenda of rage
I just got back from 4 days wargaming in Lancaster PA. I flew into BWI and stayed with a friend in Pasadena MD (it’s near the airport). He actually lives along the water in an area called Riviera Beach Some observations:
My friend is a Trump voter and the area he lives in votes that way. He doesn’t post yard signs and we don’t talk politics in any direct way (we talk subjects and it’s civil) so he’s not an in-your-face right wing screamer. But that little area of his, JFC, *every* house damn near had Hair Furor signs, I’ve seen nothing like it. Having driven thru rurl KS just a month prior, the contrast was stark. Yeah, population density is like comparing apples and oranges but I’ve gotten the sense that a lot of rurl voices on the right have muted it a bit this time around. Not these white clowns in that burb/exurb of Ballmer.
By contrast, here in nominally blue Denver (CO’s blueness is a mile wide and an inch deep), sure, you see the expected Harris/Walz signs but not nearly in the density as in that swath south and southwest of Ballmer.
Second observation is TV. I don’t watch anything on network as a rule and what I do watch I tivo and blow thru commercials. I was exposed to a lot of TV around me on this trip to MD and PA and my god, how do people stand it? The amount of dollars that go into TV ads remains gobsmackingly high. Every commercial break was nonstop political ads. It was hysterical watching Hogan in MD bring up every racial, Prince Georges County stereotype (mainly about corruption) of his opponent. For the most part, after 4 days, you’d seen all the ads, they’re simply on endless loop by either party.
The Audacity of Krope
@HinTN: Ukraine should have shown you that ..
NotMax
@dr. bloor
Everyone knows Dodge Rams are the Arnold Palmer of pick-ups.
//
K-Mo
@Baud: I’m with you. The effort from the Dems and from the BJ community has been amazing.
I take satisfaction in the fact that my family and I have given it our all. Go USA!
WaterGirl
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
I know I don’t need to say this, because we all know it, but we can’t start trusting the polls because they are moving in our favor.
narya
@Scout211: Dick Mayhew is on line 1 . . . ;-)
As AWOL noted, Oprah is responsible for “Doctors” Phil and Oz. I do think she tries to be responsible, so I don’t get too critical, but I still don’t want her in charge of HHS. The agencies for which I worked are funded under HHS, and I can’t see that going well.
I’m on edge, for sure, but trying to remember to just put one foot in front of the other, in between talking my nearly-90-year-old mother off the ledge.
The Audacity of Krope
@WaterGirl: I never trusted the polls and I’ve been saying landslide all year.
Wheeeeeeeeee!!!!!!
PAM Dirac
@SFAW:
I thought the Baud!2028! campaign was for senator from the new state of Puerto Rico.
Yarrow
@prostratedragon: RIP Quincy Jones. What an amazing career.
narya
@Baud: Thanks for this–it’s actually a very positive comment, and you’re 100% right.
Chet Murthy
@Suzanne: The women of the vast working class have always worked outside the home. (I guess) there was a brief span after WWII when working class women whose husband’s worked in unionized factories didn’t have to work outside the home, and I guess (some of) the wives of the managerial class didn’t work outside the home. But for the working class, they always had jobs in addition to domestic work.
Dan B
@BritinChicago: Very popular handsome Puerto Rican singer. He spoke out about the dig at “Garbage” Puerto Rica.
And Gay. Sigh…
oldgold
Yes, Lyn Lens is correct, the women of Iowa are furious with the Dobbs decision and the resulting draconian 6 week ban our gerrymandered MAGA solons have enacted into law. In addition, the Hawkeye State is, and always has been, less than enamored with tariffs. We have protein to sell to sell to a hungry world.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@Scout211:
Tani’s another dude who looks to Little Ezra’s career path as a model. Note his wording in that quote “alleged’.
He started at Politico, thus needed to be a certain kind of person, now works on polishing his resume at yet another media outlet started by a member of Our Failed Political Media Corpse with an eye to more mainstream employment.
catclub
Yeah, if NC gets called early for Harris – which I seriously doubt,
or Florida.
cmorenc
@Baud:
We certainly can’t complain about the quality of our candidate or the campaign she’s run or what she stands for. The problem will be our disappointment in the quality of judgment of too many of our fellow citizens – that our country isn’t at all what we hoped it could and should be.
Yarrow
@narya: I have a lot of respect for Oprah, but man, does she have the most craptastic ability to sniff out and promote the biggest asshole woo whisperers. It kind of boggles the mind.
Suzanne
@Chet Murthy:
Absolutely. They were washerwomen or domestics (my grandmother) or milkmaids or caregivers for wealthy families’ children or they ran boardinghouses and myriad other things.
There’s been a lot of discourse on Xhitter this week about a TikTok video in which a dipshit white woman laments that, under American late capitalism (but she blames feminism)…. she has to get a higher education and work. And she laments not being able to milk her cow and have a bunch of kids. And, like…. people are trying to tell her that she’s really fantasizing about being rich, which…. uhhhhh yes welcome to the club.
HinTN
@The Audacity of Krope: That was resilience of the people and institutions. What I meant was the ineptitude of the meddling in Moldova.
Slava Ukraini
The Audacity of Krope
@Yarrow: Woo has some practical applications in dealing with your thoughts and feelings. But it needs to stay in it’s lane.
K-Mo
@The Audacity of Krope: I thought this was a good read.
https://jasonstanford.substack.com/p/kamalas-winning-and-its-not-close?r=2nmvea&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&triedRedirect=true
Msb
@Betty Cracker:
links to Cardi B taking out the trash?
catclub
Isn’t getting high ratings her profession? And if the woo whisperers get high ratings she is doing her job well. Is there any evidence of people turning them off?
schrodingers_cat
@Baud: If it comes to that, I will only blame the people who vote for Republicans and Garbage Times and the media sheep that follow their lead.
However I should also add that we are going win and win big
ETA: I answered your question about the uppercaste demographic in the last thread.
Michael Bersin
@Baud:
“…If we lose, a lot of abusive people will come out of the woodwork to blame Dems or some component of Dems for not being good enough. Please give those attacks the back of the hand. None of us are responsible for the depravity of others. Liberal guilt only hurts liberals…”
This is wisdom.
schrodingers_cat
@BritinChicago: Yeah no.
New Deal democrat
@prostratedragon: Fun fact: Quincy Jones said that he came up with the iconic base line for “Billy Jean” by slowing down the intro of Donna Summers’ “State of Independence.”
(and boring fact: said baseline also fits seamlessly with the base line of the Doors’ “Riders on the Storm”)
TS
@AnneLaurie top of thread
reply to tweet from Charles Pierce
Pollster Steve Mitchell revamps sample poll from last week showing trump +1, Rogers +2 in Michigan. He now shows Harris and Slotkin +2. “It seems clear now we are under sampling women, African Americans and the City of Detroit” he says.
geg6
@Baud:
Co-signed.
Nina
If someone makes an open thread tomorrow morning at 4 AM, please title it 20 2024 hours to go.
narya
@Suzanne: So . . . milking cows and raising children isn’t “work”? Oof. My grandmother was a dressmaker/seamstress; she did alterations in a department store, and worked in nearby silk mills as a teenager (her father made her drop out of school after sixth grade).
cmorenc
@The Audacity of Krope:
Which I recall disappointingly happened in 1980. Actually, I was living on the west coast at the time and recall that before polls actually closed here and it was still daylight, the networks were already acknowledging that Reagan was the winner because it was already obvious Reagan would win at least 270 EVs .
Betty Cracker
@Msb: The action was on Twitter, but I saw screenshots on Bluesky offered up piecemeal. Here are a couple of examples. I’m sure there’s much more at the hellsite.
Baud
@TS:
Something something three-fifths.
narya
@Nina: HAH! thank you.
Yarrow
@catclub: Yes. Dr Phil and Dr Oz no longer have their shows. Well, Dr Phil has something – he moved to Dallas and started his own network with a very white, right-wing, Christian bias. Edit – should also add that Oprah also no longer has her network show. I think she still has the O network but I can’t remember.
Also, ratings should not be the only goal of anything. Propaganda works and showing bad things that get ratings is not good for anyone.
SFAW
@PAM Dirac:
Senate? No, I think Baud is a “go big or go home” kinda guy.*
*Baud being the Pantsless Party candidate might give new meaning to that phrase.
Jeffro
WaPo has up an article about how, in the closing days of this campaign, the GOP’s (meaning, trumpov’s) message on public health is “let’s repeal Obamacare, ban vaccines, and take fluoride out of our drinking water”
shorter: “I have no principles whatsoever and no regard for the health and well-being of American citizens. I only want to court the crazies to come out of the woodwork and vote for me.”
This malignant clown could not be more damaging to our country if he tried.
Let’s GOTV and find a New Way Forward, America!!!
dr. bloor
That’s a lot of words for “we don’t have a fuckin’ clue.”
SFAW
@Betty Cracker:
Being an old, and a non-Xitter/etc. person, I need a translation of that word/phrase
Jeffro
ah, so Froette’s week spent door-knocking out there DID work! ;)
(she and I are committed to being obnoxious as hell if our respective GOTV states – MT and NC – go blue =)
Chet Murthy
In Mary Beard’s _SPQR_ I remember her description of the life of a Roman matron (of the upper classes: for the lower-classes it was infinitely worse of course): from the moment they got married, they were either pregnant, delivering, or recovering. It was common for women to bear many children, b/c between infant mortality and death in war, many of them would die. And a common life course was to die in childbirth. I read elsewhere that one of the attractive things about early Christianity for Roman matrons was its focus on denial of pleasures of the flesh — that is to say, -sex-. B/c they knew that without sex, they’d live longer and healthier lives. That they wouldn’t die in childbed.
This woman is either a fool (probably not) or a gaslighter. The time she longs for is one in which women died of preventable illness all the damn time. And yeah, only rich women got to experience the life she bitterly pines after.
Everybody imagines that in a past life they were Cleopatra; nobody imagines they’re the wife of one of the workers who built the Great Pyramid.
Josie
@The Thin Black Duke:
One of my favorite quotes. I used to require all of my sophomore English students to memorize it.
Yarrow
The Today Show had an entire segment on election security. Bulletproof glass, fencing around ballot places, DOJ observers, etc.
Suzanne
@narya:
The woman obviously has the kind of tradwife-instagram-influencer fantasy in mind, in which one actually makes the bulk of one’s income from social media platforms or is supported by a wealthy husband. Not understanding that farm work is really fucking hard when you actually have to subsist or profit from it.
Spawn the Elder said it best this weekend: “Conservatism is a grift and literally every conservative is either a grifter or falling for it”.
Scout211
Thank you for this.
It is worth mentioning that one of the stages of grief is bargaining. Bargaining is expressed in many different ways in grief. But it’s the, “I should have, they should have, why did I?, why didn’t I?, why didn’t they, why did they?” type of circular thinking. Essential the brain tries to redo everything and magically see a different outcome so we don’t have to accept what or who we have lost.
Hopefully, we will not have to experience this. (I like our chances). But it would be nice of we don’t take our grief out on each other as we struggle with that bargaining stage of “shoulda, woulda, coulda.”
geg6
@BritinChicago:
I’d rather Ricky Martin than Oprah, for sure. Oprah brought us Dr. Oz, Dr. Phil and numerous woo purveyors like Marianne Williamson. I do not want.
geg6
@The Audacity of Krope:
Also Puerto Rican.
Renie
@K-Mo: great article, thanks for posting it. Makes me more confident Kamala will win!
stacib
@Baud: I’ve said on here before that I think KH is a loser candidate, and I’m still not clear she could beat any other R candidate, but she’s gonna wipe the floor with trump tomorrow. Unfortunately, I was right about trump winning is 2016, and I’m equally as confident today that his ass is done. I’ve actually taken a vacation day for Wednesday so I can spend the entire day celebrating with you folks here at Balloon-Juice.
Eolirin
@AWOL: Also responsible for Marianne Williamson.
NotMax
@Yarrow
::cough:: Joe Pine ::cough::
::cough:: Morton Downey Jr ::cough :
Suzanne
@Chet Murthy: Absolutely right.
The best response I saw was this:
Fake Irishman
@Baud:
Well said.
Soprano2
@Baud: I agree too. From everything I’ve read, the Harris campaign has left it all on the field, as have most people here. I wanted to do postcards, but when I realized I was often falling asleep at 10:30 on the couch because I finally sat down, I decided I didn’t want to put extra pressure on myself under these circumstances. I donated money and shared stuff on FB, and of course I’m going to vote tomorrow, but was unfortunately the extent of what I thought I could do this time around. Maybe I’ll be able to do postcards next year, or the next.
I feel good about tomorrow. Between reading about how many women are voting D, to reading about how exhaustive the Harris ground game is (and remembering we didn’t have that at all in 2020), I think if we don’t win it’s not because we gave it everything we could. Seeing the numbers for the Native vote in Montana made me feel proud of what the people on this blog have done. It’s like Michelle Obama said, don’t just complain, “Do something!”, and we did.
Yarrow
@NotMax: I have no idea what this means.
Kosh III
After 8 years of President Harris:
Butigieg/AOC 2032!
Msb
@Betty Cracker:
thanks – also for avoiding links to the hellsite!
zhena gogolia
@Baud: I’m braced for this.
I’m pleasantly surprised that people for the most part (outside The New Yorker) haven’t been criticizing Harris for being a bad candidate who can’t pull ahead in the polls.
SFAW
@SFAW:
Tried to ETA, but window closed before I could. Specifically, I do not recall ever seeing Baud state that “he” is male. My general sense is that he is, but if I’m wrong, my apologies. [I seem to recall I’ve asked this before , but I can’t remember the answer, because my memory is starting to suck. Wait, where was I?]
H.E.Wolf
I’m spending today doing one small, concrete action: address updates for my state Democratic Party, with joy and determination!
comrade scotts agenda of rage
Tom Tomorrow nails the general vibe of the moment:
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/11/4/2281891/-Cartoon-D-I-Y-funnies
zhena gogolia
@BritinChicago: Not me. She has poor judgment sometimes (Dr. Phil; Pevear & Volokhonsky).
Soprano2
@Suzanne: For the most part unless we’re beautiful, famous or mothers we seem to be invisible to the press. I have to give “60 Minutes” credit, they did a great segment on the consequences of the abortion laws in Texas last night.
Delk
NYT tech guild is on strike. Playing games is crossing the picket line.
Jeffro
Here’s one for Geminid and any other central Virginians: McGuire’s Biggest Threat Might Be a Bob Good Write-In Campaign
(here’s hoping that VA-05 shocks the world tomorrow by going blue!)
LOLOL pleeeeeeease karma, do your thing!
geg6
@Nina:
Ha! Make it so!
SFAW
@Chet Murthy:
My belief has been that’s why a lot of RWMF’s are so nutso about government regulations: they think they’re going to be multi-millionaires someday, and the don’t want Teh Evul Government taking any of that away.
narya
@Suzanne: Side comment: the whole notion of making a living as a “social media influencer” is just . . . honestly, I don’t have words for it. It contributes absolutely nothing to society. (You should hear me trying to explain it, as best I can, to my significant other, who is nowhere near the social media universe.) It’s worse than that, actually: it clutters up our virtual spaces with noise and consumerism; it’s gross. One of the things I like about Bluesky is that it doesn’t have that element.
TS
@WaterGirl:
But we can believe the polsters like to get it right – most are biased to one party, but when they get closer to election day, they want the reality of getting it right, so they slowly evolve to the winning side. I like to think that is what we are seeing with many of the polls.
TBone
That classy lady in Oklahoma! 🤩🏆🥰 who is chopping onions in here a day early?
Suzanne
@SFAW:
Yes.
Marketing people use the term “aspirational” to describe that. It’s a really powerful mindset. People often see themselves how they want to be rather than how they are.
NotMax
@TS
This. Even Rasmussen bends to the mean.
Another Scott
@Halteclere: The counter-argument is DeLay’s 2003 off-year redistricting antics and all that followed. They wouldn’t have needed to do that if Texas were genuinely red.
Things don’t change until they do. Fingers crossed that the change in Texas starts tomorrow.
Cheers,
Scott.
TBone
I am so chuffed for tonight’s free concert rallies – how to watch:
https://www.newsweek.com/how-watch-kamala-harris-pennsylvania-rally-lady-gaga-katy-perry-1979611
Apologies if already posted and I’m sure it’ll be in a front page but I’m really giddy about all this!
NotMax
@Suzanne
Aspirational in practice.
:)
Another Scott
@The Audacity of Krope:
And not a member of the All-New Mickey Mouse Club.
Cheers,
Scott.
Starfish
@BritinChicago: You don’t know who Ricki Martin is?
TBone
@prostratedragon: 💙
Chet Murthy
@BritinChicago: He was a little after my time: he was famous in the 90s, and I came of age in the 80s. I spent my 90s workin’ my ass off, so not consuming as much culture. But I remember the Earth-shattering cataclysm when he came out. Oh wow that was a shock! I mean, I’m a guy, but my impression was that he had a (ahem) devoted following of women (young, old and every age) who wanted to eat him up with a spoon.
Jeffro
You have to love the phrasing here – yes, snooze media, trumpov “has a uniquely personal interest” in trying to win back the White House. TECHNICALLY TRUE!
Maybe we all could have been hearing more about how trumpov is “uniquely corrupt” all year? Just a thought for next time…
That reminds me: I need to hold on to one of my ‘Dirty Fucker’ t-shirts until the orange moron is six feet under. I need something to wear as each sentencing takes place!
Suzanne
@narya: I don’ understand the economy of social media influencing. It feels like an absolute house of cards to me. I used to work in advertising, and there are a lot of metrics around it. Same with PR. Therefore, we have some good idea about how to reach people and how much of a return on the investment there can be. But I don’t have any sense that we know that about social media influencing yet. It feels all like vibes to me.
I figure that most jobs return some value, though. Otherwise, they won’t last long as jobs.
Starfish
@AWOL: But she also got everyone to read, even if they were reading fake memoirs by liars.
TBone
@NotMax: ❤️
SFAW
@Suzanne:
So you’re saying my self-view that I’m young, buff*, and handsome (with a full head of hair) might not be accurate?
* If that word is even used these days.
dr. bloor
@Jeffro: Unlikely he’ll ever see the inside of a prison, but it will keep him busy for the duration. I fully expect him to go the Full Chin Gigante after he loses.
Chief Oshkosh
@BritinChicago: Uh…She’s the one who foisted “Dr. Phil” and “Dr. Oz” onto us. So, no, she has not cred on this issue
ETA: Doh! I see many others have already stated this.
bjacques
This Asshole Again, Pt. 94:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/04/james-okeefe-alleged-plan-secretly-film-us-voting-and-ballot-counts
The last bit is very “some of you may die, but that is a risk I am willing to take.”
Anyone involved in this needs to be nailed to the wall and hung in a gibbet from the Rathaus, figuratively speaking, as an example to the rest.
Torrey
I hate to disagree with Charlie Pierce
but no. No, they will regret nothing. They will just, each and every one of them, agree that all the other pollsters and pundits underestimated how completely pissed off the women of America are this time around, thus implying that they themselves were, of course, not taken in at all.
Yes, I know I’m going way out on a limb by suggesting that smug and self-serving pundits gonna smug and self-serve, but that’s my bet, this time around.
dmsilev
@Chet Murthy:
I remember reading a line from Isaac Asimov, probably from the 60s or 70s. Someone told him that it was a shame that they weren’t living a couple of generations earlier, because “it was easier to get servants then”. Asimov responded that it would be horrible, because both of them would have been the servants.
prostratedragon
@New Deal democrat: Wow, I’ll have to check that out.
Wapiti
@Baud: If I had a blog or big twitter presence that mocked the supine press corps, I would consider it a huge success to have the President of the United States of America drop my name in the White House Correspondents Dinner. But that’s just me.
NotMax
@Suzanne
“That’s it, baby. If ya got it, flaunt it.”
– Max Bialystock
;)
TBone
@Bruce K in ATH-GR:
🤜🤛
Geminid
@Jeffro: Who would have ever thought Bob Good would be a sore loser? He seemed like such a nice guy!
Good was pretty much the shining star of Liberty University’s informal political network, so I expect he’ll get a fair amount of write-in votes. If there are enough to tip the race to the Democrat, my Atlanta friend Warren and his wife will be celebrating. Warren’s brother-in-law is Grace Tinsley Witt’s campaign treasurer.
TS
@dr. bloor:
it’s also a lot of words for “our assumptions on the electorate have been wrong and misleading”. Late swings to MVP are because polsters want to say “I was right” – their livelihood depends on it.
TBone
@Nina: 🤘
Starfish
@comrade scotts agenda of rage: There are a bunch of stupid little bedroom communities between Baltimore and Annapolis, and there are a lot of dummies making their money off government contracts who think they are rugged individualists that don’t need the government.
Fake Irishman
@Halteclere:
Trendlines in Texas over the last 20 years are much better for us than the ones in Iowa.
Ken
My understanding is that’s how it works under the covers. There’s a diplomatic staff that does all the real work, and the ambassador at the top is largely a figurehead for ceremonial appearances.
Also, countries may see some value in the thought that the ambassador can put through a personal call to the President, rather than to some regional undersecretary at the State Department.
TS
@Chet Murthy:
One of my gg ancestors died having her 14th child. At the inquest into her death a neighbor gave evidence saying “We cannot understand this, she so easily had her other children”.
Husband then married wife 2 because he needed a baby sitter.
Melancholy Jaques
@BritinChicago:
After the doctors she made famous? No F in way!
Another Scott
@Chet Murthy:
Something, something Genghis Khan:
Did Cleopatra have children? [ … ] Looks like she had 4 and 3 survived. No time to see what legacy they had…
Too many rabbit holes!! :-)
Cheers,
Scott.
Melancholy Jaques
@The Audacity of Krope:
By the time they call the west coast states, we will already know who won.
WaterGirl
@Delk: Do you have a link?
wjca
Note that both Florida and Missouri have abortion measures on the ballot tomorrow. And, as we saw in Kansas, that can have a huge impact.
Chet Murthy
@TS: Both my grandmothers had 13 children. Over half died in infancy. The past is a horrible place for most people who lived thru it.
Ken
This is exactly why Baud has always used Baud!20XX!! When you start getting into policy specifics like “what year are you going to run”, you unnecessarily divide your coalition.
Belafon
@WaterGirl: To paraphrase something I posted on bsky yesterday: if you need positive news from the polls to stay motivated, great; if you need to worry about the polls to stay motivated, great.
Fake Irishman
@Another Scott:
Texas has been quietly shifting significantly toward us since 2012-2014 at most levels. Republicans still have the advantage, but their bleeding of college-educated voters has kicked them out of power in four the five big urban counties and has been steadily weakening them in the rapidly growing suburban counties as well.
Statewide they are close to a lock to win, but in a typical bad election year for us the margin of that victory has dropped from about 18-20 points to more like 9-11 points. And in a good year for us, their weaker candidates are winning by less than 5 points (four races in 2018, almost Biden in 2020)
We shall see if tomorrow continues that trend.
Delk
@WaterGirl: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna178639
Chet Murthy
@Delk: “and nothing of value was lost”
Yarrow
@Baud:
I’m not sure that’s technically true. He does have a Pitchbot store linked in his bio and pinned tweet. How much money he makes and what he does with it, who knows.
PAM Dirac
Went off with my wife to have pedicures this morning (the joys of both of us being retired) and saw a sign in front of a house that said “Closets America”. Some political group telling LGBT to get out of the closet? get back in the closet? Ohh, it’s just saying that people in this house paid them money to redo the closets in their house. I will be SOOO happy when this campaign is over.
Ivan X
So, interesting (enraging, but also interesting) BS from our favorite paper of record, today. I’m in my coffee joint today and there’s a print NYT, and right there, center column, above the fold: “Torrent of Lies Redefine Political Norms”.
Oh, really? You think? Happy to see the L word make a cameo, especially with a nice strong, accurate word like “torrent,” but any particular person or party trafficking more heavily in those lies? Well, surprisingly, yes, in the subhed: “Over a lifetime, Trump has fabricated his version of reality”. Weak, insufficient, but at least it’s not Bothsides(tm).
Then I saw the byline: Peter fucking Baker, and spent no further time on it. God knows what bullshit appears in the actual piece, it’s not like he wrote the headline anyway.
But I still felt slightly gratified that, even if as a platonic ideal of too little, too late, Trump’s shit was called out for what it was, in 18 pt type, or whatever it is they used.
Here’s where it gets interesting: When I thought I’d share this little tidbit with you jackals, I looked for it on my phone. Mon dieu! It’s not on today’s mobile front page! So I googled “nyt torrent of lies” and found the fucker, only, guess what? New headline, sanewashed! “Trump’s Wild Claims, Conspiracies, and Falsehoods Redefine Presidential Bounds”. Heh heh heh.
At least the first sentence still says, “It took just two minutes for former President Donald J. Trump to utter his first lie of the evening, claiming once again that the 2020 election has been stolen.” And then I did skim the story, and it’s long and damning and detailed and doesn’t even seem to mention Harris or Democrats. (Or other Republicans, it should be noted.)
I’m dying to know what decision making happened here. Was it calculated, that the readers of the print edition are gonna be mostly NYC metro, while the delicate flowers of the national market can’t handle the the L word or visibility of the piece? Was it “caught” and “corrected” for later print editions? Enquiring minds want to know.
Meanwhile, the (thankfully silent) TV’s here are set to MSNBC, Fox News, and BBC News. And it’s FOX that has spent the last ten minutes carrying the Harris rally in Michigan.
What is going on? Black is white, up is down? Fox is carrying Harris unfiltered, Peter Baker is calling out Trump’s lies in blunt terms? I like to think of these as good omens. Perhaps these craven institutions can tell which way the wind is blowing and are hedging their bets against being on the wrong side of history.
ETA: The Fox feed now just says “we’ll be right back,we’re in a commercial break,” which makes me wonder if it’s the main Fox News channel or some satellite/cable/internet variant. And now they’re on Trump rally. Still, though.
ETA 2: I’m gonna spend today giving at least to any close Senate or House race. Maybe I’ll find the stones to make some calls.
Belafon
@Suzanne: They’re entertainers, same as others. They’re just great at selling the “everyday” persona they present, whether it’s actually them, or not. Think of it as another form of entertainment that currently doesn’t require movie studios or recording companies.
lowtechcyclist
@Nina:
And the first commenter had better respond, “I wanna be sedated.”
geg6
@Chet Murthy:
My mother was an only child and her mother’s eleventh pregnancy. We have baptismal pictures of my mother as a baby being held by her mother in which my grandmother’s hair is already white. Yes, she went white early but she was in her early forties in those photos. Imagine ten lost pregnancies back in the 1920s. Amazing she lived through it.
Chet Murthy
@geg6: “bear a child, lose a tooth”
Soprano2
@Chet Murthy: I think most people who want to live in the past don’t think about the practical things, like most people didn’t have indoor flush toilets, there was no A/C or central heating, lots of water wasn’t safe to drink, there were hardly any vaccines, there were no antibiotics, and so on. They get a romantic idea of how it was from TV and movies.
Starfish
@Ivan X: I bet the online title is SEO optimized and that a lot of people like conspiracies. The online title feels click-bait-y. “What are the wild claims, let me click on them!”
It is so sad to see real news look like clickbait garbage, but this is where we are.
Elizabelle
@Baud: I think we will win, but good advice. Once we have a result, so begins the rest of our lives.
TS
@NotMax:
Rasmussen has been doing this when other polsters were not even in the game. Prime example.
Chet Murthy
@Soprano2: they all imagine themselves as rich as Nathan Mayer Rothschild, but don’t imagine that they’ll die of an infected abscess at age 58.
Chet Murthy
I had a chat with a sibling last night: they also have important life decisions put on hold until after the outcome of the election is known. So many of us are waiting to figure out what our lives will be like in the future, waiting for the outcome of this election.
Soprano2
@Chet Murthy: One of my mother’s cousins said it best, when discussing the past “The “good old days” weren’t that good”.
Ivan X
@Starfish: hadn’t considered this angle, but it of course makes sense. Still, “lies” was replaced with the punchless “falsehoods.”
(Only the most tangentially related of free associations here, but British postpunk band New Order has a classic 1983 album called “Power, Corruption & Lies.” Am laughing at the thought of it being called “Power, Corruption & Falsehoods.”)
Ken
Didn’t that happen in, like, mid-August? Nationally, at least, she’s been ahead of Trump for quite a while.
AWOL
@Eolirin: Forgot about that grifter. Maybe because she and her nonsense emerged in the 1980s. Thanks.
scav
Wonder if sweet cheeks the past was so no job wonderful is quite ready to face down doing the laundry with wringers. Mom was trying to remember exactly how the wringer pivoted between wash basin, first rinse basin and second rinse basin. Because you rollered everything as you moved them between “cycles” in her setup. “Very efficient” she said as you were rinsing the whites and lights as the darks were in the wash basin (same water for all, of course) and then hauling things out to the line before cycling back and hauling the darks into the rinse end of things. No sneaking in the dusting while “doing” the laundry, it required active doing. And this was the early 60s so the ringer was electric. Luxury!
AWOL
@Starfish: Her BFF, a small, egotistical man, started a small imprint in my publishing house that became an out-of-control monster, as he could get blurbs from her. Abusive bastard. So glad he’s gone, and his son—who I’m sure Oprah arranged to get auditions—is now getting more mental-health attention than making awful superhero movies.
I know a lot of folks on our voting side like her, I’m sure she means well, but being on 24/7/365 because you need endless dollars and attention means a lot of your supporting cast are going to be asswipes.
lollipopguild
@SFAW: Baud2525!
Soprano2
@scav: My grandma had a wringer washer until sometime in the early ’70’s.
wjca
You’re half right. You forgot this part:
When we win, a lot of abusive people will come out of the woodwork to blame Dems, or some component of Dems, for not being good enough.
Because, if Harris (and other Democratic candidates) had been good enough, the results would have been far better. Note that this will be true even if Harris wins 50 states and the Democrats win every Senate race.
Suzanne
@Ivan X: So funny you mention. Spawn the Younger is going through her Hot Topic phase. (God.) I was in there with her on Friday picking out some new T-shirts. I asked the dude at the counter if they had any New Order or R.E.M. T-shirts, and Spawn asked me, all incredulous, “Would you actually wear a New Order T-shirt?!”.
Like, WTF, I wear music and art T-shirts often.
So now I need to find a cool New Order T-shirt.
Chet Murthy
@Suzanne: I guess it’d be like our parents wanting to wear …. idunno, Django Reinhart t-shirts ?
Omnes Omnibus
@Suzanne: Go for Joy Division instead.
artem1s
@Nelle:
Weird, me too. I really wish Hillary or Ketanji Brown could swear her in. Anyone other than that fuckstick Roberts.
The Thin Black Duke
I have a Marianne Faithful T-shirt.
H.E.Wolf
Yes we did. We are collectively badass.
Omnes Omnibus
@The Thin Black Duke: Cool.
Chet Murthy
@artem1s: Oh, if Hillary could swear her in! Sigh.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@Starfish:
My friend is a retired engineer who worked nearby at Lockheed-Martin on, you guessed it, gubmint contracts, for 30 years.
He’s really generous and has done a ton for our gaming community over the last 15 years. We share a lot of common interests so getting together is always great. He’s not so much the “rugged individualist” as the “all government is awful” type. Paranoid as hell too.
His wife is even worse. But somehow, we manage to keep all the politics out of things.
I usta think that Southern MD (aka Waldorf, aka The Dorf) was the blood red part of MD (as well as the Eastern Shore and Western MD) but damn if it ain’t that way a lot “closer in”.
Ken
@artem1s: There’s no Constitutional requirement that it be the Chief Justice, or even a judge, who administers the oath.
If Harris asks someone other than Roberts, pundits might tsk-tsk that she’s insulting him, but DUH. He made his partisanship obvious quite a while ago. Besides, “official act”, right?
H.E.Wolf
One of my grandmas had a mangle!
And a cast-iron stove.
Both of which were in regular use in her home, through the 1980s.
Suzanne
@Chet Murthy: Dude, my kids and their friends are all into old person music. Spawn the Younger was going on and on about Stevie Nicks this weekend (which, excellent). One of her friends has a Rumours T-shirt. I’m like, “EVEN I WAS NOT BORN WHEN THAT ALBUM CAME OUT.” They’re all freaking out about the new Cure album.
prostratedragon
@Jeffro:
That reminds me of this article about people in federal prisons who have similar unique interests, and their oppositely disposed family members:
Many additional harrowing details in the article. Just one more of millions of reasons to hope that the nightmare begins to recede tomorrow.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@The Thin Black Duke:
I’m betting it’s from back in the day as well.
It’s been hysterical to see tshirts from that era make a comeback, or at least variations of them.
I have a concert tshirt from a Jethro Tull show in 1978. Still fits. :)
Bupalos
@The Audacity of Krope: poignant, endearing, and a kind of face-slap: the moment at every watch part I’ve been to where I realize there are people who don’t understand why there is. no reaction to Maryland getting called for us.
sab
@BritinChicago: Not me. She made Dr Oz famous.
Elizabelle
Jackals: a request for some links: met an undecided voter at the doors yesterday; she’s concerned about the economy, rising prices, cost of living. We talked a bit; she was still on the fence (and seemed like she might think Trump was better for business, but an open mind too):
Anyway: got her email address and would love to send her some good articles from “nonpartisan” sources on Kamala and the economy. If they’re lengthy; I’d be happy to read them and do an “executive summary” for her. Usually I have a stock set of articles to share, but did not do that this year, and hope you all will have some accessible links on why Kamala is a great choice. She is not going to believe the campaign website.
Many thanks in advance; I’ll be out all day, but will be checking back in.
This experience made me wish we had something like that great site some college kid put together in 2004, “John Kerry is a douche but I’m voting for him anyway.” That site was so helpful for “independent” voters, especially since it did not come off as partisan.
(Thinking about that reminded me that Kerry lost, but have always wondered since, did he really?)
Anyway, thank you!! Good luck to everything you are doing to finish this race successfully.
Gawd, I wish Steeplejack was still here. For many reasons.
sab
@NotMax: I did not know that is where he got his start.
artem1s
There is an Iowa factor here that hasn’t been discussed. Since the DNC removed it’s first primary status and decided to do away with caucuses, I’m wondering if Dem voters are actually pleased with this change. Causes are inherently undemocratic and elevate chaos rather than well thought out policy. Maybe voters feel more engaged since they didn’t have the MSM breathing down their necks waiting for the next Carter surprise to emerge. I’ll be curious to see the turnout there vs. past elections.
sab
@comrade scotts agenda of rage: I loved typing STOP to an Axelrod text. Ditto Carville.
Eunicecycle
@TS: my grandmother died giving birth to her 8th child, when my dad was 2. His dad remarried too, to a woman who decided she didn’t like children! He and his siblings were split up and sent to live with various relatives.
scav
@Soprano2: That living memory of the past is showing up at the polls in Iowa, no? The one that remembers entire advertising campaigns dedicated to getting the little housewife her tranquilizers so she could make it through her perfect day.
prostratedragon
@Another Scott: Charlemagne supposedly has a fairly large city’s worth of descendents, doubtless including some regularly on this blog.
Anoniminous
@TS:
No shit you worthless lying horse’s ass scumbag of a lying charlatan.
narya
@Ken: Any reason Biden can’t swear her in? Would love if it could be Jimmy Carter. Or Obama. I mean, ideally it would be someone like Shirley Chisholm . . .
Tony Jay
@Baud:
Looking at this from thousands of miles away and with the jaundiced eye of a bitter old Leftist I can’t imagine what a better Democratic campaign could have looked like. The energy and the attention to detail have been first-rate, and you can tell It’s driving the right people crazy from the coverage in the corporate media.
Stench/Snowball ‘24 by comparison has been a toxic bin fire of calamity for months. Quite possibly the worst national campaign I’ve followed since the Tory campaign of this summer.
If the US electorate pulls the lever for Red in this election it’s nothing to do with how hard the Blue corner fought.
moonbat
@K-Mo: That was a good read. Thank you.
Chet Murthy
@narya: If it’s either Obama or Justice Jackson, hoooooboooooy the heads’ll be ‘splodin’ I’m’a warnin’ ya’ !!
wjca
I’d be impressed, except that my mother had a mangle.
sab
@Chet Murthy: So true.
Teddy Roosevelt (I am not a fan) told his kids that it was the boys’ duty to risk death in combat and the girls’ duty to risk death in childbed.
Take that kids. Your dad expects you dead.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@Tony Jay:
Fellow bitter old Leftist, loud and proud Biden supporter and pusher back on the Tonya Harding Dems shares your assessment.
Maybe not as “good” (wtf I mean by that) than Obama’s 08 campaign but running a good second of all the ones I remember dating back to 68. There will be no recriminations from this face of the part of the party that lost. Helluva campaign, helluva campaigners.
Chet Murthy
Stench showed us who he is, in all his feculent glory. Nobody can claim that they didn’t know. And so if he wins, America will be telling the world who -we- are, too. There won’t be any hiding from it.
sab
@Kosh III: Buttigieg ( 2 t). I want AOC to stay in Congress. She is good at it.
artem1s
Military, Passport and state ID (including drivers license – all must be unexpired) that shows citizenship status are the only forms of acceptable ID in Ohio (I’m working the polls tomorrow).
Those who have expired ID’s or have recently become citizens can produce their citizenship paperwork on the day of, but still have to vote provisionally. Or if they don’t have their paperwork they have 4 days to produce them at the BOE. I’ve taken this as a win because if LaRose had his way those newly sworn in citizens would probably be facing arrest. He’s going to cause trouble with trying to throw out provisional (and probably mail-in) votes en masse just because he’s that kind of asshole (also to try to keep Issue 1 anti-gerrymandering ballot from passing).
For those who are battling ever changing voter ID laws, spend the money and get a passport. Even if they won’t take it a primary, it is the definitive back up to proved citizenship.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
@Soprano2: I went to the Tenement Museum in New York. They have some of the original apartments from the time, furnished as they would have been at the time. Three rooms: kitchen, bedroom and living room. If the parents got the bedroom, then everybody else slept on some surface in the living room.
Bathroom was a shared room in the hall.
And often they took in boarders. A boarder’s “room” would be a sheet marking off one corner of the living room.
My Dad spent at least part of his childhood in an apartment like that
The Thin Black Duke
@comrade scotts agenda of rage: It’s from Marianne’s Broken English tour.
Melancholy Jaques
@prostratedragon:
I think that would be true of anyone from the 8th & 9th century who had a lot of children who survived, who then had a lot of children who survived, etc.
War, famine, and the plagues didn’t get everybody.
wjca
Do military IDs show citizenship status now? Because, newsflash, it’s entirely possible to be in the US military without being a citizen. Not that I would expect the RWNJs making voter ID laws to know that….
Soprano2
@Suzanne: How do you know you’re old – when music that came out when you were in high school is described as “old people music”. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL They like some high quality music, that’s for sure.
Anoniminous
@Soprano2:
A movie accurately showing people screaming in pain while dying of internal injuries suffered at work isn’t going to get a lot of play on Disney+.
sab
@Ken: Ambassadors at fancy embassies are there with their checkbook. State Department doesn’t have the budget necessary to finance necessary entertainment so we send ambassadors who do. And provide them with professional embassy staff to do the actual diplomatic work.
arrieve
@Nelle:
I love this. I am trying not to be too optimistic but I do think we are going to win. I was shaken by an argument in the teachers’ lounge on Saturday, where one woman dismissed the Trump cronies’ promise to set up camps and deport 30 million people. “He can’t do that. It’s physically impossible.” As though the logistics are the point! (And we teach immigrants–it’s our students he’s talking about deporting.) Of course she also feels that men playing women’s sports is one of the biggest issues in this election.
Another teacher doesn’t want to vote at all because U.S. foreign policy is so bad. I tried to be calm and respectful talking to both of them, but I wanted to cry. These are intelligent people. How do they not recognize the stakes here? (One teacher did leave because she got so upset.)
I know most of you have this kind of interaction on a regular basis, but living in Manhattan and having almost all of my friends be Democrats, this is the kind of thing I hear about but never experience. It shook me to the core. I do think we are going to win, but right now the image of Kamala’s hand on the Bible is better than Xanax.
sab
@Yarrow: I have some pitchbot stuff re Ohio. A mug and a t-shirt. I love both.
Soprano2
@scav: Yes, the one that remembers women who died or were scarred for life from botched illegal abortions.
Chet Murthy
You aren’t alone. I live in SF (17yr) and a guy with whom I have an (ahem) involuntary business relationship said to me that he was certain nothing, absolutely nothing, would change if TCFG got back in. He also regaled me with complaints about inflation and all. Food prices doubled! Horrors! I wanna believe that he’s still gonna vote for Harris, but really who knows? I know others in his family, and I’m sure at least some of them are gonna vote for Harris.
Sigh. And this is in San Francisco.
SatanicPanic
Welp, one day left. I like our chances but I try to stay away from predictions. I don’t think there’s a better person to be our candidate than Kamala Harris, so no matter what happens, I can’t really fault her campaign. She’s done great on a very tight schedule. So, fingers crossed.
I don’t plan on watching live coverage but my wife will probably want to. I would prefer to just watch Adventure Time and/or go Christmas shopping. I’m also taking a break from drinking, but we’ll see if that holds. Hope Harris wins.
Soprano2
@arrieve: Wait until you have the “I like TCFG because he tells the truth” interaction. I figured out what they mean is “I agree with what he says”, because they know he’s a huge liar but don’t care.
Bupalos
I heartily endorse the idea that Dems have risen to the occasion in unexpected ways that should make us all proud of our party and hopeful for democracy. MVP particularly has shown herself to be the kind of workhorse political talent that just keeps resetting your expectations higher.
which isn’t to say she was flawless, the campaign was flawless, or we supporters were flawless. None of that is true and we can do better and will have to do better in the future. But if we lose, it will be because of what we were up against, which I think many of us here constantly underestimate and over-particularize to moral flaws of the United States and it’s citizens. By all rights in this global environment with this electoral structure, losing was by far the most likely option. And if we win it will be because we saw what was coming at us up out of the sewer, said “not today satan,” took extraordinary action, worked hard, and beat that shitmonster back down where it belongs.
Let’s also recognize that the Biden administration’s policies and governance against the odds kept us structurally in a place where we could win.
Basically the lowest inflation in the developed world, great job market, real gains on inequality. Even a down payment on climate action.
Citizen Alan
@Scout211: Hit dogs holler.
sab
@Suzanne: I remember when my stepson played punk music at full volume in his room.
I let him play his “music.” I wore whatever t-shirt I wanted. But of course he was a stepkid. He had a real mom to annoy him. My job was just to let him be him and me be me.
Geminid
@Ken: President Biden chose former Senator Jeff Flake to be Ambassador to Turkiye, and thzt sent a message I think. U.S./Turkish relations were damaged in 2003 by George Bush’s decision to blow up Iraq, Turkiye’s neighbor, and relations became pretty tense over the last decade.
Turkiye is an important regional power and has been Nato’s only Muslim member since1952. Our relations really needed mending, and I think Flake’s appointment sent a message that Biden and his team were taking Turkiye seriously. Flake has since helped put relations on a much sounder footing than they were in 2020.
Flake went to Turkiye around the same time Rahm Emanuel was made Ambassador to Japan. One of my favorite counterfactuals is: what if Emanual had been sent to Ankara by mistake? He and R.T. Erdogan might have initiated the first Turkish-American war.
Ivan X
@Suzanne: Fortunately, their album designer, Peter Saville, made some of the most iconic and influential cover art in rock history, so that shouldn’t be hard to do. Etsy awaits!
Also, respectfully disagree with Omnes. Joy Division is the more obvious choice. They’re probably selling it at Brandy Melville by now. (Also, from my perspective, they’re two excellent bands, that happen to share 3/4 membership, but are musically different.)
sab
@artem1s: I thought when Roberts fucked up the Obama swearing in that it was just a goof. In retrospect, Roberts thought it would invalidate Obama, and Obama called him on it and demanded a redo.
Roberts is an utter snake. Umpire calling balls and strikes is pure bullshit. He is a hack.
SatanicPanic
@Bupalos: I don’t think losing was the most likely option. Fascism has only ever existed in what, a dozen countries. It takes a special set of circumstances to win and those almost never come together. Any number of things could have ended Trump’s rise- prison, a few more Republicans in the Senate voting to impeach, a few thousand votes in the right places in 2016, the near-miss at his rally not being a near-miss, etc.
Trump never should have been a likely winner, despite the economy. It was only having a weak candidate on our side (Biden) that really gave Trump a chance. Trump has had incredible luck on his side and we don’t know how long that will last.
sab
@The Thin Black Duke: I just got a Dean Mitchell Vote t-shirt.
SatanicPanic
@Soprano2: Spend any amount of time around MAGAs and you quickly learn they don’t care about the truth. They don’t research anything, because if they did, they might find out the rumor they heard from their neighbor is false. They’re not liars in the sense that they know they’re telling untruths, they’re liars because they will repeat anything without caring if its true. If you ask for proof they’ll just say “well that’s what I heard” and shrug their shoulders.
sab
Minor cat altercation. Hissing!!! Dobby just stood down Shadow. I didn’t know any cat could stand down Shadow.
Citizen Alan
@Suzanne: or maybe if he’s thinking about how marie antoinette had a working sheep form at versailles, so that she and all her courtiers could dress up as poor people and pretend to be shepherdesses as a lark.
a thousand flouncing lurkers (was fidelio)
@Gin & Tonic: Russia being Russia, I wonder how many payments were actually delivered, and how much of that cash stuck to other hands along the way.
Jeffro
@Suzanne: Fro Jr. wears my old NIN t-shirt all the time. =)
(oddly enough, he has shown little interest in wearing my Journey ‘Frontiers’ one, LOL)
Melancholy Jaques
@Chet Murthy:
For me, this is the single most infuriating excuse to vote for that asshole. It means the person completely forgot the pandemic that had most of the world in crisis for over a year. It means the person expects the president to control food prices. It means the person has ignored the fact that inflation has been down for the last year and a half.
Mostly it means the person is a racist who wants to vote for Trump but doesn’t want you to think he is a racist.
frosty
You just described northern Baltimore County.
Jeffro
@Geminid: if GOP infighting and write-ins end up handling Witt the win, I will probably explode from delight.
(I’ll do my best not to, but no promises)
Bupalos
@SatanicPanic: I fundamentally disagree. Small-d democratic incumbents are getting slaughtered worldwide, only holding on with new and unstable coalitions, against a backdrop of a steady march to the authoritarian right. Climate change, spiraling inequality, and technology-mediated social disruption are world-historical forces tilting the field in a way not seen in generations. It’s a politically destabilized age and the United States is in the crosshairs, with its structurally undemocratic electoral tilt and 2-party system that encourages the purified, moralized us/them politics fascism feeds on.
If we beat this moment this cycle, we should be proud of ourselves as a country. And make sure we keep a sense of urgency about the things we can do to help us stay afloat in these troubled waters going forward.
Maybe Trump was lucky, or maybe he was very good at parts of post-truth populist right-wing politics. And maybe we in some senses were lucky to have him because he’s very very bad at parts of this too.
Citizen Alan
@AWOL: i firmly believe that we need to tax billionaires heavily for their own good. I believe that wealth above a certain level simply drives people insane. See also JK Rowling.
SatanicPanic
@Bupalos: I don’t see how climate change or inequality factor into this. Climate change hasn’t appreciably changed our lives (yet) and inequality doesn’t really explain Trump, since Trumpers tend to be wealthier than the average voter. The authoritarian right has been rising in Europe, but that’s cause Europe is full of white people that don’t like immigrants. I think once enough white boomers die off we’ll probably be over the hump.
Geminid
@SatanicPanic: I’m going to hang out in my car and listen to the radio Election night. I can pull in Atlanta’s WSB and Charlotte’s WBT, and both stations will have good live coverage of the elections in their respective states, plus bulletins on national news. I’ll be able to follow events on my smartphone while I’m listening.
I listened to WSB the night of the Georgia Senate runoffs in early 2021, and they had two anchors and five reporters on the job. At one point a reporter said he had been talking to Republican officials in rural counties, and they were “chagrined” by the measly turnout. That made my think that Warnock and Ossoff could win.
So when Raphael Warnock was up for reelection in 2022, I made sure to tune in to WSB election night. But they were counting down to the tip-off of a Georgia Bulldogs basketball game!
I was “chagrined.”
Soprano2
@SatanicPanic: Yeah, I know, I work with them five days a week. LOL I try to avoid talking politics with most of them, since they’ll inevitably call you stupid. This is a 65% TCFG voting county. I’m curious to see if that’s changed much since 2020.
SatanicPanic
@Geminid: I don’t think I’m up for the rollercoaster (Harris is winning PA with 1% of the voting…. Trump has gained on her with… 2% of the voting). I can see how the radio would be better though. The news on TV just feels like overload.
@Soprano2: Ouch, I’m sorry! I am curious too. I just don’t know.
Bupalos
@SatanicPanic: to me the short answer is that climate change is already creating migrant flows that put pressure on liberalism. A longer answer is that climate change has cast a kind of pall over the future, which makes the politics of going back more potent.
Inequality has hollowed out education, created growing sacrifice zones in the United States, and reduced the social mobility on which democracy always depends. Trump’s growth market is in relatively less advantaged minority communities. While political identity coalitions still largely hold, they are bleeding. The Democratic Party is becoming wealthier, better educated, and more white. I think we need to give up on the demographics is destiny stuff.
Tony Jay
@Chet Murthy:
If America somehow, despite everything, hands that lump of molten fail the keys to the kingdom, it’s pretty much time to turn out the lights, put up a sign reading CLOSED FOR REASONS on the door and leave the keys tucked in a clown shoe outside the nearest Native reservation, because there’s broke, and then there’s broke.
Not going to happen though. Not a chance.
Jeffro
from Slate: we’ll never have another normal election again
(one election at a time please, ma’am!)
Technically true! There never really is any ‘going back’. But at least some of these clowns are going to get tired of losing, tired of ‘purity purges’, and – if we put in the work – get tired of having their cruelty and insanity in the limelight.
Captain C
@Suzanne:
Someone pointed out, I think on BlueSky, that what people who claim to want the ‘tradwife’ life actually want to be plantation wives, where they had/would have unpaid and abuse-able help to do all the work for them while they sat around in idle luxury.
SatanicPanic
@Bupalos: Is it though? I don’t think concerns about immigration, at least here, are related to any actual increase in immigration, and most of the immigration in Europe is from countries that are experiencing instability for political reasons. Seems like you’re looking for material reasons for something which is caused by mostly social issues.
Ken
When the network has spent $4.8 million on the Election 2024 Primary Core Command Center with Live Hologram Maps, they want to get their money’s worth.
In somewhat related news, the NYT’s tech workers are on strike, so don’t check their site for election updates.
SatanicPanic
@Ken: Lol yeah it feels like watching a Michael Bay movie sometimes
Sister Golden Bear
@Suzanne:
That woman isn’t fantasizing about being a farmer’s wife, she’s fantasizing about being the plantation owner’s wife.
Greebe
@BritinChicago: @33
Not something I’d like to see:
Oprah is responsible for DRs Phil and Oz.
Leto
So found out my Lit class for this afternoon was canceled, which means I could pop over and see all these amazing performances. Unfortunately I have two major research papers, and a ton of reading to do, and have to prioritize my time. I everyone who can attend has a blast. Also unfortunate is that Reading will receive the Russian asset this afternoon over at the Santander Arena for his final visit. I can only hope it’s his final visit, ever, to this state.
Bupalos
@SatanicPanic: I’m not sure I get the distinction between “material” and “social” here.
these forces interact with one another. People who feel they are in economic sacrifice communities in an economy they feel is predatory and unstable become more hostile to the social/economic right below them. This never fails to happen.
And climate change is in fact pushing more migrants into the United States. It’s more starkly the case in Europe, but it’s true here as well.
Then you have social media, which allows this dynamic to significantly unmoor from reality and be socially amplified.
We are in for it. And we are in it. We’ve missed countless opportunities to make our ship of state more resilient while in calm waters, and now we’re headed out into the rough stuff.
Chet Murthy
@Sister Golden Bear: There’s been a somewhat-perennial hubbub on the leftish side, about “permaculture” and generally rejecting industrialized food production. I saw it at Naked Capitalism [spit] back during the Great Recession. The idea is that if we localize food production, it’ll have all sorts of great effects, like reducing the impact of climate change, reducing the power of capital, etc.
What they forget is that industrialized food production was one of the key steps in liberating women to be full and equal citizens. B/c before that, the amount of time women spent on food production (growing, preparation) was just immense. Another example is industrialized production of fabric: every story from pre-industrial times has the women working some garment — knitting, knitting, knitting.
Women’s equality is a direct product of our industrial society: “tradwives” are just completely ignorant of what have received.
Baud
@Sister Golden Bear:
I do declare….no lie told.
Ruckus
C. Pierce said it best.
I am becoming fairly sure that many pollsters and pundits are going to regret underestimating how completely pissed off the women of America are this time around.
This is a country by, for, and about ALL the people, not just the rich men. Not just the rich. Not just the pompous and arrogant. ALL the people. There are far more people in this country who actually work or are retired or on and on and on, than the rich, the pompous arrogant. This country was started as an ideal change from kings and queens, from the rich who paid crap to the people that got them their wealth, that we are all equal. The poor and the rich, the pompous and the not so much, the owners and the workers. EVERYONE. Now there will always be some who think that they are far, far superior and for many reasons. THEY ARE WRONG. We are all equal in the eyes of this country. Now as this country has gotten older and more wealthy and still has a very large working class, the people that do the day to day stuff that make a society actually work, the people that did this for decades and are now living out the last years of their lives. We have, as most societies of age do, a wealthy class, most of whom got that way from others that did the actual, physical/mental work side of living. The production side, the food generation side, the medical work side, the education side, the cop side, the on and on and on side. Most people aren’t rich, but they can be wealthy in the concept of being part of the bigger picture of society. They’ve earned their place, and often earned it far more and better than the wealthy ever did.
We all make up this country and our individual value is not our bank accounts, but our lives and labor. This is not supposed to be a country by and for money, but of all the people that live here.
Geminid
@Bupalos: The Democratic Party in Virginia is getting less White, because Virginia is becoming less White. Democrars here are becoming more college-educated and wealthier and that’s because the state has become more college educated and wealthy.
But Virginia is 20% African American, and Black people swing a lot of weight in our Party even as they become more college educated and wealthy.
FelonyGovt
I’m 70 years old, and I should not be wishing my life away, but I wish I could somehow teleport right to, say, Friday morning.
TBone
@Leto: your hope is seconded!
Bupalos
@Chet Murthy: I’m really missing where your facts about the development of mass (fossil fuel driven) agriculture in the U.S. freeing women (a historical reality) connects to ideas about permaculture and localizing agriculture now. It has the same kind of flavor as “if we elect trump, prices will go back where they were.” How is localizing food production NOW supposed to un-free women in this model?
TBone
@Ken:
😆
Geminid
@SatanicPanic: Television is all about overload. I like to listen to baseball games on the radio because it’s so calming, without the barrage of replays, statistics etc. I encounter with televised baseball. And the best thing is, I can do other stuff while I’m listening.
Doc Sardonic
@Soprano2: I remember in the early 90’s working with a bunch of high school kids when they came in with a cd from this hot new band they were all heated up about……It was Aerosmith. I brought in a Toys in the Attic 8-track the next day.
SatanicPanic
@Bupalos: Social is about the beliefs that people hold. Material is their material circumstances. The old Marxist belief that peoples’ material conditions determines their social beliefs has always struck me as not all that true.
I think the climate impact is overstated at this point. More people are fleeing political instability, which wasn’t brought on by climate change, but other factors.
Eolirin
@Bupalos: Dude, all of the losses to right wing authoritarian leaning parties have been Russian backed and have involved action by their intelligence services. This isn’t some passive function if the things, it’s a deliberate and coordinated movement backed by oligarchs, primarily from Russia but also America and a few other places.
It’s not “circumstances” it’s enemy action. It is not a coincidence that the last time we almost got here was in the run up to WW2.
Ksmiami
@Tony Jay: that’s how I feel. If he gets in, that’s the turn off switch for the US. We are done
SatanicPanic
@FelonyGovt: Maybe we can all teleport to an island in Fiji with plenty of food and drink and comfortable hotel rooms but no internet or TV. Until the election is actually decided, whenever that is.
Sister Golden Bear
@Chet Murthy:
I think I can safely guess the gender of those pushing the return to localized food and fabric production….
Mr. Bemused Senior
This! We are under constant attack from Russia. There is also an international industry devoted to hiding the oligarchs’ assets and funding crime (see the Panama Papers for details). It enables Russian and other bad actors.
Chet Murthy
@Sister Golden Bear: As it turns out, not all men. Yves Smith is a woman (albeit she turned into a nutter, and a Russia apologist, but still …..) I think they have really weak ideas of how the modern world works, how much we depend on the vast interconnected web of commerce for our lives.
Baud
@Chet Murthy:
Lots of ideas become much easier to deal with when you avoid dealing with difficult parts of the problem.
Greebe
@Jeffro: @271
I agree 100%.
I’ve been telling my family this gor a couple months now, whenever they express the understandable desire to get past that ass and the Rs.
i hope there will be some sort of unified, coherent response to the techbros and others who are following some guy (Yarvin?); I’ve only just started reading about him and another conservative contingent referred to as Barstool? Hard to keep up, but there seems to be a nascent but consistent philosophy focused on post-democracy. And I don’t think it involves the economically stressed. I’ve yet to read of a response to them.
Bupalos
@Eolirin: It’s strange to me this would be presented as either-or in the first place. But especially so considering that the mode of attack of the petro-mafia state in question specifically has come through the lane labeled “technology-mediated social destabilization” and specifically aims at target already softened up by spiraling inequality and technology-mediated social destabilization. Like we didn’t have enemies that wanted to attack us before?
Trump is an inherently American phenomena. We created him, we nurture him. Russia tries to help us commit suicide, but their effect is relatively low.
Sister Golden Bear
@Chet Murthy: They really need to watch the BBC’s Edwardian Farm series (and its related series), which depicts a group of “living historians” recreating the running of a farm during the Edwardian era. Definitely not the gauzy romantic life they think it was.
Citizen Dave
Bupalos
@Sister Golden Bear: I’m guessing you’re guessing “men” and from my experience with is community this is largely wrong. The gender of environmental studies profs should probably be a good vector, which I don’t know but expect is disproportionately female.
Peale
@Greebe: Yep. I think 10 years ago, we had Obama and Silicon valley and they were all going to work together to solve all these problems like houses and public transportation and pods and walkable cities and self driving cars and kids taught on tablets and whatnot and Silicon Valley didn’t deliver any of that. And Musk was in the center of that. And now instead of delivering that, the techbros have decided that liberals must be why that didn’t happen and must be destroyed. And Musk is at the center of that, too. Yarvin is like people who read every dystopian sci-fi novel and decided that the villains were right!
Bupalos
@Sister Golden Bear: again, this movement isn’t “make agriculture great again.” False romanticism of the past can infect any endeavor of course and I won’t say there is none of that here. But it’s ok to say “I haven’t kept up with the science or people or methods involved in the modern agricultural sustainability space” instead of this kind of HawHawThatchedRoofs! thing.
Suzanne
@Ivan X: I like Joy Division, but I love New Order. I mean, I can get shirts of both.
Greebe
For no particular reason other than to put a stake in the ground. I revisited a note I wrote to myself back in early October. I are just an illustrator/designer, so clearly numbers ain’t my thang, but I was thinking….
————-
Start with a Baseline: 2020 election results:
74,000,000 v. 81,000,000
Difference = 7,000
2024 wild-ass projection:
60,000,000 v. 93,000,000
Difference = 33,000,000!
————————
Reasoning:
Trump
(current 80% R support, but he gains no undecided: wish I could remember the source of the 80%.)
74,000,000 − 14,800,000 (20%) = 59,200,000
————
Harris:
(current 93% D support + 15% —wild guess, of course, but it makes me feel good— independents due to Dobbs and pick up from disaffected Rs; women; Puerto Rico)
81,000,000 + 12,150,000 (15%) = 93,150,000
————————
Anyway, as I said above, it makes me feel good…just dropping it here for people to poke with the sharp sticks, ‘cause I’m probably missing something big.
StringOnAStick
@Chet Murthy: I’ve got a Django Reinhart T-Shirt; bought it this year at the Djangofest NW mmusic festival.
Ruckus
I just made this comment somewhere else on the internet and I’m putting this here, although it’s not really or likely needed. But I needed to say it.
I am a 75 yr old white man. I am not young, I am not a woman, I am a veteran.
I voted for Kamala Harris.
I have voted for decades and I am happy to be able to vote for a woman for president. Women make up at least half of humanity. Or more. They have, for most of civilization, been second class citizens, no matter where they are from. They are not second class citizens, and should NEVER be thought of as such.
Boys, grow the hell up, you are only half (or sometimes less…) of humanity. And humanity wouldn’t exist without women. You wouldn’t exist without women.
Timill
@Greebe: At a guess: TFG had 80% support in the primaries even after he’d won.
Ironcity
@Soprano2: Wringer washers are still apparently a thing for people living off grid, Amish, Saudi, or the 18th century. Ran across one a few years ago in a house we were working on. Seems they are still made in Saudi Arabia and sold in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana, and some other places where there is sufficient demand. They are efficient on water and as good as the newer washers with spin cycles to prepare clothes to go on the line.
K-Mo
@Bupalos: From what I’ve read, many are noting that incumbents of all stripes are fighting uphill due to the inflation of a couple years ago.
FWIW, I agree that Biden 2024 was a bad candidate even absent his incumbency, but Harris is terrific.
Citizen Alan
@Jeffro: I am resigned with only a mild despair to the fact that every federal election for the rest of my life will be a national game of Russian Roulette.
Chris
Can I just say how much I appreciate Harrison Ford’s ad?
For an entire generation, maybe more, Harrison Ford was the All-American Hero for Hollywood. In a way that all of the other stars of his generation – Stallone, Schwarzenegger, Willis, Russell, you name it – simply never reached. In the eighties, he was Indiana Jones, a character who was in no small part the answer to the question “what would America’s James Bond be like,” and beat up a bunch of Nazis because that was still uncontroversially patriotic back then. In the nineties, at the height of the “we won the Cold War” euphoria, he played the President of the United States, and kicked ass in a righteous cause. He never really got that kind of role again after 9/11, but honestly, so much the better: for a lot of us Gen Xers and Millennials, the fact that none of the movie patriotic imagery he’s associated with is tarnished by all the bullshit of that era is a feature, not a bug, in his nostalgia factor.
Yes, there’s an obvious caveat. Part of his All-American Hero status is that he was a straight white man in a time when it was impossible for an All-American Hero to be anything but a straight white man, preferably one with a gruff voice and a cranky personality like he became famous for. But, you know what? Both in terms of the real person and in terms of most of the characters he played, white men could do far worse than Harrison Ford; if more of us were more like him, the world would better off for it. So yeah, this is one childhood fandom I’m happy to cling to.
Citizen Alan
@Bupalos: I think the idea is that “localizing food production” means that food production will be done more at the family level, which necessarily means that members of the family (especially the female ones) will necessarily have to surrender any ambitions of ever not working on a farm. We’ll also have to get back to the days where women don’t have time to improve their own lives in any way because they will be busy popping out babies to provide free farm labor in the form of “chores.”
K-Mo
@Ruckus: IMHO a lot of these guys are averse to women leadership but they don’t realize it nor would they admit it to themselves.
Brent
@catclub:
Well, ratings is certainly part of her profession. I have (obviously) never spoken to Oprah but I would be very surprised if she expressed or even thought the notion that her primary goal is ratings. Given everything she has said, I would posit that she believes her primary goal is to inform and enrich the lives of her viewers. With Drs Oz and Phil (along with quite a few other quacks and charalatans) she has failed in that goal.
I have no idea whether she sees it that way, but the objective reality is that those two in particular have been consistent and wildly dishonest purveyors of misinformation and disinformation within our discourse.
Kathleen
@Betty Cracker: Is “Fix My Algorithm” the new “Kiss My A**?” I like politically correct epithets! Also, too, “Log off!”
Msb
@Torrey:
and they will all assure us, once again, that “the women” will soon “get over it”. No, buster(s), not til they get their human rights back.
Another Scott
@Elizabelle: I fear that any evidence won’t be good enough, but thank you for trying.
23 Nobel Prize Winning Economists’ letter (2 page .pdf).
Harris’ 82 page booklet on her economic plans (82 page .pdf) [ eta: ] – Yes, I see you said that she’s not going to believe the campaign website, but having in your back pocket the big H-W themes may help.
Hope this helps a little.
Good luck!
Cheers,
Scott.
Ivan X
@Suzanne: We are cut from a similar cloth, so to speak.
I’m such a New Order obsessive that I made this: https://neworderversions.com
Gave me something to focus on in an anxious year.
Msb
@Ruckus:
you and Harrison Ford (and Tim Walz) are some pretty good roles models for younger men. And for anyone wanting to be a good citizen.
Kathleen
@scav: Yup. My mom had one of those. A neighbor lady told me her hand got caught in one. Those suckers were treacherous.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@Chris:
Has he done anything like this before? He’s always seemed like a pretty isolated dude who doesn’t like to get involved.
On a tangent, Mark Hamill’s impression of him is impressive. Google it and you’ll find examples of it dating back 25 years.
Kathleen
@sab: I have “In This Ohio Diner” hoodie and it is so warm and snuggly (and Union made)
artem1s
@bjacques:
You’d think these people had never in their lives been to a polling place or worked on election day. No way anyone is going to get to ‘secretly’ video the inside of polling place for more than a few seconds at a time. The best he could possibly accomplish is a dashcam 100 feet from the entrance.
Chris
@Msb:
Ever since he’s popped up on the national scene, Walz has just reminded me of every TV character I’ve ever enjoyed who codes “white heartlander as hell” while also being a total liberal. MacGyver, the patron saint of gun control activists. Matlock, the patron saint of defense attorneys. Elliot Spencer from Leverage, modern Robin Hood. There’s a whole set of “you know, just because you’re a white heartlander doesn’t mean you’ve got to be a raging Confederate no matter what your authority figures tell you” role models.
@comrade scotts agenda of rage:
He’s never hidden the fact that he’s a liberal (he once jokingly said that “Democrat” was the religion of his household growing up), and he’s especially big on environmental causes. But he’s also always been a fairly reserved/introverted person for a Hollywood star, so he hasn’t gotten famous for his politics like some stars have. I know he’s endorsed politicians before, dunno if he’s ever done ads like this though it wouldn’t surprise me.
Yeah, I’ve seen those. Apparently Mark Hamill got a reputation on the set as being the guy that you sent to talk to Harrison Ford when he got into a really grumpy mood; his antics were usually enough to make the guy laugh.
The Star Wars fanboy in me will always appreciate that the big three actors were apparently always friendly in real life. (Well, a little more than friendly in Harrison/Carrie’s case).
artem1s
True, but the only presidents who weren’t sworn in by the Chief Justice were in emergency situations (i.e. DC judge from TX swore in Johnson flying to DC on AF1).
AM in NC
@Nina: Thanks for the laugh today. I wanna be sedated right about now!
Mowgli
@Suzanne: thanks for the hat tip on the new Cure album. I took a listen — it’s excellent!
Ruckus
@K-Mo:
THIS. Now there are and likely always will be women who do not give a rats ass about men and will be in charge till their last day. My mom was one of those, she watched her father die from a heart attack when she was 18. Her mom, very sweet but also of her time passed when I was 6. Mon was the oldest in a family of 5 kids. At 18 she had to become the head of the household. And she acted like all her kids had zero idea how to be better adults. But she showed us early on how to do that and rarely seemed to believe it when we actually lived our own very reasonable lives.
Ruckus
@Betty Cracker:
I wonder if elon has any idea how much this BS might cost him. Now it will hurt his bottom line but his bank accounts are seemingly larger than a number of banks will likely ever have in their vaults, so he likely doesn’t give a damn. He’s a person who started a business at the right time, when few competitors existed and he has a large, I believe the largest segment of electric cars. But he may not for long, other manufacturers are getting/have gotten into the business and IMHO will out distance his sales not too far into the future, with vehicles that won’t cost what his do and their markets will become much bigger than his because his structure is the upper end of the market. Most/many of us do not fit into that segment. Now maybe enough do so it won’t matter but if he keeps going in the direction he is personally he will turn off a lot of buyers. Such a shame…..
Ruckus
@Suzanne:
Smart kid!
Now it didn’t use to be this way, even within the lifetime of many alive today. Like me.
But in this country and most of the reasonable countries in the world the world has changed rather significantly over the last 75 yrs. Television, movies, radio, all of it has increased what can be heard and seen, and both better. Look what we are doing right here, right now. Travel is far easier than it used to be, maybe not a lot cheaper but far easier. The world is not perfect, after all it’s run by humans, but it has gotten better than when I was born. Medicine is dramatically better. Sure there are people who are hungry, but I’d bet it’s a smaller percentage, out of a lot more people. War is far less than in my lifetime. It’s not gone for sure but significantly less is significantly less. Cars are a lot mechanically better, better milage, less smog production, electronics are far better. The world has changed for the better in the last 75 yrs.
And yet, we have people that seem to want to go back to a time when life was worse, more hunger, more smog, more starvation, etc, etc. WTF?