Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Trump makes a mockery of the legal system and cowardly judges just sit back and let him.

Republicans don’t want a speaker to lead them; they want a hostage.

Many life forms that would benefit from greater intelligence, sadly, do not have it.

In after Baud. Damn.

Boeing: repeatedly making the case for high speed rail.

Republican obstruction dressed up as bipartisanship. Again.

I’d try pessimism, but it probably wouldn’t work.

I’m more Christian than these people and I’m an atheist.

Accountability, motherfuckers.

Just because you believe it, that doesn’t make it true.

You can’t love your country only when you win.

Balloon Juice has never been a refuge for the linguistically delicate.

No Justins, No Peace

Sadly, media malpractice has become standard practice.

They are lying in pursuit of an agenda.

They fucked up the fucking up of the fuckup!

They were going to turn on one another at some point. It was inevitable.

“I never thought they’d lock HIM up,” sobbed a distraught member of the Lock Her Up Party.

The republican speaker is a slippery little devil.

They’re not red states to be hated; they are voter suppression states to be fixed.

Democrats are back in array!

Black Jesus loves a paper trail.

Everyone is in a bubble, but some bubbles model reality far better than others!

“Loving your country does not mean lying about it’s history.”

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    2. 2.

      Ishiyama

      I have been addicted to campaign porn on C-Span since 1992. The attraction, for me, is the rush I get in the last days before the end of a victorious campaign, when I have been following the candidate’s rallies from the earliest iterations. I don’t want to miss out on the shared historic experience.

      The feeling, even in success, is never the same at the end. In 1992, Bill Clinton wore himself hoarse at the end. In 2008, Obama’s campaign’s energy was infused with hope. Tonight I am wallowing in bliss from the pleasure of watching Tim & Kamala’s superlative performances today. They know they are going to win, and they are clearly looking forward. Early in the day, Tim Walz was disheveled and candid, then they put him in a presidential suit and he delivered a fantastic performance in Milwaukee.

      In Pennsylvania, Kamala went from Scranton to Allentown with an entirely upbeat manner, and then finished in Philly looking every inch The President.

      All in all, it’s been an excellent evening, reviewing the day.

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    3. 3.

      Gloria DryGarden

      Has this already been discussed? There are serious horrid challenges going in.  This article about misinformation in Atlanta feels so much like all the arguments I’ve had with friends who believe the fake videos and drink the Kool aid…

      I also feel disheartened by the numerous challenges against mail-in ballots in PA.

      But I finally got my ballot done and in the box, late tonight. Denver has 24 ballot issues to read up on and vote about. It’s quite a challenge. Phew.

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    5. 5.

      lowtechcyclist

      Voters of Iowa, you have an opportunity to do the funniest thing in the history of mankind

      Toxic de-masculinity? :D

      Reply
    7. 7.

      Gloria DryGarden

      That video of the dads voting, his daughter calling out, it gives me tears. The comments under the tiktok say it’s George Clooney, so listened again. It sure sounds like him. How cool is that?

      Reply
    8. 8.

      Bruce K in ATH-GR

      I’m going to be a too-tightly-wound bundle of anxieties all day, knowing that I’ll be dropping from exhaustion before any results come in. I’m like Red in the middle of The Shawshank Redemption, not daring to hope.

      Reply
    9. 9.

      Betty Cracker

      @Ishiyama: Earlier, I saw a clip of Obama in 2008 at his last rally before the election. He was tired but still energetic—he knew he was going to win.

      His was the first campaign I followed obsessively from Iowa to Election Day. Not coincidentally, Obama was also my first primary preference who actually won the nomination.

      It was a magical feeling when he won the election. All that to say, I know what you mean about the shared historical experience.

      Reply
    13. 13.

      piratedan

      has it been discussed yet that Guilliani was supposed to “find out” today and turn over his possessions to the GA election workers and he stiffed them by moving all of his shit out of the apartment before they could seize it?

      Reply
    15. 15.

      Betty Cracker

      @Baud: If Florida flips, I’ll be catatonic with glee. Don’t think that’s gonna happen. But NC and/or GA are gettable, and they count votes pretty efficiently, I think. If Harris wins NC and/or GA, Trump is toast, so it’ll be worth a late night’s schadenfreude feast!

      @Jeffg166: Accurate!

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    21. 21.

      Fair Economist

      @Betty Cracker: Oh yes, Obama winning was one of those remember-for-your-lifetime moments for me. I was treating myself at Starbucks (it was already obvious he was going to win) when the networks called it at 8PM Pacific Time, when the CA polls closed. What a nice feeling.

      Reply
    22. 22.

      Ivan X

      I can’t believe you good people have the verve for watching. I plan on Xanax and cocktails and unconscious by 8.

      ETA: Kerry in 2004 and HRC in 2016 broke me from watching returns again. It’s just too much, especially with that asshole running. Obama in 2008 was glorious, though. Somehow, I knew. It had to be.

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    27. 27.

      Splitting Image

      @Betty Cracker:

      Please. Please. Pleeeeeeaaaaase! Let our long national — nay, global! — nightmare end today.

      Relax, Betty. One of the campaigns is talking about what they will do after they are elected. The other is talking about a squirrel.

      Reply
    28. 28.

      eclare

      @Baud:

      Seems like 2020 was called the Saturday after the election.  I remember finally feeling free to stop monitoring my tv/phone and go buy groceries.

      Reply
    30. 30.

      Gretchen

      @Jeffg166: wow. That’s accurate. I was invited to watch returns with friends, but I couldn’t. I have a visceral memory of watching 2016 returns with friends, ready to celebrate, and slowly realizing that there would be nothing to celebrate. I cried every day for a month. I just can’t be confident.

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    32. 32.

      Sourmash

      When I was a kid, I had a paper route for an afternoon paper. After the post-Watergate election of 1974, the head line read “GOP in shambles!”  I hope to read that again tomorrow.

      Reply
    34. 34.

      Situation Normal

      Sleepless on the West Coast — some guy from Stoned Mountain turned me on to this site just a few weeks ago and it’s been helpful to my morale. You folks and the, um…silent majority (remember that?) embody the hope and promise of this land. Thanks —

      Reply
    36. 36.

      Nukular Biskits

      I’m not a praying  man.

      But, as mentioned in a previous thread, I’m really hoping, not only for a Harris-Walz victory, but an electoral ass-whuppin’ such that Trump supporter can’t even have a concept of a claim of “cheating”.

      Ditto for House & Senate as well.

      Time to kick these regressive asshats to the curb. Metaphorically speaking, of course.

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    40. 40.

      lowtechcyclist

      @Ivan X: ​
       

      ETA: Kerry in 2004 and HRC in 2016 broke me from watching returns again.

      The night of the 2000 election, I told my wife I was going to stay up until we knew who won. (Obviously that didn’t happen!) Haven’t stayed up late to watch the returns since then.

      WRT 2008, I was one of the millions who watched Obama’s keynote speech in 2004 and said, “he’s gonna be President someday.” Then when he declared his 2008 candidacy in early 2007, I remember thinking, “but I didn’t think it would be now.” But I knew right then that he was going to win. I had some brief moments of doubt along the way, but they were brief.

      The thing I most remember about the election itself was that, at the Senate level, it went on until the next July, IIRC, which was one of the reasons our filibuster-proof majority only existed for a few months.

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    44. 44.

      TS

      @Gloria DryGarden:

      I read the whole article and don’t see anything other than fools trying to drum up support. The last sentence says it all

      When a CNN reporter visited a local election office in Fulton County over the weekend, there were no signs of chaos, just a few people returning absentee ballots.

      They weren’t successful in 2020 and they will fail again. Time some of the agitators were sued as per Giuliani

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    50. 50.

      David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch

      Dump told Melania, “Just think tomorrow you’ll be sleeping with the president of the United States!”  And Melania replied, “Do I go to Joe’s place or does Joe come here?”

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    52. 52.

      p.a.

      2000 and the McConnell court broke me.  If there’s no decision (well, good news from Pen, NC, Iowa) by my bedtime (10pm-ish EST) I turn in and try to sleep.

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    53. 53.

      mappy!

      Up at 3:30 for a 4:00am start, thanks to the insistence of a hungry, kneading whiner. Help start the day of poll work. It’s 5:00am prep for the polls opening at 6, closing at 8:00pm; post the count and report to SOS, home by midnight. There’s an election every year. A budget referendum every year. Muni’s in odd years, state & fed even. I’ve only done the full day a few times, at a booth beyond the 75′ line. Think good thoughts for your poll workers.

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    55. 55.

      Chris Johnson

      I’m gonna act like it’s a normal day. I mean, it’s not, but it’s already not because I’m FINALLY able to get my house painted, so guys are swarming it scraping every surface while I try and code, inside. Which is… challenging :) it’s like being under siege, so… normal day :D

      I’m going to call that Dixville Notch sets the tone. In Dixville Notch, half the Haley supporters broke for Kamala Harris. That’s plausible if there are any women living in Dixville Notch.

      I’m also calling the aftermath and the media response based on what people like Tucker Carlson are doing, on the assumption that Tucker personifies the Russian influence (even when he is not interviewing Putin or raving about Russian supermarkets). Tucker is currently also raving about demons. He does not, in fact, believe in them. It’s his current messaging, and that suggests that having lost electoral constituencies due to being too shit and ridiculous and weird, the MAGA controllers are 100% going to double down on the crazy in hopes of making as many heavily armed crazy people be a problem for us.

      I figure if the NYT starts also seriously endorsing demon theories, that’ll be more than confirmed, but I’d bet money that they at least platform that stuff, perhaps on a daily basis. Expect Q and demon loonery to flood the zone, because it’s no longer about winning any election, it’s about provoking attacks on the US from within. And expect media such as the NYT to try to make a case that literally half the country is like that, when in fact they’re really, really not.

      It’s a good time for feds to infiltrate the looniest redneck clusters, which means there’ll be two sorts of people urging the loons to looniness: Russian agents like Tucker Carlson, and feds, who’re also trying to get information on the Russian guys and roll up their networks. So if you’re a MAGA loony, which sort are telling you to do what? Can you be sure you’re not being coaxed to do bad things by a fed who will bust you? :D

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    56. 56.

      eclare

      @mappy!:

      Wow!  Polls open from 6 am to 8 pm?  That’s a long day!  Here in Memphis it’s 7 am to 7 pm.  I will be thinking good thoughts for you and all of the other election workers today.

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    57. 57.

      lowtechcyclist

      @mappy!: ​
       

      Virginia has elections every year: the Federal stuff (President and Congress) on the even years, and the state stuff (Governor and state legislature) on the odd years.

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    59. 59.

      greenergood

      @Gretchen: Yeah, 2016 was a bumper year for horror – first Brexit in June (I live in Scotland) and then the Triumph of the Yam in November…please, not again this year!

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    60. 60.

      Rachel Bakes

      Overnighted at my mom’s and couldn’t sleep. Up with kid at 5 with a headache. Bodes ill for my day of keeping him (and me) outside and active all day

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    61. 61.

      Ramalama

      While we early birds wait and avoid and engage and nailbite today, how about an American poem by Eileen Myles. Seems even more à propos than other years.

      I was born in Boston in
      1949. I never wanted
      this fact to be known, in
      fact I’ve spent the better
      half of my adult life
      trying to sweep my early
      years under the carpet
      and have a life that
      was clearly just mine
      and independent of
      the historic fate of
      my family. Can you
      imagine what it was
      like to be one of them,
      to be built like them,
      to talk like them
      to have the benefits
      of being born into such
      a wealthy and powerful
      American family. I went
      to the best schools,
      had all kinds of tutors
      and trainers, traveled
      widely, met the famous,
      the controversial, and
      the not-so-admirable
      and I knew from
      a very early age that
      if there were ever any
      possibility of escaping
      the collective fate of this famous
      Boston family I would
      take that route and
      I have. I hopped
      on an Amtrak to New
      York in the early
      ‘70s and I guess
      you could say
      my hidden years
      began. I thought
      Well I’ll be a poet.
      What could be more
      foolish and obscure.
      I became a lesbian.
      Every woman in my
      family looks like
      a dyke but it’s really
      stepping off the flag
      when you become one.
      While holding this ignominious
      pose I have seen and
      I have learned and
      I am beginning to think
      there is no escaping
      history. A woman I
      am currently having
      an affair with said
      you know  you look
      like a Kennedy. I felt
      the blood rising in my
      cheeks. People have
      always laughed at
      my Boston accent
      confusing “large” for
      “lodge,” “party”
      for “potty.” But
      when this unsuspecting
      woman invoked for
      the first time my
      family name
      I knew the jig
      was up. Yes, I am,
      I am a Kennedy.
      My attempts to remain
      obscure have not served
      me well. Starting as
      a humble poet I
      quickly climbed to the
      top of my profession
      assuming a position of
      leadership and honor.
      It is right that a
      woman should call
      me out now. Yes,
      I am a Kennedy.
      And I await
      your orders.
      You are the New Americans.
      The homeless are wandering
      the streets of our nation’s
      greatest city. Homeless
      men with AIDS are among
      them. Is that right?
      That there are no homes
      for the homeless, that
      there is no free medical
      help for these men. And women.
      That they get the message
      —as they are dying—
      that this is not their home?
      And how are your
      teeth today? Can
      you afford to fix them?
      How high is your rent?
      If art is the highest
      and most honest form
      of communication of
      our times and the young
      artist is no longer able
      to move here to speak
      to her time…Yes, I could,
      but that was 15 years ago
      and remember—as I must
      I am a Kennedy.
      Shouldn’t we all be Kennedys?
      This nation’s greatest city
      is home of the business-
      man and home of the
      rich artist. People with
      beautiful teeth who are not
      on the streets. What shall
      we do about this dilemma?
      Listen, I have been educated.
      I have learned about Western
      Civilization. Do you know
      what the message of Western
      Civilization is? I am alone.
      Am I alone tonight?
      I don’t think so. Am I
      the only one with bleeding gums
      tonight. Am I the only
      homosexual in this room
      tonight. Am I the only
      one whose friends have
      died, are dying now.
      And my art can’t
      be supported until it is
      gigantic, bigger than
      everyone else’s, confirming
      the audience’s feeling that they are
      alone. That they alone
      are good, deserved
      to buy the tickets
      to see this Art.
      Are working,
      are healthy, should
      survive, and are
      normal. Are you
      normal tonight? Everyone
      here, are we all normal.
      It is not normal for
      me to be a Kennedy.
      But I am no longer
      ashamed, no longer
      alone. I am not
      alone tonight because
      we are all Kennedys.
      And I am your President.

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    64. 64.

      Bostondreams

      @Baud: been reading a couple threads that the abortion measure is in trouble because Florida Dems aren’t showing up to vote. Argh. Hope that changes today.

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    67. 67.

      Soprano2

      @Baud: You’re right. TCFG has the bearing and attitude of a man who knows he’s going to lose. Harris had the bearing and attitude of a winner. You can’t look at those half empty venues and think that’s good. He can lie about it, but there’s video!

      Reply
    72. 72.

      hueyplong

      Gotta say, loving the new vibe in which “doomerism” consists of worrying that incumbent Senate GOPers in Texas and Misery might not/probably won’t lose.

      I know, it’s still a close election in terms of nationwide numbers, each of the three prizes (Oval, House, Senate) is in doubt, and we all will resume tension mode once the results start to come in.  But man, it’s a lot better to be us than the spiteful coal rollers this particular AM.

      Tonight (at least from 7 to 9 and then for an hour in the car) I’ll be on the floor shooting video of a women’s basketball game at my alma mater (for a propaganda piece supporting the program).  Will be a complete distraction without so much as a chance at scrolling on the cell phone, and kind of appropriate for the eight-years-delayed-by-a-monster election of the first female POTUS.

      Come on, voters, go drive a stake through the pig’s “heart” and let’s roll credits on this horror movie.

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    73. 73.

      Betty Cracker

      @Baud: My guess is #4 gets close but comes up short (57% maybe). But if the Selzer poll in Iowa has it right about older women breaking hard for Harris, and it’s part of a national trend, maybe Florida will surprise us? I never, ever count on Florida though. It’s broken my heart too damn many times.

      Reply
    80. 80.

      3Sice

      The new campaign slogan over the last weekend….lulz. Changing things that will have no effect because they can’t replace the candidate.

      Reply
    81. 81.

      NotMax

      Mentioned before, Prime will have bespoke live election coverage. They’ve decided to put fresh batteries into (ugh) Brian Williams for it.

      Bring this up solely for the sake of FYI.

      Reply
    82. 82.

      p.a

      Think couching the End-the-EC movement in “make your vote really count” to the other 43 states, and “get the politicians out for our sanity” to the usual suspects could help?

      Reply
    83. 83.

      Shalimar

      I watched the NY Times needle in 2016.  It started out at over 95% chance that Clinton would win.  When it got down to 72%, I knew Trump was going to win Florida and the election, so I went to bed very depressed.

      Reply
    85. 85.

      Liminal Owl

      @eclare: My memory accords with yours.

      Here’s something I wrote on the Friday (the day before it was called):

      The Year of “I Can’t Breathe”

      On January 2, an old love died,
      breathless in the ICU,
      taken in two weeks by an unknown pathogen.
      By the end of the month, there were alarms
      alerting us to the novel virus,
      and now myriads are gone, gasping.

      In May, George Floyd died,
      begging for breath under a murderous cop’s knee,
      And soon thousands of protestors
      asserting that Black Lives Matter
      fled, choking on floods of pepper spray
      that issued from the thin blue line.

      All summer, wildfires filled the air and news
      in the state where I used to live. 
      Old friends stayed indoors 
      to avoid being smothered
      by toxic particles and smoke.
      The earth herself,
      lungs cut down for short-term gain,
      bore witness: she could not supply the air.

      As the year rolled towards its close,
      we voted, masked and distanced,
      and wait, holding our breath,
      to learn whether breathing might become safe again.

      Reply
    86. 86.

      Kyle Rayner

      Today’s to do list includes buying a lemon. I’ve been improvising my martinis with orange peel and it’s just not the same. Maybe once I have the correct citrus, I’ll even trade up to making bourbon sours for the big night.

      Reply
    87. 87.

      TBone

      JFC.  Per today’s Heather Cox Richardson:

      Today, news broke that Trump’s regional field director for western Pennsylvania, Luke Meyer, is a white nationalist who, under the name Alberto Barbarossa, co-hosts a podcast with Richard Spencer, who organized the 2017 Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia. When Amanda Moore of Politico outed Meyer, he responded: “Like the hydra, you can cut off my head and hold it up for the world to see, but two more will quietly appear and be working in the shadows.” Meyer has called Trump a “con artist” but told Moore he supports Trump because Trump creates chaos that will cause a crisis that will make Americans turn against non-whites, enabling white nationalists to rebuild the country as they wish.

      Nazis all the way down.  We know what to do with Nazis!

      https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/november-4-2024

      Pennsylvania does NOT Nazi!

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    90. 90.

      NotMax

      Did Dolt 45 actually say as closing rancid nuggets he’d place RFK jr “in charge of women” and Herschel Walker in charge of missile defense?

      Yes, yes, he did.

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    92. 92.

      Enhanced Voting Techniques

      @TBone: He’s not just a Nazi, he is an American Nazi, and they are not noted for competence,  and there he was a regional campaign director for Trump in a swing state.

      Reply
    96. 96.

      Ken

      @NotMax: Yeah, but it’s not like anyone who stayed long enough to hear him say it cared one way or the other.

      Love those rally pictures at the top, especially the people behind him. Real “god I’m bored but I don’t get paid if I leave early” vibes.

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    98. 98.

      Mowgli

      @Ramalama: thank you for posting this, it’s lovely.

      May we all be part of making this broken world a little better as we go.

      I’m thinking of my trans son today, lost to suicide 7 months ago, and hoping we will bend the arc of history a little more toward justice and caring today.

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    100. 100.

      Gloria DryGarden

      @Baud: love it. Another quick spike of tears. Thank you!

      means more than any father daughter dance thing, it’s like he sees her and for real wants the best for her. So touched.

      Reply
    102. 102.

      Anne Laurie

      @Chris Johnson: Tucker is currently also raving about demons. He does not, in fact, believe in them.

      I only see Carlson in clips on social media, but frankly he’s been increasingly sounding like a guy descending into a mental breakdown.  And I come from the kind of dysfunctional family where I learned to spot those signals from a *very* early age.

      It would not surprise me if, at this present moment, Tucker believes that demons are real & threatening him personally.  What *does* surprise me is that nobody in his personal life seems to be willing to intervene when the man is very clearly agitated & unhappy.  Gotta assume his remaining ‘loved ones’ are all GOP and/or Russian operatives at this point… which, not a great arbiter for the Reicht Wing media, is it?

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    103. 103.

      Shalimar

      @TBone: And for those who have forgotten because Spencer has mostly disappeared from the news for the last 5 years or so, Richard Spencer and Stephen Miller were close friends at Duke.  Which could explain how Meyer got that job at only 24 years old.

      Reply
    107. 107.

      Gloria DryGarden

      @TBone: wishing him his own chaos.
      May these white nationalists no longer be allowed the use of any inventions created by people of color, or by women. That’ll knock out several cell phone and wifi functions, at the least. I don’t have a complete articulate list.

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    114. 114.

      Gloria DryGarden

      @Mowgli: oh my heavens. I’m so sorry. How old was he?
      I just stopped in my tracks, stopped everything to light an imaginary candle on my imagined altar, for him.

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    115. 115.

      Chet Murthy

      @Gloria DryGarden: the original sendmail program that managed email across most of the internet for many years was written by a gay man.  Two of the key figures in the development of Unix were gay men.

      Reply
    118. 118.

      The Audacity of Krope

      Love the secret vote ad.  No one else peeped how when he checks his phone when the narrator talks about “those you care about the most” it shows is wife and daughter…and the time is 4:20.

      Reply
    119. 119.

      Mowgli

      @Gloria DryGarden: he was a month shy of his 24th birthday. An amazing person in so many ways, but had secretly struggled with suicidal ideation for years. Then in late 2023 his bipolar emerged and it was really bad… he thought he was cursed by his body and mind.

      like so many trans people, the hatred directed at him was never far from his mind.

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    120. 120.

      Gloria DryGarden

      @Bostondreams: that’s crazy, to give up in advance! It’s a state with lots of older women, and we care pretty fervently about abortion and reproductive health care.

      jeepers

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    121. 121.

      SFAW

      @Baud: ​
       

      If we get both, I’ll wait for the speech.

      TCFFG’s concession speech? If so, you’ll have to wait a looooooooong time.
      [Yes, I know what you meant.]

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    122. 122.

      Situation Normal

      @Betty Cracker: Re #104 — just so! But a bit more sleep would help it being 5:06 here & on the other hand my totally legal weed this year is ready. The situation: trim in a mood of joy & satisfaction or bitter irony? And so MVP has stepped to the fore…

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    124. 124.

      Gloria DryGarden

      @TBone: i hit the store late last night for comfort food and came away with deli mesquite turkey, Kroger potato salad, and shrimp cocktail. At least I’ll be nourished

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    127. 127.

      TerryC

      @The Audacity of Krope: Love the secret vote ad.  No one else peeped how when he checks his phone when the narrator talks about “those you care about the most” it shows is wife and daughter…and the time is 4:20.

      Have you ever noticed how NPR announces 4:20 every single day?

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    128. 128.

      Planetjanet

      @Betty Cracker: I was at that rally in 2008.  It was something I will never forget.  I was doing lit drops that day.  One person was so excited, she joined my route.  Previously strangers, we went to the rally that night.  The traffic was so snarled, we did not get home til 2:00 am.  Even so, at 5:30 am, I was at my precinct passing out sample ballots almost all day.  Went home for a short nap and then back out there til the polls closed.  Then straight to the victory party in Tysons Corner.  I remember standing just in front of the media stand as we waited for them to call Virginia and put Obama over 270.  We started chanting “Yes, we did!”  It was pure magic.  Today, I was back opening the polls at 5:30.  Now on the commuter train into work.  But I will be at the victory party in Fredericksburg tonight.  We will do this.

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    132. 132.

      lowtechcyclist

      @Shalimar:

      And for those who have forgotten because Spencer has mostly disappeared from the news for the last 5 years or so, Richard Spencer and Stephen Miller were close friends at Duke.

      I hadn’t known that, but it could hardly be any less surprising.  Talk about birds of a feather.

      I still want everyone who had a hand in the child separations policy to be charged with a few thousand counts of kidnapping and child abuse, and be sentenced to several lifetimes in jail.

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    134. 134.

      Ramalama

      @Mowgli: OMG I’m so so sorry. Eileen Myles (the poet) came out as non-binary a while back, so it’s really fitting. Woefully fitting in your case.

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    135. 135.

      Gloria DryGarden

      @Mowgli: suicidal ideation is a pretty rough road.
      I had a year of it near 30. I remember timing the suicidal thoughts like labor pains, and feeling some relief when I finally got slowed down to only every five minutes. And each time, the  thought was like an earthquake, though I didn’t notice that until it only came hours or days apart, only then could I  feel the shock of it. A little like being torn in two. I can only faintly imagine how hard it was for your son, receiving so much hatred, feeling so at odds with himself, and getting hit hard w the bipolar disorder.

      I’m alive today, because I asked for help, reached out over and over, very humbling, and it took a lot of courage. Sometimes I negotiated with myself by the minute. Just this minute, I can wait and not do it. I can agree for one minute, to stay. It took a great deal of focus. I’m sorry he didn’t make it. 24 is such a tender time, becoming an adult, finding out that you still don’t know much, or feel  much confidence.

      This may or may not comfort you- at a take back the night march, there were speeches, and one speaker said, about women who’d been raped, that she didn’t marvel that they killed themselves, she marveled at how long they lived.

      your son lived as long as he could, and I hope brought light to you and the world as best he could. I hope there were many gifts in the memory of your short time with him. It would be ok to marvel at how he lived. I wish I could come just sit with you.

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    142. 142.

      Mowgli

      @Gloria DryGarden: thank you so much for sharing your story and your support. Sadly, he would not share his secret battle, we only know about it since he died and gave us access to all his private writings. As someone who had so much empathy and care for others (especially his five siblings) I wonder how much of his decisions had to do with sparing others of the burden.

      I am glad you are here and hope we can find better treatment options for people struggling with suicidal ideation, as well as end the stigma around mental health issues in general.

      I will be crying for my son tonight when Harris becomes our President-elect, but it will be tears of joy as well, for a journey toward equality and hope that continues beyond each of our short lives.

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    144. 144.

      Gloria DryGarden

      @Mowgli: he must have felt so alone.
      I’m glad you have his writings now. It sounds so hard.

      It will be good to have Kamala as our president, holding up the possibility of a much wider more inclusive path for our country. She seems fierce, and gentle, and caring.

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    146. 146.

      trollhattan

      And here we go.
      If I never hear another “Who did you vote for? And why?” interview again, I’ll be a very happy person. BBC managed to find a young gal this a.m. who “voted Republican across the ballot” despite her entire family “being Democrats” because a. “all her friends are Republican” (how does that even happen?) and b. “Donald Trump is not going to ban abortions, he said so, but today’s situation where you can have abortions even after birth is just wrong.”
      The end.​

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    150. 150.

      Uncle Cosmo

      @lowtechcyclist: The thing I most remember about the [2008] election itself was that, at the Senate level, it went on until the next July, IIRC, which was one of the reasons our filibuster-proof majority only existed for a few months.

      This. The MN-Senate race was close enough that the Thugs threw everything they could at the results and managed to delay Al Franken’s seating for months, probably hoping Ted Kennedy would die in the meantime – which he eventually did. Then they won the MA-Senate election to replace him when (IIRC) the Democratic candidate ran one of the most inept campaigns in recorded history, and sayonara 60th vote.

      If the Democrats win the HoR and keep the Senate, I would expect a blizzard of Thuglican lawsuits aimed at keeping the new members from being seated – and if they manage to delay resolution past when the 119th Congress needs to certify the Presidential election results…well, I have no frackin’ clue what’ll happen.

      I don’t intend to breathe easily until everything is settled, and I (sadly) don’t think that’ll be for weeks yet…if then.

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    151. 151.

      Uncle Cosmo

      Just FTR, 5 mins ago I got a text from (312) 757-3629 that reads

      (damn it) Kamala will LOSE in Pennsylvania if we can’t afford our voter turnout teams! Rush $20 NOW (600% MATCHED): go.stoptrump.io/1104b8 STOP TRUMP

      No hit on the domain name. A campaign with >$1Bn contributed and they need my $20?? Screams SCAM. Not $0.01 for them.

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    152. 152.

      Florida frog

      Just finished the 7:00 am poll watcher shift in NE Florida. Very busy but peaceful and well run. There was just the one MAGA loudmouth wondering out loud if his paper ballot would be secretly changed in the ballot box. The very polite poll worker refrained from pointing out that there is not a tiny gnome with a bottle of white out hiding in the box.

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    153. 153.

      mr perfect

      “Primal jobs, fraujulently claimed.”  Where do I learn how to speak so eloquently?

      The young lady falling asleep behind TFG at that rally, her young friends not sleeping look bored out of their minds.  Think they’ll actually go to the polls and vote at all?

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