Well, fuck. This fucking sucks.
Where to go from here? Fuck if I know.
Here’s something I do know: The people responsible for this fuckery are the folks who voted for it. Period.
I know some will feel a burning urge to claim this outcome proves their pet theory of the case and express their rage by castigating fellow Dems.
That’s bullshit, in my opinion. We picked great candidates who did the best they could under difficult circumstances, and we came up short because tens of millions of our fellow Americans are shitheads.
It fucking sucks, but here we are. I don’t know what comes next, but for now, ignoring the bullshit and doing what we can to protect the most vulnerable people in our lives from the coming shit tsunami seems like the best use of our time to me.
Your mileage may vary.
Open thread.
Jeffg166
The country is over. It was nice while it lasted.
Prescott Cactus
My dentist is from Syria. . . A while back, in passing, I mentioned my fears of Trump and he said “Your politicians use words to snipe at each other, in Syria they use guns, real guns, AK-47’s. . . don’t worry everything will be fine. . .
Searcher
:-(
Baud
Co-sign, BC.
PsiFighter37
What is wrong with this country. I’m at a loss of words. I’m not even angry, because I’m too tired for that. I’m just resigned.
Bruce K in ATH-GR
Retrench, recover, reinforce, re-engage, and hopefully, at the end, retribution.
Half the country is with us. It’s just not well-distributed.
This is a war. And the fascists just won a battle, a big one, but not the whole war. We’re not dead yet.
schrodingers_cat
Congratulations to the people who pushed Biden out for having a cold and a stutter.
prostratedragon
Oh yes! Whether of one or another of the well-known attitude problems, or the apparently inability to recognize very simple truths and process them to straightforward conclusions, that’s what it comes down to. Shitheadedness. Regardless of a last-minute miracle.
Quantum Man
I am numb with disbelief. I will never be able to understand how so many people could vote for the orange asshole. Good God….Kennedy calling the shots on healthcare and vaccines!? I do not think I will ever understand. Looks like the only thing to do now is work on plans for how to survive the oncoming shit. In the words of Albus Dumbledore, “We may all soon face the choice of doing what is easy or what is right.” Especially with helping those who face forced deportation, or worse.
anon
@Prescott Cactus: has your dentist seen the guns in the us. And that’s just the “good” guys
Chris Johnson
Like I said on bluesky, ‘unusually low turnout’ my whole entire ass >:(
Six in the morning of the day after, and you KNOW Russia controls a bunch of media outlets and Elon controls Twitter and Thiel is in there, and yet you take it as face value that Dems fumbled it with low turnout, oopsy.
This might be a good time to look sharply at who most stridently pushes the narrative we have known was coming. You KNOW Trump’s people are going to claim victory and yet you think ‘Trump’s people’ are just, like, his staff?
Dangerman
I went to bed around 5p my time so …
… what the fuck just happened? Abridged version please.
Where was the wave of women?
Where was the he’s losing in Iowa?!
What did I miss?
waspuppet
@Chris Johnson: Exactly. Thank you.
Our wealthy media class, even the ones who may have reported on Republican vote suppression from time to time, have always flipped a switch on Election Day and said “Geez the Democrats just didn’t turn out can’t imagine why.” I smell a rat.
Brian Sicknick died for this?
Rusty
Now comes the find out phase. Lots of people who voted for Trump don’t think he will do what he said or the 2025 project. Some of it won’t be obvious. You can gut the EPA, OSHA, FDA, it will take time to see the consequences with rising death rates from no enforcement and the loss of meaningfull regulations. All those hidden fees will be back, we will all be just that much poorer. It will be a steady degradation of life, with the burdens falling harder on the poor, old and sick. The rich will get richer and pull further away into their private enclaves. The courts will continue to tilt powr to the rich. There will be a lot of not obvious stuff that we will lose. The obvious will be rounding up undocumented immigrants and tariffs, selling off national assets. It’s only the latter stuff the countrybwill notice while it’s the former that will undermine the country long term.
Rose Judson
Coldly furious. We did everything we could. Forced myself to run errands, but instead of being distracted, I found myself growing more and more angry with the people here for acting as if nothing was happening. Examining melons. Browsing for early Christmas goodies.
I don’t really know where we go from here. But we have to go together.
Tim C.
@Dangerman: short version. The polls that showed a Trump +1 electorate were correct.
FDRLincoln
The country has consciously chosen fascism. Not much to say about it. He will win the popular vote it looks like.
I hope every single Trump voter gets exactly what is coming to them, while the rest of us try to protect our families and the vulnerable people the fascists seek to destroy.
The America we love is gone. Maybe we can build a better one on the ashes.
Prescott Cactus
@anon: Where he lives, the only people who would have a gun are security guards and I’m not sure they even need to carry one.
catclub
our fellow citizens.
My main concern is Ukraine. Can Europe step up?
Ramona
I believe that what this abysmal result says is that we sane people were unable to overcome the disinformation which the mainstream media was able to allow to run rampant in the country. We should continue to redirect our subscription money from WaPo, NYT and any corporate media to ProPublica.
schrodingers_cat
@Ramona: I agree.
p.a
It’s become, oh Dems fix the next R shitshow admin, let’s vote in shitshow again, but the American people are: shitshow? What shitshow? We can’t remember what happened last month? Or we’ve been told what happened didn’t really happen. Gabba gabba hey!
Damien
Goodbye everyone. I’ve enjoyed this community very much, and I’m sure you’ll find a way to handle this, but I’m leaving.
Ramona
I am a clever unemployed PhD in Electrical Engineering and I have never been taught how to practise collective action. I only realized that “collective action” was a phrase at age 49 in 2013. So many of you jackals are good at that. A primer on it would be great!
YY_Sima Qian
Take the day off. Get drunk, get high. Spend time w/ your loved ones. Forget about politics for 24 hrs.
The world will still be f*cked come tomorrow.
Dangerman
So, the Constitution IS a suicide pact.
Biden should resign so we can get beyond the first woman President shit; sure, it’s only for 2 months but it’s a start.
When I went to bed, I thought, wow, Jimmy Carter lived to see a woman elected. Flush that idea.
Worst thing of all? No coffee. No water since midnight. Shit. Can I ask the Anesthesiologist for a little extra milk of amnesia?
Anthony
Every state and nearly every demographic swung to Trump, I figure it’s inflation (or past inflation), racism, and sexism, all filtered.through a media owned by the rich who allowed Trump to run for clown president.
Cheryl from Maryland
I traveled to Spain last month and connected with an artist from whom I bought a print. I started an email Monday to him; I just finished it as I knew if I didn’t I would retreat in SHAME at what way too many of my fellow citizens have done. There were horrific floods in SE Spain at the end of the month; people died trying to get their cars out of underground parking garages in the center cities. Spain doesn’t have an early. warning weather system because, not getting tornados or hurricanes, they haven’t had to. Well, that has changed. Thank you, US for again screwing up efforts to mitigate climate change. This election didn’t just fuck over the US alone.
Czar Chasm
We found out a few minutes ago. I held my partner while she cried for 10 minutes straight.
All that potential…gone.
Decades of progress, being wiped away in 4.
If we flip the House, that will be a big help, but the f—kery from the other two branches…
Might be time to get out of public service.
Louise B.
It’s time to stop being on speaking terms with Republicans. We’ve been too polite to them for too long. Getting ready to take a break from my elderly three-time Trump voter parents. Will really enjoy Thanksgiving and Christmas without them.
HeleninEire
I haven’t been to sleep yet. I’ve tried a half dozen times.
I suppose I’ll stay awake until Dad gets up at 9. I’ll go over to his apartment for some coffee and we’ll hash out our next steps.
At least I’m over the shock and can think rationally. A friend texted me at 1:45 and I was so in shock that it took me 3 hours to answer him.
Chris Johnson
@Dangerman: It looks like somebody came up with a way to not report Dem votes. Look at crowd sizes and tell me that Dems had unusually low turnout. It’s 6:24 the following morning and I’m not taking conclusions from Musk-controlled Twitter.
Next they’ll be telling me I didn’t vote.
ssdd
@catclub: Ukraine is probably doomed now. They’ll be forced into some “peace” deal that amounts to surrender. Gaza and the West Bank are likely done for as well. Bibi will have the green light to kill as many Palestinians as he wants. Taiwan should probably think about its surrender terms as well. I could go on but you get the idea.
Chris Johnson
@Czar Chasm: Or into public service!
Quinerly
Trump took 45% of the Hispanic vote. Greater percentage than GWB.
No change in the Black men vote from 2020.
Source: Morning Joe, MSNBC
espierce
This is horrible beyond words.
Father of two and grandfather of three girls and a boy, I weep for their future.
KenK
Wife is on phone, recapping, with her sister. She is furious with her “fellow citizens”. I’m merely disgusted. There may be some consequences for the red state voters re health care and the economy that they may not have anticipated. Or, they did, and don’t care.
Michael Bersin
Missourians voted to approve Amendment 3 (barely) – the initiative on women’s reproductive rights, women’s health care, and access to abortion which was on the ballot yesterday and at the same time, elected right wingnuts by overwhelming margins who will do everything to overturn that initiative.
On the same ballot
Quinerly
@HeleninEire:
No sleep for me either.
Dangerman
@Chris Johnson: It’s our turn for a handcount. If you told me we got hacked, I’d believe it.
Ramalama
A big old bag of Doritos for everyone.
I’m saddened America still can’t have a black woman in charge. America is for men.
Canada already started reducing the number of immigrants allowed in, and now I wonder if it’s going to turn down even more.
zhena gogolia
The country doesn’t want women to have bodily autonomy. They want a rapist. They don’t want a prosecutor. They want a felon. They don’t want people who are kind to children. They want guns. Goodbye Ukraine, Medicare, hello crypto run wild.
bluefoot
I don’t know what to tell the kids in life. My nieces and nephews and niblings….they know what this means for them.
i can’t get my head around the fact that this is what people want. I need to take some time to mourn then think about next steps.
ColoradoGuy
I wonder what the Alaskans who voted for Trump will think when Russian “advisors” start showing up a year or two from now.
trnc
@schrodingers_cat:
Sorry, but that’s a ridiculous analysis all the way around. There’s no universe in which Biden had a better chance than Harris.
bluefoot
@Dangerman: I would too. I know several Republicans who were adamant that they and any other Republicans had no choice but to vote for Harris.
espierce
@Quinerly:
Ditto
Dangerman
@Quinerly: I don’t get the Hispanic vote. I’m as caucasian as they come (don’t tan, just burn) so I’m safe. They do realize that when they are asked for their papers and they can’t produce a birth certificate, it’s a bus ride to the border, right?
I also live very anonymously. No bumper stickers. Nothing that says liberal. I’m safe. Some people are in for a rude surprise.
Chris Johnson
@Dangerman: I maintain it’s 6:32 of the morning after and we don’t know what the hell happened. That much, is simply reality.
It looks like Russian elections. You muster a human wave five times the size of your opponent and then once it hits the records it’s… adjusted. I do not buy that Dems were dispirited and had low turnout. I do not buy that Kamala Harris motivated fewer voters than Clinton.
This is beyond red mirage. They’ve come up with a way to not count votes. I quickly figured out that was going to happen in Florida, with DeSantis refusing to allow Fed poll-watchers, and I wouldn’t be surprised if Texas is not at all a free election, but what other places are beyond sketchy?
And it’s now 6:37 in the morning of the morning after, and I’m half expecting the fuckers are going to try to seize power NOW, never mind trying to stop counting or recounting. This is exactly the preamble to not waiting until January. The question then would be, are they gonna import Russian or North Korean troops to do it with? They’re not gonna have all of ours available for something like that.
schrodingers_cat
I was afraid of this result that’s why I didn’t want Biden to step down. He would have been more difficult to beat that’s why the news media went against him hammer and tongs. Our coalition has many chinks and that episode exposed it all
I can’t say that I am surprised.
Quinerly
@trnc: if anything, we should blame Biden for not stepping aside sooner. I am NOT. I was very late to the Biden stepping aside train.
People need to face the fact that Biden was under 40% approval rating pretty much his entire term.
JMG
I will speak to no one but my family today. Did not sleep, although I went to bed at 11. We’re not allowed to give up, but I think we are allowed to take some time off. My son’g 40th birthday is in 10 days. Then there’s Thanksgiving, then Christmas. I need to spend more of my energy on them right now. I’ll still be here, but probably not as talkative. Nothing personal. I love you folks. But I’m very tired.
EarthWindFire
@Czar Chasm: Might be time to get out of public service.
Yep. I begin planning my exit strategy today.
Gloria DryGarden
I’m having a math problem. I thought, with so many previous trump voters and close staffers endorsing Harris, and speaking out about why, plus women preferring not to die because they can’t get medical care, how can it be so close, so not in our favor? With all the people leaving his rallies. With the insults to the Latino populace. How could he have more voters?
what kind of fuckery just happened?
will dems demand recounts? Why aren’t we waiting until it’s all counted?
im baffled.
TBone
Robert Reich came up swinging, early and often 😍
https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/06/election-trump-president-resistance-america
Gloria DryGarden
@Quinerly: and yet we say he was an excellent president. And he was. How can we arrange more clear and coherent pr, or branding, going forward?
Soprano2
@Quinerly: You know what that’s about, machismo and misogyny.
I didn’t sleep much. I’m seeing the cardiologist at 7:40 this morning, my pulse will probably still be elevated. It’s the first panic attack I’ve had since I started taking generic Prozac. I’m sure we’ll be fine, but I weep for everyone who won’t
I think as much as anything this is a longing for the time before Covid. They’re in for a rude shock.
Gvg
Furious.
We have a short time before he takes over. We need to finish up some prosecutions and get some jailed. More info public. Any long term intelligence surveillance either needs to be handed off to foreign allies or made public so they can’t be buried by these traitors. Quickly. More urgency getting actual weapons to Ukraine.
Stratagy development both for the party and for ourselves, how are we going to fight and derail their terrible plans. Make them back down. Trumps verbalized plans would destroy the economy of the USA and hurt people painfully very quickly. People are so ignorant of economics and want to believe they can prosper just by lashing out at some target. Simple solutions to life being hard and confusing. Since Trump is stupid he is more prone than a common man to latching on to scapegoating and has been able to embody them. No explaining ahead has deterred them. If they start recreating trade war depressions, can we get them to see when the first harm occurs and before it spirals into worse?
Can we do anything about any of the total nut jobs around him before he gets in office? Now he has won, maybe smarter people will find it worth it to take these fools out?
I don’t know enough about Vance, but Elon, Theil, RFK Jr?
Trump himself has not looked healthy and his family has not been that conspicuous. What is really going on there? We need facts not guesses, tho we probably won’t get it.
I guess we are the resistance, to save the US and as much of the rest as we can. People are not going to like getting what they voted for.
Oh, that reminds me, we need to be going after Russia too long term. I don’t know how and it would have to be deep so Trump can’t stop it, but we can’t let them get away with interfering with our elections this way. Also we need to have a plan. Unlike Afghanistan or Iraq where there was no achievable goal. What do we want Russia to be and how to get there. Yes that’s interfering in them, but they declared a kind of war on us…which gets us at least a part of a goal. A Russia that doesn’t think it can impose its will on any country it wants…the US, UK, Ukraine and others.
Well, this was a little too long term. Right now, focus on the short term and then medium strategy. Furious. It’s not my way to be loud though.
Quinerly
Hispanics swung double digits for Cruz. Looking for the exact breakdown.
******
Lots of splitting tickets in WI. Baldwin will probably win, yet Trump carried the state.
TBone
I don’t have time for post mortem blame or any recrimination whatsoever.
I’m busy planning to FIGHT.
What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?
Whelp. This is awful. I don’t get how all the fundraising and army of enthusiastic volunteers and excellent ground game added up to this. It’s just weird. But PA, NC, MI and WI all have Democratic governors so it’s hard to see how they’d let any chicanery happen.
I’m reading Salman Rush die’s Victory City about a 200 and some odd year old progressive empire’s rise and downfall. Ours lasted about as long. It was good while it lasted. Taking a break from politics for a while, because I can’t even. Sorry Betty I know this was an awful year for you and this is a hell of a crap sandwich to wrap it up.
Tim C.
@Gloria DryGarden: From looking things over, I don’t think he has more voters this time. Both D and R Candidates lost vote totals (or at least appear to at this point) as compared to 2020. Swing states had about the same turnout (with small shifts to trump of under a few percentage points) and the not-swing states had a fall off for both candidates.
As of this moment, 3:46 AM PST 11/6 Trump has about 71M votes and Harris has 66M. That compares with the 2020 totals of 74M for Trump and 82M for Biden. Both Harris and Trump will see some increase to those numbers in the coming weeks, but the story is potential D votes stayed home. As a wild guess, Trump will probably fall a bit short of his 2020 totals and the story for Harris is pretty bleak, probably lots of uncounted voted in California, but unlikely to go ahead of Trump.
schrodingers_cat
Biden beat Trump soundly in 2020. Polls in June are not predictive of elections in November. Anyway I am going to focus on things I have control over rather than arguing in this space. I also just locked my Twitter account.
Have a nice life everyone.
Citizen Dave
@EarthWindFire: Same on leaving public service. I decided to sleep, as best I could. Purposely put off the reveal until now. I don’t even see how the Orange guy runs a functional executive branch. Plus dementia, plus Vance. This is so shocking. America is back to world laughing stock.
Great comments here. Love everyone here.
WendyBinFL
My daughter is a therapist, with a practice focused on clients dealing with trauma and PTSD. I’d like to share something she wrote.![]()
Election Day Compassion: Ahimsa in Action
Today is an important and for probably most of us, no matter what side you’re on, an emotional day. Today may bring out deep fears and worries about our future, our communities, and what the outcome may mean for our lives. No matter what side you’re on, this day can stir up intense feelings. And with that intensity, let’s remind ourselves of the power of ahimsa – the principle of non-violence, starting within.
Practicing ahimsa means being gentle and compassionate with ourselves, especially with our fears. It means recognizing those fears, acknowledging them, and choosing not to add more suffering through harsh self-talk or by fueling conflict with others.
Today, let’s try this together: What is one thing you will say to yourself to practice ahimsa with your fears? What about one way you will practice ahimsa with others today?
Let’s create some calm together.
GregB
@Quinerly:
Biden never recovered from the DC establishment shit-fit/sandbagging post Afghanistan pullout.
Wait until we see the new list of social norms that go by the wayside.
TBone
Also, we must infiltrate their ranks. I’m changing my voter registration as a first step.
Quinerly
@Gloria DryGarden: over 50% of the country thinks the economy sucks under Biden/Harris. Maybe Harris should have distanced herself from Biden and his shitty approval rating that has hovered at 37% most of his presidency?
Quinerly
@GregB: yet no one remembers what Trump did to our Kurdish allies.
Gin & Tonic
@catclub: No. this is the end of an independent Ukraine.
Percysowner
Went to bed around 11:00, woke up at 1:00 and things looked bad, but I made it back to sleep. Woke up at 3:30 and it was all over. I haven’t slept since. At least today is my day off.
zhena gogolia
@TBone: Sorry, I’m done. Going to crawl into my hole now.
Gloria DryGarden
@Michael Bersin: mother of god. It’s very strange. And I can believe y’all passed the abortion rights amendment. So it’s not a miscount..
we need eolirin to teach us all about branding, how to do it, how to recognize what works, or doesn’t, and why
O. Felix Culpa
@schrodingers_cat: Yes. I cancelled my WaPo subscription after Bezos bowed to Trump, and started a recurring donation to ProPublica.
On the feelings level, this is a gut punch, even worse than 2016. We now have a much better idea of the horrors to come, although I suspect they will be even worse than we can presently imagine. I also grieve for the opportunities lost, with incredibly smart and talented women like Hillary and Kamala. What a difference they could have made.
zhena gogolia
@What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?: We’ll see how the Palestinians benefit from Trump’s policies.
Doug
@catclub: Maybe. Europe doesn’t have the huge budgets or the industrial might of the US, but we haven’t been engaging those on Ukraine’s behalf anyway (partial exception for the budgets).
Adam can say, or speculate, better how much US assets have been helping Ukraine stave off conquest. I can hope that Zelenskyy’s flattery of Trump will help his country, but I think (based on some limited exposure to Russian intelligence methods) that Putin owns Trump lock stock & barrel, and has for many years. So Zelenskyy has to try even as he knows it probably won’t work.
Europe might do better than it has, but this is a dark, dark day for Kyiv.
prostratedragon
@KenK: There will be other scapegoats all queued up for that.
Gloria DryGarden
@Quinerly: i remember. Distinctly. I thought it was betrayal, and it broke my heart.
K-Mo
@schrodingers_cat: I think it’s worthwhile to have this discussion. But can we wait a week?
schrodingers_cat
@O. Felix Culpa: I am strangely unmoved. I feared and expected this outcome when Biden stepped down.
MagdaInBlack
@Quinerly: “Should have” is pretty irrelevant at this point. I fact, it’s always irrelevant
This is where we are, this is what we have.
Quinerly
I am just amazed at all this ticket splitting. Even the Dems who are losing overperformed Harris.
zhena gogolia
Looking forward to an old age with no Medicare, no independent Ukraine, cryptocurrency gone wild, etc., etc., etc. And JD Vance lording it over us.
schrodingers_cat
@zhena gogolia: The tankie brigade is gloating about KH’s loss and blaming it on Palestine.
Gloria DryGarden
@Quinerly: it doesn’t work to distance yourself from a president. Others have tried it, kind of made it worse. Forget which election it was.
Quinerly
@MagdaInBlack: kinda my point….we have at least 2 commenters who seem to think Biden would have beat Trump.
Honestly, I think there has been such a momentous shift in the electorate that I don’t think Obama could have beat Trump in 2024.
Eduardo
Yes, the responsibility falls on the people that voted from Trump. No, nobody was fooled, I think part of the Trump appeal is that he shows himself as he is, even his lying is so overt. In that sense, he is not like “the other politicians”.
Live the best life you can do, which includes protect the vulnerable around you. And work very hard on being a half decent person: it is about to get more difficult but it is totally worthy. We all have agency.
@Gloria DryGarden:
Quinerly
@Gloria DryGarden: Gore distanced himself from Clinton and lost.
zhena gogolia
@Gloria DryGarden: Gore.
Gloria DryGarden
@TBone: im going to have to buy a cauldron…too bad, that way is not open to me.
will we have to learn how to be undercover spies, and how to do rat fucking? I don’t think I can…
Marmot
@TBone: Thanks.
I can’t understand why this is all necessary now. It could have been good instead.
zhena gogolia
None of us knows what would have happened if we had stood behind our incumbent president the way the MAGA stand behind Trump no matter what. I’m not interested in speculating, but there’s no need for speculation to know it wasn’t a good thing. I am probably going to register as an independent now.
Harris and Walz gave it their all. They were terrific candidates. The country didn’t want competence and kindness.
Why should we be any better than Russia?
PST
Yesterday I read an article by Nicholas Lemann in the New Yorker that summarizes how thoroughly Biden’s policies have changed the economy for the better. It goes much deeper than GDP growth, low unemployment, and a soft inflation landing. It is more like the New Deal, with a potential to be transformative, although it may now be nipped in the bud. And the benefits have gone disproportionately to the regions and populations that just rejected the Democrats. It is a depressing read on a depressing day, but it drives home how self-defeating our dumbass fellow citizens can be.
Splitting Image
@Gloria DryGarden:
First of all, by recognizing that the New York Times, CNN, the Sunday shows, and the rest of the “liberal media” are the one part of the Republican coalition that has been functioning properly these past four years and the one piece of Trump’s campaign which successfully did its job.
And second, by creating alternatives to these outlets that won’t simply be bought up by Elon Musk and Peter Thiel the minute they become successful.
The first is not too difficult. I think the commentariat here is already at that point, for example. The second is the tricky bit and I have no idea how to begin.
zhena gogolia
This does give me the impetus to cut off all ties with people who voted for Trump. I only know of two in my inner circle. They’re gone.
TBone
https://www.nationalchurchillmuseum.org/never-give-in-never-never-never.html
Gin & Tonic
Looks like Ukraine has decided no longer to abide by restriction using US weapons.
Baud
@Gin & Tonic:
Makes sense. They need to improve their position in the next three months.
Msb
I’m not going to blame our candidates or the party. Kamala and Tim could not have done anything better – and I’m not dumb enough to help the Rs (Republicans or Russians) sow division among us. Everyone did their best; I can’t ask more from fallible humans.
Staring at this result, I feel what I felt in 2016 – now I know how much Americans, including some American women, hate women. It’s a bitter pill, now as then.
TBone
@Gloria DryGarden:
@Marmot:
Give yourselves time to acclimate, but don’t dawdle. You can do your part your own way. I’m a born fighter and I like to fight dirty when it is necessary. It feels necessary now.
MagdaInBlack
@Gin & Tonic: Good. What did they do?
schrodingers_cat
@zhena gogolia: Same. That’s what I am going to do as well. In MA independents can request either party’s ballot
schrodingers_cat
@zhena gogolia: I already cut them off after 2016.
Central Planning
@Bruce K in ATH-GR: You forgot to lead with retch or reverse-peristalsis. That’s where I feel like I’ll be any minute😭😭😭
Nannette
I’m done with politics and this country destroying itself from within. Let it rot and fester as a warning to the rest of the world.
p.a.
@PST: I saw that article also. We are a stupid, stupid people. As a whole.
Layer8Problem
@Gin & Tonic: Good. I’m truly glad they are. I don’t know what to say. I wish to God I could think of something useful to say.
Ramona
@schrodingers_cat: aapka haal kya hai?
Gloria DryGarden
@Gvg: many excellent long term ideas. I’m grateful to join your brainstorm, of strategies.
protecting the intelligence of our Allies seems super important. Other countries won’t want to coordinate with us after the prev trust breaking stuff.
TBone
Here’s looking at you, kids:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Tmey95lE-98
✊
schrodingers_cat
Fake narrative about inflation won. Congratulations MSM and for the gullible folks who fell for it.
Gin & Tonic
@MagdaInBlack: I’m seeing reports of targets 1,000 km inside russia under attack.
Ramona
@Gin & Tonic: great news! Does the software in the missiles permit that?
Gloria DryGarden
@TBone: im inviting you to exchange emails w me, via watergirl. If you wish.
MagdaInBlack
@schrodingers_cat: Well, I guess now some folks are gonna learn all about real inflation, aren’t they.
Ignorant fukrs.
p.a.
When Rethugs run a white, christo-fascist woman for pres, bet there’s no drop-off in her vote totals.
MagdaInBlack
@Gin & Tonic: Good. Hit them with everything
K-Mo
@TBone: 💙
Soprano2
@schrodingers_cat: I agree with this. They have no idea what TCFG’s tariffs are going to do to prices. Also, I think the Fed should have acted sooner to raise interest rates, I don’t know why they waited so long.
Mai Naem mobile
This is the first time I just really feel like throwing in the towel. I just don’t think this country is capable of getting past racism and misogyny. I talked to a friend last night. He said it came down to inflation, immigration and the trans stuff. We also agreed that a big part of this is people not understanding US civics and lack of critical thinking skills. I blame this partly on first gen immigrants and crappy charter schools. I don’t have a solution to this.
Chris Johnson
@Quinerly: I didn’t see any of that in any of the reality on the ground leading up to the election. I saw enormous massive crowds for Harris, and empty bitchy gatherings that left half way through, for Trump.
This was a Russian-style election, towards being ruled and lied to rather than being represented. You don’t get to take the results and generalize them to the populace when dictatorships are about managing expectations and propagandizing the populace… starting with convincing them that a small group of wolves are actually the whole flock of sheep.
People know Trump about as well as they know JESUS. They have no idea what they’re doing.
TBone
@Gloria DryGarden: I will gladly be your pen pal! I’ll write to WG to get your email address 😍✊
Mai Naem mobile
@MagdaInBlack: don’t worry it will all be blamed on Biden and the Dems. Any negative stuff happening in the next 2 years will be Biden’a fault and the MSM will meekly go along with that.
p.a.
They’ve had four fucking years of him on display. We are (#notallofus) 1) blithering idiots that can’t remember what happened yesterday, or blithering idiots that can be convinced what happened yesterday didn’t really happen; and 2) sexist idiots who won’t vote for a progressive woman for pres.
Gloria DryGarden
@PST: well this would have been a useful article if it had come out last year…
so now, the nyt will write something pos about Biden? Too little too late
Gloria DryGarden
@TBone: cool. I need to brainstorm, think through what I might do.
MagdaInBlack
@Mai Naem mobile: I think I’ve reached the “cynical laughter” phase, because I read that, laughed and said yup, thats just about right.
hueyplong
Trump could not have made it clearer what voting for him would mean. He was saying things that we wouldn’t have thought up if we were parodying him. There is very little that can happen now that is outside the realm of what was on the table when the country voted. He’s such a vile and damaged person that literally anything the Millers and Putins of the world put into his ear can in fact happen. Literally everyone who stopped him from doing something horrible is gone, to be replaced by people who have spent four years regretting the fact that those calamities were avoided the first time.
It kind of looks like they won’t be avoided this time.
My initial reaction is that my confidence entering yesterday was based on the pure extremity of everything Trump was saying on a daily basis, and the presumed horrified reaction of most of the electorate to such obscenities. Even after 2016, it was inconceivable that the purest agenda of the 27% could be ratified in the EC.
As for blame, I’ll go with every person and institution who normalized what is about to be a regime of active, aggressive evil. Asking those same people to act as gatekeepers over the next four years might be the most laughably inept hope imaginable.
I’m very worried for the many people who frequent this site and who were vulnerable before this happened. They’re targets now. The rest of us will just be collateral damage to one extent or another.
Gloria DryGarden
agree. I’m imagining learning cells, like book clubs, but for understanding how government and economy work. Improved awareness and understanding. Immigrants who become citizens often know more than born and raised here folks, because of studying for the citizenship test.
Ramalama
My question right now: Will those Trump supporters, who were thinking that we Kamala supporters went overboard in saying Trump’s gonna do a lot more shite now, gloves off, will those people do anything if Trump does show himself to be the monster he’s been telling us he is?
hueyplong
@Ramalama: I guess the first part of answering is to say that they just went out of their way to tell you they’re cool with it.
Michael Bersin
@Gloria DryGarden:
Amendment 3 (reproductive and abortion rights) in Missouri barely made it. Missourians for Constitutional Freedom (the umbrella committee) raised and spent $30 million. Several of the usual anti-choice groups raised much less, but they mobilized certain religious denominations. I was called a “baby killer” during a Fall parade in a small town to the west of us. That was a first for me. The Venn diagram with that and the protesters who called us child molesters from across the street from our annual pride festival in June is a perfect circle.
The hypocrisy of the anti-choice movement amazes me. “Yes, for me, because my reasons, and I’m special, but not for thee.” It’s a lack of empathy for other human beings.
They hate us all.
I didn’t witness a coordinated field operation of any consequence from anyone in Missouri this cycle. I did in 2008. Hence, the difference.
Amendment 3 passed (barely) in Missouri because of the $30 million.
Mowgli
@hueyplong: beautifully said.
We need to focus on protecting our families and communities (particularly the vulnerable ones) wherever possible.
Breathe and carry on, but we should not trade in false hopes that everything will be ok (I know this group knows better).
Mowgli
@Ramalama: you know the answer. They will blame liberals and LGBTQIA+ or anyone else they can scapegoat. Thats what they do.
K-Mo
@zhena gogolia: My main feeling right now is exhaustion with politics. My personal bent is much more towards promoting and cultivating competence and kindness for their own sake. Is befuddling and frustrating to me that these things aren’t universally valued and hence big political winners, but in my experience the majority of Americans are self-absorbed and small minded. We need a spiritual awakening.
Michael Bersin
@hueyplong:
“…As for blame, I’ll go with every person and institution who normalized what is about to be a regime of active, aggressive evil. Asking those same people to act as gatekeepers over the next four years might be the most laughably inept hope imaginable…”
Until last night I thought the atrocities would start as soon as today.
They won’t. They’ll start in January, slowly at first, and then escalate far too quickly for any effective reaction (other than self-preservation) from even the most attuned and observant.
Our institutions won’t save us. They haven’t yet, why would they now?
The talking heads on the cable network show with all the institutionalists who have been pulling fire alarms for months about the new Fascists are now composing hopeful paeans to comity this morning. Yeah, that’s easy when you have at least a seven figure income and your life ain’t gonna change one whit. It’s nauseating. God and the Constitution look after fools and marks, it’s their loved ones who suffer.
Chief Oshkosh
@Gvg: Yes, as Adam has been saying for years (to paraphrase): You may not be interested in the ongoing WWIII, but it is very interested in you.
Ramalama
@hueyplong:
@Mowgli:
Yeah. Someone who throws a lot of work my way is also a lesbo (like me) and not too long ago started railing against Drag Queens reading to kids in libraries.
< … >
Did not know how to combat that other than with a story about how I won a drag queen scholarship, because facts don’t matter.
Nope.
hueyplong
I just learned that Mark Robinson took 67% of the vote in the county where we live. Mark Robinson, a guy who had become so toxic that Trump wouldn’t say his name.
It’s enough to make you think that a Noah Cross speech in Chinatown captures the moment.
catclub
Didn’t they just tell us there is a huge Puerto Rican population in PA? wtf
YY_Sima Qian
@Chief Oshkosh: In this case, the “low intensity civil war & reactionary insurgency”.
catclub
@TBone: good on ya.
catclub
I am thinking about the saddest exchange in Democratic politics:
Adlai supporter: “All thinking people are behind you, Senator!”
Adlai Stevenson: “Thank you, but we need a majority.”
cmorenc
@GregB:
If you look at Biden’s approval ratings over his term, that is exactly the point they took a nosedive from mid-50s to low 40s. Trump & his secretary of state Mike Pompeo negotiated the agreement with the Taliban that put Biden in a difficult bind to either extend our Afghan mi$$ion indefinitely, or honor it with a high-risk messy withdrawal.
schrodingers_cat
@Ramona: हाल बेहाल है |
You can always email me
if you would like to connect.
frosty
@p.a.: It was Door #2
trnc
@Quinerly:
Maybe, but I really don’t think that would have made a difference. Kamala had a shorter campaign, but I think she did a great job getting out of the gate.
Yes, and I blame the media and, to some extent, the usual dem messaging deficit. Dems completely rolled over when the media blasted Biden on inflation. I saw no attempt to point out that inflation started under DT or that some of Biden’s spending had to make up for DT’s broken promise on infrastructure.
Quantum man
A message to the blog lords. From this day forward Please make it a policy to never again post any Pictures of the orange asshole. It is bad enough we have to live in his America. However there is no need to plague the readership with his pictured image.
Ramona
@schrodingers_cat: I searched “Schrodinger” on Twitter but couldn’t find you even though I am a follower and this link for email goes to 404 place. I’m ramona, a follower of your Twitter account. Try to DM me. I’ll try to find you on Twitter now.
Paul in KY
@Quinerly: She should have (in hindsight). We also never were able to concisely say: Prices have shot up because all the greedy companies are trying to get back all they lost in the pandemic.