House Democrats are ready to fight for you. pic.twitter.com/IQrUQbxA76
— DCCC (@dccc) November 21, 2024
As President of the United States, I formally apologize for the Federal Indian Boarding School era.
America learns from our history. pic.twitter.com/CR4AeNyIfV
— President Biden (@POTUS) November 21, 2024
Additionally, you've got my word that we will work with my successor's transition team to explain the urgency of recovery efforts in North Carolina – and urge them to stay there until the job is done.
— President Biden (@POTUS) November 21, 2024
Yesterday, I congratulated President Sheinbaum of Mexico on her recent election and reaffirmed the U.S.'s commitment to building a prosperous North America.
We will continue to address migration, transnational criminal violence, and economic issues from a place of cooperation. pic.twitter.com/EOAZwlfkyW
— President Biden (@POTUS) November 19, 2024
— Katherine Clark (@WhipKClark) November 20, 2024
Compare & contrast, healthcare edition:
Far too many people in rural areas have to drive for hours to the nearest hospital, or they don’t have reliable internet for telehealth.
On #RuralHealthDay, I am dedicated to ensuring that these communities get the healthcare resources that they need to lead healthy lives. pic.twitter.com/C4YA5KdVcV
— Robin Kelly (@RepRobinKelly) November 21, 2024
I haven’t heard rumors about Dr. Oz being a Russian asset, so I’m guessing he just wrote a seven-figure check directly to Donald Trump…
This new Hunger Games prequel sucks. https://t.co/QWbSgh7mFq
— Longtime Black Man Here (@groove_sdc) November 21, 2024
Remember during COVID when Dr. Oz said he’s ok with 2-3% of children dying so they can open schools pic.twitter.com/2DZyLuJ7mB
— Wu Tang is for the Children (@WUTangKids) November 19, 2024
Hamburgers got too expensive, so now we have to treat cancer with squid ink pills https://t.co/Fu9hIgDptB
— Scott Lemieux (@LemieuxLGM) November 19, 2024
On The Road – lashonharangue – Ngorongoro Crater 2 of 2
NotMax
Friday tuneage
“Got my motor runnin’ for a wild weekend.”
;)
rikyrah
Good Morning Everyone 😊 😊 😊
Baud
@rikyrah:
Good morning.
Barbara
My work requires me to be knowledgeable about things like the travails of rural hospitals, and although I will never say I don’t care about rural health access, any mental energy aimed at alleviating the problem is a complete waste of time because there is no receptive audience that is empowered to make things better. Those in charge would rather bellow about the problem than solve it.
Math Guy
Remember that the people telling us we should get our healthcare in 15 minute doses, accept a 3% mortality risk, or be ready to endure some economic hardship are talking about you; their wealth will keep them insulated from the effects of the policies they are pushing.
narya
@rikyrah: @Baud: Seeing you two in the morning thread always improves my morning; good morning to both of you.
RevRick
“Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.” H. L. Mencken
narya
@Math Guy: This should be in a commercial aired in February in every state TCFG won.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
The “Illness Industrial Complex”?
Well, given how our medical system is a complete clusterfuck, I hate to admit this but that’s a pretty apt description when standing alone and you bring in all the players like insurance, etc.
Of course in the context of this, it’ll be the label they use to segue into attempts to dismantle the ACA, Medicare, Medicaid, etc.
hrprogressive
@Math Guy:
Now, keep this in mind should H5N1 decide to blow up into a pandemic with a double-digit CFR while these Fascist thug clowns are in power.
mrmoshpotato
Time for John Oliver to do another episode on Supplement Boy.
mrmoshpotato
@Barbara:
You make it sound like some House members don’t give a damn about their rural constituents.
dmsilev
Morning, folks. Life has been …busy the last couple of weeks, culminating with the text from my dad yesterday morning “Hit by a truck. Lucky to be alive”. Fun times. Thankfully, truck was going slowly enough that it just knocked him over and he “just” needs a few screws inserted in one hip.
mrmoshpotato
@comrade scotts agenda of rage:
But I’ve been told my entire life that we’re the greatest country in the world!
mrmoshpotato
@dmsilev: Hope your dad has an uncomplicated recovery.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@mrmoshpotato:
Sure they care…they define “care” as maybe (on a good day) providing their rurl constituents bootstraps.
Cuz who needs hospitals, doctors, nurses, dentists and all that when you have bootstraps?
eclare
@dmsilev:
Oh my gosh! I hope your dad has surgery soon and is on the road to recovery.
mrmoshpotato
@comrade scotts agenda of rage: Ha! Yeah…
H.E.Wolf
@RevRick:
I’m more of an Abraham Davenport type.
“The day of judgment is either approaching, or it is not. If it is not, there is no cause for an adjournment; if it is, I choose to be found doing my duty. I wish therefore that candles may be brought.”
Toward which end, this week I ordered stamps for GOTV postcards. There’s a (judicial?) election in WI soon, and I want to be prepared.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Davenport
dmsilev
@mrmoshpotato: Thanks. Surgery is later today, and if it goes smoothly he should be able to go home tomorrow. Then I get to see if I can change my plane ticket to get there a few days earlier than planned. Not a great week for flexible travel arrangements….
Soprano2
Got this from TPM. I copied the whole thing because it’s pretty short. This goes along with my idea to take pictures of some prices right before the inauguration. Next time I hear someone talk about $1.50/gal gas, I’m going to remind them why it was like that. If we had $1.50/gal gas, we’d be in a depression.
schrodingers_cat
We could have had peace and prosperity for 4 more years but the media and their white liberal audience wanted excitement that boring old Joe Biden didn’t provide so here we are.
Congratulations! You got all the excitement you wished for and more.
Soprano2
@dmsilev: Good luck, I hope he does well and recovers quickly. You’ve had quite a bad fall, haven’t you?
Soprano2
@schrodingers_cat: I think the press wanted TCFG back. I think the voters want to go back to 2019. That’s what they think they voted for. We have to remind them every day that they aren’t getting that.
H.E.Wolf
More near-term: Good morning, all. And best wishes for good health and/or recovery (yikes, Dmsilev’s Dad!) to you and yours.
mrmoshpotato
@dmsilev:
The timing didn’t even occur to me.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@H.E.Wolf:
And I’d like to thank you (I think it was you) who suggested rollering my calves after running as a way to help mitigate the unusually nasty flare up of plantar fasciitis. It’s helped immensely.
dmsilev
@Soprano2: It’s had its ups and downs. My colleagues and I now start twitching uncontrollably when anyone says the phrase “chilled water”; that’s been a three month and counting “adventure” which hopefully has about only three or four more weeks to go before finally being over. Lot of more interesting work as well. And then …everything else.
Baud
@Barbara:
Agree. Libs shouldn’t waste mental energy. Rural people are adults.
@narya:
Good morning.
mrmoshpotato
OT – oh you jackasses with intentionally loud engines and mufflers…
Unabogie
Ugh, I hate to defend Mehmet Oz, who is a quack and a bad person and grifter, but I think he was talking about an increase in rate of overall mortality of 2%, so if the mortality rate of Covid was 2%, then it would increase to 2.04%. Which is still terrible and represents thousands of preventable deaths! But the pedant in me insists on correct information.
That said, he’s horribly unqualified and together with RFK, will kill a LOT of people if given the power to do so.
Rusty
@Barbara: I’m sure the Republican plan to kill $300B in ACA subsidies, along with Medicaid and Medicare cuts will do wonders for the finances of rural hospitals.
schrodingers_cat
@Baud: It is very hard for me to feel any sympathy for the chronically stupid.
Spanky
Well, the radar tells me the snow has crossed the Mason-Dixon Line and it’s advancing on Baltimore. Down here it’s sunny, but the clouds are advancing from the north.
Too warm (40) to snow, sadly, but we’ll have rain all afternoon and evening. We need it.
Nancy
@dmsilev:
Thinking of you and your dad. That is never, ever, a good message to get from anyone. Hope his recovery is as smooth as he thinks it will be.
Ben Cisco
Good morning!
@schrodingers_cat: @Soprano2: They’re both going to get what they voted for, good and hard.
schrodingers_cat
@Unabogie: The proposed head of the NIH is also a COVID truther and a Modi loving contrarian.
Gloria DryGarden
@dmsilev: that hip thing can be a big deal, if they don’t put it together soon enough.
my dad was a great minimized, too. Good luck. Yikes
Starfish (she/her)
@mrmoshpotato: There are so many supplement boys out there now. There are tutorials on how to run your own supplement boy grift.
lowtechcyclist
@schrodingers_cat:
So you’re saying that it was white liberals who get their news from CNN, the FTFNYT, etc. (as distinct from the newsmakers they’d see when they were watching CNN) who pushed for Biden to step aside.
Gotta admit, I’m curious as to what evidence you have of this.
H.E.Wolf
@schrodingers_cat:
As an alternative to mainstream media for news [sic], I’m partial to Electoral-Vote.com – two bloggers who write up the previous day’s news on M-F and do a Q&A on Sat. They usually publish the daily blog post at ~ 6 AM West Coast Time.
Today’s Electoral-Vote.com post leads off with good news, so I recommend it. :)
(I prefer the Tues/Wed/Fri blogger, because he’s a history professor and takes a wider view.)
schrodingers_cat
@Ben Cisco: The US has dominated the world since WWII and as a result many privileged people in this country have lost the basic survival instinct that every living being has. Voting for Trump is an own goal of epic proportions.
Its not just the MAGAs I am talking about.
H.E.Wolf
@comrade scotts agenda of rage:
I can’t remember if it was me or not, but thank you for the kind words… and for the reminder to do that myself! My plantar fascia are grateful to you.
schrodingers_cat
@H.E.Wolf: Thanks I will check them out.
Michael Bersin
On Wednesday and Thursday around noon I was on the Quad with my protest sign. Cold and Windy. Mostly positive responses.
Practical Dissent: it’s the weather, and a lot more
People like to learn that they’re not alone.
I’ll be there today at noon – with a new sign: “Kakistocracy, Part II”
narya
@dmsilev: Dang! Hope it’s a quick and uncomplicated recovery!
mrmoshpotato
@Unabogie: Right. Still deplorable.
From NYT article
Dr. Oz Faces Backlash After Saying Schools Could Reopen
cmorenc
@mrmoshpotato:
Oh, but they do care about those among their constituents who own car dealerships and contribute to their campaign, or a pulpit to preach the moral importance of electing Republicans instead of immoral Democrats.
p.a.
The psychological benefits the MAGAts get from Rethug pols threatening this election cycle’s targets makes up for the decimation of rural healthcare by providing at least a few milliseconds of extra life for them before they meet Free Market Jeebus.
lowtechcyclist
@Spanky:
Yeah, no way it’s gonna snow here, but maybe I ought to get out there and mulch the fallen leaves this morning before they all get drenched again. (The rain gauge said we got just shy of an inch Wednesday night.)
Michael Bersin
@mrmoshpotato:
“….You make it sound like some House members don’t give a damn about their rural constituents….”
Well, there are their constituents who don’t live in their districts. They do care about those.
TBone
A wonderful personal memory of PA Senator Bob Casey is recounted. He conceded today 😭
https://crooksandliars.com/2024/11/sen-bob-casey-concedes-connecticut-hedge
The memory in☝️ highlights what I love most about him!
Fuck that carpetbagger vulture fund imposter McCormick 🤬
H.E.Wolf
…and teeny-tiny penises, poor things.
I have fond memories of the “Car Talk” radio show guys* dubbing the latest giant Ford truck “The Compensatah” in their Boston accents.
* “Don’t drive like my brothah!” “Don’t drive like MY brothah!” at the close of each episode.
LAC
@Ben Cisco: They so are.
And what the fuck was soooooo special about 2019? The year of K Pop? We are going just keep making lame excuses for these people’?
Gloria DryGarden
From the last thread
joe Biden is still president for another 59 days. Can’t we have a thread to notice what’s going on in his administration? Can’t we enjoy it?
i don’t mind being alerted, or prepared for a bunch of worst case scenarios. I just don’t see the point inONLY chatting about intense fears, angst, worries and clearly naming each piece of the unfurling shit show. That’s what main stream news does, it tries to break peoples hearts, get attention, or clicks, keep people hooked on negative emotions.
Yes we have to talk about the darkness. It doesn’t have to be so unrelenting.
The nervous system needs a break . And Biden deserves some good reporting, even if it’s just on this blog.
eclare
@H.E.Wolf:
Hahaha…I loved that show and their accents.
p.a.
@H.E.Wolf: I remember Dave Barry dubbing the latest GM suv abomination “The Chevy Subdivision.”
mrmoshpotato
@H.E.Wolf: Hahaha!
RevRick
@H.E.Wolf: This sounds like a variation of the apocryphal quote of Martin Luther: “If I knew the world would end tomorrow, I would still plant an apple tree today.”
narya
@H.E.Wolf: Their list of the worst 10 cars of all time had me with tears of laughter rolling down my face.
Soprano2
QFT. I feel kind of resigned in a way. I want to fight back, but I also feel that the only way for these people to learn at this point is for them to get what they voted for.
Gloria DryGarden
From the last open thread:
A friend just sent me this poem by a fourth grader. Knocked my socks off. Don’t have the child’s name.
“I am done with watching the world burn
Life, help me to Live
all I want is to run in the
Wild
the way I did when I was
not afraid.
Lucy,
Wild lynx, say it:
I am not afraid“
TBone
@mrmoshpotato: 👍
Soprano2
@H.E.Wolf: I miss those guys, we listened to them every week. I liked that they weren’t beholden to anyone except themselves, so they could tell the truth about cars.
Omnes Omnibus
@H.E.Wolf: The good side of the Puritans.
Soprano2
@LAC: I guess a better way to say it is that people voted to go back before all the Covid disruptions.
TBone
I’m already subjected to getting my health “care” in fifteen minute doses. Nobody with an actual M.D. after their name spends more time than that with patients in my locale. If you want face time, you get a physician assistant or nurse, and they don’t spend longer than 15 minutes on average, either.
It is not, however, in a festival-like setting.
mrmoshpotato
@Gloria DryGarden:
I take it you don’t watch CNN or MSNBC! :)
Good for you and your mental health. (Seriously.)
dm
Re: “hamburger was too expensive… squid ink pills”:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2024/11/22/ground-beef-recalled-e-coli-wolverine/
Ground-beef recall.
Plus Dr. Oz will have trouble finding carrots for his crudites:
https://www.fda.gov/food/outbreaks-foodborne-illness/outbreak-investigation-e-coli-o121h19-organic-carrots-november-2024
Soprano2
@TBone: I’ve actually found that a couple of my husband’s PA’s are better than the doctors! More practical and more straightforward about things.
Omnes Omnibus
@Soprano2: Time doesn’t work that way! GACK!!!!
TBone
@Gloria DryGarden: lynx is my totem. Thank you for sharing.
mrmoshpotato
@schrodingers_cat:
Tell me about the trees voting. Who did the tulips elect as their leader?
TBone
@Soprano2: when I first suffered the Covid multi-system inflammation (blew up like a balloon overnight), the nonchalant nurse told me to take water pills (diuretics). Fuck her. Staying hydrated is still a serious problem for me to this day.
ETA manners! I’m GLAD your experience is better than mine!
Soprano2
@Omnes Omnibus: Well I know that, and you know that, but I think a lot of the voters think they can somehow will that to happen. How else can you explain how people can remember $1.50/gal gas but can’t remember why it was so cheap?
RevRick
@Soprano2: Josh Marshall does solid, thoughtful work.
Omnes Omnibus
@mrmoshpotato: The trees are an anarcho-syndicalist collective. The tulips elected Bob.
Omnes Omnibus
@Soprano2: I’ve found beating my head against a wall to be particularly effective.
Jeffg166
I liked that President Sheinbaum has told the felon if he starts to deport people to Mexico there are 2 million Americans living in Mexico she will deport.
TBone
I once had an experience with magic mushrooms and a tree, and science has finally caught up to me.
https://www.thenakedscientists.com/articles/interviews/how-trees-talk-each-other
RevRick
@H.E.Wolf: Also, Stamford Connecticut is my hometown.
@Omnes Omnibus: The Puritans were a lot of things, but because they are held in such contempt, we forget that most progressive impulses in America began with them. For instance, the Massachusetts Bay Colony passed a law criminalizing spousal abuse in 1639.
mrmoshpotato
@Soprano2:
Selective memory.
TBone
@RevRick: my ancestors!
You have inspired me to take the next thing or book out of my Ancestors Treasure Box today.
Anticipation 💜
If it’s great, I will share/report.
My first foray into said bin revealed a 1902 book of Robert G. Ingersoll lectures.
Omnes Omnibus
@RevRick: I am very much aware. A lot of what we blame on Puritans tend to be the Victorians fault when you get right down to it.
FWIW I have ancestors hanged as witches in both MA and CT. On the MA side, I also have accusers, ministers, and judges from the 1692 witch trials.
ArchTeryx
My mother’s a member of this cult. She was a big fan of “Dr.” Oz until he was outed as an outright fascist. Despite being in her 80s, having her idols turn out to be fascists is a bridge too far. She’s firmly on the D side. (She lives in Michigan).
And now the Cult of Woo is going to not only be inflicted on the rest of us, but is going to be used as the tip of the spear to attack every health program we have.
What would COVID had been like if the Rs had been successful, in 2017, in repealing the ACA and destroying Medicaid? They intended to block-grant Medicaid so Grandma wouldn’t be thrown out of her nursing home, but the poor would be 100% left out to rot. And that was before COVID came.
10,000,000 new people without health insurance, and we get hit by COVID. That would have turned a disaster into a catastrophe. That’s what they want for us.
schrodingers_cat
@mrmoshpotato: ?
Its like Hoover being reelected 4 years after FDR’s first term. And Hoover was not an indicted criminal with credible accusations of sexual assault. Neither was he a moron.
zhena gogolia
@Gloria DryGarden: Thanks.
TBone
https://crooksandliars.com/2024/11/urge-biden-do-all-he-can-get-era-published
Gloria DryGarden
@TBone: i love how science is catching up. I wasn’t even high.
The trees, baby, the trees and the miles of mycelium..
I’ve had people quote bible at me and tell me I can’t talk to my planties, they aren’t sentient.
bosh¡!
cain
@Soprano2:
Yep. Still should fight for Congress and statehouses but I think we should let the GOP have the presidency since apparently Americans don’t have any basic civic sense in economy, govt, and education.
It’s gonna suck but we waste too much time and energy on the presidency and people seem to think that solving problems is an EO away.
cmorenc
@ArchTeryx:
What wealthy Republicans want is to be free from the burden of being taxed to help support benefitting anyone other than themselves personally. Because they are the makers and they resent their productivity being burdened by the takers. I’ve heard this from various amond them for decades.
Gloria DryGarden
@mrmoshpotato: what have I missed?
mrmoshpotato
@schrodingers_cat:
And apparently this is… voting? 🤨
schrodingers_cat
@mrmoshpotato: Yes voting for an arsonist shows the lack of survival instinct. YMMV.
Gloria DryGarden
@mrmoshpotato:
oh blessed questions calling my potential deep breaths
HinTN
@dm: I bought some of these from Kroger. Thankfully, they remained unopened (at least the latest bag). I got a recall notice on my receipt (how many people read those???) and got them replaced.
It’s going to be a mess.
mrmoshpotato
@Gloria DryGarden: Oh, just idiots flapping their jaws about the oncoming shitshow that they helped make a reality. You’re not missing out on anything of value.
ArchTeryx
@cmorenc: The trouble is, COVID doesn’t distinguish between “makers” and “takers” like they think it does. Poor people made excellent vectors to throw the virus into the rest of the population, and even billionaires were getting sick with it. (None died, more’s the pity). However, Medicaid wasn’t cut, it was EXPANDED to try and slow the spread, and help us come out of it faster. It worked, and probably saved a lot of lives Trump had left out to die.
HinTN
@Jeffg166: Dayum !!! Good on her.
Gloria DryGarden
@mrmoshpotato: well, people have been flapping here about the shut show, the creep is not yet even president.
i want some attention on the present. Might as well enjoy it while we can.
Almost Retired
Re rural health care and its role in this election: We were in Montana for a week in September. The sheer volume of Senate campaign commercials was so overwhelming that I felt sorry for the car dealers trying to squeeze in an ad.
Tester ran ads highlighting statements made by Sheehy about “privatizing” Medicare, eliminating ACA subsidies, etc. The ad argued that Sheehy’s positions would severely damage an already strained rural healthcare system.
Local media jumped on this, labeling Tester’s claims “mostly false.” Sheehy, they said, did not propose to “eliminate” Medicare. True enough, but Tester was essentially promoting limiting Medicare to the Part C private insurance option, which kinda sorta sounds like privatization to me. But why bother with that level of nuance when you can shit on a Democrat and exaggerate and misrepresent Tester’s claim.
And then the media helpfully reminded us that the ultra-rich carpetbagger Sheehy used some of his own money to prop up a rural hospital and health care clinic somewhere somehow once. People across much of Whitefish could hear me shrieking and howling at the television.
narya
@Omnes Omnibus: There’s an old collection of John Sayles’ short stories called “At the Anarchists’ Convention” (or something similar); that particular story reminded me of the anarchist picnics I attended as a kid, but the whole collection is quite good. Highly recommend, if you’re looking for diversion.
Omnes Omnibus
@cain: I do agree that there is too much focus on the presidency and the presidency alone on our side. Part of the reason the GOP has had its successes over the past 50 years is because it put real effort into state and local elections. A lot happens at those levels. I don’t agree that we should let them have the presidency though. Fuck that noise.
mrmoshpotato
@Gloria DryGarden: We’re in the same boat on that.
I think I need a news detox. Sadly, that would mean not watching late night shows too.
Jackie
@schrodingers_cat:
Who is “you”?
Another Scott
@dmsilev: Tell your colleagues that 3-4 months is blindingly fast. A little bird told me of a place where chilled water plant and facility plumbing issues have been ongoing for a decade or so…
Good luck to your pops, and with the travel stuff. Hang in there.
Best wishes,
Scott.
schrodingers_cat
@Jackie:. People who wanted Joe Biden to step down because of the polling and his debate performance.
After people who voted for Trump
Voted third party
Or stayed at home.
Our toxic media
The Biden is too old crowd, has a stutter on our side is to blame for this debacle. They shit on all his achievements instead of celebrating his successes. They took the bait the media was dangling in front of them on the behalf of Republicans and Trump.
Elizabelle
@schrodingers_cat:
I have to agree. It is sickening. Of course, also the problem of the rightwing media consumers who “think” Democrats are Satan Incarnate.
mrmoshpotato
@narya:
Do you remember how organized they were?
Ben Cisco
@LAC: They chose Barabbus – the rest does not matter.
Kosh III
@RevRick: we forget that most progressive impulses in America began with them.
And they fought and nearly exterminated a society in the Pequot War 1636. Love one another, right?
TBone
@TBone: I just emailed the White House using the ERA Coalition script at their link AND adding in my own, thanking the best president of my lifetime for everything he’s accomplished. It took a moment.
(They also provide a link to send email or text, as well as the necessary phone numbers.)
ArchTeryx
@Almost Retired: Just another of a million examples that the media is wired for Republicans. The truth is dismissed as false, and falsities are elevated as truth if it helps the (R) candidate.
Omnes Omnibus
@Kosh III: Multiple things may be true at the same time. People are complicated.
Baud
@Omnes Omnibus:
I’m pretty simple.
Omnes Omnibus
@Baud: One wonders whether you are people though.
Kosh III
Dr Oz saying the uninsured can have “access” to healthcare means you can get it IF you can pay for it and IF you meet the rules of whatever malignant company(Blue Cross, Cigna etc) will deign to allow you to apply.
Remember: Republican health care is get sick and die.
moonbat
@Kosh III: You could also see them as the forerunners of the prosperity Chrisitanists of today with their concept of only the ‘elect’ getting into heaven.
And the way you knew who the ‘elect’ were was by how rich they were, of course. Very progressive. /s
mrmoshpotato
@Omnes Omnibus:
Baud definitely not a pants-wearing people. That much is certain.
Ben Cisco
@Soprano2: Same. I’m occupied with looking out for my mom, my girlfriend, and myself. These clowns are gunning for Medicare, ACA, and VA benefits. My plate is FULL and I don’t have time, energy, or patience required to deal with willfully uninformed/misinformed/disinformed/racist/misogynist people.
ETA: I don’t care how they got there; they got there and have enabled a threat to me and mine. FULL STOP.
narya
@mrmoshpotato: I sorta do! This guy was one of the people who was there. And when my grandfather died, a different man gave my parents an inscribed copy of a biography of Emma Goldman; it turns out that Goldman got that guy out of jail at one point. It touched me, because it made it clear that my grandfather had talked about me to the man.
Mr. Bemused Senior
@narya: [the Anarchists Convention]
I love that story! There’s a great Selected Shorts reading by Jerry Stiller.
“Mind the shuttles!”
Baud
@Omnes Omnibus:
My captcha success rate is over 50%.
narya
@Mr. Bemused Senior: :-) Sayles has a special place in my heart. No matter the medium–film, novels, short stories–he’s a master of good stories, well-told, which is my criterion for those media.
RevRick
@Kosh III: The causes of this war are complex and hard to sort out. In part, it was due to growing encroachment on Wampanoag territory by the British settlers of Plymouth Colony to which the Wampanoag responded with raids. The outward trigger was the hanging of three Wampanoags for the murder of another. This triggered more raids on settlements by the various native tribes, and that in turn led to the states calling out their militias to violently suppress them. It quickly became a mutually genocidal war, with the near extermination of the native populations and an estimated 15% death toll amongst the white settlers.
H.E.Wolf
@RevRick:
You and Councilman Davenport would likely have appreciated one another. Than which is no higher compliment.
Geminid
@Gloria DryGarden: My late friend Chris told me about a couple of friends who were getting some pre-marital counseling from Chris’s Uncle Ickie. Uncle Ickie was an older preacher in a fundamentalist Black church.
So John, Donna Ray and Uncle Ickie were about to start a prayer for the prospective marriage when Donna Ray’s cat jumped into her lap.
Donna Ray: “Aww. Skippy wants to pray too.”
Uncle Ickie: “Cat ain’t got no soul. Says so in the Bible.”.
rikyrah
@dmsilev:
Prayers for your father and his healing.
schrodingers_cat
@Ben Cisco: Cosigned.
schrodingers_cat
@dmsilev: I hope you are able to visit and he gets well soon.
BTW what dessert are you making? I know you try to top yourself every year.
Gloria DryGarden
@ArchTeryx: the media is owned by republicans, isn’t it? They set out to own and control it decades ago.
frosty
@lowtechcyclist: @Spanky: We’ve been getting snow just north of the Mason-Dixon line all morning. More like lots of flakes than a snowstorm though, which is fine with me. Makes it a good day to stay inside (and maybe cook) but not enough that I have to get the snow shovels out.
frosty
Seconded.
H.E.Wolf
Okay, gotta run. Time to assemble the motley collection of objects I’ve stacked up for Homemade Exercise Session, and meet one of my siblings on Zoom for hilarity and our weekly strength-and-resistance training. We’ve progressed from 5 min. when we first started this, to 40.
May we all incrementally increase our strength and resistance, and still find room for hilarity. Happy Friday to you all!
Mr. Bemused Senior
@Geminid: hey there Geminid, I sent you an email.
artem1s
not to mention Memaw and Papaw’s retirement home. Where do the MAGAt’s think the payments for staying in those places comes from?
rikyrah
@Jeffg166:
CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP
frosty
@mrmoshpotato: I don’t know who the tulips elected as a leader but I’m sure it was Dutch. First they came and cut all of our doors in half … (h/t National Lampoon – Americans United to Beat the Dutch).
ETA @Omnes Omnibus: Thought provoking …
Realworldrj
Rightwing motherfuckers yelled and jeered Michelle Obama when she suggested that kids should eat healthier but they are going to cheer like crazy when Oz turns Medicare into a giant Jillian 6 minute ab circus show on TV featuring the poors
RevRick
@moonbat: While Puritans and their successors, and white Evangelicals both claim to be Calvinists, the latter made a deal with the devil in their gradual transformation from grudging tolerance to full-throated defense of the institution of slavery.
The Puritan/Congregationalists and their cousins the Presbyterians and Unitarians were in the forefront of the Abolitionist movement. And before that they were in the forefront of the anti tribal removal campaign.
First anti slavery sermon: Samuel Sewell, 1700. First African American ordained in the ministry: Lemuel Haynes, 1785. First woman ordained: Antoinette Brown, 1853. First openly gay man ordained: Bill Johnson, 1980. Advocating a woman’s right to choose, 1971.
Nobody and no group is pure and blameless. We all have blood on our hands. If we put anyone’s life and ancestors under a microscope, we’d always find a ton of shittiness somewhere. So, before you go pointing your finger, tell me about where the shittiness lies in your family/ethnic/religious tree.
Gloria DryGarden
@frosty: Turkish, or Persian, no doubt..
Soprano2
@rikyrah: TCFG’s people talk about the remain in Mexico policy as if Mexico has no say in it! They seem to think they can just impose that on Mexico.
Omnes Omnibus
@RevRick: Literacy and education. Since salvation was individual, people had to be able to read the Bible and understand it. This broadened into a sense of the importance of education in general.
brooklyndodger
@Gloria DryGarden: Delurking to say thank you for posting this. Don’t have a printer, so writing it down, the better to preserve. ;-)
RevRick
@Omnes Omnibus: Every family tree is composed of victims, persecutors, and rescuers.
I have a Hungarian Jewish grandmother and the other three are descendants of Germans and Slavs. No love lost between any of them.
RevRick
@Omnes Omnibus: The first three structures erected in a New England town were often a meetinghouse, a school, and a brewery.
Miss Bianca
@RevRick: to say nothing of free public education, a respect for learning…yeah, the Puritans get a bad rap. Much of it deserved, but some of their actual virtues could be better appreciated nowadays.
Aziz, light!
@Jeffg166:
He doesn’t care what happens to Americans.
KatKapCC
“a festival-like setting”
oh just fucking kill me now
RevRick
@Miss Bianca: The Puritans are the Joe Biden of American religious culture.
lowtechcyclist
@schrodingers_cat:
Ah yes, the white liberals watching CNN and reading the FTFNYT somehow made this happen. Did they deluge their Congresscritters with calls and letters? Or was it some mass group overmind sort of thing? I’m trying to come up with cause and effect here.
satby
@Aziz, light!: he doesn’t, but they and their families do. 2 million expatriates who moved to Mexico to live a more luxurious lifestyle than they can afford here (ocean views, servants) will be major league pissed off. Add in the threatened cuts to social security, which will piss off non-expatriates too.
Omnes Omnibus
@RevRick: @Miss Bianca: Maybe we need to form a Puritan Rehabilitation Society.
Almost Retired
@Omnes Omnibus: I’m in. They had great hats.
Omnes Omnibus
@Almost Retired: Hats? Hats are what does it for you?
Kathleen
@LAC: Alas, we are. The fact we keep seeing code words “economic anxiety” and “Dems are bad at messaging (subtext: “But what about the white people?”) year after year after year. Lee Atwater should be proud.
gene108
Rural people don’t want easy healthcare access. If they did, they wouldn’t keep voting for Republicans.
RevRick
@Omnes Omnibus: You are preaching to the choir here.
The Truffle
All this is great but…
Dems need their own Contract with America. Where is our Newt Gingrich?
Another Scott
@The Truffle:
David Brin tried writing one in 2006.
(I haven’t read it carefully.)
HTH!
Best wishes,
Scott.
dnfree
@schrodingers_cat: Sorry, but I am really tired of being accused of being “to blame for this debacle” because I “shit on all his achievements instead of celebrating his successes”.
I didn’t take “the bait the media was dangling…on behalf of Republicans and Trump”.
I observed the debate and surrounding information about Biden’s demeanor and appearance in the context of the existing Republican memes, true. I also nevertheless celebrated and recognized Biden’s successes. I just didn’t think based on existing facts that he could win the election, and I also doubted he had another four years in him. I also had nothing whatever to do with making the decisions that were made. No one was consulting me.
Accusing those ON THE SAME SIDE AS YOU, who looked at the same situation you saw, of being gullible victims of Republicans, Trump, and the media, because they reached different conclusions than you did is counterproductive to working together.
VFX Lurker
Yup. I’m battening down the hatches here like Ben Cisco and others upthread.
Thank you for flushing out pie-able folks I had missed. Hit dogs will holler, and boy, do they holler.
Omnes Omnibus
@dnfree: As a straight white male, I get told “if it’s not about you, it’s not about you.” And it’s good advice. I don’t get mad when people say that white dudes vote GOP. By and large, they do. I don’t, so I know I am not among the people being complained about. s_c clearly thinks that the events of July hurt our chances. I can’t say she’s not right. But she certainly has every right to make her opinion on the topic clear.
glc
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/11/21/statement-from-president-joe-biden-on-warrants-issued-by-the-international-criminal-court/
dnfree
@Omnes Omnibus:
Schrodinger’s cat has every right to make her opinion clear, I agree. I disagree with her imputation of motive to those who don’t agree with her, and I’m making that clear. This was a very difficult situation and the people who actually made the call had more information than either she or I do, and they didn’t agree either. It’s possible to look at the same information and draw different conclusions. I’m not at all impugning her right to conclude differently from me, and I can understand her reasons.