Rudy Giuliani Melts Down In Court: ‘I Have No Cash’ talkingpointsmemo.com/morning-memo… via @TPM
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm.bsky.social) November 27, 2024 at 10:26 AM
David Kurtz, at TPM:
I hope it goes down as more than a footnote to history that the most substantive accountability any higher-up in Trump World received for their roles in trying to subvert the 2020 election was imposed by two Black women, the election workers Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss, whose $148 million defamation judgment against Rudy Giuliani offers the only genuine taste of schadenfreude from the coup attempt.
Giuliani was back in federal court yesterday, where, as the NYT put it, he lost his lawyers and his temper. In addition to getting smacked around by a federal judge for his courtroom outburst, Giuliani was taken to task once again for his dilatory efforts to surrender assets to Freeman and Moss to satisfy their enormous judgment against him for lying about them trying to commit election fraud during the 2020 vote count.
With his original lawyers allowed to withdraw from the case, having cited an unspecified dispute over “professional ethics,” it was left to Giuliani’s new lawyer to shut his client up in front of the judge, to no avail. The judge warned that Giuliani, himself now disbarred in New York and D.C., would face sanction for any further outbursts.
The judge refused to delay a trial set for January over the disposition of some of Giuliani’s assets, a delay Giuliani has sought so he could attend Donald Trump’s second inauguration. The irony of course is that Giuliani got himself in this mess while representing Trump, who failed to pay him. Giuliani’s claims against the Trump campaign for unpaid bills is one of the assets he’s having to surrender…
Maybe don’t defame innocent people and maliciously try to ruin their lives for your own political ends ????? https://t.co/dBupSSZh74
— Lauren Windsor (@lawindsor) November 27, 2024
Per Politico, “Rudy Giuliani has lost his apartment and his car. Now he’s losing his temper”:
… Cutting off Giuliani’s outburst, Liman threatened the former New York City mayor. “I permitted Mr. Giuliani to speak. Next time, I will not permit him to speak and the court will have to take action,” he said. As the judge admonished him, Giuliani banged lightly on the table with a pen, shaking his head.
Liman previously threatened to hold GIuliani in contempt after he missed a court-imposed deadline to turn over assets to the women.
Giuliani’s eruption Tuesday came after Liman — who described Giuliani as a “competent person,” noting that he was previously the Manhattan U.S. Attorney — questioned why Giuliani hadn’t yet handed over the title to a vintage Mercedes-Benz convertible that he was ordered to surrender to Freeman and Moss. Giuliani turned over the car, watches and a ring to the women earlier this month and is in the process of turning over his New York City apartment.
Freeman and Moss won the verdict last year after Giuliani falsely accused them of committing election fraud in the 2020 election.
Earlier in the proceeding, Liman refused Giuliani’s request to delay the date of a trial, set to begin Jan. 16, over whether Giuliani has tried to shield his Palm Beach condo from creditors by falsely claiming it as his “homestead.” Giuliani asked for the delay in order to attend President-elect Donald Trump’s inauguration on Jan. 20…
Giuliani’s latest clash in court came as Freeman and Moss have also asked a different federal judge to hold him in contempt for repeating false claims like those that led to the defamation judgment against him. That judge, U.S. District Judge Beryl Howell, has ordered Giuliani to come to court for a hearing over the contempt motion on Dec. 12.
Speaking to reporters in the hallway outside the courtroom on Tuesday, Giuliani continued his tirade about Liman, calling him an “activist Democrat.”
Liman is a Trump appointee…
Rudy must know some guys in New York City who can help out a guy who’s in a tight money situation and can’t get a loan from the bank https://t.co/UI1jDpKOYY
— The Great El Wokismo (@canderaid) November 26, 2024
Rudy Giuliani became irate today when the judge refused to pull his finger
— Domestic Enemy Hat (@kenwhite.bsky.social) November 26, 2024 at 8:58 PM
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Martin
Rudy Giuliani about to find out how the courts treat poor people.
Keith P.
I would pay Rudy $100 in cash if he would play an accordion on video for just 10 seconds.
J. Arthur Crank
Christ, what an asshole! If he is going to be an asshole, he might as well be a broke asshole.
Martin
@Keith P.: That is totally a thing you can do.
JoyceH
When I saw this story the other day, I thought he can’t be destitute, all those years in the government he’s bound to have a decentish pension. Not up to his recent lifestyle of course, but enough to provide a comfortable middle class existence.
So I googled it and guys? He’s got no pension, none. Was an article about a year ago with Rudy saying now he wished he’d put in for a pension as mayor but didn’t know how! Further on the article noted that he also had no pension for his years in the US Attorney’s office, which I find incredible. Mayor I can kind of see – once you make mayor of NYC I think you can be assured that you’ve safely boarded the book deal, corporate board, and speaker circuit gravy train. But surely in the US Att office very early on, someone from HR would show up in your office with a stack of papers and not let you leave until you’d filled out the forms for your pension withholdings.
Still. NO pensions. Everyone around Trump is a financial genius, aren’t they?
KatKapCC
Well well well, if it isn’t the consequences of your own actions.
West of the Rockies
What a ludicrous, disgraceful denouement for this buffoon. Spitting, salivating, hyperventilating, and oozing two-bit hair dye…
Jay
@JoyceH:
Keep in mind, that at every step of this Court Case, Rudy has lied his ass off.
Jay
@Keith P.:
His asking price on Cameo is $325.
West of the Rockies
OT, does anyone else just get utterly overdone after hours of family and acquaintances in the house? Everyone talking over each other and a crazed four-year-old screaming, squealing, and causing chaos… I had to step outside to chill out.
karen marie
@JoyceH: Where was he getting the $43K/month?
Chetan Murthy
@JoyceH: I’m sure he’s lying. There’s a Vanity Fair article I can’t read (paywall), but the snippet that Google Search throws up is:
What I mean is: we shouldn’t believe this man’s statement that he’s broke, b/c that’s a statement that is in his own interest. If there is other corroborating evidence for such statements, sure, maybe we can believe it. But his word? That’s worth the same as the pigeon droppings that just missed hitting your shoulder as you crossed the street. Maybe less.
Jay
@Chetan Murthy:
Pigeon droppings landing on you are supposed to be good luck.
ascap_scab
All your base are belong to us!
Jay
@Chetan Murthy:
No Subscription required.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2008/01/giuliani200801?srsltid=AfmBOooHElw1ZTj_wx4gCNxLhMY3RFfiMSff60Gn133fm3JocKqzd_Gy
Dangerman
America’s Maynure.
Ruckus
@Keith P.:
He’d have to pay me $5,000.00 to watch or listen to him play.
@J. Arthur Crank:
“Christ what an asshole!”
First, I agree, second, Christ, what an asshole!
Ruckus
@Dangerman:
Good one!
Ruckus
@JoyceH:
Everyone around Trump is a financial genius, aren’t they?
I’d say, not really likely.
Or most likely not any kind of genius whatsoever.
karen marie
I guess my update didn’t take. I thought he had $43k/month income. That was what he claimed as his monthly expenses.
Martin
@Chetan Murthy: So, you can be owed a pension, but not apply for it. I’m in that state now because my pension is worth more when I turn 60, so I’m waiting until I turn 60.
Now, how a lawyer can’t figure out how to apply for their pension is beyond me – I’m guessing he’s just lying about that until the judge stops looking at him and then he’ll turn it on.
I think the legal way to look at it – The University of California owes me $x. But that money is held with them, not me. At what point can that be garnished? What if I never apply for it? Can the court force me to do that? Can they say I owe that amount even though I haven’t applied?
Ruckus
@Jay:
Not in my world.
piratedan
USPS: Delivered – One Dildo of Consequences
Martin
@karen marie: Oh, those are totally different things. I have about 5x more expenses than income because I’m living off of investments.
If I have $1000 in expenses, I can cash out $1000 in investments, but if $800 of that $1000 was money I put in, I really only have $200 in income. And I have enormous discretion in terms of controlling that number. I can make that $200,000 by 8AM of the next business day. I can also make it $0 and still be able to pay my bills.
NotMax
Rudy is screwedy.
like a metaphor
and coming ungluedy
Bruce K in ATH-GR
@KatKapCC: I think this what the youngsters these days are talking about when they mention “the Find Out phase”.
Ryan
J.G. Wentworth Commercial – Viking Opera
877-CASH-NOW
bjacques
@Martin: I would figure that, since Rudy hasn’t coughed up anything close to what he owes, the lawyers for Freeman and Moss would be highly motivated to check in on him from time to time.
Martin
@bjacques: Yeah. I’m curious how that works now, though. Like, if I wanted to be an asshole, could I just deny my pension in order to fuck them over? Because Rudy would do that.
WereBear
I have to say NY created these monsters… and also, is doing their legal best to destroy them. AG Leticia James did in the NRA, too.
You’re welcome. Your state AG is supposed to do stuff like that. But not in the red states, where they often are first in line for their cut of the action.
Jay
@Martin:
Hard to say, depending on the State and the rules, “your pension funds” are “your pension funds”, while part of a “pool” are allocated to “you”.
I know that here, “your pension funds” can be garnished.
I also know that in Delaware, (ask me how I know), “your” pension funds can be rolled out of entity A, to entity B, classed as a liability to Creditors and disappear.
Martin
@Jay: Yeah, but I can’t access them until I apply for them. Can the court access them when I can’t? I didn’t think that’s how that worked. It doesn’t seem as though any other government entity acknowledges their existence. It doesn’t think that’s an asset I have (I have a cash-out option). From the perspective of me, as a target of the IRS, it seems like they don’t exist until I apply for them, even though you’re correct, the pension fund does owe it to me.
Jay
@Martin:
Depends on the State, Delaware can.
Martin
@Jay: Interesting. It’s a situation I’d never considered and thought through. I have to imagine there are some people that learn they had a pension through that process.
NotMax
@Jay
Believe in any case, if it’s a state government or in-state municipal pension a court can stay the payments to the recipient and order them deposited into an escrow account while stuff is sorted out.
Obligatory IANAL.
Shalimar
@JoyceH: He definitely had pensions. Whether he’s just lying, or he lost the income from them in his various divorces, I have no clue.
Chacal Charles Calthrop
@Martin: I assume this comes up in divorce. I do know that Goldman Sachs benefits don’t vest until after triggering events which are in the control of the employee; it turns out it’s for divorce decree evasion.
I never worked there but I had a classmate who married someone who did. It says something good about the people who are on this blog that no-one here seems to have any experience with nasty divorce behavior.
Chetan Murthy
@Chacal Charles Calthrop: There are so many of these damn loopholes in the law. Like those trusts that richies use to evade inheritance tax. It’s kinda enraging to think about.
Chacal Charles Calthrop
@Chetan Murthy: Agreed! I always tell people that the Federalist society didn’t want to dominate the courts because they thought the average case was a minor seeking an abortion without her parents’ consent, those are just the cases that the Federalist society deebs are willing to talk about.
p.a.
My $ is on: he’s lying.
Also too, are the usual suspects, Regnery, Heritage, Manhattan Institute, the other members of the Reich’s “think tank” sewer holding off from swooping in to Vudy’s rescue until this process is complete? If he “earns” future sources of income could that be grabbed to? <insert frowned-upon laughing emoji here> ‘Cause that would be awesome!
MagdaInBlack
@p.a.: I am so amused by the emoji work around. Malicious compliance rebellion at its finest (laughing smiley face here)
Baud
@MagdaInBlack:
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MagdaInBlack
@Baud: Oh boy, that’s gonna get you sum sh!t !
TBone
My usual morning jocularity (thank you, Father Francis Mulcahey) has been replaced by caution. Less is more these days, I guess.
Raoul Paste
@Baud: Just poke that bear!
satby
@MagdaInBlack: John barely reads the blog, so all the performative nonsense around the emoji request is just that.
It was a specific statement about a certain tedious behavior.
MagdaInBlack
@TBone: That’s no fun. Whats up
Eta: ” you can be the peachiest peach in all of peachdom, and someone won’t like peaches. Fuk ’em”
TBone
@satby: that’s not what I was told (off) yesterday.
MagdaInBlack
@satby: And yet its fun. So there’s that.
satby
@MagdaInBlack: not really.
p.a
@Baud: Awesome
@satby: The test to check if he reads it is calling the Stillers frauds and waiting on reaction.
TBone
@MagdaInBlack: in the interest of caution, lest I be reprimanded yet again for being unserious, my comment is better left unsaid. I posted Robert Fulghum’s Wollman Test of Reality in an attempt to lighten things up, but the message was soundly ignored by all but one. Better for me to obey in advance in this trivial matter, wouldn’t want to piss in anyone’s Cheerios.
You, my dear, are still a peach!
MagdaInBlack
@TBone: carpet-pissers will always be with us.
TBone
@MagdaInBlack: lol! Since one word comments are frowned upon, I had to add this full sentence.
And a short tribute video:
https://youtu.be/Q-Q3gd6S1as?si=fz_3f6UacfPeWQ7l
Princess
@MagdaInBlack: I think it’s funny.
MagdaInBlack
@TBone: Humor is how some of us get thru the hell. Wallowing in anxiety and gloom just pulls us deeper into the black hole. Did we learn nothing from Kamala?
p.a
It’s all fun and games until someone criticizes your comment format!
https://lingojam.com/FontChanger
Geminid
@Chacal Charles Calthrop: The Federalist Society was founded by Yale and University of Chicago law school students and graduates. It’s organizing event was a three day conference at the Yale Law School, in 1982.
Not long after, a young conservative activist– not another law shool grad– became the Society’s President. Eugene B. Meyer, Yale Class of 1975, has held that office ever since. Meyer stays in the background and not that many people outside the Federalist Society are familiar with his name or role.
Eugene Meyer’s father was famous, though. Frank Mayer played an important role in William F. Buckley’s National Review and was one of Buckley’s mentors. Mayer had embraced the Communist cause in the 1930s, but after ~10 years broke away to become a dedicated political conservative.
Frank Meyer’s son Eugene followed in his father’s footsteps but has kept a much lower profile. He may be better known in the chess world than the political. Growing up, Meyer was an avid chess player and is now an International Grand Master.
Meyer’s chess expertise has informed the Federalist Society’s strategy, I believe. Meyer was happy to let the lawyers carry on ideological battles through argument and theory, but he always understood the war would be won institutionally; by relentlessly pushing pawns down legal career paths in order to promote them into pieces.
p.a
𝔚𝔥𝔞𝔠𝔨𝔞 𝔴𝔥𝔞𝔠𝔨𝔞!
It works!
p.a
𝔚𝔥𝔞𝔠𝔨𝔞 𝔴𝔥𝔞𝔠𝔨𝔞!
Testing…
TBone
@MagdaInBlack: exactly. I’m especially fond of dark humor and your efforts in this regard are always deeply appreciated by me. I could have said all of that with a single heart.
TBone
@p.a: that’s fun! I typed in Hee Haw and it came out in the same script used by the Nazis. I’ll be typing a lot nonsense there for shits and giggles.
ETA I should have scrolled – all types of font appear, duh!
MagdaInBlack
@p.a: Ohh, that Is fun ! Bad me.
Another Scott
@p.a:
Interesting.
💞♢ 𝒾 𝔩เⓀＥ 𝐓ยяⓉ𝐋𝑒𝓈. 🍔♚
Thanks.
Best wishes,
Scott.
chrome agnomen
@NotMax: George and lester, tom and rudy
were shat upon by elephant doody
said George and Lester tom and rudy
tastes to me like tutti frutti.
h/t skippy Williamson
Rattlemullet
Well he can always get a job as a Walmart greeter or as a grocery bagger at Publix. His Republican Party has through their policies condemned so many seniors to having to work in their retirement years until they literally fall over dead. Fuck him and all republicans as well as their supporters.
Tony G
@Rattlemullet: Exactly. Crybaby Giuliani needs to shut up and get a job if he’s short on cash.
TBone
@Chacal Charles Calthrop: I have vast experience from real life breakups and working in family law (the polite way people in Pennsylvania refer to divorce and custody legal matters).
Have you heard the story of the curtain rods? I was going through a nasty breakup, working in a different specialty at the time, so the office divorce specialist sent it to me when my ex tried to force sale of jointly owned real property and I was having a very low moment. I could have kissed her.
https://www.trinitycoatesville.org/sermons/shrimp-in-the-curtain-rods-2/
Ignore preachy crap after story, pls.
Narrator: ex was unable to prevail and I purchased his interest at a very low price without resorting to sabotage. Unjust enrichment, a legal concept, was key.
BretH
@TBone: I absolutely loved that story. Makes me realize how few problems I really have.
p.a.
@Another Scott: oh sure, I’ll be the one ban-hammered for putting it out there. Nyuk nyuk nyuk
TBone
@BretH: I’m glad! I frequently check in at Fulghum’s website Journal page to get an attitude adjustment. He never disappoints.
lowtechcyclist
I can’t help but notice that Rudy’s suit and shirt and tie all look in top condition, properly pressed and dry-cleaned and all that. You don’t maintain that look without money to spare, so he’s got money to spare, whatever bullshit comes out of his mouth. He hasn’t been washing his clothes at the laundromat, he hasn’t been skimping on dry-cleaning, and he certainly hasn’t been sleeping in those clothes in the back of his car or on the street.
I’d say it’s time for the judge to throw him in jail for contempt. Time in the Graybar Hotel would be time he didn’t have to pay rent. (Like he’s actually paying rent, but just going along with his ‘I’m poor’ bullshit.)
Dorothy A. Winsor
@TBone: What a great story, especially since it was petty of the husband and girlfriend to take the curtain rods. Most people leave them because the curtains won’t fit in the new place anyway
Another Scott
@p.a.: [whisper] All we have to do is write text and our emojis 👍 in a white font and he’ll never see it. [/whisper]
Best wishes,
Scott.
TBone
@Dorothy A. Winsor: the ex I mentioned in my “vast experience” comment was thusly petty. Upon arriving before me one weekend, my friends cleaned up the Shanghai Surprise (human feces) he and his new love (my doppelganger) had smeared all over the bathroom before I got there. My friends are top shelf!
Another Scott
@Another Scott: Well, I guess he’ll see the emojis.
Hehe.
Cheers,
Scott.
TBone
@Another Scott: *whispers in ear
Redacted in the interest of comity.**
** The principle by which a court in one jurisdiction defers to a court in another jurisdiction where either would have legal power to decide the case, or gives effect to the laws, executive acts, or legal decisions of another jurisdiction.
Kay
He never had any money. The houses were all mortgaged to the hilt, other people were paying for the dinners out and the decadent partying and drinking.
Which is kind of amazing given that he grifted off of 9/11 for decades with bullshit “security consulting” work. A halfway smart person would still have tens of millions – all he’ll have is a government pension.
Kay
I think it’s interesting that he’s a drunk. I wonder how long that’s been true and how long NY media covered it up. He was probably a problem drinker when he was mayor too.
Shakti
@JoyceH: My personal theory is that the mob had gotten to/flipped Rudy Giuliani around the time of the Mafia Commission Trial (mid 1980s).
I don’t think we talked enough about that because the fall from who he used to be to (at least in public perception) what he is now is—– *whistles* spectacular.
It’s like he got RICO’ed and eminent domain’ed without actually either happening.
Why would someone who conducted a very visible mob trial end up defending a guy who has mob footprints all over his businesses and famously avoids paying taxes or disclosing his business interests?
This isn’t like switching from prosecution to defense that sometimes happens — it’s weird.
prostratedragon
@TBone: Marvelous! She really could sell a song.
EmbraceYourInnerCrone
@JoyceH: he could have rested on his post 9/11 laurels and gotten some books ghost written and made money on the speaker circuit. If he had stayed away from Trump and politics he could have made bank. He tied himself to the anchor that is Trump and could not stand to stay out of the press/media. Sealed his own doom.
TBone
@prostratedragon: she is a perennial favorite. I’m glad you like it!
OlFroth
Anyone else would be sitting in a jail cell for contempt.
Shalimar
@Shakti: I have told this story before. My mom was an investigative reporter in the 70s and 80s. She has plaques for being a Pulitzer Prize finalist several times. In 1981 or ’82, when Giuliani was 2nd in command at the Justice Department, mom went to oil billionaire Bart Chamberlain’s Bahamas vacation home to do an interview with him. Chamberlain was being investigated for violation of oil refining price controls. Giuliani had stayed in her guest room the week before she did.
JaneE
Didn’t the bankruptcy court put him on an allowance in the high tens of thousands? And didn’t he spend several times that amount anyway, just as if the limitation didn’t apply? And he could have turned over assets and not wound up with all his accounts frozen, but trying to hide money and just not pay up meant the court had to step in and make sure the victims got some of their judgement.
Rudy had to know what would happen, if he ever was a halfway decent lawyer. No sympathy from me, or anyone else.
Ruckus
@Jay:
Keep in mind, that at every step of this Court Case, Rudy has lied his ass off.
Seems to be a trait of djt and all associates thereof. Maybe their asses are in charge… Maybe they are just all ass…. Maybe their pompous arrogance is catching up with them… Maybe they are just pompous arrogant assholes…
Ruckus
@JaneE:
People like rudy and djt are just pompous arrogant, maturity wise 12 yr olds playing as if they are smart pompous arrogant assholes. In the end it never works out well for them because they don’t understand staying under cover and having 3 or more levels between them and their bullshit. They believe their own press and images in the mirror, where they see what they want to see instead of the useless piles of crap they actually are. And they sell it well enough that they have supporters, often right up till the very end. If like djt they start with a fair bit of money they can go pretty far, right up until they step on their own sensitive parts. With golf spikes. Yeah, they aren’t as real world smart as they think they are. But in a country with enough people (the US for example) they can get away with a lot before the spotlights and the law and most people have had enough. rudy is there, djt gets another chance to prove to his followers who and what he really is, and that he really only has one person ever in his head – and that is djt.
Ruckus
@Tony G:
Who is going to pay him money? He is an old fart – 80, has what kind of skills, how much brain power, etc, etc. He’s not going to get an actual job doing anything physical, he’ll fail every job application for actual thoughtful work, and his ego barely fits through a normal door. As an ex employer he is exactly the kind of human I would never, ever, for any amount of bribe, hire to do any kind of work. Not even minimum wage to sweep up. Not now, not 40 yrs ago, not tomorrow or any day in the future.
Shakti
@Shalimar: Was Bart Chamberlain in with the mob or mob adjacent or mob whisperers as well?
B/c that’s very corrupt of Bart. And Rudy.
Gloria DryGarden
@TBone: oh no! What has happened? I put my head in the sand for a whole day. What did I miss?
Gloria DryGarden
@Baud: that took some time to set up. It’s certainly big enough to get around the eyesight complaint.
Shalimar
@Shakti: It is Mobile so I am sure he had some mob ties. Carlos Marcello was very active in Mobile in the ’60s and ’70s. But mainly Bart Chamberlain was an enemy of the Hunt family, who had a lot of ties in the Reagan administration.
Gloria DryGarden
@Another Scott: diamond heart; I like turtles; Burger King?
im slow.
Shakti
@Shalimar: Well, Rudy did work for the Reagan administration aeons ago in some kind of associate AG position. He argued that Baby Doc Duvalier wasn’t practicing political repression and that most Haitians then were economic migrants.
It’s fascinating how he went from making his bones on (looking like he was) cracking down on white collar crime to pretty much claiming white collar crime doesn’t count; from prosecuting under RICO to saying shit like “collusion is not a crime”.
Perhaps he was rotten for a long time but the perception was that he wasn’t. And Rudy was all about how it looked.
AND:
Rudy Giuliani did voter suppression and intimidation ish to become Mayor of New York City and I did not know about it (too young but also not covered tbh):