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— vituperativeerb (@vituperativeerb) November 26, 2024
Per the Columbus Dispatch, “Body cam footage: Neo-Nazis who marched in Short North claimed to be victims of violence”:
A group of neo-Nazis who marched through the Short North this month were not arrested because police determined they were not the aggressors in a fight that broke out, according to documents and video footage.
In body camera footage Columbus police released Monday, the neo-Nazis told police they had never experienced a response like the one they received in Columbus. They said people pulled guns on them and threw cans and vegetables as they marched, waved flags and yelled racial slurs. One of the officers noted the men were “covered in” pepper spray.
The Nov. 16 march drew stern condemnation from city hall to the White House, but no arrests were made. A group of Black men organized a counter-march the next day, following the same route in the Short North with a message of peace. In a statement, Columbus police previously said they could not find sufficient probable cause to file any charges against the neo-Nazis.
Police initially made contact with the neo-Nazis in a chaotic scene on a sidewalk near Goodale Park at about 1:15 p.m., according to a radio log printout from Columbus police. There the neo-Nazis, wearing black and red clothing and carrying black flags with red swastikas, told police they were leaving because they were under attack. In the background, bystanders shouted at them to take off their masks.
They told police they were marching because “our country is being invaded and white people are being ostracized.” While they refused to tell police where they lived, they referenced past marches in other cities.
Police said they’d received a report that they were spraying people with pepper spray and hair spray. The neo-Nazis said they were pepper sprayed first, and hadn’t instigated any violence. Footage previously obtained by the Dispatch showed one of the neo-Nazis spraying something in a person’s face, and 911 callers said the neo-Nazis had pepper sprayed people.
Several officers, including multiple Black officers, were present at the scene on the sidewalk. One Black officer tried to reason with the marchers, pointing out that they were bound to see confrontation from people for shouting hateful things.
“I definitely feel your First Amendment rights to say whatever nonsense this is, but c’mon, man,” the officer said. “The Buckeyes are playing. Man, come on.”…
A police report identified the group as “Hate Club 1844.” The driver is the only neo-Nazi named in the report. The others are identified only as about 10-11 unknown white men.
“We do this all over the U.S., and we’ve never been attacked like this, man,” the driver told police from his seat in the U-Haul.
War for Ukraine Day 1,011: “The Russians Are Very, Very Busy in Ukraine… Thank God for the Ukrainians.”
bjacques
“Hate Club 1844”? Wut? Was “Hate Club 1488” already taken?
A P N
A Always
P Punch
N Nazis
Always Punch Nazis
Always! Punch! Nazis!
Jay
Mor fireworks cannons,……..are needed.
MagdaInBlack
Hate Club: We’re the Hate Club!
Sane people: Ok, we hate you.
Hate Club: No, not like that!
Jay
@bjacques:
Gloria DryGarden
@Jay: i just wrote you a reply over on the cooking thread.
Jay
@Gloria DryGarden:
Reply sent.
brantl
I’ll bet any amount of money the nazis sprayed first.
I think it’s hysterical that they’re surprised that the response they got; they can eat a bag of salted dicks.
Rusty
What an example of American white privilege, the Nazis want to remain anonymous to spread a message of hate, and are incensed when they receive what they themselves are spreading. How dare there be consequences for their racism. I see little difference between these guys and, for example, the conservatives on the Supreme Court, who are opening the door for exerting bigotry and hate by individuals, groups and companies, but are incensed if you dare to call themselves bigots.
Baud
Real Americans
Gloria DryGarden
@Jay: Danke.
TBone
The Nerd Reich.
Baud
Geminid, if you’re around, you might find this blue sky thread interesting.
Jeffg166
As the extreme radical evangelical right imposes its beliefs on on this country I think they are going to be very surprised at the blowback.
Princess
@Baud: that’s very interesting. Thanks.
Ten Bears
The advantage of tuna over soup cans is tuna are more readily concealable
Princess
@Jeffg166: I’m glad you feel that way and I hope you’re right. I constantly misread Americans. From my perspective, I feel like I’m mostly seeing people withdrawing, retreating to home and family, distracting themselves, obeying in advance, etc., from ordinary schmoes like us all the way up to our political leaders.
NeenerNeener
I used to live in Columbus. I’m happy and surprised that there was any push back to the hate march at all. Although I’m not surprised that the cops were upset that the march was interfering with watching Ohio State play. The football team is on the front page of The Dispatch 365 days a year.
Baud
@Princess:
Everything here falls into two paradigms. The right of center is evil but strong and effective and interesting and even entertaining. The left of center is flawed, weak, boring, and always doing it wrong.
Professor Bigfoot
@Jeffg166: I’ll be shocked to see any white blowback other than the LGBTQ community.
White people in America have a LONG history of “coming together in peace” over the bodies of Natives and Black people.
narya
@Princess: or: folks are pushing back where and how they can (props to my Senator in her wheelchair pushing back on Hegseth and Schumer getting judges through), and also keeping the metaphorical ammo in reserve until the assholes are actually in power. Joe is still in charge right now.
Splitting Image
@Princess:
It’s difficult to push back when we don’t know what is a real threat and what is empty bluster. And right now we have no real clues to guide us.
I’ve seen people say with confidence that Trump is certain to implement all of the tariffs he says he will because it is one of the few things he can do without any input from Congress. I’ve heard other people say with confidence that tariffs would be such a disaster that the money men will prevent him from implementing more than a token set of tariffs. A third group says with confidence that the real point of the tariffs is to sell exemptions to the tariffs and that it is really a shakedown scheme. What actually happens could be any of these.
Similarly, I’ve heard people say with confidence that anti-immigrant sentiment is so high that millions of Latinos being deported is inevitable followed by a list of other ethnic groups they don’t like. I’ve heard other people say with confidence that, again, the effects will be so disastrous that the money men will never let him do it on the scale he wants, and a few thousand highly televised deportations followed by declaring victory are far more likely.
Basically no one knows how bad it is going to get and who will be hurt first and/or hardest. People are withdrawing now because there is nothing they can do but worry until Trump actually takes over. And of course prepare for the worst.
Any real resistance can’t start happening until January 20th. Until then, we don’t really know what is possible, what is likely, what is really being planned, and what is bluster.
The only things I can predict with an iron-clad guarantee are massive tax cuts for the wealthy, deregulation, and stacking the federal courts with Trump cronies. Everything else is up in the air.
sab
@Professor Bigfoot: Did you follow any of the Jayland Walker protests in Akron?
Police arrested a bunch of people for protesting, and prosecutors charged and brought them to trial. And it was pretty much complete jury nullification. I don’t think anyone was convicted.
Splitting Image
@Professor Bigfoot:
It really depends how serious they are about abolishing Medicare and Social Security, and how quickly they move to do it.
Baud
@Splitting Image:
Good comment.
ETA: I suppose it’s unavoidable, but I’m not pleased with Trump’s role as a conversation starter for our side.
sab
@Splitting Image: We had a drain problem yesterday so the plumber and then the restoration/cleanup guys were here all day. Very white working class guy plumber, Ukrainian immigrants (and one hispanic guy) for the cleanup. The plumber guy was very worried about tariffs and plumbing supply costs. It really surprised me that he even brought the issue up. I try to avoid politics with white contractors.
Baud
@sab:
Yeah that’s dangerous.
ETA: Probably the safest thing to say, if you say anything at all, is that Trump only cares about his billionaire buddies.
realworldrj
“They complained about being told to keep their hands above their heads, saying they were losing circulation. One complained that he had to use the bathroom.”
We will defeat the jews, blacks, browns, Chinese, non-christians, and women who don’t date us but first we need to go peepee
p.a.
@sab: If the subject comes up, my go-to’s are: how much does a guy need to be worth so that you’re o.k. with them stiffing you on a job, or are you just ok when tRump does it? The other, only family or someone you know very well, how much… so that you’re ok with him grabbing a woman’s “nethers*”, or just ok for tRump.
*you’ll know your audience, so chose regarding such
p.a.
@realworldrj: Like the armageddon preppers whinging about wearing masks!😂
NotMax
“It’s not easy being
greenwhite.”//²
Geminid
@Baud: “Tendar” impresses me as a very careful and objective analyst, which is important right now with so much going on in Syria, and so many different parties involved. I mainly know him from his commentary on the war in Ukraine.
Tendar appears to be a retired German Army officer, and he has been a vigorous critic of Prime Minister Scholz’s half-hearted Ukraine policy. He’s also an American Civil War buff, and his Twitter heading shows a scene from the movie Gettysburg, from the Union side.
NotMax
Pure as the driven snowflakes.
:)
Geminid
@Ten Bears: Sardine cans might work too. You could pull the tab back like the pin on a grenade, and then if you hit a nazi they’ll be like, “Ewww!”
eclare
@Geminid:
Great idea!
Suzanne
@sab: I was working on a large project the last time Trump announced tariffs on steel and aluminum (what was that, 2018?). I went to a weekly contractor meeting a few days later, and the GC said that, in the previous two days, something like ten subcontractors had contacted them saying that they were estimating a 20% add to their previously quoted bids.
NotMax
@Geminid
Cans of bargain bin cat food?
Baud
@Suzanne:
Makes me wonder what’s happening now with new conttacts across the economy, given the uncertainty about future prices.
Suzanne
@Baud: I have the same thoughts. Uncertainty is such a killer for projects of scale. Not just building and construction, but for every market. Any product development, institutional initiative, etc.
Unlike many here, I believe inflation and the resulting now-stable-but-higher prices we’ve faced in the past few years is a genuine problem for lots of people, and is more proof to me that that the American economy simply doesn’t work on behalf of the citizenry. But, because I have basic-ass pattern recognition skills, I can see that the GOP gives even less of a shit about this, and would do even more damage.
NotMax
@Baud
Landlord couple just Black Friday ordered a new refrigerator for both the big house on the property and my rental cottage.
Won’t mourn the exit of the noisy one have now. Not looking forward, however, to just how much must be temporarily relocated into the living room to accommodate its ingress through the back door.
Kay
Ohio is a completely corrupt one party state but I suppose its good they were able to beat back ten protesters.
We all just have such low standards these days.
RevRick
@Rusty: Conservatives are known to be quite willing to dish out slurs, garbage, and insults, but get all butthurt when they have to take it or get pushback.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@Rusty:
‘Murkin Nazis are snowflakes…and project…just like every RWNJ in this country.
brantl
@Geminid: I’m thinking drones, with pepper spray, or bear spray, or animal urine vaporized. I bet you can drop that from high enough they can’t hit the drones, and you get a nice dispersion.
Betty Cracker
@Suzanne:
Agree 100%, and of course holding that view does not mean denying plenty of other factors were also in play in the recent election, including misogyny, racism, anti-trans hysteria, etc. It’s a big, complex country. There are no simple answers.
NotMax
@RevRick
Me and you and a dog named Coup. ((a href+”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=We-HMZDSWFU”>ref.)
:)
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@realworldrj:
Nominated!
Another Scott
@Suzanne: I remember back then that Ford was screaming that the steel and aluminum tariffs were going to cost it $1B.
But, hey, eggs were too expensive and Kamala smiled too much.
:-/
DJT is just throwing arbitrary percentages out there now. 100% on BRICS. Was 60% on other stuff, now 10%, maybe 23.756% tomorrow. It’s I have in my hand 57 cases of individuals who would appear to be either card-carrying members or certainly loyal to the Communist Party… all over again.
As someone wise upthread said, we can’t be chasing his daily mouth noises. We have to be prepared for January 20, but it’s not at all clear what they’ll actually introduce as EOs and legislation – never mind what is challenged in the courts and what actually has votes to pass and be enacted. And who will actually be confirmed in the Senate. Even the giant tax cuts are a heavy lift this time, IMHO. There’s obviously no real-world economic argument for shoveling more money upward into the sky (like one of the KSA “floating” FIFA stadiums) and giving the stock market even more of a sugar high… It only takes a few people to say “No” and little if anything will get done. And acting secretaries do not have all the power of a senate-confirmed secretary.
These folks in the Senate (and House) want to get re-elected, and giving more power and money to unelected people who don’t care about their political prospects is a heavy lift. How is helping the Trumpists and the Muskites and all the rest going to help GOP Senators in 2026 and 2028?? Political calculus like that still operates, no matter what the MAGA folks want us to believe.
The House is even more closely divided than before, and Johnson couldn’t do anything substantial last time without Democrats supplying most of the votes. It will be similar this Congress, is my guess.
But, we’ll see.
Hang in there, everyone.
Best wishes,
Scott.
NotMax
Arrgh. Fixy fix for #45.
@RevRick
Me and You and a dog named Coup. ((a href=”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=We-HMZDSWFU”>ref.)
:)
NotMax
Not my night. One more try to remediate fumble fingers.
@>RevRick
Me and You and a Dog named Coup. (ref.)
:)
brantl
@Suzanne:
Capitalism exists for the rich capitalists, and not for anything else. For the record, I don’t think anyone here thinks that inflation isn’t a problem for lots of people. I think people think that the Democrats are fighting it, that the Rethugs won’t, and that only the Democrats give a shit about the little people, and in the last 50 years, they are the only party that does. If you don’t see that, I think you’re missing the plot.
NotMax
What the hell is the matter with me this evening (rhetorical question))?
@RevRick
Me and You and a Dog named Coup. ref.)
:)
Chip Daniels
If this is the march I think it is, there is a person on Bluesky posting their names.
NotMax
Can’t get it right to save my life.
@RevRick
Me and You and a Dog named Coup. (ref.)
:)
NotMax
@Another Scott
Slow walking Armageddon.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@brantl:
Exactly. And while I agree with your other characterizations above, it’s understandable how many people not associated with the Horseshoe Left can beat on Dems along certain economic policy lines.
We ran on what was characterized as the “most progressive platform ever” in 2016, 2020 and 2024, losing 2/3s of the time. What these platforms are criticized for is that they still generally support the current system of corporate capitalism that many question it’s ability to sustain the sort of broad middle class we idolize as the best state of our economy. 40+ years of Reaganomics baked into the system will do that.
As you said, capitalism is a wealth concentration engine and always has been.
A loophole if you will in Western democratic capitalism is that in a society governed by free markets and free elections, organized greed always defeats disorganized democracy.
Another Scott
@NotMax: 👍
:-)
Great song.
Best wishes,
Scott.
brendancalling
I love reading about Nazis getting beaten.
RevRick
@Splitting Image: You are absolutely right! We are living in an interrum of great uncertainty. But there are plenty of ominous signs.
I’m thinking especially of his appointments of Stephen Miller and Tom Homan, zealots eager to engage in a mass ethnic cleansing. Trump has promised this to his MAGA masses, and I doubt a “ just kidding,” will fly with them.
And as for tariffs, Trump has convinced himself that they are the magic wand that will restore American manufacturing, and there’s one thing I know about stupid people is that they will dig in their heels. And Trump is exceedingly stupid. (When it comes to stupidity, I take my cues from a brief essay by Dietrich Bonhoeffer.)
suzanne
@brantl:
Eh, there’s been a fair amount of minimization in some of the rhetoric around here. Comments like “people are spending lots of money on Taylor Swift tickets, so the economy can’t be as bad as people are saying!”.
But agreed that the GOP doesn’t do shit about it. All they have to offer the white working class is hating the same people they hate.
TerryC
I’d like to see a drone attack on Stone Mountain with paintballs.
The Pale Scot
@brantl:
I’m thinking more petrol and soap flakes
suzanne
@Betty Cracker:
I read a quote by Dostoyevsky recently that got me to thinking; “Neither a person nor a nation can endure without some higher idea.” Which made me think: what’s America’s higher idea, right now, in this century?
Back up to probably 2015 or so, I would have said that — at least in concept, though fallen short countless times — the higher idea was that we could build a nation of people, united only by desire and dreams, and make a better life for our children and future generations.
But I don’t believe this anymore.
sab
@Kay: You notice it was civilian people, not the police, that did they beat back. There was no both sides on police accusations of pepper spray although both sides did use it.
RevRick
@comrade scotts agenda of rage: The reason why this particular form of capitalism flourishes in America is that there are all sorts of political structures that are stumbling blocks to reining them in. “Mayhew’s” 218-51(60)-5-1 formation.
Western Europe has had better success in this regard, because its Parliamentary systems allow a single party to enact laws once it attains majority. Aneurin Bevin’s creation of the National Health Service in Britain by stuffing doctor’ mouths with gold comes to mind as to what a government can achieve under unified control.
NotMax
@TerryC
It’s Georgia. Let the kudzu flourish.
;)
different-church-lady
@Suzanne: I have genuine financial stress in my life, but I’m still all-in on punching the Nazis.
Baud
@different-church-lady:
That’s only because you’e a good person.
suzanne
Damn skippy.
different-church-lady
@Baud: Shit, I knew there was a reason everything was so hard…
sab
@Suzanne: I agree with you on the inflation. Food prices habe been bouncing around but mostly way up. Housing has become insanely expensive.
My more sensible stepson who already had a home and mortgage pre-covid has noticed it but thinks it’s normal and to be expected in a booming economy. My wilder stepson has also noticed it but he is so glad to finally have a good solid job that he isn’t complaining. My stepdaughter is working so much overtime that she uses doordash so that explains her costs.
Both stepsons will get clobbered jobwise if the tariffs are widespread. Nobody in US manufacturing works with exclusively American parts.
Another Scott
@suzanne:
MediaLeader.com:
There’s no contradiction between people being upset in the big step change in prices and people going on fancy vacations and buying expensive pickup trucks. The press wanting us to think that 4% unemployment and 2.5% inflation and booming construction and manufacturing and rising real incomes in the bottom 20% and 4.2% 10 year Treasuries and record stock market indexes and all the rest means that we’re in a terrible recession or one is just around the corner (and has been for 3+ years) is propaganda. It’s objectively not true.
Words have meaning.
The way to combat the step change in prices isn’t to somehow demand that prices go back down to what they were 5 years ago (which would actually be an economic disaster), it’s to increase family incomes. And Democrats did that with the expanded child tax credit and all the rest. And the way to reduce the increasing shoveling of national wealth to the billionaires is not to put them in charge, but to do sensible things that Biden-Harris and Harris-Walz were trying to do.
Don’t get me wrong. I get that many people are objectively upset. But either they don’t know the way to express what it is that’s upsetting them, or they are asked to respond to excluded-middle questions, or they know they’ll look like monsters if they say what they really think, or …
Humans are complicated, and it’s a problem when trying to create public policy in a closely-divided electorate.
tl;dr – The
customerpublic is not always right. But one has to find ways to make things work even with that being the case.[/rant]
FWIW.
Best wishes,
Scott.
RevRick
@NotMax: Thank you for the trip down memory lane
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@Another Scott:
Income inequality is the price we as a society have to pay for being able to have billionaire penis rockets.
It all goes back to Laughernomics/Reaganomics, etc. It’s working exactly as it was intended and the underpinning of the Neo-Gilded Age of extreme economic inequality…and that income inequality reverberates *everywhere*.
We gave it a good start with Biden but had decades to go.
suzanne
@Another Scott: I’ve never thought that there was ever any other sane choice than voting for Harris-Walz. I do think, as valued commenter Martin has phrased it, voting for Democrats is “necessary but not sufficient”.
RevRick
@Another Scott: Great post!
m.j.
We do this all over the U.S.
“How?”
NotMax
@different-church-lady
Eve’s first post-apple words to Adam?
:)
stinger
@TerryC:
Rainbow colors!
Snarki, child of Loki
@brantl: “I’m thinking drones, with pepper spray, or bear spray, or animal urine vaporized. I bet you can drop that from high enough they can’t hit the drones, and you get a nice dispersion.”
Skunk erasure: noted.
(BTW, if you have a spot where ACAB cruisers hang out to nab people, plant a roadkill skunk there, with its paw clutching a donut)
Bill Arnold
@brantl:
Perhaps skunk spray collected from Striped Skunks. (Note: not the Israeli concoction sprayed on protesters in Israel.) Drones could easily deliver this. It also marks the people hit by it for a while, maybe days.
(E)-2-butene-1-thiol – Molecule of the Month February 2022 (Simon Cotton)
Bill Arnold
@RevRick:
This essay? On stupidity (December 3, 2021 Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Opinion)
Sample:
RevRick
@Bill Arnold: Yup. That’s part of it.
Martin
@sab: Note, crop prices are down about 20% across the board this year. That has not translated to lower food prices.
We had a post a few days back about milk. Class I milk (the stuff you drink) has a wholesale price (what the farmer earns) of ~$1.10/gal. Our store price for a gallon of milk is ~$4.50. Between those two is pasteurization and packaging, but I don’t think that costs 3x more than the cow, feed, and labor. Who is keeping that money? Because it sure seems like both the farmer and the consumer are getting fucked.
This is the kind of framing of the problem that Democrats need to figure out how to do rather than just telling people that inflation is fine, we have it under control, which is what happened for a year before the campaign geared up. And even when the campaign geared up they still didn’t do this.
artem1s
W told us shopping more was our higher goal, remember? Ignore the toll our Big Oil energy policy was having on our country and global economies and climate; the drain of resources that a continuous war would that would lead to another great depression. Jeebus has promised to save the righteous and burn the evil so no reason to be concerned about our future. Accept that whoever has the most stuff when he dies wins.