Breaking, via the BBC:
“In the last half hour, the president of South Korea, Yoon Suk Yeol, has declared martial law.
In an unannounced late night television address he says the move is necessary to protect the country from North Korea’s communist forces and to eliminate anti-state elements.
Yoon said the decision was made to remove pro-North Korea forces from the country and to protect the liberal constitutional order.
Yoon said he had no choice but to resort to martial law, but did not say in the address what specific measures will be taken.
The Yonhap News Agency is reporting that the leader of South Korean opposition Democratic Party, Lee Jae-myung, has said the declaration of martial law is unconstitutional.
Yonhap is also reporting that Han Dong-hoon, the head of the ruling People Power Party – of which President Yoon Suk Yeol is a member – has also vowed to block the declaration, describing it as ‘wrong’.”
I don’t follow Korean politics, but various international relations academics on Bluesky seem to agree with the reporting above – Yoon is going rogue here, but it’s not yet clear why. Feels like yet more bad news for democracy.
If any of our Jackals in Asia are still awake and can shed light on this situation (or if you’re up to speed on Korea), please chime in below.
ETA: Baud found a subject-matter expert on Bluesky, one Karl Friedhoff of the Chicago Council on Foreign Affairs. He appears to be providing a credible explainer about the background of the situation here, which will sound very familiar to us all: right-wing president elected on a narrow margin with an administration facing corruption investigations goes for a desperate move to hold onto power. All very ominous.
Link to one of the more hopeful posts in Friedhoff’s otherwise quite bleak thread:
Prepare for MASSIVE protests. I’d venture the coming protests will outdo those that saw Park Geun-Hye removed from power. One thing about Koreans: they will absolutely not be cowed. They’ve overthrown dictatorship and removed a president from power, all with largely peaceful protests.
— Karl Friedhoff (@kfriedhoff.bsky.social) December 3, 2024 at 2:28 PM
You know they’re taking notes down at Mar-a-Lago. Americans opposed to this kind of thing should be taking notes, too.
ETA 11:35 a.m. EST: Further reports indicate that 190 members of the 300-member SK National Assembly were able to convene in spite of an apparent blockade of the building. Everyone present voted to lift the martial law, and Yoon must, by law, comply. Protesters have gathered in the streets. Whether this actually resolves the situation remains to be seen, but it’s very inspiring to see a legislative body immediately smack this shit down. Best of luck to the Koreans.
TaMara
Well, fuck. My best friend’s son just landed in S Korea for school and this seems bad.
Jeffg166
Another I have to suspend democracy to protect it. I wonder how the military feel about his move.
Rose Judson
@TaMara: Shit. I hope he’s able to stay out of any unrest that results from this and get back home safely.
The BBC is now reporting, via the link above, that the military is blocking access to the parliamentary building.
lowtechcyclist
@Rose Judson:
Yeesh. Not good at all.
raven
Based on my experiences there 55 years ago them dudes are all crazy!
Steve LaBonne
Now you know why Trump wants loyal sycophants running the military.
raven
“According to South Korean law, the government must lift martial law if the majority of National Assembly demands in a vote.
The same law also prohibits martial law command from arresting lawmakers.”
Baud
Whoa.
Rose Judson
@Steve LaBonne: Someone at Mar-A-Lago is taking notes, I’m sure.
Spanky
President Trump will rescue democracy for them thar Ko-reeans, don’t you worry.
Spanky
And I’m sure N. Korea will just sit there spectating while a civil war develops to the south.
MattF
From NYT:
Baud
Via Bluesky. As always, be cautious of hot takes.
ETA: Fixed grammer
sab
OT Anybody in NE Ohio want a meetup before winter really sets in? I am in Akron but I can drive elsewhere.
JML
This is very much not good. Wonder what we’ll see in response from China?
YY_Sima Qian
WTF? Yoon is a reactionary w/ rock bottom approval ratings, won his election by the slimmest of margins & only because the Left split their vote, & known to be roguish, but this is…
WTF?!!
WaterGirl
@raven: What does the law say about preventing lawmakers from voting?
If you can’t vote, then you can’t vote against the martial law.
Baud
@YY_Sima Qian:
Unpossible.
Old School
Here’s additional information from the BBC:
Spanky
@MattF:
By their buzz words shall ye know them.
Spanky
@YY_Sima Qian: It looks like it matters not how many supporters you have in Parliament, but how many divisions you control.
Old School
@Baud:
This is good news for John McCain!
YY_Sima Qian
@Baud: Well, like Shinzo Abe of Japan, Yoon has received hagiographic praise in DC by Dems & Repubs alike because he is more confrontation w/ NK, more (but not fully) collaborative w/ Japan & the US against the PRC. One more example of the pathologies of pursuing Primacy end up favoring reactionary forces at home & abroad.
OTOH, perhaps by declaring Martial Law Yoon can circumvent SK law & export weapons to Ukraine???
Baud
@YY_Sima Qian:
Eh, foreign policy is complicated. A autogolpe is a different matter.
Spanky
@YY_Sima Qian:
Uh, sure, although I suspect it’s kinda low on his priorities.
Spanky
@Baud:
Word of the Year for 2025.
Rose Judson
@Baud: Thanks for finding that guy. He’s an Asian studies fellow at a big think-tank, so likely has decent info about the background of the situation here.
Starting to look like Yoon pulled a Trump move to stop his wife (and himself) from being investigated.
Baud
@Rose Judson:
At least Yoon was unpopular. I wish Trump was.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
What’s happening is echoing the 1979 coup:
https://jacobin.com/2024/04/us-south-korea-1979-coup
Or at least many of the circumstances that led to it. Yeah, it’s Jacobin but it’s good background.
raven
@WaterGirl: dunno
YY_Sima Qian
@SpanKy The world is falling apart in front of our eyes at frightening speed, I am grasping at straws for silver linings.
Baud
This will surely help SK’s declining birth rate!
Chris
Uh.
UH.
This seems really, really bad.
I clearly don’t follow Asian politics enough: I didn’t have this in my bingo cards.
Steve LaBonne
@Baud: Thank goodness nothing like that could happen in the US.
MattF
@Baud: Question— How did you do that link to a bsky post in #13?
Baud
@MattF:
It’s a pain. You need to copy a link to the post and then go here to create a code.
https://embed.bsky.app/
Baud
sab
We need to remember that most of Korea’s industrial class leaders were fine with the Japanese invasion during WWI I, and that the 90% who were not industrial class leaders remember that with bitterness.
There is a reason that Korean parliamentary sessions break out in fist fights. There is a lot of historical anger there.
Baud
I wonder if Trump’s martial law will be based on the Canadian threat or trans people.
Chris
@Baud:
I assume that “if you’re anywhere but DC” bit means we’ve been fans of him on account of a hard line towards North Korea and towards Vlad the Impaler?
Which I can understand, but, heh, that doesn’t quite make up for this.
sab
@YY_Sima Qian: Agree but YIKES!
Baud
Baud
@Chris:
Probably.
sab
@Baud: Canadian threat is laughable in US. They know us and fear us and know they are 10% of us in any meaningful military measure.
Chris
@YY_Sima Qian:
“The bad news is that you’re going to live as a statue for eighty years on a strange planet.”
“What’s the good news?”
“Chiana and I are having fantastic sex.”
Omnes Omnibus
@sab: Wasn’t that kind of Baud’s point?
Baud
At least South Korea can look forward to cheap eggs.
matt
it’s almost like there’s some kind of pattern with these right wing parties, can’t put my finger on it.
Baud
@matt:
I don’t know. Both parties look the same to me.
YY_Sima Qian
Yoon isn’t doing this on his own, he must have some support for Martial Law from at least parts of the SK natsec apparatus. Parliamentary police has already blocked off the parliamentary compound, so not sure how a vote overturning martial law can take place, absent massive street action (which the SKians are quite experienced in) putting pressure on the martial law authorities:
May the South Koreans serve as inspiration for Americans, because you know Trump will be inspired by Yoon.
YY_Sima Qian
In the meantime, I’d like to be unplugged from the simulation now, no need to experience nuclear fire.
Steve LaBonne
The head of Yoon’s party has come out against the coup.
I'm sure this will inspire our Republicans to defend democracy.
NotMax
@Baud
Bibimbap trucks on every corner.
;)
Harrison Wesley
@Baud: It’s a trans-Canadian threat.
MattF
Gift link to NYT updates.
Omnes Omnibus
@Harrison Wesley: No, that’s a railroad.
glc
Flummoxed
sab
@sab: So we go after trans people, who are a tiny fraction of us but make the religious right folks, Catholic and Evangelical, go insane.
I have a trans niece yet I like JK Rowling’s books (Strike yes Potter no). I want to hit her (Rowling) upside her head with a two by four just to knock sense into her head.
I love her Strike books and still have a hard time accepting that she wrote them.
sab
@Omnes Omnibus: I am stupid and often do not get obvious points.
Bupalos
@sab: well my woodpile says might be a little late on that whole “before winter sets in” thing. But I’d be interested in comparing NEO notes IRL.
Chris
@matt:
It’s not quite universal – Chavez/Maduro in Venezuela and Ortega in Nicaragua were both left-wingers, so’s Morales in Bolivia who’s been trying to follow in their footsteps, and so I believe was Duterte in the Philippines.
In the West (if our developed East Asian allies like Japan, Taiwan, and South Korea can be included in that package), though, it’s universally a right-wing problem.
(And even in these other places, the right wing opposition generally isn’t any better than the left-wing autocrat. They’re just less competent about it, and/or were beaten to the punch).
NotMax
@Omnes Omnibus
Gotta link it. Late career Buster Keaton <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epfOOodUzHI"<short flick.
Chris
@sab:
My absolute favorite thing about the Cormoran Strike books is that she wrote them under a male pseudonym. (And of course she published that other series under “JK” rather than “Joanne” because she wanted to keep the gender ambiguous).
NotMax
Arrgh. Fix.
@Omnes Omnibus
Gotta link it. Late career Buster Keaton <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epfOOodUzHI"<short flick.
sab
@Bupalos: You have a woodpile. I have too much wood left by previous owner. Can I drive it up to you? Serious offer.
rikyrah
@sab:
sab,
how is the new house? you all settled in?
YY_Sima Qian
@Steve LaBonne: Yoon has been a rogue w/in the SK right wing. He only joined the right wing party in 2022, shortly before winning the SK Presidential election. Before that, as a prosecutor he had been pivotal in convicting two former SK Presidents from the right wing (Park Geun-hye & Lee Myung-bak). The previous left wing President Moon appointed Yoon as Prosecutor General, & Yoon proceeded to investigate close associates of Moon.
So, no surprise that Yoon has few allies among the senior ranks of the right wing party, especially given is abysmal approval rating, but he must have some allies in the SK military & security services to try martial law.
NotMax
What the hell, FYWP?
@Omnes Omnibus
Gotta link it. Late career Buster Keaton short flick.
Anonymous At Work
@raven: American democracy is croquet, compared to Korean MMA-style democracy.
sab
@Chris: Well her grown up book under her own name (which I quite liked) got panned. She realized that women in the world don’t get a fair break.
Bupalos
@YY_Sima Qian: Oh no. I pretty much count on you to know and explain what is up and fill in holes in my global political knowledge …. And you’re pulling a “WTF??!”
Baud
Waiting for the first person on blue sky to demand Biden declare martial law to stop Trump.
Baud
If SK takes Yoon down hard in the next few weeks, maybe that’ll have a deterrent/inspirational effect here.
Omnes Omnibus
@Baud: That happened weeks ago. It happened here too.
Spanky
What are the odds that this is a military coup and they’ve got a gun to Yoon’s head?
Baud
@Omnes Omnibus:
Stupid norms.
sab
@rikyrah: Pretty much yes. Only two windows still need curtains. Turkey Days one and two were amazing, but then the basement plumbing backed up, forcing the satby boy cat upstairs where he discovered that my husband is not scary but actually cat friendly.
So yes. We are good.
Bupalos
@sab: oh lordy yes. I mean, I can’t really let you load wood and drive it to me, but I can come get it. As long as I’m allowed to buy your drinks if there’s a meetup.
YY_Sima Qian
@Chris: Duterte was a populist, not left wing. Unlike Marcos, Jr. (current Filipino President, son of the infamous Ferdinand Marcos), though, he came from humble origins. His daughter, Sarah Duterte, is currently VP of the Philippines. Marcos, Jr. won the last election w/ the help of an alliance w/ the Dutertes, but that alliance has fallen apart. Sarah Duterte just announced that she has taken out a contract on Marcos, Jr.’s life, to be executed in the even of her death (presumably on the orders of Marcos, Jr.). Two powerful & corrupt families duking it out.
Like Yoon, Abe & Modi, Marcos, Jr. have received hagiographic bipartisan praise in DC, for taking a more confrontation stance against the PRC (though he has good cause, given the assertive grey zone tactics the PRC employs in the South China Sea at the Philippines’ expense), but he is reactionary, kleptocratic, & show authoritarian tendencies.
rikyrah
@sab:
How is the family member in Virginia? She still like it out there?
Baud
Bupalos
@Baud: In 2016 after the election there were two people in my anti fracking group that earnestly argued that Obama had a duty to drone-strike Trump.
of course one of them is now an RFK conspiracy freak.
sab
@sab: I do not know why she is nuts on trans because she has been pretty much tolerant bordering on accepting in her books. My guess is daddy issues combined with an extremely abusive first marriage. Then she found support in a different toxic environment.
raven
@Spanky: When the NK commandoes came across the in 1968 there mission was to take Pak Chung Hee’s head back.
Chris
@YY_Sima Qian:
My understanding was that Duterte’s part of the political spectrum was what passed for “the left” in Filipino politics. (With the Marcos part being what passes for “the right.”) In practice, they’re both political machines and patronage networks leading up to, as you say, the two powerful families duking it out, but it wouldn’t be the first time a left-wing party’s ended up being that.
sab
@Bupalos: So much yes. I want this wood gone and I would dearly love a meetup.
Belafon
@Baud: Now we get to find out which one gets enforced.
Baud
@Belafon:
I hope it gets resolved in the next 10 minutes or I’m going to lose interest. /Internet
YY_Sima Qian
@Bupalos: Martial law in SK was not on my bingo card.
Steve LaBonne
@Baud: And it’s just a distraction from the burning issue of our time, Hunter Biden’s pardon.
Gloria DryGarden
@MattF: i tried the embed function from blue sky to Facebook last week. I found that in the 3 dots. I didn’t have bauds instructions, and it did not work.
So I tried the icon that looks like download, with the arrow and the bottom of a square. That let me copy link, then I could paste. Worth a try.
Baud
Should I be worried about my Samsung phone security updates?
sab
@rikyrah: She desperately misses her family but otherwise she is happy. Akron Ohio is a hick town and Richmond Virginia is a big city, so she is kind of okay. Sprung from the boondocks but she misses us.
Gloria DryGarden
@Baud: oh! An optimistic thought! I’ll take anything. Just for cheering up…
sab
@sab: responding to rikyrah: She is living with her boyfriend since they were fourteen. I like him a lot but I am no judge of character.
But she is not alone.
YY_Sima Qian
@Chris: The political party Rodrigo Duterte hails from was founded on nominally socialist democratic & democratic socialist principles, but had been shifting right for years, & under Duterte it had morphed into a monstrosity via synthesis of life wing populist rhetoric and right wing populist policies.
sab
@YY_Sima Qian: Yikes. Not on mine either.
Bupalos
@sab: great, now we just need to find some more Northern Buckeyes.
WaterGirl
Maybe Yoon will be hung or shot, which might give Trump pause when he thinks he might like to impose martial law.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
Back in my intel officer days, I spent time in South Korea and watched first hand how protesters in Seoul operate. They don’t take shit from anybody.
YY_Sima Qian
Fortunately, it seems this gambit was an act of desperation on the part of Yoon:
Jeffrey Lewis had some hilarious running commentary:
Soldiers are now leaving Assembly Hall. I am going to sleep, slightly reassured.
Rose Judson
@YY_Sima Qian: Rest well.
Just added an update on the situation for we Jackals still in workday hours.
Gloria DryGarden
@raven: we need such a law here.
Another Scott
@Baud:
Yonhap – about 35 minutes ago:
All martial law troops leave parliamentary building: Assembly speaker
Things seem to be moving very, very quickly. And the good guys and gals are standing up.
Best wishes,
Scott.
AnthroBabe
@Spanky:
Autogolpe was the word of the year in 1992 in Peru with Fujimorazo
We should be taking careful notes here!
Spanky
Welp, guess that answers the question I posed back at 75. Now back to all things Hunter Biden.
Chris
@Spanky:
Just went to the CNN “live updates!” feed on the South Korea story. Literally the second post down:
You literally can’t parody this shit.
(Don’t worry. The article just above it is much more substantial: “Instability in South Korea could impact the U.S. both geopolitically and economically, CNN military analyst says.” Well, now we have a firm grasp of the obvious…)
davek319
@Steve LaBonne: snark font!
Geminid
@Chris: I’m not surprised U.S. officials are slow to respond. They are preoccupied with keeping the ceasfire in Lebanon from collapsing while figuring out what to do about the suddenly revived Syrian civil war.
And our ambassador in Seoul might have passed on a correct appraisal that Yoon’s coup would flop.
Kirk
More background.
from https://bsky.app/profile/heesoojang.bsky.social who says:
The article he links is here.
Another Scott
The President backed down. His future is in even more doubt now.
Reuters.com:
[ womp, womp ]
The Won is already recovering.
Best wishes,
Scott.
Gregory
On BlueSky, @sarahjeong , a Korean-American journalist who happened to be in Seoul last night, has been liveblogging the protests.