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MTG, Gosar, et. al. seem fairly crazy, but Nancy Mace seems to be the one Republican Member of Congress where crazy is a way of life:

A man has been arrested, and Nancy Mace is wearing a wrist brace and shoulder sling after the South Carolina congresswoman said she was “physically accosted” in a Capitol office building on Tuesday afternoon.

Mace claims she was “was physically accosted at the Capitol” by “a pro-tr*ns man.”

“One new brace for my wrist and some ice for my arm and it’ll heal just fine,” Mace wrote on X. “Your tr*ns violence and threats on my life will only make me double down.” […]

Three attendees told The Imprint that McIntyre, 33, had done nothing more than shake the Mace’s hand and exchange a few words. Mace is a co-chair of the bipartisan foster care caucus, and she spoke at the event.

Elliott Hinkle, a youth LGBTQ+ rights advocate, told The Imprint that McIntyre shook Mace’s hand and made a comment that the many transgender youth in foster care “need your support.”

“From what I saw, it was a normal handshake and interaction that I would expect any legislator to expect from anyone as a constituent,” Hinkle said, adding that an aide to Mace later tracked McIntyre down and asked for his name and to repeat his comments to the representative. Two other witnesses corroborated his description of events.

Who knows what happened, but her former comms director has weighed in:

Accidentally (not really) Like a Martyr

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  2. 2.

    raven

    The days slide by

    Should have done,

    should have done, we all sigh

    Never thought I’d ever be so lonely

    After such a long, long time

    Time out of mind

  3. 3.

    Old School

    I’ve acted like I’m in pain after a child has shaken my hand, but I’ve never taken it to the next level and added a sling.

    I hope she releases the doctor’s report.

  5. 5.

    Juju

    If I were a nasty person I’d say she looks like she’s posing for pictures for some women in slings fetish website.

  8. 8.

    Belafon

    I love (detest) her attempt to make trans be the new n-word with the *. I would ask her how to pronounce it.

  10. 10.

    Melancholy Jaques

    @TBone:

    I don’t know Will Stancil at all, but I am increasingly intolerant of people who say shit like this:

    This discrepancy is largely of Democrats’ own making.

    Yes, yes. I’m sure it’s all our fault. Please go fuck yourself, please.

  13. 13.

    tam1MI

    @Melancholy Jaques: In all fairness, it’s pretty clear from context that Stancil was referring to elected Dems.

    And I do tend to agree with him that the Cult of the Savvy is going to be the death of the party.

  14. 14.

    FluxAmbassador

    My dad – staunch Republican – used to lie like this. It didn’t matter if something did or did not happen but it COULD HAVE happened so he’s correct to responding as if it had.

    Some activist or another COULD HAVE assaulted Mace so she thinks herself completely in the right for play acting as if it did happen. The next step will be her inevitable claim that it was all “satire” at the expense of trans people.

  18. 18.

    hells littlest angel

    Any more, when I hear Nancy Mace’s name, I think that while it is very rare for a woman to falsely claim to have been raped, it is maybe just a little bit less rare among southern white women.

  19. 19.

    brantl

    I don’t know about that arm, but I think that forehead is getting ready to explode. And that picture looks like the view through a door peephole.

  20. 20.

    UncleEbeneezer

    Nicholas Grossman nails one of the main problems with the dream of a Progressive Version of Rightwing Media/Our Own Joe Rogan:

    Funding progressive media might be a good idea for its own sake, but the result will be criticism of the Democrats, not pro-Democrat propaganda and loyalty enforcement.

  22. 22.

    Belafon

    The reason her wrist was injured is that her body reacted violently to someone asking her to be concerned about the wellbeing of others.

  25. 25.

    tobie

    Gosh, after reading this story, I don’t want to hear anything ever again about Dem messaging. Nancy Mace is a shock jock, an agit-prop actor, and the rightwing base and low-info voter eat her crap up. Someone recently said that Americans are the least serious voters. It’s not interests that motivate them but the vibes, the laughs (always at someone else’s expense), the kicks. I don’t think Dems are awful. They make mistakes but the party as a whole tries hard to govern, to pass legislation, to ensure some measure of equality. It’s just that this is not what folks want until a pandemic or an economic depression hit. Till that time, well, the public is here for the laughs at the less fortunate.

  27. 27.

    Birdie

    @tobie: All of this. Reading about Nancy Mace yesterday, I thought it was pathetic and desperately thirsty, but I’m not the target. No question in my mind that it would work with Republican voters. They know this isn’t true or real. But they like this. Especially from a woman this begging for attention probably makes them feel powerful.

  28. 28.

    West of the Rockies

    Fuck her and her would-be pouty-sexy victimhood.   Does she wear a black cocktail dress on the House floor?

  29. 29.

    George

    @FluxAmbassador: ​
     You are spot-on.

    Mace, like others in the elected MAGA world, is at minimum a malignant narcissist and possibly a psychopath. They get traction because they know their claims/lies–no matter how outrageous–will never been investigated fully, if at all.

    They construct a false world in which they can do and say whatever they want, and thereby increase their own influence while simultaneously feeding their low-grade sadism by harming defenseless people. As long as there are flying monkeys willing to assist them, MAGA psychopaths will thrive.

  30. 30.

    Mai Naem mobile ¹

    I just this woman at some point will make a misstep and take it too far and then just  implode in her own bullshit. And then years later you’ll either see her on CSPAN at some fringe anti LGBTQ event or her pic on a realtors for sale sign. A pic where you’ll tell yourself ‘Nancy Mace, that name sounds familiar and the face kinda looks familiar from some way back scandal….’

  31. 31.

    lowtechcyclist

    @Old School:

    IOW, no doctor, paramedic, or other medical professional suggested that she needs a sling, nor did any such person prescribe or recommend the use of a sling.  She had someone go to CVS or Walgreens and buy her the sling that she’s now wearing.  And that’s the sole ‘evidence’ that anyone did her any harm.

    I can’t believe a judge was suckered by this bullshit.

  33. 33.

    Bill Arnold

    Nancy Mace forgot to use her alt twitter account (or one of them, if she has more than one alt) when replying to a couple of her own tweets about her “injury” resulting from an “assault”. She mixed up pronouns, using “her” instead of “my”, for example.
    She is a liar, and should be arrested for a false police report, IMO, and sued for causing a false arrest.
    From 2021:
    CAUGHT: ‘Antifa Graffiti’ Matches GOP Rep’s Handwriting – Nancy Mace should resign for faking an “Antifa attack” on her own home. (Frances Langum — June 2, 2021)

  34. 34.

    Betty

    I remember when Nancy came bursting into the National Prayer Breakfast announcing she was late because she had been having sex with her boyfriend. Hard to get more desperate for attention than that. The media should consider all her actions in light of that kind of nonsense.

  35. 35.

    Betty Cracker

    For me, what makes it extra infuriating is that Mace portrays herself as a martyr for sticking up for women. She’s a bully who claims victimhood, every damn time. No matter what the issue, when she gets criticized for stupid and/or outrageous actions, she claims her critics are sexist and whines about other women not rushing to her defense. Meanwhile, she’s as much a “feminist” as Donald Trump or Pete Hegseth.

  40. 40.

    Elizabelle

    I like Reuters’ headline on this one:
    US Capitol Police arrest suspect that Representative Nancy Mace says attacked her
    and this from their very short article:

    Others described a different version of events involving McIntyre, an activist in foster care policy issues.
    “I want to express deep disappointment in the fact that Congresswoman Nancy Mace came to a national foster youth event, told participating youth that it was a safe space – and literally had one of them arrested by Capital police for simply shaking her hand and asking about trans rights,” Lisa Dickson, an advocate for foster youth from Ohio, said in a Facebook post.

    I will put up the WaPost story gift link next.  They make it quite clear, the police responded to what a member of Congress said happened.

  42. 42.

    mrmoshpotato

    I hope the people who cast votes for her are satisfied with being represented by a crazy bitch who most definitely doesn’t give a shit about their actual needs.

  44. 44.

    John S.

    @lowtechcyclist:

    I can’t believe a judge was suckered by this bullshit.

    If anything, the last decade has taught me that judges love to get suckered by bullshit. That’s practically a job description of the current SCOTUS.

  45. 45.

    Chief Oshkosh

    @Elizabelle:

    “I want to express deep disappointment in the fact that…
     

    OMFG, just use plain language: “Nancy Mace lied about being assaulted. She is a liar who is getting people hurt and she ENJOYS having that power.”

    FFS, just be plain, simple, clear.

  47. 47.

    Elizabelle

    Long excerpts from the WaPost article — and here is a gift link, so you can read it in full yourself.  They are not out over their skis; it is very clear that this all followed what Mace said.  There does not seem to be any further corroboration.  Their headline is:

    Foster advocacy group denies that arrested member assaulted Rep. Nancy Mace

    The foster advocacy group says the man simply shook hands with the congresswoman.

    I could not find a copy of the US Capitol Police report.  Could one of you find it??

    In an account of the incident filed Wednesday in D.C. Superior Court, police said a member of Congress reported that McIntyre “took her hand with both of his hands and shook her arm up and down in an exaggerated, aggressive hand shaking motion” that lasted three to five seconds.

    According to the charging document, she told police that she tried to withdraw her arm but could not and that “she was experiencing pain in her wrists, arm and armpit/shoulder due to the incident.” She declined medical treatment, the responding officer wrote.
    ….  The arrest startled a foster-care advocate from Wyoming who said in an interview that they had witnessed the exchange. Elliott Hinkle said they were standing near McIntyre when he reached out his hand and Mace reached out hers. Hinkle said McIntyre used both hands to shake the congresswoman’s hand.

    “What we witnessed was a handshake, a passionate shake, but it didn’t look like an assault or intended aggression,” Hinkle said, referencing several people they said also saw the encounter. They said McIntyre told Mace, “Trans youth are also foster youth, and they need your support.”
    …  [Mace] posted an update Wednesday morning, saying President-elect Donald Trump called her “to check up on me.” She posted: “I’m going to be fine just as soon as the pain and soreness subside. January 20th can’t come soon enough,” referring to Trump’s inauguration.

    A spokesperson for Mace’s office did not respond to a request for comment.

    McIntyre was held overnight Tuesday at the D.C. jail complex.
    ….  April Curtis, chair of Alexandria-based Foster Care Alumni of America, said the allegations and arrest stunned advocates, many of them young people, who came to Washington to celebrate the 25th anniversary of the passage of a law that expanded federal support for foster care.

    “People are told it’s safe to come here and educate and advocate,” Curtis said, “and you shake someone’s hand and you’re accused of assaulting them.” She said numerous people she talked with provided versions consistent with Hinkle’s.

    In a statement, Capitol Police said the incident occurred shortly before 6 p.m. and was reported to the agency by a congressional staffer.
    ….  Hinkle said Mace, who co-chairs the congressional Caucus on Foster Youth, spoke at the reception, telling attendees she looked forward to working with them.

    Given Mace’s posture on transgender rights, Hinkle said, they were taken aback to see her in attendance. The event drew a number of advocates for the LGBTQ+ community, which is overrepresented among foster youths.

    As she headed for the exit, Hinkle said, McIntyre approached Mace and said “hello.” McIntyre did not appear angry as he interacted with Mace, Hinkle said, adding that “her face when she first saw him appeared welcoming.”

    After the contested handshake, Hinkle said, McIntyre returned to his seat, and the congresswoman left. Hinkle said that a short time later, one of Mace’s aides approached McIntyre and asked for his name and what message he had. Hinkle said McIntyre repeated what he had told Mace and the aide left.

    [The Capitol police arrived shortly after.  McIntyre had left the room; they arrested him outside.]

    It could not be determined whether the encounter was captured on video or whether there is a surveillance camera in the room where the reception was held.

  48. 48.

    prostratedragon

    We’ll see whether this makes a difference anywhere [my bold]:

    An FBI informant accused of lying about the Biden family has cut a plea deal with special counsel David Weiss, the prosecutor who led the criminal probe into Hunter Biden.

    Alexander Smirnov is set to plead guilty to four charges, including tax evasion and obstructing justice by providing false information to the FBI, according to a court filing in California on Thursday.

    This will likely end Weiss’ investigation. The special counsel led the prosecution against Hunter Biden, who was convicted of tax and firearms charges. President Biden issued a pardon for his son before he was scheduled to be sentenced this month.

  49. 49.

    lgerard

    If Nancy is going to insist on her House floor bathroom bill I would suggest someone file a bill along these lines:

    The Sergeant at Arms shall be required to conduct a visual genital inspection of all those who wish to use said bathrooms in order to insure that they are using the correct facilities.

    That should satisfy her.

  50. 50.

    Hildebrand

    @tobie: Exactly.  It’s the same damn grotesque double standard we see played out every single day.  Democrats have to be perfect, Republicans can literally just make shit up, and still the Democrats get blamed for not doing it right, or at least not right enough (especially by theoretically fellow Democrats).

  51. 51.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    @mrmoshpotato:

    I hope the people who cast votes for her are satisfied with being represented by a crazy bitch who most definitely doesn’t give a shit about their actual needs.

    My guess is such voters consider that a feature, not a bug.

  52. 52.

    Elizabelle

    This incident either happened, or it did not.  I hope it blows up in Mace’s face, if she misstated the episode.

  55. 55.

    WTFGhost

    Someone needs to find the clip from Hardware Wars where the Obi-Wannabe goes all “oh, don’t worry, just go on without me!” and the rest of the crew all turn around in contempt “aw, martyr, yeah, let’s go” because everyone could *tell* he was just playing it up for sympathy.

    Then Truth it in Nance Mace’s face like, uh, mace, every time she types anything.

  59. 59.

    gene108

    @UncleEbeneezer:

    The biggest difference between right-wing media and any potential left-wing, maybe pro-Democrat media, is right-wing media only has to appeal to white resentment at a changing world.

    A liberal media equivalent would have to appeal to blacks, white liberals, Asians, some Hispanics, LGBTQ+ people, environmentalists, etc. and sometimes the priority of one group doesn’t align with the priorities of other groups.

    Right-wing media only has to fuel white resentment against a changing world.

  62. 62.

    oldgold

    My guess is she is positioning herself to primary Lindsey Graham.

    She is more evidence that what Congressman James Petigru of South Carolina said in1860 is still true:  “South Carolina is too small for a republic and too large for an insane asylum.”

  63. 63.

    WTFGhost

    @lowtechcyclist: You’re seeing it from the wrong direction. Mace has a right to level an accusation; whether the police were right to arrest her or not is one of those non-questions. Cops *can* arrest if they *think* the law has been broken. And having made an arrest, certain things must happen; a process must be gone through, and it will involve judges who must perform the performative parts. Then the DA or whomever has to decide if the evidence warrants charges, etc., and, that process must play out, because even if Mace is lying, she deserves the full protection of the law, which includes investigation of wrongdoing against her. (Note how this should nullify “Stand Your Ground” which also destroys equal protection.)

    One thing that might happen, is, Mace might “generously” decide not to press charges, with the glare that says “helpless tranny, I can hurt you!” because she really just wanted to pretend to be attacked by transfolk, and who cares if a tranny loses their freedom temporarily and are put in fear for far worse? If that were the case – obviously, all speculative –  I’d hope she gets Smartmaticked and RubyShayed all at the same time, if that serves the name of justice.

  64. 64.

    Elizabelle

    It was probably a big deal to be invited to a reception at the Rayburn House Office Building.  And this guy from Illinois spent the night in jail, on a Member of Congress’s allegation.

  66. 66.

    sentient ai from the future

    This shitgoblin is threatening media outlets with defamation.

     

    Someone light the wonkette-signal!

  70. 70.

    Harrison Wesley

    So that’s why Trump doesn’t want to talk about trans issues – because he’s afraid they’ll twist his arm?

  71. 71.

    WTFGhost

    @Elizabelle: The police report will *only* include the information needed to make the arrest. Remember: she didn’t cry out in pain, drawing the police, who demanded to know what happened. She made a report to the police. The police aren’t going to take random witness statements under those circumstances.

    Now, with no evidence that a crime occurred, no charges should be filed, and, the DA or whomever should be hearing from the witnesses just in case they’re going to consider filing charges anyway.

    Okay, but, that won’t be in the arresting officer’s report. Witness statements would be sought if the cops came to Mace’s crying out in pain, but not to a complaint filed later. How could the cops know the witnesses saw the event, if the cops didn’t arrive while it was happening, to see who was there?

  73. 73.

    Baud

    @WTFGhost:

    Yeah, cops aren’t supposed to decide that a particular victim is lying because she belongs to a political party, even though we feel pretty solid in not trusting Mace’s account.

  75. 75.

    Elizabelle

    FWIW:  here is a bio with photo of James McIntyre.

    And.  Stay classy, Nancy Mace.  From a good article in The Imprint (Youth and Family News):

    Questioned about what happened by an Imprint reporter in the hallway outside her office Wednesday, a defiant Rep. Mace declined to be interviewed.

    “No,” she said briskly, before ducking through a doorway. “F*** those lunatics. That’s my comment.”

    She wore her right arm in a sling as she walked through the Capitol today, and published her opposition to “corporate media” and social justice activists on social media. “Nobody will twist my arm (literally) or break me into bowing to leftwing extremists. #HoldTheLine,” she posted.

    Rep. Danny Davis was in the room when alleged incident happened; he was not aware of any commotion.  GOP Rep Don Bacon had attended the event briefly, but was quick to say neither he nor any of his staff were present at the time.

    Davis’s take, per The Imprint:

    Danny Davis, a Democratic representative for the Chicago area who is one of the most active legislators on foster care issues, described McIntyre as a “delightful gentleman” he’d known for years, and said he “felt terrible” about the ugly turn of events on Tuesday.

    Davis was also in the room when Mace and McIntyre shook hands, and while he didn’t see them meet and said he was sitting on the other side of the room, he heard no commotion.

    “I was surprised when I heard this morning that something had taken place,” he said, adding that it was “pitiful” McIntyre had to spend the night in jail.

    “Not being close enough to have seen, only going from what I heard, all I know is: I know Mr. McIntyre to be a tremendous advocate for foster youth and for transgender youth,” Davis said. “And he’s just a gentleman. I was thrown back. My heart goes out to him.”

  76. 76.

    TBone

    In 2014, Vera Scroggins (who later turned out to be a nut job regarding woo health and vaccines, etc. but that’s another story) was banned from almost her entire hometown here in PA because she had the temerity to shine a light on the damage and death fracking was causing in her locale.

     A Pennsylvania judge could rule as early as this week on whether to modify his five-month-old injunction banning an anti-fracking activist from approaching lands leased by a Texas-based natural gas producer that effectively prohibits her from visiting the local hospital or grocery store.

    …

    Cabot leases about 40 percent of the land in Susquehanna County, where Scroggins lives, and the broad scope of the company’s holding, coupled with the exclusion zone, made much of the county along Pennsylvania’s northern border off-limits to her.

    …

    …a drilling advocate from neighboring Wayne County, called Scroggins “a public menace” for her fracking tours that included celebrity activists and various public officials. Vic Furman of Shenango Forks, New York, claimed that Scroggins, who shoots video to document the activities of the fracking industry, was feeding the public “misinformation.” Scroggins, a short, grey-haired grandmother, greeted Furman cheerily before the hearing. His curt response: “Please stay away from me.” Scroggins said at a news conference after the hearing that she would not stop her activism against gas fracking, no matter what the court said.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/anti-fracking-activist-banned-pennsylvania-land-heads-court-040127457–finance.html

  78. 78.

    Elizabelle

    @WTFGhost:  Thank you.  Appalling the guy was sent to jail, though.

    Maybe they’re on hair trigger after the United Healthcare CEO shooting?

  83. 83.

    Shalimar

    @FluxAmbassador: My mom lies this brazenly now (“no, you are clearly not wearing a Depends, because you’re naked and it isn’t invisible”), but in her defense, she has dementia.

  85. 85.

    Parfigliano

    I have never believed that she was raped years ago.  Don’t believe this “attack” either.

  88. 88.

    Professor Bigfoot

    @UncleEbeneezer: I want to understand WHY that is?

    MSNBC was supposed to be the Fox of the “left,” and what do they do?

    Criticize Democrats.

    Almost like there’s a generalized hate for Democrats.

    From EVERYONE.

  90. 90.

    Jeffro

    America, when both Kevin McCarthy and Adam Kinzinger (who loathe each other, but have seen Mace in action/up close) both tell y’all repeatedly that Nancy Mace is nuts and they hope she gets some help soon, you know she’s nuts.

  92. 92.

    Geminid

    @oldgold: That’s if Graham runs again. He might not. In fact I don’t think he will.

    But regardless, Mace wants that Senate seat, and whoever wins the Republican primary will get it.

  93. 93.

    Elizabelle

    @Professor Bigfoot:  I can’t watch it!  Agree re MSNBC.  A few (I am told) good evening shows does not make up for their tack of constant criticizing, belittling, and giving a mic to known liars for “balance.”

  95. 95.

    Skippy-san

    Everything about Nancy Mace is a fraud. From her experience at The Citadel to her 10-year quest to run for office in South Carolina to her term in Congress. She did this routine before claiming that ANTIFA people made graffiti on her house only to be exposed as a lie.

    She remains unfit to be in Congress or wear a Citadel Ring.

  96. 96.

    WTFGhost

    @Chief Oshkosh: Some of us “think out loud” and don’t want to say “this crazy bitch is a lying liar who lies” because, to us, that’s not thinking, that’s *concluding*. There’s a place for plain language, for sure, but also a place for careful, thoughtful, “let me absorb everything I can learn, before I say, for sure, that X_event happened (even though most of us were 95% sure day 1, 99.99% sure by day 2…).”

    My humble opinion of course, and if you don’t like it, well, I have others.

  98. 98.

    TBone

    As predicted by several jackals here:  Amazon has a Help Wanted ad up for 

    Executive Protection Manager, Protective Service Operations

    The job description says the ideal candidates are cops law enforcement with people skills.

  99. 99.

    Professor Bigfoot

    @Harrison Wesley: But the point remains, doesn’t it?

    These media outlets and media personalities are predisposed to hating Democrats, aren’t they? Even the ones that weren’t supposed to be.

    My point, as my man Baud gets– the Democrats are perceived as the party of Black people, and are hated as such.

  100. 100.

    Dave

    @Elizabelle: She almost (that almost is the last gasps of my liberal heart trying to hold onto epistemic integrity) certainly did. I am not a clinician but I’m fairly sure she would be clinically diagnosable though I’m comfortable saying she is a contemptible attention seeking waste of space.

  101. 101.

    WTFGhost

    @Professor Bigfoot: Well, there *is* one problem with a Fox-Left. Fox is not a journalistic source; it’s a propaganda source, that sometimes performs journalism.

    They will always report things to try to make Democrats look bad, even if they have to lie. This might be direct criticism, or, it might be showing as many crime stories as they can pack into each segment to make it look like crime is out of control, and Biden is lying about it.

    And they will always report things to try to make Republicans in good graces look good, even if they have to lie, ignore major news stories, lie more, ignore more damning information, lie like a cheap rug that’s a knockoff of a cheap Persian rug that is itself a knockoff of some wall to wall carpet once installed by a company that was named Persian Rugs because the owner thought it sounded cool.

    Yeah. They’ll lie *just* like that. Once you’ve heard a lie told like that, you *never* forget that type of lie again.

    Where was I? Right: *some* parts could be replicated. Report the stories that will get people pissed off at Republicans, or think Republicans all wear clown shoes and dunce caps (or should be *forced* to!), or make Republicans look heartless, or report on shortages of health care, people whose lives could be saved cheaply dying, EVERY woman who dies from lack of abortion protection at the federal level, and Schiavo the ever living FUCK out of every Republican over every single one of them, no matter how cold, heartless, and thoughtless you’d have to be, to level such heat at another human being.

    Um. So, you wanna hear how I really feel, or…

    (Oh: I did mean that you should channel *Michael* Schiavo, when I say you should “Schiavo…” them. The man whose name was dragged through the mud so Republicans could get their jollies.)

    That’s not easy. People feel icky doing stuff like that. That’s why they go into politics, instead of general-level advertising, because we don’t need people to think Progresso soups are filled with liberal cooties, so eat Campbell’s instead.

    Yes, I know, the *loss* of the ick factor is a *big deal*.

    Then, a liberal Fox would praise everything a Democrat did, even if it was stone cold stupid, stone cold heartless, and stone… uh… sorry, stones have complained, I have to stop using that expression.

    EVERYTHING. If Biden cuts a fart, it was the fart heard round the world, the best episode of presidential flatus (unaccompanied by gouts of fecal matter, sorry, Don!) *EVER*.

    Again – that’s majorly icky for liberals. Not the example subject matter, which will make the immature hide their giggles under a scowl – I mean the idea of just *praising* everything, up to, and included, where needed, his farts.

    In point of fact, there’s usually an aide whose duties include claiming the blame for any unidentified body noises, so any laughter is directed at the fall guy, not the big guy. But do we really want to make this aide’s job *important*?

    Um. I’m using medical marijuana so, if I’m more flippant or less mature than normal, please excuse that.

  103. 103.

    eemom

    @Professor Bigfoot:

    Good  evening. Would just like to say I really appreciated all your comments about white supremacy on the morning thread (which I didn’t see until it was over) and now on this one.

    You’ve been saying exactly what I’ve been thinking/feeling about this monstrosity of an election and what so many good folks* here refuse to confront.

    *Not ALL good folks 😁

  104. 104.

    WTFGhost

    @Parfigliano: Um. Saying you don’t believe her, for me, crosses a line. Not a “big red line,” just a, “ew, don’t step there, it’s icky!”

    Now: to show my contempt for Nancy Mace, I’ll say this: if someone told her “well, if you have sex, an decide the next day you didn’t like it you can cry rape!” – and let’s say she *did* have sex with a primo-jerk, and felt ill used. Do I believe she *could* have used such an event to claim rape, the next day? I hate to believe it, but I can’t discount the possibility. The idea that a LIEBERAL might do it sometimes excuses a teeny-tiny fib.

    Wow. You can see how I refuse to step over the line of “I don’t believe her,” and why I was discussing it as *my* line, not necessarily yours, right?

    And now, if you’ll excuse me….

    (takes deep, deep breath, swishes one part Dave’s Insanity Sauce to 12 parts water, only through the front of the mouth, to conclusively get the taste of speaking about Nancy (spit) Mace out of the mouth)

    (Runs to rinse with and gulp milk before anyone notices the tears :-) )

  107. 107.

    Old School

    @WTFGhost:

    Um. I’m using medical marijuana, if I’m more flippant or less mature than normal, please excuse that.

    I don’t think anyone noticed.

  109. 109.

    Brant Lamb

    I suggest that as many people call her “Nancy (What a Nancy!) Mace. I suspect that will get under her skin, and also be memorable.

     

    No offense to anybody else named Nancy; it just seems she has the most appropriate name.

  111. 111.

    Ruckus

    @tobie:

    Republicans weren’t always like this. Sure their policies and principles were less than stellar (OK far less) but they at least seemed to work within a set of principles that had at least some semblance of rational.

    Today? They seem to be like a child’s club, play acting. And they are so good at it that it’s obvious if one’s eyes, ears and brain are open the very least possible. (Yes that is SNARK)

  112. 112.

    Dan B

    @UncleEbeneezer: So, because people might say bad things about a progressive Joe Rogan we should not even try to build a progressive media.  Hmmm.  How many respectful words have we heard about right wing media?  Hmmm.  It doesn’t seem to have deterred the right wing.  The impact on Americans has been terrible so…. we shouldn’t push back because, horrors, bad mean words!!

  113. 113.

    MagdaInBlack

    @UncleEbeneezer: I listen to a progressive radio station in Chicago. They do not spend all their time bashing Democrats. Most of what they do is tell us what Democrats ARE doing, debunking conservative talking points with facts, and currently they are talking about how to fight back and support each other

    ( disregarding the Thom Hartmann show, because Thom gonna Thom)

  114. 114.

    WaterGirl

    @TBone:

    When you post a link you’re pretty much telling people you think that is worth reading.

    If you’re gonna post something from someone who some people think is full of shit, don’t be surprised that you get pushback.

  115. 115.

    Another Scott

    @Brant Lamb: Meh.

    My mom was a Nancy.

    I think there are some Nancys here as well.

    It’s a good name.

    Made me look though.

    A review of her book about being one of the first women at The Citadel:

    […]

    I recall, when I first decided I wanted to read this book(which has been some time), that I respected her for what she had done. I still do, both as a cadet and a female cadet. I just wish that what I had hoped to read about had actually been included in her book. One thing that left me with a bad taste in my mouth was her continued insistance that she “had no idea” what she had done to invoke the ire of people, many people, throughout the book. I simply do not believe that assertion. If she truly believes that, she is either the most naive person ever, or she is being intellectually dishonest with herself. For the record, I do not condone the way she was treated or sympathize with those that held that opinion of her at all. But at the least, I understand what they based their mis-treatment of her on.

    […]

    (Emphasis added.)

    The book came out in 2001. She’s 47 now, so she was pretty young to have a big book out like that.

    Trailblazers are important and often suffer a lot. But we hope and expect, if they’re good people, that they learn from their experience and help to make things better for folks that follow. She, obviously, has no intention to do that. And that makes her a monster as much as any man in a similar position.

    Grr…

    Thanks.

    Best wishes,
    Scott.

  117. 117.

    artem1s

    @MagdaInBlack: remember, according the GOP facts have a liberal bias. the only thing a ‘progressive’ media outlet has to do to be considered liberal and pro-Democrat is report the facts. what are the call letters of that station in Chicago? It would be nice to listen to some news programming that is fact based and not propaganda. I’ll bet it sounds a lot like NPR did before they became a wholly owned subsidiary of Koch Industries.

  119. 119.

    Dan B

    @gene108: I’d posit that what liberals / leftists have as a core talking point is we want people to be treated fairly.  Tim Walz framed it well as, “Mind your own damn business.”  We don’t have to do the right’s job: divide and conquer.  Sure there are racist gays.  There are homophobic people of color.  But there are Jews who are champions of civil rights.  There are wealthy liberals who feel that we’re all better off if government steps in to help people and communities who have fallen on hard times.  There are poor people who want government to be more efficient.  Our nirth star is: Treat people fairly and call on government to help when our other institutions cannot.  And all the interest groups you name want the government to keep out of their private affairs and community standards.

  121. 121.

    brantl

    @JPL:

    Mace will release the report as soon as the president releases his report about the bullet the glazed his ear.

    An amazing glaze?

  122. 122.

    Skippy-san

    @Another Scott: Don’t forget that the big thing people held against her was that she was a transfer student and did not complete the full four-year program.  Her father, being the Commandant, did not help, and the fact that she was a transfer student allowed her to graduate “first” even though folks like Petra earned far more respect.

  125. 125.

    WTFGhost

    @Omnes Omnibus: Criticize or dispute? Have I been doing that?

    I’ve been almost trickster-like in *not* criticizing, and humanizing, as best as I can. “*I* could do this, I know, because I have in the past,” etc..

    When I said an idea crossed a line, I used a “literary device” called “hyperbole” to show that I was “cray-cray” on the issue, so, another person could laugh at my antics. Trickster, see?

    Then they could go forward, aware that for some people, “I don’t believe her” is an ick line. When they encounter it, they’re a bit more ready. They will encounter it!

    Further, they might understand why *they* (not why *I*) would consider it an ick line, and start saying “that actually is a bit icky for me, and listen, no offense, it’s just…”.

    Now, for criticism/disputing: do I think I’m right about some things? Sure I do. You think you’re right about some things too, and I think that’s called a “comments section”.

    But remember, I’m neurodivergent. If I’m saying that I want to present an idea, odds are, I just want to present an idea. Some of the ideas I present would, I hope, make the world a better place. Do you feel the same way? Sure, but about different things. So I might come off as extremely weird to you, because I’m very different, and care about such *very* different topics.

    Well, it’s okay to be different. It’s okay to disagree. I’m just trying to express the differences in the way that *I* think would help bridge the gap, if a gap can be bridged, and trust me, I know I can be annoying. (I was third-eldest – I learned to be *really* annoying. But I try not to be *unintentionally* so.)

    So: if I’m actually being *annoying*, unintentionally, I’ll listen, but, remember, third-eldest, I’m used to everyone telling me everything I do is wrong, so, I really need to understand the *annoyance* – the pain factor, why I should trust sis&bro *this* time, that I’m really messing up; why pie isn’t enough.

  126. 126.

    TBone

    @WaterGirl: if “please go fuck yourself, please” is now deemed acceptable as “pushback,” well, alrighty then!  Seems similar to sanewashing.

    I am not surprised about derogatory comments, hence my pre-disclaimer. I figure Will is slightly less of an asshole than Nancy and deserves a teensy bit more oxygen than she does.

    Right now the prevailing ethos in DC is “Trump won so the law is immaterial and he can rule as dictator.” He’s not allowed to appoint his own FBI director, but everyone has decided to let him. He can’t unilaterally create an agency for Elon Musk, but we’re just going to treat it as real. Appalling.

  127. 127.

    Subsole

     

    @Melancholy Jaques:

    This shit right here is why I ain’t marching, protesting, donating, or anything else but voting. Assuming that still matters anymore.

    Fuck these people. Fuck every goddamn useless asshole in this useless fucking country who has decided to use us as their personal punching bag because it’s easier to beat up on the people who care about you than it is to face the folks actively screwing you.

    Fuckem. They can go march all they like. We all know they ain’t gonna protest in front of a Republican. They never fucking do.

  128. 128.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @TBone: Why do you assume the “go fuck yourself” was aimed at you and not at the person who made the block quoted statement right before the autoerotic suggestion, i.e., Stancil?

  130. 130.

    lowtechcyclist

    @WTFGhost: I think I’m looking at it just fine, thanks. Because our system is supposed to protect the rights of the accused as well. He was thrown in jail overnight. Based on what?!  One woman’s claim that she’d been attacked.

    And something less than kicking the accused out of the city of Washington, DC should have sufficed to protect Mace, assuming she was in danger.

  131. 131.

    Subsole

     

     

    @Professor Bigfoot:

    Worse: we’re seen as the party of Race Traitors.

    The only thing they hate more than black folks, is white folks who don’t hate black folks. Because it demonstrates that they could, in fact, be better people. And probably get a lot more out of life in the process.

    They hate us because we make them glimpse themselves, however obliquely, and these loud, chest-thumping, self-righteous fucking vermin fold up and crumple under the weight.

    Then call us weak.

  132. 132.

    WTFGhost

    @lowtechcyclist:I feel that what you’re saying proves that abuse of the criminal justice system is a despicable, cowardly, thing to do, with wide ranging harms possible.

    And if you can propose a method to repair it, we’ve been waiting for a couple-some hundred years.

    If Mace is a lawyer, I’d want her to be disbarred, if she lied to officers, to get someone arrested; *then* I’d like to see civil and possible criminal penalties, commensurate with the lie to law enforcement, and the harm to the people.

    But I can’t say that she shouldn’t have been able to complain to officers, and, having given a complaint that would normally result in an arrest, seeing that arrest carried out.

    Part of this is how I’m neurodivergent – to me, I see something like the machinery of justice, see? And I see the merciless “start” position, and to me, the clockwork has to play out, so I’m all “no, it’s not outrageous that this is happening, this has to happen.”

    I’m trying to say “no, no, that’s just the *clockwork*, it’s not outrageous. It’s *EVIL* that it’s happening, EVIL that the clock was wound, but… it’s wound and it has to go.”

    Obviously, I have no idea if that makes any more/better/different sense.

  134. 134.

    apocalipstick

    @Betty: Not exactly. She made a big deal out of her boyfriend wanting a wake-up call, but she put him off because she needed to attend the prayer breakfast.

  135. 135.

    WaterGirl

    @TBone:

    if “please go fuck yourself, please” is now deemed acceptable as “pushback,” well, alrighty then!

    I had only seen your indignation to getting pushback, which is what I responded to.

  137. 137.

    WTFGhost

    @Professor Bigfoot: Heh. I have language processing difficulties, and I’m rehabbing, which makes me more talkative than you might expect.

    When you *can’t* talk (in solitary, living alone, whatever), it’s like a pressure builds up, like the “Social” need in the game The Sims. It becomes easy to be a chatterbox.

    I’ve spent most of my life reminding myself not to dominate a *voice* conversation, but, as long as they aren’t like me (and confuse my Nym for WaterGirl’s – which I do myself!), I should be easy enough to skip.

    Short form: that should have been a blog entry from 2015 or so :-).

  138. 138.

    artem1s

    this might be something the Jackels want to look into if your looking for a way to resist and inform.

    Op Ed Project

    I took one of their seminars and it’s useful info. The point being writing and submitting op eds could be a lot more productive than only crabbing that Dems sux on blogs and social media. I think hand written letters to Reps – even the evils can be impactful as well. sort of like committing to mailing postcards for GOTV.

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