Felt a ton better today, and Joelle called me from work and told me she was taking me out for sushi for Valentines Day, which I had completely forgotten about. I like that the conversation informing me of our plans ended with “you need to wear pants.” Tough, but fair.
In other news, I know everything is grim, but I need all of you to understand it is going to get much worse before it gets better. Mentally pace yourself and prepare for that reality. We have never seen anything like this in our lifetimes, and we are going to have to play it by ear, and we need to be smart and stick together.
I wish I had something more positive to say but I do not.
VFX Lurker
Love you, John. Thank you for building this place and this community.
J. Arthur Crank
If you want to be contrarian, show up at the February 14 event wearing nothing but pants. Then point out you did what you were told to do. On the other hand, you might just want to show up at the event fully dressed. I can see arguments for both sides.
Jay
@J. Arthur Crank:
John, Arthur, it’s a Valentines Day Date and sushi, and Joelle, dress nice, shower first, do trimmage.
Starfish (she/her)
You are wearing pants for Joelle? This is a very real and deep love. I know how hard it is to get you to wear pants. Also, the pants probably should not be the tie dye overalls.
Countme
Sticking together, like on the trains to Auschwitz?
Chacal Charles Calthrop
@J. Arthur Crank: there is an ancient tale told about the “21” club, an old rich NYC restaurant, in the 60’s. A woman diner showed up in a pantsuit, only to be told that the restaurant would not serve women wearing pants. She asked to be excused to the ladies room and returned in only her underwear, stockings and shoes.
She was served wearing her pants.
Elizabelle
Agreed. Pacing ourselves is crucial. For myself, we need to protect federal workers and federal expertise (and research contracts).
Sushi date night sounds wonderful. Enjoy.
Jay
Baud’s influence on this site is insidious,…………………….
NotMax
To be more country neutral, gonna start calling it the Gulf of Vespucci.
//
Lapassionara
@VFX Lurker: Ditto
Elizabelle
Was thinking those tiedye overalls might count as “pants,” but you want to dress as nicely as Joelle expects.
How goes her knee recovery?
J. Arthur Crank
@Chacal Charles Calthrop: I once went to a conference in the Canary Islands. The dining room at the hotel mentioned something about “appropriate attire”. What that actually meant was no shorts for men. Many of the attendees did not bring long pants, since it was the middle of June. After that, I have been a fan of precisely spelled out dress codes.
B1naryS3rf
It’s possible to some extent to mentally prepare for the enshittening. But it’s almost impossible to emotionally prep. If you have three active brain cells in your head and a decent civics education, the monsters are likely gonna upset you more and more and more. And therefore I say, I allow myself to feel rage and fear, but I try to quickly turn my thinking to “What do I need to do to help?”
We are being tested for sure.
Jay
Golfo de Hijo De La Fregada
NotMax
Here’s an insidious thought for any with R Congressfolk.
Call them up and strongly suggest they introduce a bill renaming the nation’s capital to Trumpington, D.C.
If just one of them takes the bait imagine the ensuing firestorm.
Ryan
“It’s always darkest just before it goes totally black”
Urza
We probably have seen something like this in our lifetimes, but American’s don’t pay much attention to other countries having coups.
Gloria DryGarden
I just wrote 5 or 6 more small poems of rage and sweetness, bleak things, and moments of growth or beauty. A tiny sharp bouquet of comments.
we’re still growing food, and eating it. The stars and moon still shine at night. The sky is blue.
ETA one year, I told my new lover that Valentine’s Day was coming up soon, and no matter how anti ceremony he was, he was required to do something valentines- ish.
l think he wrote me a long intellectual poem, that went right over my head. I was delighted, nonetheless.
Sister Golden Bear
John, if you don’t want to wear pants, I’m sure you’d look fetching in a dress. Just sayin…
Me, I’ve already reserved my Valentine’s Day single-person table facing the wall, right next to the kitchen. It’ll be a poly date with me, myself and I.
geg6
My niece had a nice experience on the job the other day. Don’t know if anyone here is watching The Pitt on MAX, but it is set and was partially filmed here in Pittsburgh. It stars Noah Wiley of ER fame and he’s back in the ER on this show but in a very different show. Extremely realistic and set (kinda like 24) in season where each episode is one hour. Very good, based on all my friends and relatives in medical fields. Anyway, my niece works at the Children’s Hospital here as a CNMT. She was setting up her equipment for a kid who’d just come through the ER with a head injury and she saw one of the ER nursing supervisors bringing a small group of people through the department and to the room she was working. Caitlin kept setting up as the group got an explanation of what ground breaking techniques were pioneered there and when she finally looked up, there was Noah Wiley right beside her, watching what she did intently. He told her that he admired people who did what they do there, especially in working with the kids, and thanked her for doing it. She said he was very nice and very cute for an old man (she’s only 23) but she just wanted the whole group out so she could get the patient in because it was a very serious injury. She’s great at her job and what a nice story for her to have in these terrible times.
Chacal Charles Calthrop
@Sister Golden Bear: how are you? Any news?
I read dead threads so I know you’ve been having a fast heartbeat
NotMax
@Gloria DryGarden
A quantity o’ Queen.
;)
twbrandt
My coping strategy:
Jay
@Sister Golden Bear:
Valentine’s Day is for loves, not necessarily lovers.
Gloria DryGarden
@Jay: oh cool. I don’t know much Mexican slang.
hijo de la fregada-
Google tells me this f word substitutes for “groserías”.
So, like “I’ll be,” or “son of a __”. Or like oh shoot: “Mier…coles”
el golfo de miércoles…los Estados Unidos de miércoles. I’m into my South American groserías, like calling people boludos. NSFW.
Just riffing on a few sharp labels and epithets. It could turn into a long collaborative nonsense poem.
I’ve been in a country right after a coup. And I’ve met people abroad, and here, who have lived through coups. They’ve been my students; they’ve taught me, and given me a glimpse.
New Deal democrat
Last night YY Sima Qian left a lengthy comment in the open thread that I didn’t read until today, citing work by an author entitled “Voters were right about the economy, the data was wrong.”
I wanted to reply to that author’s claims at length, and hopefully YY Sima Qian will see this. I want to state emphatically that none of what follows should in any way be seen as an attack on YY Sima Qian.
Article claims are in quotes. My response follows each one.
“Take, as a particularly egregious example, what is perhaps the most widely reported economic indicator: unemployment. Known to experts as the U-3, the number misleads in several ways. First, it counts as employed the millions of people who are unwillingly under-employed — that is, people who, for example, work only a few hours each week while searching for a full-time job.”
That’s the commonly reported unemployment rate, called “U-3.” There is another rate, “U-6,” that *expressly* includes people who who work part time for economic reasons like the example used. It made an all time low of 6.6% in April 2023, but had risen to 7.7% by Election Day – still lower than any time since the turn of the MIllenium except for 2018-19.
“Second, it does not take into account many Americans who have been so discouraged that they are no longer trying to get a job.”
Again, there is another statistic included in the jobs report right along with the unemployment rate. It’s called “Not in Labor Force but Want a Job Now,” that measures exactly this. It equalled 3.5% of the labor force just before the election, lower than the majority of times in the past 30 years, after being close to an all-time low in March 2023.
“Finally, the prevailing statistic does not account for the meagerness of any individual’s income. Thus you could be homeless on the streets, making an intermittent income and functionally incapable of keeping your family fed, and the government would still count you as ‘employed.’”
That’s because, in fact you *would* be employed! Again, in the very same report, we have numbers for average hourly and weekly wages for non-supervisory workers. With the exception of three months, the former (adjusted for inflation) was at an all time high just before the election. The latter was at its highest level in 40+ years except for 2020. We also have statistics that come out quarterly that measure median vs. average earnings, which avoids the distortions of things like lower income people being laid off en masse during the pandemic, and most of those told the same story.
“I don’t believe those who went into this past election taking pride in the unemployment numbers understood that the near-record low unemployment figures — the figure was a mere 4.2 percent in November — counted homeless people doing occasional work as “employed.” But the implications are powerful. If you filter the statistic to include as unemployed people who can’t find anything but part-time work or who make a poverty wage (roughly $25,000), the percentage is actually 23.7 percent. In other words, nearly one of every four workers is functionally unemployed in America today — hardly something to celebrate.”
I’m not sure where he gets the 23.7% figure, but during Biden’s term the lowest two income quintiles had the fastest growth in income they’ve seen in over 20 years. And unless the author can show whether his statistic is better or worse than it typically has been over time, his statistic is meaningless.
So, sorry, no the data weren’t wrong. The data was all right there. But partisans were ignoring other data, that was telling a different story. Like mortgage interest rates, housing prices, and affordability; car prices; and the fact that wage gains were concentrated among people who switched jobs, while people who stayed in the same job for Biden’s entire term saw their wages not keep up with inflation.
Gloria DryGarden
@NotMax: Mr Vespucci,
let’s go down to your beach front home on your charming international gulf, and enjoy that music and good food. Watch the starlight sparkle on the water.
NotMax
@Gloria DryGarden
That’s Wednesday.
Lunes, Martes, Miércoles, Jueves, Viernes, Sábado, Domingo. (N.B.: Traditionally, the days of the week in Spanish are not capitalized.)
Jay
@Gloria DryGarden:
I have been in a couple with revolutions. Civil dissent did not work.
Gloria DryGarden
@NotMax: mierda is shit. They say it all the time, stopping halfway, to make it come out as miércoles, yes Wednesday, a word you can say in front of the ladies, or at work, maybe..
golly.
Sister Golden Bear
On a serious note, while what’s coming is something we’ve never experienced before, it’s worth taking lessons from those who have experienced harsh oppression. LGBTQ+ people, Jews, BIPOC people, especially Black folks. How they endured, how they resisted, and how they refused to let their oppressors kill their spirit.
I’ll let Black folks speak for themselves about that, so I’ll focus on the world I know. In his excellent essay about Pride, Joe.My.God talks about how yes, the first Pride was riot, but also it’s our celebration of ourselves and our defiant survival. It’s our fuck you to the haters.
He closes by saying:
Perhaps you’ve heard the queer joke: They killed off all the nice gays, so now y’all are gonna have to deal with the pissed-off cockroach gays. Let’s be the pissed-off cockroach Americans who take our country back. Who also dance.
Jay
@Gloria DryGarden:
not taco’s, pizza, pasta, antipasto?
Tehanu
Saw this someplace today: Golfo del Gringo Loco.
Gloria DryGarden
@Jay: uuhhh! deep breath. Are you permitted to, inclined to say where?
someone said on blue sky that it may take going beyond civil dissent, here in USA. Mmm.
Bupalos
Here’s a thread that reminds me of this-the thing I like most about BJ is that it seems the most human. Which is probably because it originally sprung from a cantankerous and ideosyncratic former right-winger that isn’t… what you’d expect.
And yet when I see disembodied thoughts (like one does on the interne) I frequently forget that there are actual humans behind them. Well, I guess that’s starting to be an assumption. But still largely true.
To anyone that I’ve responded to as if they are just words on a screen, I’m sorry. I’ll fight this dehumanization machine better, or give it up.
Jay
@Gloria DryGarden:
El Salvador, Nicaragua, Syria.
NotMax
Felt like having a very small nibble with the last glug of coffee in the mug. One cookie brings it down to the last half dozen ginger snaps left of those baked at Xmastime.
Don’t require refrigeration, These suckers last for months when stored in an airtight Ziploc bag. As soft and chewy as when freshly made.
;)
Jay
@NotMax:
Is there honey in them?, that is an old Baker’s trick for keeping baked goods moist.
Gloria DryGarden
@Jay: oh dios. I nearly went to El Salvador instead of Uruguay. My heart would be broken by no, if I had. I mean, even more broken.
my sister went to Nicaragua with a musician contingent, to give away one of her violins. Right in the middle of all that. I spent hours doing protection rituals for her before she went, sent her an amulet, whose protection she said she felt. I tear up talking about it.
Sister Golden Bear
@Chacal Charles Calthrop: Thanks for asking. I’m feeling about the same I did pre-hospital, i.e. just feeling like I’m in a wired near-constant state of fight or flight. ER/hospital tests concluded that there’s no immediate danger, but obviously they do want to get my pulse/blood pressure back down.
tl;dr There’s something that’s causing the lower part of my heart to insert extra beats at seemingly random times, which in turn is causing the extremely high blood pressure. Stress and anxiety are one of the potential triggers — and to me, the most likely one.
Spent today doing a follow up consult and getting other medical stuff rolling. I’m going into get a monitor that’ll I be wearing 24/7 for the next two weeks, then it’ll take another two weeks to be analyzed and get results. Hoping it may shed more light on the causes.
Bupalos
@New Deal democrat: Am I getting this right, that in your estimation Yy was standing up for the idea that the economy “in reality” was better than what “people felt or thought?”
Because that would surprise me a little.
and we need to get away from the idea that the economy ”in reality” is something that CAN be different from the way people feel themselves to experience it.
NotMax
Hm.
Sling streaming service sidestepping?
What used to be a category each February labeled Black History Month is now Black Voices Inspire.
NotMax
@Jay
Supposed to be just molasses but I ran short so used half molasses, half honey.
Gloria DryGarden
@Jay: ojalá. Oh honey, I wish. That would soften me up, like not max’s cookies.
So many diet restrictions, careful reading of labels, and now I have to let go of two more, so I’m going up to 5 ubiquitous foods I get to avoid. Including my very favorite addiction. My food just has to taste good, whatever fusion of flavors, if I eat them in the fucking proper order. Cornless taco filling, no cheese burrito filling, non dairy sugarless flan. Vegetables first. You betcha.
@Sister Golden Bear:
I love this.
And so we shall…
YY_Sima Qian
Van Jackson is always worth a read, even if his cynicism toward the establishment Dems will rankle many here. Much if his post is behind a paywall, so I am excerpting the key parts:
New Deal democrat
@Bupalos: I wanted to be sure that people understood I was criticizing the author, not YY Sima Qian.
NotMax
@Gloria DryGarden
“If I can’t dance, I don’t want to be part of your revolution.”
– rabblerouser Emma Goldman (apocryphal citation)
.
Bupalos
@YY_Sima Qian: I really can’t get through all that without an inducement… and I’m an outlier in patience here. Do a 100 word condensation. Remember, WE’RE THE INTERNET!
Gloria DryGarden
@Bupalos: good for you!
I’ll risk complaints, and drop you some haiku and tanka poem thingies.
______
Speak kind words, my heart,
Voice your desires, make it so;
Something good unfolds.
Your words of affirmation
Open a world of wholeness
_____
Your acts of service
Repair, carry, think with me,
Kept me together
Bupalos
@New Deal democrat: No no I would not stand by idly if I thought you were, that’s my Most Respected Commenter.
forget the personal reference, Just trying to clarify. Because to me THE ECONOMY IS WHAT THE PEOPLE SAY IT IS.
If their response to the data economy doesn’t make sense, we need to rethink what we mean by “the economy.”
frosty
@Bupalos: That was a very nice comment. I have you pied. I toggle the first one or two in every thread and I’m glad I toggled this one. Keep trying.
frosty
@Jay: Dude, you have been everywhere and done everything! I’ve lost track of the jobs, other than the Big Orange.
I hope it was by choice and not by necessity. And especially not from desperation. My week of shifting 100 pound sacks at Manpower was one of those (I weighed 120 maybe).
Kelly
Today was my weeklyish walk on Silver Falls State Park Trail of Ten Falls. Weather was cold and clear. Lots of icicles not many people. I wore my Yaktrax for traction on the icy trail and used ski poles. I only managed a 6 mile loop at the north end. Very quiet and relaxing.
YY_Sima Qian
@New Deal democrat: Thanks for the detailed response, greatly appreciate it! I don’t necessarily agree w/ every piece of analysis in the article, but I think the main thrust I do agree w/ is that the aggregate indicators failed to reflect the precarity of the lives of a majority of Americans, how many people have to work multiple part time jobs w/ no job security to make ends meet, or that much of the large gain in nominal wages was wiped out by inflation, or that inflation in necessities far outpaced (& continues to outpace) the overall CPI. On that I think we are all aligned. You have pointed to other indicators that reflect that less rosy reality.
Unquestionably Biden oversaw an economic recovery, & it is conventional wisdom to run on accomplishments & accentuate the positives, but not if both the campaign’s & Dem partisans’ messaging is significantly out of alignment w/ the lived experiences of the multitudes facing scarcity & precarity, & w/ a platform/program insufficiently attuned to addressing these needs. Unquestionably there was progress for working class Americans during Biden’s term, but which still paled relative to the decades of stagnation & decline, & the triumphalism of the Biden Administration & Dem partisans was out of tune w/ that reality.
Gloria DryGarden
@Bupalos: YY is worth every sentence and paragraph. Yes it’s dense reading. But we are privileged to have his wide range of knowledge and his international point of view.
He illuminates my world with things I didn’t know I needed to know.
And he generously explains the things I do not understand, in a clear fashion, that at the very least gives me enough to know what to google to improve my comprehension.
I could try to sum him up in some haiku, it’d be a good exercise. But I don’t think I could do it Justice.
Btw, his command of English, while living in his culture, and usually speaking his other main language , is nothing short of astonishing. I know how much English I forgot in one year of learning and mostly speaking only spanish. My English vocabulary was in tatters, down to basics, my grammar and spelling and native fluency were gone.
YY_Sima Qian
@Bupalos: I’ll ask DeepSeek to do a summary the next time. :-)
FelonyGovt
@Sister Golden Bear: I’m sure the news is taking a toll. Please take care of yourself.
Gloria DryGarden
@YY_Sima Qian: I’ll be back to read your long things tonight. Economy stuff is a stretch for me, yet I care deeply about our world, and the economic weaving together is a big part of international relations. Thank you in advance.
Gloria DryGarden
@YY_Sima Qian: Jesús Christ! Buddha! Confucious! No!
hijo dé la fregada!
Do as you wish. I prefer a real person, but who knows?
YY_Sima Qian
@Bupalos: My perspective is that if there is a persistent disparity between aggregate economic indicators & popular perceptions, that suggests there is a wide disparity between the winners & losers in the current economy, & that warrants closer study of who the winners & losers are, & whether they are part of your political coalitions, & whether you risk losing the losers from the coalition & what is the prospect of enticing the winners to the coalition, & whether the inevitable trade offs are worth it.
The MSM is only ever good at zooming into individual winner/loser & extrapolating those stories to the whole, occasionally interpreting/misinterpreting the aggregate indicators to support their favored narrative.
Gloria DryGarden
In honor of everyone here looking for how to make it better
My new poetry prompt-
Write how I’d like it be.
Imagine nourishment, right actions,
Imagine goodness sprouts and grows,
The highest good of many, of all,
Harming none.
Let the possible take root
In a bed of sweet fierce goodness And inner strength
So May it be.
Gloria DryGarden
For balance, and in honor of the gods of savory sarcasm:
When I Grow Up I Want To Be An Asshole
When I grow up
I’ll vote for silliness
I’ll vote to please
To appease a bully
I’ll confirm incompetent dangers
I’ll risk the many for just a few.
I’ll tease my voters to believe
In my care; to think that I care
that I’ll plea for their needs.
oh yes,
When I grow up I want to be an asshole.
but I’ll dress well.
I’ll clean up nice.
I’ll clean up real good.
//s
@gloriadrygarden.bsky.social
____
When high percentage
Says block this, stop this, now.
Then We can return home.
_______
And one more, inspired by manya kitty:
No, you clueless fucks,
Republicans voted yes
All the rest said no
( at least on the tulsi gabbard confirmation)
I’ll hush now.
Jay
@frosty:
Orange was necessity, were were unhoused, no income and the bank took the house, the farms and the land. A 2000 RAV 4 is a hard thing to live in with 2 cats.
It was okay at first, I had a good DS, a good Assman, then Covid hit.
I got both burned up, used and shafted.
New Deal democrat
@YY_Sima Qian: Last year I was trying to drive home to people that the economy wasn’t as good for ordinary people as the partisans said it was, especially w/r/t housing. Because I watch all those numbers, and I knew.
Phylllis
@Sister Golden Bear: I was diagnosed with irregular heartbeat (Afib, for all intents & purposes) about 15 years ago. It’s been well controlled with a daily low-dose beta blocker for years. Here’s hoping your diagnosis works out just as well.
Chacal Charles Calthrop
@Sister Golden Bear: hope you feel better & get answers. Thks for checking in
frosty
@Jay: That’s a lot more down and out than graduating into a recession, with parents to help with the rent. I’m glad you’ve made it out, if you have. Best wishes for your SO, it sounds like it’s going (crosses fingers) well.
Debg
@geg6: I love stories about gracious celebrities. It costs us nothing to be kind, yet so many people, especially big names, feel the urge to dump on others. Thank you for sharing this lovely moment.
YY_Sima Qian
@New Deal democrat: Yes, I do recall.
YY_Sima Qian
@Gloria DryGarden: Since I am a Chinese American who had emigrated to the US at a relatively young age, my relative facility w/ English should not be surprising.
Although I have been mostly living back in the PRC since 2007, I do benefit from working for a US company where English is necessarily the official language of communication. The majority of my reading is also materials in English. Most of the sources of information & analyses, even those related to the PRC, are US or at least Anglosphere based. There is a wealth of expertise in the West (in media, in academia, in think tanks, among non-professional but nevertheless intent observers) who have a detailed & nuanced understanding of China & how China relates to the world, admittedly amongst a huge pile of garbage.
Somehow, though, their work rarely percolates to the politicians & policymakers.
YY_Sima Qian
Wrong place.
kwAwk
My thoughts for today are that Dems need to talk more about how Trump is just out of ideas. The reason he is going after Canada, Greenland, Gaza and Panama is that his whole schtick of MAGA is based upon convincing people he is leading us into a grand new future. But he doesn’t have any ideas on how to do that so he is reaching for things he thinks will make him look like he was a great leader in the history books, but they only work if he can get consent, and he can’t.
We’ve all thought that it makes sense on some level to have a Canada/US merger. There’s nothing crazy there. We’re countries with a lot in common in our culture and language. Economically we’ve very interconnected and similar. It’s not crazy to think that it would work. It’s crazy to talk about it absent of consent. We can’t force Canada to marry us.
Redeveloping Gaza into the Riviera of the Middle East, isn’t in itself a crazy idea. It’s Trump’s vision of doing it without the consent and participation of the Palestinian people that is the crazy part.
This is common with Trump in that you see him make a point that can be construed to make sense, but he backs it up with the crazy in the details.
Jay
@kwAwk:
Yeah, you don’t know Canadians.
Joining with the US has never polled above 7%.
Aziz, light!
No, we haven’t. Nor have they. This is the dumbest comment I’ve seen here today. Marry us? What they need is a restraining order.
Geminid
The ceasefire in Gaza might still be on track. A couple days ago Hamas said that Israel had not met its obligations under the ceasefire agreement and that the exchange of three hostages scheduled for Saturday was off. Reports were that Egyptian and Qatatari negotiaters were “working feverishly” to get the ceasefire back on track.
Last night Nir Calderon, who seems to observe this process closely, posted this:
Steve Witkoff, who is Trump’s point man for the negotiations, was reported earlier this month to be leaning heavily on Netanyahu to complete first two phases of the ceasefire. I guess we’ll find out Saturday if Witkoff is maintaining pressure.
Witkoff’s boss did not help this week when he demanded that Hamas deliver nine hostages on Saturday or face the Wrath of Trump. But as Calderon noted;
Last Saturday Hamas handed three hostages over to the Red Cross around 9am local time, we could know if the deal is still on by 2am Saturday morning, Eastern time.
sab
@Aziz, light!: My mother’s Canadian cousins didn’t much like the USA. My nephew’s Canadian wife is willing to live here but she doesn’t much like us either, and she really scrambled to be sure her American born kids were dual citizens,
different-church-lady
Resolute and clear eyed is much more what is needed, and you’re giving us that with this post.
Betty
Wrote to new Senator, Dave McCormick of Pennsylvania, this morning and tried the tactic of encouraging him to use his power for honor and decency as his predecessor, Bob Casey, had done. Probably just a waste of effort, but I want him to know there are consequences to his actions if he just plays along with the Musk-Trump game plan. I will try to keep reminding him that we are watching.
sab
@Bupalos: We know you lack curiousity and thus information. You just proved it.
YY_Sima Qian
@sab: I do think he was semi-joking.
kwAwk
@Jay: Whether Canadian will consent to a merger with the US, doesn’t affect that the idea of merging the two countries isn’t crazy.
WaterGirl
@kwAwk: sorry but yes, the idea of merging two countries like that is crazy!
WaterGirl
@Jay: I’m surprised that it was that high!
Manyakitty
@Gloria DryGarden: thank you
The Truffle
@kwAwk: Great tactic.
i have heard, weird as it is, a theory that this is the very start of a new progressive era. At the state level in certain states I can see it. And honestly, Dem recruitment for down ballot races is off the charts.
i was hoping for MAGA to be trounced in 2024, but if this is how they jump the shark, so be it. Trump will just be Hoover 2.0. Which means the nation will need to be rebuilt into something new, perhaps.