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Life Imitating Art

by John Cole|  March 24, 20259:15 pm| 71 Comments

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The Hegseth news is predictably stupid and no there will be no accountability and yes they are using signal because they don’t want to leave a record or FOIA trail of what they are doing, but for me, it all boils down to this. Every single day I check the headlines and see something dumber and more evil than the previous day, and I think of Jon Lovits playing Michael Dukakis on SNL debating the first George Bush:

it’s so god damned depressing.

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  1. 1.

    Gin & Tonic

    March 24, 2025 at 9:19 pm

    In normal times, something like this would have ended careers.

  2. 2.

    Baud

    March 24, 2025 at 9:23 pm

    I can believe we’re losing to them because I don’t cling to a romantic view of the nature of American culture.

  3. 3.

    zhena gogolia

    March 24, 2025 at 9:23 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: Well, there’s a long, long list of things that this crew have done that would have ended careers not so long ago.

  4. 4.

    sab

    March 24, 2025 at 9:24 pm

    Happily for me, my home and family life is so painful lately that I don’t give a shit about politics or world events.

    Things may look up in a month or so.

    Why does meth make people such utter shitheads? I can see running around demented while bleeding and naked in strange peoples’ house, terrifying their children. It’s awkward to be really wasted.

    But why does meth make you plot out real damaging revenge fantasies against bereaved children who are not yours or relatives who are yours and said no to you sometimes in your spoiled existence?

    Drugs or not, some people are just rotten to the core.

  5. 5.

    schrodingers_cat

    March 24, 2025 at 9:28 pm

    @sab: FYI I told Deputinize (he keeps changing his nyms) that you were looking for Family Practice lawyers in a thread earlier today.

  6. 6.

    Jackie

    March 24, 2025 at 9:31 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: It will: Jeffrey Goldberg‘s career, if FFOTUS continues to be predictable.

  7. 7.

    schrodingers_cat

    March 24, 2025 at 9:36 pm

    @sab: ETA: He is the long time commenter who is a Family Practice lawyer in St Louis.

  8. 8.

    Jackie

    March 24, 2025 at 9:36 pm

    @sab:

    Happily for me, my home and family life is so painful lately that I don’t give a shit about politics or world events.

    I’m so sorry. I read your post last night and I can only send you hugs, and if allowed, prayers.

  9. 9.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    March 24, 2025 at 9:36 pm

    @Jackie:

    Only if people allow it. I can’t imagine the Atlantic wanting to piss off their subscribers by firing him and getting blowback for that

  10. 10.

    Jackie

    March 24, 2025 at 9:40 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):

    I can’t imagine the Atlantic wanting to piss off their subscribers by firing him and getting blowback for that.

    LOL! You are joking, right? Look at how major networks are capitulating to FFOTUS.

  11. 11.

    sab

    March 24, 2025 at 9:40 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: Amd I appreciate the help but we asked too late. Latest rumor is that deceased loved child is back in Ohio, a viewing will be held, but only a select few of relatives,  all children, no adults other than the birth parents, will be allowed to attend.

    That is stuff out of a nightmare. Both parents are meth-addled.

    There are ten children, some are tiny, about four are young but legally adults. This could be ugly but will be  more if kids attend as no mothers allowed. No step-parents allowed.

    I wouldn’t let my child or grandchild attend unsupervised woth these people.

    Whatever. It is what it is and they are who they are. She did everything to get away from them except go to court. Now we know why.

  12. 12.

    Trollhattan

    March 24, 2025 at 9:41 pm

    Hit 80 today. Yay spring.

  13. 13.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    March 24, 2025 at 9:41 pm

    @Jackie:

    LOL! You are joking, right? Look at how major networks are capitulating to FFOTUS.

    I’m not, actually. They can be pressured by the public

  14. 14.

    just another boomer

    March 24, 2025 at 9:43 pm

    If a private fires his weapon accidentally, the Army calls it a “negligent discharge” and the private may be charged under UCMJ Article 134.   according to Bilecki law group, a soldier who is convicted of negligently discharging a firearm under Article 134 of the UCMJ will face a maximum sentence of: Confinement for 3 months and Forfeiture of two-thirds pay per month for 3 months.  Captain Hegseth would surely hold a private to account for a negligent discharge.

  15. 15.

    sab

    March 24, 2025 at 9:44 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: In the US every state has different laws, and lawyers are only admittwd to their own or a few other selected states. We are Federal.

    I know you have been here for decades, but you aren’t a lawyer. I used to be so I remember the federal side of things. We as Americans move around a lot, but every state has different rules, and every county nas different interpretations of those rules.

    Missouri is not Virginia, nor is Ohio.

  16. 16.

    NotMax

    March 24, 2025 at 9:45 pm

    Lifted from downstairs.

    FYI. How to delete your 23andMe data.

    23andMe has filed for bankruptcy, raising concerns about what will happen to the DNA-testing company and all the data it’s collected from customers over the years. In the event that 23andMe is sold, its massive genetic database may end up in the hands of a different company entirely — one that users never consented to handing their personal information over to.

  17. 17.

    bbleh

    March 24, 2025 at 9:53 pm

    it’s so god damned depressing

    youtube.com/watch?v=jHPOzQzk9Qo

  18. 18.

    Mr. Bemused Senior

    March 24, 2025 at 9:55 pm

    @sab: oh, sab, I wish I could do more than just sending my best wishes.

  19. 19.

    schrodingers_cat

    March 24, 2025 at 9:55 pm

    @sab: Oh I know that. I have lived in 4 different states.  I thought the possibility that he would know someone who practiced in Richmond in within professional/personal networks was high.

    Missouri is considered a part of the south right? So is Richmond, VA. So similar type of law practice and the same region broadly speaking.

  20. 20.

    different-church-lady

    March 24, 2025 at 9:56 pm

    @Trollhattan: ​Happy birthday Trollhattan! How do you stay so spry at 80?

  21. 21.

    Mr. Bemused Senior

    March 24, 2025 at 9:57 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: you hire incompetents, this is what you get. I’m sure their idea is exactly to hide the records. Oops.

  22. 22.

    schrodingers_cat

    March 24, 2025 at 9:57 pm

    @different-church-lady: Is Trollhattan 80 or was the temperature 80 where he is?

  23. 23.

    different-church-lady

    March 24, 2025 at 9:58 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: STOP MAKING THE JOKE OPAQUE!!!

  24. 24.

    sab

    March 24, 2025 at 10:00 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: Yes you are right. I never fail to underestimate your knowledge, but that is just because Americans I know are often so clueless. And I know nothing of physics.

    Death can be so fast and yet the law is so damn slow it’s often worthless. So here we are.

    Most of us will get over this and move on. Anger was so far from who she was.

  25. 25.

    satby

    March 24, 2025 at 10:00 pm

    @different-church-lady: 😂😂😂

  26. 26.

    Mendo

    March 24, 2025 at 10:01 pm

    If anything, the Trump years are proving that stupidity is an advantage (if you’re a Republican). It can’t be altered or bargained with in any way. It reminds me of the Mitch Hedberg bit about playing tennis.

    “The thing that’s depressing about tennis is that no matter how good I get I will never be as good as a wall. I played a wall once, they’re relentless.”

    The stupidity is relentless, and it’s an advantage.

  27. 27.

    Mr. Bemused Senior

    March 24, 2025 at 10:01 pm

    @sab: … but every state has different rules, and every county nas different interpretations of those rules.

    Another aspect of legal procedure where My Cousin Vinny is true to life, yes?

  28. 28.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    March 24, 2025 at 10:02 pm

    @sab:

    I’m sorry you’re going through all of that

  29. 29.

    different-church-lady

    March 24, 2025 at 10:03 pm

    @sab: ​

    And I know nothing of physics.

    Surely you’ve experienced gravity?

  30. 30.

    Jackie

    March 24, 2025 at 10:04 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):

    I’m not, actually. They can be pressured by the public

    And, how’s that working so far? Social Security and Medicare are safe? Nope. Federal employees jobs safe? Nope. Public pressure means diddly squat to this administration.

  31. 31.

    Mr. Bemused Senior

    March 24, 2025 at 10:04 pm

    @different-church-lady: Surely you’ve experienced gravity?

    “It’s not just a good idea, it’s the law.”

  32. 32.

    different-church-lady

    March 24, 2025 at 10:05 pm

    @Mendo: “A perfect organism. Its structural perfection is matched only by its hostility…. A survivor. Unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality…”

  33. 33.

    satby

    March 24, 2025 at 10:06 pm

    Pete Buttigieg on the news of today

  34. 34.

    different-church-lady

    March 24, 2025 at 10:07 pm

    Look, right this second there is a mother eagle feeding two baby eagles on live TV AND NONE OF YOU ARE WATCHING IT!!

  35. 35.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    March 24, 2025 at 10:08 pm

    @Jackie:

    For one, I meant public pressure applied to the Atlantic to not cave, for example.

    It’s important to be publicly seen opposing the administration and making your voice heard (provided it’s safe for you to do so, this will vary person to person), to not obey in advance, to throw sand in the gears, make it as painful for them as possible, and show the public what is happening is wrong.

    ETA: I admit I don’t have all of the answers. Things are really screwed up right now

  36. 36.

    schrodingers_cat

    March 24, 2025 at 10:09 pm

    @sab:And I know nothing of physics.

    That’s not true. You use physics every single day and have a good physical intuition even if you can’t express that in terms of mathematical equations.

  37. 37.

    lgerard

    March 24, 2025 at 10:10 pm

    This line in the Politico story about Waltz made me laugh out loud

    “Nothing is decided yet, and White House officials cautioned that President Donald Trump would ultimately make the decision over the next day or two as he watches coverage of the embarrassing episode”

    Yes, the TV will tell him what to do!

  38. 38.

    different-church-lady

    March 24, 2025 at 10:10 pm

    @schrodingers_cat:

    You use physics every single day

    Today I acted like a wave and a particle!

  39. 39.

    NotMax

    March 24, 2025 at 10:13 pm

    @different-church-lady

    Have yet to see the crowd in stadium stands do the particle.
    //

  40. 40.

    bbleh

    March 24, 2025 at 10:13 pm

    @satby: oh my that’s good

  41. 41.

    Mr. Bemused Senior

    March 24, 2025 at 10:13 pm

    @NotMax: measurement is hard.

  42. 42.

    Jackie

    March 24, 2025 at 10:15 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @lgerard:

    Goki, this post from @Igerard says it best:

    “Nothing is decided yet, and White House officials cautioned that President Donald Trump would ultimately make the decision over the next day or two as he watches coverage of the embarrassing episode”

    Yes, the TV will tell him what to do!

  43. 43.

    Another Scott

    March 24, 2025 at 10:15 pm

    @Mendo:

    “Ignorance is precious.  Once you lose it, it’s gone forever.”

    Best wishes,
    Scott.

  44. 44.

    Steve in the ATL

    March 24, 2025 at 10:17 pm

    @Trollhattan: happy birthday!

     

    [kidding]

     

    ETA: merde—beaten to the punch by d-c-l!

  45. 45.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    March 24, 2025 at 10:18 pm

    Any bets on which one of them is the first to  drown will brushing their teeth?

  46. 46.

    Kristine

    March 24, 2025 at 10:18 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):

    For one, I meant public pressure applied to the Atlantic to not cave, for example.

    I’m hoping they see the huge jump in subscriptions that WIRED is enjoying for their Musk reporting and decide they want some of that.

  47. 47.

    Kristine

    March 24, 2025 at 10:19 pm

    @satby: That was good.

    I miss him.

  48. 48.

    Sister Golden Bear

    March 24, 2025 at 10:20 pm

    @sab: I’m so sorry.

  49. 49.

    Steve in the ATL

    March 24, 2025 at 10:21 pm

    @schrodingers_cat:
     

    Missouri is considered a part of the south right?

    Oh hell no

  50. 50.

    Sister Golden Bear

    March 24, 2025 at 10:22 pm

    @different-church-lady: Gravity, it’s not just a good idea, it’s the law! 😁

  51. 51.

    Sister Golden Bear

    March 24, 2025 at 10:26 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: I’m enjoying Bartender Sky talking about how Hegseth was clearly drunk when he gave his statement, to the point they would’ve cut him off had he been in their bar.

  52. 52.

    satby

    March 24, 2025 at 10:26 pm

    And this one could have been written by our blog father, except not enough swear words.

    It’s pretty harsh, just fair warning.

  53. 53.

    satby

    March 24, 2025 at 10:30 pm

    @sab: So sorry sab. It sounds horrible.

  54. 54.

    Marc

    March 24, 2025 at 10:33 pm

    @schrodingers_cat:  Missouri is considered a part of the south right?

    When I was a kid, my Dad got a big offer (like VP level) from McDonnell Aircraft in St. Louis.  We were all really excited about it, and he took a trip to St. Louis to check out the scene and find a place to live.  He came back and never mentioned that job again.  It must have been like when I later got a job offer from a big instrumentation company in Madison, Wisconsin in the early 80s . Before I left the airport I had, uh, three separate racial incidents (the worst was the hotel shuttle driver refusing to pick me up, I had to take a taxi, which was also a problem).  Neither is in the south, but they might as well have been.

  55. 55.

    Steve in the ATL

    March 24, 2025 at 10:37 pm

    @Marc: my family in Chicago was WAY more racist than my family in the Mississippi Delta

  56. 56.

    Jackie

    March 24, 2025 at 10:38 pm

    @satby:

    And this one could have been written by our blog father, except not enough swear words.

    It’s pretty harsh, just fair warning.

    This needs to be read.

  57. 57.

    Citizen Alan

    March 24, 2025 at 10:44 pm

    @Steve in the ATL:  It just really wants to be.

  58. 58.

    Omnes Omnibus

    March 24, 2025 at 10:53 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: He is from Louisville, KY.

  59. 59.

    Steve in the ATL

    March 24, 2025 at 10:55 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: geographical semantics—it’s all flyover land!

  60. 60.

    Steve in the ATL

    March 24, 2025 at 11:02 pm

    @Citizen Alan: yeah—not gonna happen!

  61. 61.

    schrodingers_cat

    March 24, 2025 at 11:07 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Ah yes! I remember now the Mitch McConnell stories. I guess I mixed him up with Ozark Hillbilly?.

  62. 62.

    Ohio Mom

    March 24, 2025 at 11:12 pm

    @sab: Sadly, I think you have a “what came first, the chicken or the egg” question here. Was she evil to begin with and the meth stripped off whatever veneer of sociability she had, or did the meth change an average person into a very bad person?

    The question Why evil exists and why there are evil people, is beyond human understanding. We are used to stratching our heads over the likes of Trump, Musk and Vought, but that’s at a distance, we aren’t prepared for when evil visits us in our homes.

    We are defenseless, that’s part of what evil is, it is that which we have no way of coming to terms with or protecting ourselves against.

    Certainly a small evil is sending children to a viewing without the support of their parents or other loved adults.

    Once again, I send you my deepest sympathies. It’s all just too awful for words.

  63. 63.

    Quiltingfool

    March 24, 2025 at 11:13 pm

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Missouri is, well, weird.  We aren’t really southern and we aren’t really northern.  Half and half, maybe?

    The Civil War started in Missouri long before the actual beginning of the war.  There were lots of fighting between Kansans and Missourians on the border of the states; Missouri was a slave state and Kansas was a free state, in the 1850s.

    There was also fighting between Arkansas and Missouri, too.
    One great-great grandfather (Northern Arkansas) fought for the Union; another fought for the Confederacy.  The Confederacy grandpa?  While he and his son were away fighting, his wife went up to Missouri and worked as a laundress for Union troops.  Her kids had eat, ya know.  When hubby came home and found out, he and the son left.

    Missouri was a horrible place during the war.  If a group came riding up to your place and asked which side you were on, the wrong answer was met with a bullet and a house burning.

    Let’s just say Missouri had a split personality.  Neither fish nor fowl.

  64. 64.

    Steve in the ATL

    March 24, 2025 at 11:20 pm

    @Quiltingfool:
     

    Let’s just say Missouri had a split personality. Neither fish nor fowl.

    I think you meant “neither wave nor particle”

    #callback

  65. 65.

    Martin

    March 24, 2025 at 11:28 pm

    @satby: I agree with every word of that.

    It’s why my family is semi-seriously searching for a different country to move to, while I’m the ‘no, we stay and fight’ party, and yet, I only partially have my heart in that because I don’t see a path to address the moral rot.

    Remember my arc around Covid. I wrote here regularly, looking at a model that could result in a million dead Americans. That was inconceivable to all of us. And my instinct was to say ‘but we’ll see that projection and then really get our ass in gear’ and that didn’t happen. And more than a million did die. And what did we learn from that? Not a fucking thing. If anything we are VASTLY less prepared for Covid today than we were in 2023. The only conclusion you can draw is that a million dead fellow citizens is fine. We’re not cheering for it, but we’re fine with it. Shame, but I can’t be bothered to do anything different.

    I don’t know how to dig out of that hole, even in the abstract. My sense it you don’t dig out of it, you fill it with a meteor.

    If my family told me they really wanted to move to Norway or New Zealand or wherever, I think that sense would lead me to sign on. I don’t like that feeling. I like fighting.

  66. 66.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    March 24, 2025 at 11:47 pm

    @Martin:

    TBH, that kind of moral rot seems to be present to varying degrees in multiple different nations atm. The same kind of rural vs urban, men vs women divides, plus increasing wealth inequality, is everywhere. The possibility is there and has always been there; it seems like there’s this 20-30% of every population that’s attracted to authoritarianism

    I firmly believe the only way out is through. I know in my bones that Trump can never be allowed to happen again and we have to do everything in our power to ensure it never, ever, happens again if and when he and the GOP lose their grip. I think the opportunity will present itself in the near future

  67. 67.

    Anyway

    March 25, 2025 at 12:27 am

    Only catching up now on the news — hope there were no DEI folk on the signal chat. Can’t have ‘em messing up war planning.

  68. 68.

    Tehanu

    March 25, 2025 at 12:34 am

    The evil enrages me, but it’s the stupidity that blows my mind.

  69. 69.

    Liminal Owl

    March 25, 2025 at 7:34 am

    @sab: I’m so sorry you are going through such pain.  (Again? Or is my memory confused?). I don’t understand, either, why some substances turn people so horrible, nor why the users can’t prefer something that mellows them out.  Much sympathy.

  70. 70.

    Booger

    March 25, 2025 at 7:40 am

    @Sister Golden Bear: Link to that? Couldn’t find it.

  71. 71.

    Miss Bianca

    March 25, 2025 at 9:41 am

    @Kristine: Hey, *I* just subscribed to Wired!

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