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It’s rare to think, “Wow, that’s 100% true!” after reading something in Politico Playbook, but yeah, they kinda nailed it here in a segment on what’s next for Waltz and Hegseth:

There is no administration in the world — beyond this one — where a blunder of these proportions happens and nobody gets fired or resigns. Not in London. Not in Moscow. Not in Tokyo. Not in Pyongyang. Nowhere.

In certain authoritarian kleptocracies, officials who fuck up spectacularly then do their strongman the courtesy of tumbling out a 10th-story window or walking in front of a blazing anti-aircraft gun. The arrogant bumblers in this scandal probably won’t even see a reduction in their hair gel allotment.

Politico seems to think this odious crew will brazen it out, and having watched Trump & Co. fuck up so very many things — all the things! — and be rewarded with a second term, it’s hard to disagree. But!

And a YouGov poll on Monday — before the full Hegseth messages were revealed — found 74 percent of Americans (and 60 percent of Republicans) thought the leak was a somewhat or serious problem.

Meanwhile, the absolute dumbest take on l’affaire Signal came from the other end of the horseshoe:

Odds & Ends (Open Thread) 1

I can’t even.

Oh well. Only three more hours or so until the first pitch of regular season baseball 2025. My team’s not playing until tomorrow, but I guess I’ll root for the Brewers to spankee the Yankees?

Open thread!

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  1. 1.

    Mousebumples

    Let’s go Brewers!

    I’m hoping Uecker will be an angel in the outfield for the team this year. Damn, the radio broadcasts will be different without him on any calls this year.

  2. 2.

    The Audacity of Krope

    Zaid Jilani: “Why didn’t Jeffrey Goldberg abandon his morals for profit?”

    We sure this is the other end of the horseshoe? That’s the least socialist thing I’ve ever heard.

  3. 3.

    BellyCat

    The sad part here is that one cannot tell if that last tweet from Zaid is snark or not. Given that Greenwald reposted it, I’m guessing not.  JFC…

  6. 6.

    J

    The incompetence displayed by manifestly incompetent appointments within a few weeks of their appointment to office might raise questions about the competence of the man who appointed them–can’t have that.

  9. 9.

    MarkPainter

    I suspect the chat group was created specifically for this one mission (which it was named after), and would be abandoned/deleted afterward, which means Greenwald & Co. are being even dumber than usual.

  11. 11.

    Baud

    Most other nations have a people who have some pride. Half of our people have thrown that away to own the libs. It’s a pretty unique situation in world history.

  14. 14.

    gvg

    Greenwald is not a socialist. He is an anti American American. Certain extremists hate their own country so much they can’t even see anybody else and get used alot. They often say they are leftist, but not always and it really doesn’t matter. They are dangerous to everyone.

  15. 15.

    Jeffro

    That certainly is a novel take there by Zaid 🙄

    It’s funny…ok a little funny…ok, ALMOST funny how this maladministration can’t have the slightest bit of accountability, ever, regardless of how bad the fuck-up, because it might start a trend or something

  20. 20.

    twbrandt

    My alma mater, the University of Michigan, shamed itself this morning by announcing the end of all DEI program, and the alumni I follow on social media are pretty disgusted.

    Given the umich student body’s record of activism, I expect the response on campus to be very vocally opposed.

  23. 23.

    Doug R

    Because, GG- Jeffery Goldberg is a patriotic American and not revealing it is dangerous.
    But GG isn’t a patriotic American is he?

  25. 25.

    eclare

    Someone, I can’t remember who, commented that if FFOTUS fired Waltz or Hegseth they would turn on him.  Who the hell knows what they’ve seen?

  26. 26.

    jonas

    @me: This is precisely why the MSM was so gleefully anticipating Trump 2.0. Reporting on massive fuckups in the government is so *cool*! It’s like getting to be the “Oh the humanity!” guy at the Hindenburg crash. Sure we’re all screwed, but fuck it and be a legend!

    “Buttigeig Addresses Tunnel Upgrades” just wasn’t cutting it.

  28. 28.

    Kelly

    @Baud: Half the voters in our country have thrown away their patriotism and pride but that’s only a third of the country. The problem is acute because another third of voters have let their patriotism and pride gather dust.

  30. 30.

    TONYG

    @BellyCat: Oh, Christ.  Greenwald.  Somehow I feel like — a thousand years from now — Glenn Greenwald will still be here, pissing people off with his idiotic comments.

  32. 32.

    Baud

    @Kelly:

    I think the nonvoters probably would split along the same lines as voters. But regardless, nothing stopping those nonvoters from aligning with us now. The stuff that’s happening isn’t normal policy disputes.

  33. 33.

    jonas

    @eclare: Neither of those two gormless wankers could turn on anything, much less Trump. Hegseth would be too drunk and Waltz is just a complete moron and wouldn’t even know which direction to turn. Besides, what could you possibly reveal about Trump at this point that would politically damage him?  He’s a cult leader, not a politician.

  37. 37.

    Juju

    @eclare: They aren’t going to turn on the orange menace. If they did turn on him, he would just send his red hat flying monkey army after them.

  40. 40.

    Bill Arnold

    ETA I see rikyrah posted a link yesterday. No harm linking again though.
    EXCLUSIVE: DOD has deployed Signal on government devices overriding their own policy – A high level source in DOD has confirmed that they were ordered to approve installation of Signal on government devices by Trump officials last month (FPWellman, Mar 26, 2025)
    More at the link.

    Ignoring their own protocols
    A high level information security source inside the Department of Defense has informed me that a month ago they were ordered by political appointees to ignore information security regulations and install Signal on government phones for senior leaders.
    This story likely confirms that Signal is a primary means of communications for Trump Administration senior leaders in direct violation of the Presidential Records Act, the Espionage Act, and numerous national security regulations. It appears that much of our national security communications are vulnerable to foreign intelligence agencies to access at the highest levels of our government.
    …
    An anonymous senior level source in the Pentagon’s information technology field reached out to tell me that upon the arrival of newly installed senior military officials in February they were asked to install Signal on their government phones. There had already been instances where newly appointed Trump officials attempted to bring their personal phones in secure areas.
    They relented on leaving their phones outside the classified spaces but demanded that CIO install Signal on their government devices. One senior uniformed official told me source that, “they all use Signal and need it to communicate with the White House,” which they took to mean its being used on their personal devices already.

    They have blatant disrespect for the law. Mood: In the common law of England, a “writ of outlawry” made the pronouncement Caput lupinum (“[Let his be] a wolf’s head”), equating that person with a wolf in the eyes of the law. Not only was the subject deprived of all legal rights, being outside the “law”, but others could kill him on sight as if he were a wolf or other wild animal.

  41. 41.

    French Onion Soup

    GG is just jealous nobody illegally got into an actual defense network and gave it to him so he could release it as he see fits and be all over the TV pontificating.  That’s all GG cares about here.

  42. 42.

    Baud

    Hard to imagine that the high level Trump people using signal aren’t saving messages for blackmail purposes through screenshots or other means.

  43. 43.

    Prometheus Shrugged

    @BellyCat: FWIW, Drew Magary (who is now relegated, interestingly enough, to what is basically San Francisco Chronicle’s online food/travel section) had exactly the same take yesterday.

  48. 48.

    WaterGirl

    @eclare: That was my theory.  Not sure we’ll ever get to test it because FFOTUS is such a coward that he will just try to ride it out.

    It’s our job, and the job of the media, to make she that doesn’t work.

  50. 50.

    WaterGirl

    @Baud:

    I think the nonvoters probably would split along the same lines as voters

    I’m not sure that’s a fair assumption.  I suspect that a lot of folks who are MAGA are the same kinds of people that would have been taken in by the Moonies or other cults.

    I think the people who don’t vote are a different animal.

    No way to know for sure, of course.

  54. 54.

    Alce _e_ardillo

    @jonas: I think perhaps when the next gobstopping scandal hits that doesn’t involve them, either Waltz or Hegseth will discover a burning desire to spend more time with their families, and try to leave quietly.

  55. 55.

    mr perfect

    Being this an open thread, one note in particular about these clowns involved in SignalGate was the animosity all had with Europe and showing up the European countries with these bombings.  Link this in with the threats of annexing Canada and Greenland by the current administration, who would benefit the most with these actions?  Why none other than Mr. Putin.  A hostile America overtaking Canada and Greenland cuts off Europe’s flank across the Atlantic leaving them vulnerable to Russia.  Economically and militarily.  America’s foreign policy right now is made in the Kremlin.  The dolts in charge in Washington aren’t smart enough to think these things themselves.  They are taking orders.

  57. 57.

    Lobo

    @twbrandt: My alma mater has started to eliminate DEI efforts while trying to maintain nothing has changed.  I guess representativeness wasn’t really a value. Masks are off.  Clarifying moment on who and who not to take seriously.

  58. 58.

    mr perfect

    @Betty Cracker: What I’ve been saying most of my adult life, the political spectrum isn’t a line, it’s a circle and like the international date line the extreme left and right have a meeting point.

  59. 59.

    trollhattan

    We are fostering an MLB team that I understand was dumped at the Front Street Animal Shelter during the night: the Don’t Call Them Anywhere Athletics. They will eventually be re-housed in Las Vegas after Las Vegas builds themselves an extremely air-conditioned ballpark at some point.

    I don’t see how anything could possibly go wrong. Meanwhile, MLB and our AAA team are hot-bunking in the same ballpark. Has that ever happened? A lot of damn baseball.

  63. 63.

    Citizen Alan

    @BellyCat: TBH, it really is almost astonishing that an American journalist would expose this contemporaneously rather than hold it back for a book in 5 years. Or, at a minimum, treat it as “off the record,” as that Great Journalist Tim Russert testified that he presumed all conversations with public officials to be unless they said otherwise. That is how low my expectations are for this pustulant failure we are stuck with as a news media.

  64. 64.

    trollhattan

    @Baud: At the very least, a bunch of players and staff are saying “Dude, I can totally afford an apartment now.”

  66. 66.

    Old School

    Now I’m picturing Jeffrey Goldberg staying on the Signal chat, publishing details about what is being discussed, and the Trump administration getting more and more frustrated as they try to determine where the leaks are coming form.

  67. 67.

    Citizen Alan

    @gvg: The difference between the Extreme Left and the Extreme Right is that at least the former is willing to admit that they want to destroy America. The Extreme Right, meanwhile, wraps themselves in the flag and attacks the patriotism of everyone who disagrees with them even as they destroy everything we’ve ever had that makes America a decent country.

  68. 68.

    trollhattan

    @gvg: He tried cosplaying socialist for awhile but it fit like Peewee Herman’s suit. Being ghey-married in Brazil while applauding Bolsonaro, who surely wants he and anybody like him dead or in prison, is a square that cannot be circled.

  70. 70.

    Bruce K in ATH-GR

    Now I know I’m in the minority here as a New York Yankees fan of old (I was born in Manhattan over Coogan’s Bluff and became a fan in the mid-1980s, when frankly, they weren’t a very good team), but I’ve noticed that over the past 25 years or so, widespread rejoicing in misfortunes befalling the Yankees and their fans seems to be closely followed by catastrophic events in American politics. Now correlation doesn’t imply causation, but the one-two punch of the 2004 postseason and the re-election of George W. Bush left some scars that still haven’t quite healed for me.

    As for the stupefying incompetence, criminality, and downright cruelty of the administration of the First Felon, well, let’s just say that I’m reminded of why they erected a gallows at the Nuremberg tribunals.

  71. 71.

    Geminid

    @Baud: A look at Zaid Jilani’s social media account found him complaining that Bernie Sanders lacked a “killer instinct” and passed on opportunities to knock out Hilary Clinton and Joe Biden with negative attacks, so I’d place Jilani on the “Left,” for whatever that’s worth.*

    Greenwald’s a different story. I could not classify him as Left or Right. I guess I’d type Greenwald as “Bitter.”

    * I think the “Left/Right” axis does not capture political positions that well anyway. If I wanted to engage in abstract political analysis I’d posit a “Establishment/Anti-establishment” axis. Maybe a “Pragmatist/Idealist” axis too.

  72. 72.

    Mike E

    @trollhattan: Tampa Bay Rays will be playing in the nearby FTFNYY minor league park to a capacity of 10k while their hurricane ravaged domed stadium gets renovated (25k cap.)…the A’s temporary digs in Sacramento will be brutally hot and home thru the ’27 season at the very least

  73. 73.

    trollhattan

    @Belafon:

    Heh. Wait, don’t give them ideas!

    Seeing some of the sports hosted in the Gulf horrifies me. I recall the World Athletics T&F championships hosted in Doha, in September, in an open-roof stadium. They deal with field temps by blasting AC at ground level via giant vents circling the joint. Same goes for their several other football stadiums.

    “What’s the use of having all this oil if we can’t burn it ourselves?”

  74. 74.

    trollhattan

    @Mike E:

    We do do heat. “But, it’s a dry heat.” Dry heat is still hot.

    They went round and round about the field, wanting artificial grass to accommodate the many games but players wisely said no. The grass turf has some kind of air-conditioned root zone however the heck they do that.

  77. 77.

    Betty Cracker

    @trollhattan: The Rays are also homeless since Hurricane Milton (I think) shredded the roof of Tropicana Field and nobody could find a blue tarp large enough to cover it. The Rays are opening tomorrow in Tampa at the Yankee’s spring training facility and will play out the season there.

    It’s a smallish facility by MLB standards, with no roof, and in normal Central Florida summers, it’s a thousand degrees all day and humid, plus there are lightning storms every afternoon. Hopefully that’s been taken into account and a lot of night games are scheduled.

  78. 78.

    Ruckus

    @Jeffro:

    What’s so funny about it? This is shitforbrains. His one and only thing in life is not being responsible for anything – other than failure. He never takes responsibility because that’s not a risk for him it is a reliable ending to everything in his entire life. Which is every damn thing he attempts and fails at – which is every damn thing. He’s even a failure at failure, because he has nothing positive in his life to measure against the total failure he is.

  79. 79.

    Anastasio Beaverhausen

    If this fiasco happened here in the UK they would start a cheeky Pete Hegseth vs. a head of lettuce contest.  But knowing Trump, Hegseth will probably win.

  81. 81.

    trollhattan

    @Betty Cracker:

    Sounds like they could really stack up the rain checks.

    TBH muggy weather is my Achilles’s heel–I can cycle in a hundred here while 80 and 80 has me cowering inside.

  82. 82.

    frosty

    @Bruce K in ATH-GR: ​…but the one-two punch of the 2004 postseason and the re-election of George W. Bush left some scars that still haven’t quite healed for me.

    That may have been bad, but it doesn’t come close to the Cubs winning the World Series in 2016. That opened a portal to this alternate timeline we’re in now.​

  89. 89.

    Ruckus

    @trollhattan:

    Plastic grass mostly reflects heat, real grass more or less absorbs heat. That’s why your lawn can turn brown in the summer, if you don’t water it enough. Oh and if it turns brown, it’s dying. When it’s brown and each blade looses it’s normal shape, it’s dead. Or close to it. And one of the reasons it absorbs heat is the water that it has already absorbed. And yes it is the circle of life. Living things need water but too much at once is often not good. Fish have gills to take in water but they don’t do this on a constant basis, they are living beings and too much internal water isn’t any better for them than for us.

  90. 90.

    Paul in KY

    @jonas: If true (and I think that’s a big part of it for the smug, rich TV journo types), then we really are in the late Western Roman Empire era.

  94. 94.

    Paul in KY

    @frosty: Why I’ve always rooted for The White Sox. Cubs fans are generally douchwads (if they live in Chicago area) or fanboys of a ‘famous’ team, if they live away (IMO).

  96. 96.

    Barry

    “Meanwhile, the absolute dumbest take on l’affaire Signal came from the other end of the horseshoe:”

    At this point, there is no other end of the horseshoe; it’s a bunch of Nazis sitting around a table who have different backgrounds and different paths to that table.  The end result is the same, and so far doesn’t seem to cause more than very minor arguments.

  97. 97.

    Paul in KY

    @Ruckus: Learned this when I had an aquarium: Fresh water fish are always soaking up water like a sponge, so they drink little and piss alot. Salt water fish are just a teeny bit less dense than salt water, so they are always having water sucked out of them, thus they drink alot of water and piss just a little.

  98. 98.

    Barry

    @twbrandt: ​
     

    “My alma mater, the University of Michigan, shamed itself this morning by announcing the end of all DEI program, and the alumni I follow on social media are pretty disgusted.”

    Please contact me directly.

  99. 99.

    trollhattan

    @Ruckus:

    My kid, when in club soccer, would play on Fieldturf fields midsummer and the “rug burns” were spectacular. Poor kids. Some have giant Rainbird ag sprinklers that pop up intermittently to wet the joint down. The girls loved that and would run through them, to coach’s consternation.

    Recall one field in the foothill burbs that smelled of gasoline. It was brand new and either the surface or ground tire bits underneath were offgassing like Trump after a hamberder bender.

    This is all I can glean on the ballparks fancypants new lawn.

    Beneath the newly rolled sod is what’s called “AirPAT” technology, which is said to “optimize root zone oxygenation, improve moisture management, and regulate subsurface temperatures,” which will ensure healthier and more resilient playing surface. The upgrades will reduce the reliance on chemical treatments, the release said. A fertilizer injection system has been installed to create optimal growing conditions while minimizing water usage.

    There will also be drone monitoring, infrared scanning and infield moisture sensors to track the grass’ health in real time.

  100. 100.

    trollhattan

    @Paul in KY:

    Checks out with what I learned back in the day.

    Imagine what salmon  and steelhead go through returning to rivers after life in the ocean. “Am I peein’ or drinkin’?”

  101. 101.

    Barry

    @jonas: “Neither of those two gormless wankers could turn on anything, much less Trump. Hegseth would be too drunk and Waltz is just a complete moron and wouldn’t even know which direction to turn. Besides, what could you possibly reveal about Trump at this point that would politically damage him? He’s a cult leader, not a politician.”

     

    One of the advantages of hiring extremely incompetent, out of control people is that you have Kompromat on them.

  102. 102.

    Barry

    @JoyceH: ​
     

    “plus, after the Signal thread wiped as it’s designed to do, it becomes his word against theirs. Now it doesn’t matter what they call him, he’s got the receipts.”

    And if Jonah had quietly stayed on, scooping up things, he’d probably put himself in legal jeopardy.

  103. 103.

    Ruckus

    @Paul in KY:

    OK, first, thank you for the giggle. And the smile that came after.

    I have zero idea if this is true and am not going to bother to look but I did laugh a bit, which is nice as I’m building a cabinet for a neighbor – in my apartment. Which is appropriate because I’ve built all my furniture – except the one piece I have left, which is a simple 2 shelf, no doors cabinet, in this or my last apartment. I built my bed as well.

  104. 104.

    Eunicecycle

    @frosty: Yes! The Indians were ahead 3-1 and one of the prognosticators said that Donald Trump had the same odds of winning the election as the Cubs did to win 3 games in a row. But they did. And he did.

  105. 105.

    Marc

    @Barry: And if Jonah had quietly stayed on, scooping up things, he’d probably put himself in legal jeopardy.

    Once upon a time, there were actually journalists who would put themselves in legal jeopardy to get the truth out to the American people.

  106. 106.

    Madeleine

    @Barry: I’ve checked several news sources at the U, MLive, and Freep and see that NIH has ended trans care, but not that all DEI has been terminated by the U. (The end of trans care is bad, but different from the U ending DEI.)

  107. 107.

    Betty

    @Geminid: I assumed early on that he was a libertarian because his claim to fame was his book criticizing the Patriot Act for being too intrusive. Progressives sort of latched on to him because they agreed with that. I don’t think he was a leftist. This is how I remember the good old Bush-post 9/11 days on any case.

  108. 108.

    Betty

    @Bill Arnold: “Need it to communicate with the White House?” And Trump doesn’t understand what it even is? So, I guess by White House they mean Susie and Stephen, who were both on the call?

  109. 109.

    Ruckus

    @trollhattan:

    Yeah, us old farts didn’t have “artificial” grass. We had grass to smoke (yes illegally smoke) which of course wasn’t really any kind of grass, but it wasn’t artificial grass, as far as I know.

  110. 110.

    Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony

    @Geminid: We definitely need  pragmatist/ idealist axes in politics. I am pretty much so far on the pragmatism end of that spectrum that it makes political discussions with some folks (even ostensibly on the same team) just painful.

  111. 111.

    Miss Bianca

    @twbrandt: judging by the scale and intensity of the Palestinian demonstrations I saw on the Diag when I was there last year, I’d say the UM administration is in for a bumpy ride. (Fellow alum here)

  112. 112.

    Citizen Alan

    @me: I’ve said for some time that I look at Trump and the MAGAs and see what I think it would have looked like if Charlie Manson had forgone brutal murder in favor of politics, and the Manson Family was 70 million strong.

  113. 113.

    Ksmiami

    Wonderful News. The asshat Utah conservatives have driven out the Sundance film festival for greener and kinder pastures in Boulder. So long dipshits

  114. 114.

    Ruckus

    @Citizen Alan:

    Oh the manson family.

    I went to school with Leslie Van Houten, 12 years. Church as well.

    I would never have thought she would be capable of what she has done. But then many people can do things that most of us would never in any way give a moments consideration. I was in the USN and on in port watch carried a loaded .45 caliber semi auto pistol, with orders to shoot to kill if someone illegally boarded. I never had to make that final decision, for which I am very, very glad. But this was during Vietnam and one never really knew what the next day might bring. Or the next minute. The last 2 full months of my time in the USN I was in the Shore Patrol. No gun, just a nightstick. And then spent 2 weeks on a helicopter/landing craft ship and done. It was easy, it was in the shipyard and we went out to sea for 5-6 hours one day. I didn’t but I did want to scream out loud when I last walked off that ship. I didn’t because the only words I could think to scream were 4 letters long and considered not all that nice. At least by some.

  115. 115.

    David Collier-Brown

    There is no administration in the world — beyond this one — where a blunder of these proportions happens and nobody gets fired or resigns. Not in London. Not in Moscow. Not in Tokyo. Not in Pyongyang. Nowhere.

    On the other hand, Medieval kings would often forgive their favourites anything.  “Edward II of England (1284-1327) was notorious for his intense favouritism toward Piers Gaveston and later Hugh Despenser the Younger. He repeatedly forgave Gaveston’s arrogance and restored him to power despite the nobility’s objections.”

    Welcome to an older era. A monarch, and not even a constitutional monarch. One from the era of the Divine Right of Kings.

  116. 116.

    Darkrose

    @gvg: Greenwald had always been a fash-curious libertarian. He fooled a lot of people–including me–with his opposition to Bush II’s policies, but he showed his true colors when Obama was elected.

  118. 118.

    Gvg

    @Lobo: appearances aren’t always reality. After the Harvard admissions Supreme Court case, schools had to figure out how to deal with it. Some schools at least, not naming names, had already had state political pressure for awhile, but wanted to serve students not creepy politicians, plus there are such things as rich minorities and poor white people. So basically, schools that cared started recruiting without using race, however they do use things like income and opportunity plus it’s very allowed to go for first generation college students. The actual results are quite representative of the area including minorities and probably benefit the minorities who need it better than just picking the ones with the highest grades who might have successful parents and get in anyway. The first gen program also gets mentoring which is really helpful. But on the outside the program seems to have given in.
    Also on the inside, a lot of the employees at ALL levels in all programs including leadership down to ordinary workers are minorities with decades there, and whites who have always had minorities all around them, in programs that aren’t something considered diversity centered and aren’t going to be eliminated. It is impossible to make us white male only again. I don’t think you can in private business either, but I know you can’t in universities. Money is the problem that keeps the words quiet, but they are resisting and planning.

  120. 120.

    BellyCat

    @Gvg: This is a great take. I can already see it though, “First Gen Is the NEW DEI!!!”

    Lovett had a delicious Ragefest ™ about Columbia capitulating today on the PodBros Save What Is Left of America. Starts at 23-ish.

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