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If you tweet it in all caps, that makes it true!

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Comrade Scott calls me the ultimate lurker – Hands Off! – Denver

by WaterGirl|  April 7, 202512:40 pm| 89 Comments

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Howdy,

Haven’t seen any from C. S. A. R. Or M. M. yet, so here’s a ground level shot of the crowd at the West side of the State capitol in Denver. Not the best view, so please ignore if you get better ones.

Great turnout compared to the two previous I attended. As others have noted, predominantly white and older(ish), but other demographics mixed in.

Comrade Scott calls me Steve the ultimate Lurker. (Still only lurking. Don’t want to break my record)

Comrade Scott calls me the ultimate lurker - Hands Off! – Denver
Denver, COApril 5, 2025

Keep up the great work!

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89Comments

  1. 1.

    WaterGirl

    April 7, 2025 at 12:43 pm

    Welcome Ultimate Lurker!

    Even if you are only submitting this post and not commenting.

    (it’s not too late to change your mind.)  :-)

  2. 2.

    thruppence

    April 7, 2025 at 12:56 pm

    I’m such a social media know nothing that while my friend and I got lots of pics of other folks and their signs at the rally in Denver, we didn’t get one of ourselves and our sign. Sign text: “I saw Putin laughing with delight, the day democracy died”.

  3. 3.

    WaterGirl

    April 7, 2025 at 12:59 pm

    @thruppence: That’s a good one!

    You can still take a photo of the sign and send it to me. :-)

  4. 4.

    Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony

    April 7, 2025 at 1:05 pm

    We went to the protests in Brentwood, MO Saturday.  I didn’t take pictures. It was cold, rained the whole time, and all of us looked like determined drowned rats.

  5. 5.

    Suzanne

    April 7, 2025 at 1:07 pm

    Bill Ackman tweets:

    I have no anger toward Dems. Just disappointment.

    I don’t think this was foreseeable. I assumed economic rationality would be paramount. My bad.

    “My bad”. That’s what I say when I add slightly too much pepper to the chicken.

  6. 6.

    Betty Cracker

    April 7, 2025 at 1:10 pm

    We have a winner…🏆

    [image or embed]

    — Christopher Webb (@cwebbonline.com) April 6, 2025 at 12:02 PM

  7. 7.

    Burrowing Owl

    April 7, 2025 at 1:12 pm

    @Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony: Thank you for showing up.

  8. 8.

    Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony

    April 7, 2025 at 1:15 pm

    @Burrowing Owl: There were hundreds of us. I was surprised by the turnout

  9. 9.

    Scout211

    April 7, 2025 at 1:15 pm

    @Suzanne:

    Ackman: I assumed economic rationality would be paramount. My bad.

    And what, pray tell, gave you that assumption, Bill?  Your money?

    Sucker!

  10. 10.

    thruppence

    April 7, 2025 at 1:15 pm

    @WaterGirl: Okay, just sent it, hope it gets through

  11. 11.

    Suzanne

    April 7, 2025 at 1:24 pm

    @Scout211: INORITE?!?!

    These people lack basic pattern recognition. Why would anyone with an IQ over 80 observe FFOTUS and think he’s rational?! It’s all projection and wishcasting.

    It eats me up that, in order to build the coalition, the wisest strategy is to be kind and welcoming to these people.

  12. 12.

    Elizabelle

    April 7, 2025 at 1:35 pm

    @Suzanne:   Context please. What does this mean?  From Bill Ackman’s tweet:

    I have no anger toward Dems. Just disappointment.

    WTF?  It sounds like blaming the passengers for the plane crash.  What am I missing from Mr. Genius Ackman?  Did he mean to say “Republicans?”

  13. 13.

    Betty Cracker

    April 7, 2025 at 1:39 pm

    @Elizabelle: It’s clumsily written, but I think he’s saying he has no anger toward Dems who are dogpiling his stupid ass all over social media and disappointment in the sociopath he backed for president. He writes as poorly as he thinks.

  14. 14.

    Suzanne

    April 7, 2025 at 1:41 pm

    @Elizabelle: He’s blaming Howard Lutnick right now.

  15. 15.

    HeleninEire

    April 7, 2025 at 1:42 pm

    @Elizabelle: That tweet was in response to a tweeter who said his (Ackerman’s) anger at Dems blinded him to Trump.

  16. 16.

    WaterGirl

    April 7, 2025 at 1:44 pm

    @Betty Cracker: That’s very fun!

  17. 17.

    scav

    April 7, 2025 at 1:45 pm

    @Betty Cracker: Nice of him to cut to the very beating heart of the entire situation.  How democrats treat him and how his (retroactively assumed) expectations have been failed.  Clearly nothing else compete with these consequences.

  18. 18.

    WaterGirl

    April 7, 2025 at 1:46 pm

    @thruppence: Got your message, but no image. :-(  Please try again.

  19. 19.

    Elizabelle

    April 7, 2025 at 1:47 pm

    Thank you.  On its own, it made no sense.

    Also, fuck Ackman.  I just wish we were not losing as much money (proportionately) too.  Dreadful days.

    By the way:  talk about euphemism in this Wall Street Journal headline today:

    Trump, Unbowed, Is Enacting Change on Scale Rarely Seen Before

    Financial markets, universities, law firms and world leaders are reeling from the president’s agenda.  White House officials say this was always the plan. 

    Change?  Change?  Call it Damage.  Or Destruction.

    Off to archive.is to see what else is in that WSJ article.

  20. 20.

    Scout211

    April 7, 2025 at 1:48 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    It was a response to a comment in a thread. I hope the link works. Retweeted (reskeeted..) here:

    bsky.app/profile/robertsilverman.bsky.social/post/3lm6tbg2qqs2k

    Original comment from Matt Cully:

    Good job speaking out but you should have foreseen the chaos.  Your anger toward Dems clouded your judgment imo.

    ETA:  link worked.

  21. 21.

    p.a.

    April 7, 2025 at 1:48 pm

    @HeleninEire: That tweet was in response to a tweeter who said his (Ackerman’s) anger at Dems blinded him to Trump.

     

     

    awww, c’mon, be fair.  All he wanted was a Preznit who would put the uppity proles back in their proper place after Biden made the first real moves in a generation to balance the socio-economic scales.  What’s a billionaire sociopath supposed to do?

  22. 22.

    Betty Cracker

    April 7, 2025 at 1:50 pm

    Hmmm, will SCOTUS hear this case?

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The Trump administration on Monday asked the Supreme Court to block a court order requiring it to return a Maryland man who was mistakenly deported to a notorious prison in El Salvador.

    The Justice Department argued in an emergency appeal to the justices that U.S. District Judge Paula Xinis overstepped her authority when she ordered Kilmar Abrego Garcia returned to the United States.

    The administration has conceded that Abrego Garcia should not have been sent to El Salvador because an immigration judge found he likely would face persecution by local gangs.

    But he is no longer in U.S. custody and the government has no way to get him back, the administration argued.

    Xinis gave the administration until just before midnight to “facilitate and effectuate” Abrego Garcia’s return.

    “The district court’s injunction—which requires Abrego Garcia’s release from the custody of a foreign sovereign and return to the United States by midnight on Monday—is patently unlawful,” Solicitor General D. John Sauer wrote in court papers, casting the order as one in “a deluge of unlawful injunctions” judges have issued to slow President Donald Trump’s agenda.

    His agenda to (checks notes) deport innocent people to foreign gulags.

    I am not a lawyer, but if we wrest our country back from these fascist thugs, I want to see these goddamn minions disbarred.

  23. 23.

    Elizabelle

    April 7, 2025 at 1:50 pm

    Scrolling through the WSJ website now.

    Top photo on website:  Musk, in a red hat that says “Trump was right about everything.”

    Headline underneath:

    Musk Knocks Trump’s Trade Philosophy

    LOL.  Good shade by WSJ.  Although:  Philosophy?  Philosophy?

  24. 24.

    Elizabelle

    April 7, 2025 at 1:53 pm

    @Scout211:  Thank you.

    Ackman is a wanker, so I don’t care why he carries “anger against Dems.”

  25. 25.

    Scout211

    April 7, 2025 at 1:58 pm

    Ha ha ha.  Afraid of all those tariff questions?

    The White House has canceled a planned news conference with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu this afternoon, with Trump instead planning to take questions from reporters in the Oval Office.

    . . .

    Now, a smaller group of reporters, known as the “pool” and assigned to cover the president’s movements each day, will have an opportunity to ask questions.Now, a smaller group of reporters, known as the “pool” and assigned to cover the president’s movements each day, will have an opportunity to ask questions.

    So the reporters from Fox, Newmax and OANN?

  26. 26.

    thruppence

    April 7, 2025 at 2:00 pm

    @WaterGirl: Okay, resent. Was more meticulous this time.

  27. 27.

    Elizabelle

    April 7, 2025 at 2:04 pm

    @Scout211:  Thinking about your warning the other day that a raft of books about “Biden was senile; we saw it at the White House” may be landing this week, or very soon.

    LOL.  People will say “but I was not awake all night watching my 401K and investments dive like the Titanic.  Bring back Joe!”

    That would be justice.

    President Biden did an excellent job, overall, and how he was treated throughout is one of history’s tragedies.

  28. 28.

    Belafon

    April 7, 2025 at 2:14 pm

    @Elizabelle: Being charitable, I don’t think the second sentence applies to the first. I think it’s talking about being disappointed in either himself or the events that have happened.

  29. 29.

    Belafon

    April 7, 2025 at 2:17 pm

    @Betty Cracker: Maybe El Salvador will take them for a little while.

  30. 30.

    Liminal Owl

    April 7, 2025 at 2:17 pm

    This is beyond shameful. Yes, just another such entry in this year’s ledger, but…

    aol.com/national-park-services-removes-references-193924634.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=ma

  31. 31.

    Belafon

    April 7, 2025 at 2:19 pm

    The markets are right around 0 right now.

  32. 32.

    Suzanne

    April 7, 2025 at 2:20 pm

    I can’t get over how much is being destroyed because uneducated white dudebros are jealous that nerds, women, and minorities make more money than they do.

  33. 33.

    Baud

    April 7, 2025 at 2:20 pm

    You know who’s got no anger or disappointment?

    This guy. 👈

    Because he always put country first and did the right thing in the face of fascism.

    It’s not that hard.

  34. 34.

    trollhattan

    April 7, 2025 at 2:20 pm

    @p.a.: They (corporate overlords) hated the Biden economy for the ever-increasing jobs report, which shifted power towards workers and away from those corporations who prioritize lowest possible wages and high control over workers.

    That’s it. That’s the Democratic Party sin and they’ll support a mendacious idiot narcissist over that happy smart lady. Funny how the rabid pitbull now fails to come when called.

  35. 35.

    Baud

    April 7, 2025 at 2:21 pm

    @trollhattan:

    Too bad the workers hated it too.

  36. 36.

    trollhattan

    April 7, 2025 at 2:22 pm

    @Baud: “I slept in” is a hellova political stance.

  37. 37.

    MisterForkbeard

    April 7, 2025 at 2:23 pm

    @Belafon: Nah, he’s saying he was very disappointed in Dems but not angry at them, and that disappointment is what made him support Trump.

    MADE him, you uunderstand.Theres no way he could have forseen this, other than Trump’s plainly stated words.

  38. 38.

    Martin

    April 7, 2025 at 2:24 pm

    @Elizabelle: Ackman was mad about the Gaza protests and how they were handled. He’s been leading the charge to tell universities, particularly the Ivies what to do since long before October 8. I would put him pretty solidly in the camp of anti-zionism is antisemitism.

  39. 39.

    MisterForkbeard

    April 7, 2025 at 2:26 pm

    @Belafon: Which is nuts – the news isn’t any better than over the weekend, except for a lie that Trump might walk back tariffs and which he denied.

    Everything is still awful and Trump is threatening much higher tariffs. The markets aren’t rational and we know that, but everyone is apparently hoping that the dip has ended – and that collective hope is sort making it happen.

    It’ll just take the next piece of bad news before it tanks again.

  40. 40.

    Manyakitty

    April 7, 2025 at 2:28 pm

    @Elizabelle: your last sentence, forever.

  41. 41.

    Martin

    April 7, 2025 at 2:32 pm

    @MisterForkbeard: The market is responding to the EU free trade offer, hoping that Trump will take the win. That was new information this morning. Equally the threat to further increase China tariffs is keeping everything off balance.

  42. 42.

    Suzanne

    April 7, 2025 at 2:33 pm

    Dr. Laura Robinson on Xhitter:

    There’s some interesting online pieces of data showing the extent to which it really does seem men think that the point of tariffs is to cause economic hardship *specifically for American women.*

  43. 43.

    Belafon

    April 7, 2025 at 2:34 pm

    @Suzanne: Plenty of educated white men are ok with it as well.

    When I was in middle school, I was the one kid from the poor part of the town that was in the gifted program. I had to deal with the bullies in the program itself that were from the wealthier part. Taught me a big lesson that anyone can bully. And we were all white.

  44. 44.

    trollhattan

    April 7, 2025 at 2:39 pm

    @Belafon:

    Put ANY random group of kids together and there will soon be a pecking order with winners, mid-packers, losers, and I can’t evens.

  45. 45.

    p.a.

    April 7, 2025 at 2:39 pm

    @Baud: I once said if the Democratic policy did all the good things Biden started/implemented, and affirmed as a bedrock principle the absolute authority of the 2nd Amendment as well as providing yearly vouchers for the purchase of one gun a year, they’d still lose the WWC for reasons I think everyone here knows…🤢

  46. 46.

    Bupalos

    April 7, 2025 at 2:43 pm

    @Martin: I know people get a little perturbed if you accuse Trump of deliberate actions resulting in intentional outcomes, but we’ve  got The Couchfucker objecting to the decline on Thursday not being big enough, and now Trump seemingly trying to fight Wall Street wanting to put in a bottom on this tariff crash.

    For whatever reason (and I think mostly because he’s enjoying himself and it’s filling up his narcissistic needs) Trump wants more carnage and fear and anger.

  47. 47.

    JML

    April 7, 2025 at 2:46 pm

    @Martin: I mean, there’s a part of me that thinks the Ivies deserve everything they’re getting right now (except for Brown and Cornell. They’re ok). they’ve been arrogant, insular, elitist in all the worst ways, and deeply beholden to wealth. they treat C-suites, senior government positions, the justice system, etc as if it’s their own personal fiefdoms that they get to run as a little club and only those that walked their halls are allowed to pass. They’ve sneeringly looked down on higher education everywhere else, and helped make people distrust a college education more than any time in history.

    And of course they’re capitulating to the current BS; the leadership at the big, powerful institutions are generally led by cowards who are motivated more by preservation of their own status than anything else.

    but no matter how much they suck it doesn’t make what’s going on now right.

  48. 48.

    Martin

    April 7, 2025 at 2:47 pm

    @Bupalos: Yes. People keep mistaking this for an economic plan when it’s clearly a domination plan. He doesn’t care about the economics – he cares about wielding the power and getting others to conform to his will

    You’d think Ackman would understand this because he does the same thing.

  49. 49.

    Elizabelle

    April 7, 2025 at 2:49 pm

    @Suzanne:  Show us Dr. Robinson’s work, there.  “Some … pieces” might be doing a lot of work there.

    Not every male is an incel.  And how much do people think — yeah, cut my partner’s income in half, that’s the ticket.

    PS:  Not getting after you today, Suzanne!  Purely a coincidence.  With social media, I do not like to take anything at face value without seeing context and realistic evidence.

    People can say all kinds of things on the internet.  Sadly, probably why we have Trump.

  50. 50.

    p.a.

    April 7, 2025 at 2:49 pm

    @Martin: Wouldn’t you like to be in the room when his time comes, and the doc says “I’m sorry there’s nothing we can do.”

  51. 51.

    Martin

    April 7, 2025 at 2:53 pm

    @JML: Yeah, no disagreement there. But none of this is going to change the baseline. Higher education is still going to collapse until we get some much broader cultural changes in the US (rejection of credentialism, the cult of ‘you are what you earn’, the perverse need to rank everything, etc.). Even this is relatively unimportant compared to the real underlying problems which is why I’m not terribly worked up about it. It feels bad, but only because people can’t appreciate how much worse it’s going to get.

  52. 52.

    Percysowner

    April 7, 2025 at 2:55 pm

     

    From David Brooks, gift link from the AtlanticI Should Have Seen This Coming Because, I should have been paying attention or maybe even cared about sexism, racism, homophobia, etc. sounds like he had an actual responsibility to form this country.

  53. 53.

    Martin

    April 7, 2025 at 2:56 pm

    @p.a.: I’d feel better if there wasn’t a parade of people behind him seeking to do the same thing.

  54. 54.

    Suzanne

    April 7, 2025 at 2:56 pm

    @Elizabelle: I don’t know how to embed tweets or yeets or whatever Bluesky calls them….. but Dr. Robinson is a good follow and she’s got a long thread on both platforms about it.

  55. 55.

    JML

    April 7, 2025 at 3:00 pm

    @Martin: I don’t know how i feel about credentialism; on the one hand having a credential isn’t a sinecure…but at the same time we have an even bigger problem with the issue of the death of expertise, and devaluing credentials makes that worse, not better? I’m bloody sick of the idea that everyone’s opinion on everything should be treated with equal weight. That’s how you get more people listening to Joe effing Rogan about vaccinations than medical doctors. that’s how we got the Current Occupant making up tariff rates based on the trade deficits and a chorus of know-nothings pretending it’s all perfect and correct.

    Credentials should matter? So should experience. We can have both.

    The “you are what you make” issue is a bigger one societally than I think we’ll ever really get to, especially in this country. especially when management seems designed to make people not be able to enjoy their jobs, whatever it is…

  56. 56.

    Belafon

    April 7, 2025 at 3:00 pm

    @Suzanne: The bsky creators call them posts, and so do I since I refuse to use the y word.

  57. 57.

    Martin

    April 7, 2025 at 3:01 pm

    @Percysowner: Strip away all of Brooks defenses there and it’s nothing more than ‘the rich want to take it all’, with some quibbling between who are the biggest baddies – the liberal rich or the conservative rich.

    I don’t know how it’s going to end, but it should end with guillotines.

  58. 58.

    Belafon

    April 7, 2025 at 3:03 pm

    @JML: A credentialed person with experience is worth more than just a person with experience, (then, far far away a person with credentials is worth more than one without, but there’s almost no difference between these two groups) but it all still boils down to what they have or can provide as evidence to back their claims.

  59. 59.

    Elizabelle

    April 7, 2025 at 3:05 pm

    @Suzanne:  I’m on bluesky.  I will look her up.

    I can’t do anything except cut and paste!

  60. 60.

    Baud

    April 7, 2025 at 3:09 pm

    @Percysowner:

    From David Brooks, gift link from the Atlantic I Should Have Seen This Coming Been Reading Balloon Juice.

     

    Fixed.

  61. 61.

    p.a.

    April 7, 2025 at 3:11 pm

    @Martin: I made my way through most of Brooks’ drivel, until the “but teh left made us like this” tone drove me off.  Sadly, grieving fools like him will always have a microphone, podium, etc for their half-assed mea culpas.  He’s attained the level where there are no real consequences on a personal level.

  62. 62.

    Kristine

    April 7, 2025 at 3:16 pm

    I was at the Gurnee IL rally. We could tell there were a lot of folks but the crowd was estimated at over 3000.

    One pickup with Trump flags rolled coal, and one young guy hung out of the passenger-side window of another pickup and shot us double-birds. But the honks of support came in waves and at times were walls of sound.

    From what I could see, the crowd tended older and overwhelmingly white. My state rep and senator and county board rep were all there, and Brad Schneider, our US Rep, was there for a half hour or so talking to folks—it’s my understanding that he was going to hit other rallies in his district.

  63. 63.

    Martin

    April 7, 2025 at 3:16 pm

    @JML: Devaluing credentials doesn’t necessarily make it worse. Depends on how it’s done. Credentials create a few incentive problems:

    1. Since that is the job to be done and not learning, cheating and ChatGPT become defensible optimizations to the task. And this impacts faculty as well because they optimize assessment toward tools that are susceptible to those because they’re caught in the same system.
    2. Credentials become something to be bought. You can attach a dollar value to them and bypass the entire system. Diploma mills are one manifestation. For profit colleges are another.
    3. Credentials themselves can be ranked and therefore you create the whole industry of ranking which pulls institutions constantly away from learning and toward gaming the ranking system (this was part of my job). Nothing in the university ranking system measures learning. Nothing. And as a result, learning is a cost to be controlled, not something to be improved.
    4. Because of 2 and 3, this creates the high pressure system for young people we have such that where you get in is a measure of your worth as a person. That both destroys young people, but also completely undermines the educational system. And this competition for top schools gives states license to defund them because why should the state help pay for something that students are so desperate to get?

    I’m not saying we shouldn’t credential people – but you have to actively work against the feedback loop that is set up above, and we don’t do that, even when it’s not that hard to do. Everyone is invested in it both personally and professionally, and everyone is afraid of what they would lose if it goes away.

  64. 64.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    April 7, 2025 at 3:21 pm

    Hiya Steve!

    I was up on the Capitol steps where we hung last time.  It was packed.  What was funny is that I ran into a Denver City Councilman I know, Paul Kashmann, who was trying to squeeze by in order to get closer to the base of the Capitol.  The metro area and Front Range in general has exploded in population over the last 15 years (although Denver proper is declining) but at some levels, Denver remains something of a cow town on a person-to-person level, at least in terms of, if you want, you can definitely get to know specific CC people by basically being a loudmouthed preservationist and developer/development critic.  I massively digress.

    I didn’t march but mistermix and his wife did.  We finally connected for about five minutes.

    Since everybody’s favorite wanker has been mentioned, I’ll repeat what I said this morning:

    David Fucking Brooks, the Republican Testicle Cozy, is simply, for the millionth time, channeling his Republican Detachment Disorder (Driftglass coined that term).

    Brooks continues to peddle the notion that he had nothing to do with the general madness growing within the GOP during his decades as a party functionary and water carrier.  He continues to sell Hair Furor and the MAGAts as some inexplicable anomaly that popped into existent a decade ago instead of what this is really about: the natural, predicted end-state of where the GOP has been heading for 50+ years.

    Brooks is simply embarrassed that the id of the modern GOP has been given a second chance with a ravenous pack of like-minded people in Congress.

    His piece is another in a long-series of him busily ejecting clouds of ink to obscure the fact that his decades of mainstreaming the worst impulses of the GOP helped create the shambling monster now ravaging their castles and 401Ks with the pitchform and torch-wielding villagers at the monster’s side.

  65. 65.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    April 7, 2025 at 3:24 pm

    @Martin:

    There was a guy near me at the Denver rally with an actual guillotine mock up that he could hold with both hands.

    Or other references like:

    Dear 1789

    Picture of a guillotine

    Now I understand

    Or

    Make

    Guillotines

    Great

    Again

  66. 66.

    Martin

    April 7, 2025 at 3:30 pm

    @Belafon: The main problem is there is no effort to assess expertise. We take the credential as such a measure, and it’s not. See the fuckers running the country right now, almost all of whom have degrees from Ivies. I mean, Peter Fucking Navarro has a PhD in Economics from Harvard and a MPA from there. He taught economics for years. He’s as credentialed as they come, and the tariffs are his economic policy, using evidence taken from a persona that is just an anagram of his last name. He doesn’t know what the fuck he’s doing, and hasn’t for decades.

    How’s that working out for us?

    I don’t begrudge the right too much on this point because everyone has experienced the MBA asshole swaggering in and fucking the place up because they don’t know what the fuck they’re doing, compared to the guys who actually do the work. All too often that MBA simply bought their way to a bigger paycheck and gave fuckall whether their incompetence would hurt everyone else. Go watch The Big Short to be reminded just how badly this whole system can go. See also: most of the Supreme Court.

  67. 67.

    Formerly disgruntled in Oregon

    April 7, 2025 at 3:33 pm

    @Suzanne:

    @Scout211:

    @Elizabelle:

    All because Joe Biden (deservedly) called him an asshole…

    The Week (2017)

  68. 68.

    Belafon

    April 7, 2025 at 3:36 pm

    @Martin: On top of that is the issue that expertise is not a requirement for an office. And then, as you point out with SCOTUS, even those with experience can still be evil.

  69. 69.

    Baud

    April 7, 2025 at 3:39 pm

    I’m told no credentials are needed to become a blogger. You don’t even have to attend a blogger ethics panel. #VintageMemes

  70. 70.

    WaterGirl

    April 7, 2025 at 3:40 pm

    @thruppence: Okay.  I will use it in another post.  thank you!

  71. 71.

    Elizabelle

    April 7, 2025 at 3:40 pm

    @Martin:  I agree with you there.

    I have met some well credentialed people without much native smarts or common sense.  Look out!

    And it is a matter of having the time and money to obtain the credential.  Not an equal sorting out.

  72. 72.

    trollhattan

    April 7, 2025 at 3:43 pm

    Utterly OT listening to this John Prine Tiny Desk Concert from 2018 soothed my ragged soul, and also made me miss John Prine.
    youtu.be/sOg7mAkrKJw?si=JRCfkKHM6nFS0cPC

  73. 73.

    Jay

    April 7, 2025 at 3:45 pm

    Credentialism,……………………………………….

    Hum.

    Here, in many sectors, in my personal experience, Credentialism vastly outweighs Proven Ability.

  74. 74.

    Elizabelle

    April 7, 2025 at 3:48 pm

    @Baud:  Or own a wardrobe!  Just cover that camera.

  75. 75.

    Gin & Tonic

    April 7, 2025 at 3:50 pm

    @Baud: So? Where’s your blog?

  76. 76.

    Formerly disgruntled in Oregon

    April 7, 2025 at 3:55 pm

    @trollhattan: John Prine will always be one of the greats! I miss him too.

  77. 77.

    Jay

    April 7, 2025 at 3:59 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    One can blog naked, one can comment on blogs naked. You can Pod Cast naked on Soundcloud.

    You only need some clothes for a You Tube podcast, clothes are optional for an Only Fans.

  78. 78.

    Elizabelle

    April 7, 2025 at 4:02 pm

    @Jay:  Indeed.  It’s getting chilly in here.  (Kidding.)

  79. 79.

    Jay

    April 7, 2025 at 4:04 pm

    The Atlantic reports that our billionaire Interior Secretary Doug Burgum sees his department as a serfdom and demands all the perks of being a billionaire CEO again:

    “Interior Secretary Doug Burgum likes chocolate-chip cookies—preferably freshly baked and still warm.”

    “This peculiar fact became the talk of the Department of Interior in recent weeks after his chief of staff, JoDee Hanson, made an unusual request of the political appointees in his office: Learn to regularly bake cookies for Burgum and his guests, using the industrial ovens at the department headquarters.

    “That request was not the only move by his team that has alarmed some Interior officials. Four people familiar with Burgum’s leadership, who requested anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly, told The Atlantic that Burgum was focused on his status as the leader of a minor Cabinet department and that those who ran his office repeatedly made unusual demands to his employees. His office leadership once instructed political appointees to act as servers for a multicourse meal. They also dispatched a U.S. Park Police helicopter for his personal transportation. On at least one occasion, a political appointee was told to remake the cookies because the batch was subpar, according to three people.”

    Just as a reminder, no one makes a billion Ameros, they STEAL IT. (H/T Fran Lebowitz)

    mockpaperscissors.com/2025/04/07/some-fries-with-your-stupid-doug/

  80. 80.

    Jay

    April 7, 2025 at 4:05 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    Apparently, pants are also optional for Faux “News” Anchors.

  81. 81.

    Rusty

    April 7, 2025 at 4:08 pm

    @Percysowner: Fuck David Brooks.  Moral scold, making conservatives seem palatable to a cosmopolitan readership.  He should start with an apology for that.  Even in that article he takes digs at the left, they somehow kicked conservatives out of universities?  Complete bullshit, they just called the right for what it was.  He continues that utter crap of equating protesting, powerless students, with wealthy, powerful, rightwing institutions and politicians.  He holds himself out as some exemplar of moral standards.   I thought when he ditched his wife and kids to go bang his wealthy and decades younger intern, he might have finally shut up about that, but that wouldn’t be David Brooks.  Go away David, until you can actually take accountability for your actions, something you only expect of others on the left.

  82. 82.

    Martin

    April 7, 2025 at 4:22 pm

    @Jay: Understand the difference between credentialism and credentials. Credentialism is the tendency to believe the degree is a better measure of a persons abilities than demonstrated capability.

    This is not an argument against getting degrees. It’s an argument against the degree being a sole proxy for competence. Nobody has ever really tried to measure whether a Harvard graduate learned more than a graduate of your local state school, and nobody has ever tried to correlate whether having the degree means you learned anything.

    I once had a contract job very early in my career working at a small business that did market valuations of estates. They were all USC MBA grads and very fratty. They would only interview people who came out of the USC MBA program, and then would complain that they didn’t know basic things like what a P/E ratio was or even that a ratio wouldn’t have units when they would guess at it. And I gave them a bit of a hard time over it, that they were so determined to hire a USC MBA (a limited pool) but couldn’t accept that maybe that degree didn’t mean that the person holding it knew what the fuck they were talking about. Thankfully they were doing the knowledge check, but they were also doing credentialism, in part because they understood the value of the private degree which was to limit opportunities to only that degree in order to increase the value of the degree (which they also happened to hold). See also: US Supreme Court.

    The degree is useful, and gets more useful the less credentialism takes place. It’s a decent proxy for who you should be interviewing, but it’s not a substitute for evaluating actual knowledge, skill, experience, and so on. And it can have value above pure experience when it brings new knowledge into the organization, but that needs to be present in the person.

  83. 83.

    Martin

    April 7, 2025 at 4:26 pm

    @Rusty: He’s not wrong. I’ve told the story of my first computer science professor who on the first day announced that every woman should drop the class because he would flunk them regardless of how they did on exams. He got run out just for being a conservative.

  84. 84.

    Scout211

    April 7, 2025 at 4:26 pm

    As an old, I guess I don’t get it.

    But I do get just how popular Jack Schlossberg is on social media.  We need young Democrats to be able to speak to young people on their platforms and in words that get their attention.

    If self-generated scandal is the internet’s most valuable currency, Jack Schlossberg is continuing to grow his wealth.

    Schlossberg, the grandson of former President John F. Kennedy, has become a buzzy, if not enigmatic mouthpiece for a younger generation of Democrats in recent years. On Sunday, he only added to that lore by posting on X that he was having a baby with Vice President JD Vance’s wife Usha Vance.

    “I’m having a son !! So excited about this,” Schlossberg, 32, wrote in a post on Sunday. “Cannot wait for the birth of my next child because today was the best day of my life. Out of wedlock, yes. But we might get married.”

    The cryptic pronouncement was followed up with a post to his Instagramshowing his face photoshopped over a child being held by Usha Vance.

    . . .

    His head-cocking approach to social media is intentional, he previously told MSNBC’s Jen Psaki, who asked him about a social media post in which he once again referenced Vance, asking followers if she was hotter than his grandmother Jackie Kennedy.

    “The internet is a place where it’s difficult to break through,” he told Psaki. “Especially if you’re not saying something that’s controversial or at least somehow unexpected.

    “Democrats play that game not as well as we could,” he continued, “I use my judgment to make posts that I think are funny or silly but have a purpose … flipping people out and getting a reaction is almost half the battle.”

     

    . . .

    Asked if he cared that many of the posts, like one in which he claimed to be actor Justin Baldoni’s lawyer, involve lying, Schlossberg said he didn’t care. Referencing the fast pace of the news cycle and what he perceives as the gullibility of news consumers, he explained that the “game” he’s playing is about pointing out the flaws in the information ecosystem.

    “I can’t help but laugh that people believe something so stupid,” he said.

    Yeah, I don’t get it.  But I am most definitely not his audience.

    ETA:  And Jack Schlossberg has rizz.  Even I can see that. ;-)

  85. 85.

    Ksmiami

    April 7, 2025 at 4:35 pm

    @Betty Cracker: disbarred, jailed, impoverished

  86. 86.

    Jackie

    April 7, 2025 at 4:36 pm

    Well crap.

    Rep. Donald Norcross (D-NJ) has been hospitalized with no indication of when he will return to Congress.

    His office issued a statement Monday saying the 66-year-old had an “emergency medical event likely related to his gallbladder.”

    Without Norcross, the House has 220 Republicans to 212 Democrats.

  87. 87.

    Belafon

    April 7, 2025 at 4:41 pm

    @Jackie: We wanted younger Democrats to take over. God is answering our prayers.

  88. 88.

    Jay

    April 7, 2025 at 4:45 pm

    @Martin:

    I was interviewing for a GM position. 120 person company, Manufacturing and Product Service/Repair. I had a Cert from BCIT, (and a bunch of others), and a 25 year proven track record in MFG, Repair, Inventory, Planning etc including successfully managing a 245 person, 3 shift Union Manufacturer back from the red and bankruptcy into the black.

    The winning candidate, 2 business degrees, 1 MBA, 8 years track record of managing a 10 employee pet shop.

    When I asked why I wasn’t considered for the job, (I have always asked since the 90’s) the answer was:

    “We can’t have someone who is little more than a High School Graduate being the face and in charge of our Company.”

  89. 89.

    Jackie

    April 7, 2025 at 5:09 pm

    @Belafon: Gall bladders don’t care how young or old one is. Hopefully he’s not incapacitated for long.

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