This just arrived in my inbox.
I unsubscribed immediately, and I entered this in the “why are you leaving” box:
I never signed up.
Also, I am appalled that a senator who is not even registered as a DEMOCRAT thinks he should be leading an effort to oust the DEMOCRATIC leader in the Senate.
I have never been a big fan of Bernie but it’s a big tent, and he certainly redeemed himself with me when he supported Biden’s priorities in the senate.
I have seen people claim in the comments here that Bernie is out there on the stump, telling people that Democrats are bad. I find that hard to believe, and I don’t think for a minute that AOC – who is out on the road with him – would be dumb enough to be running around the country saying that.
But Bernie, who his not even a fucking DEMOCRAT – raising money for himself and trying to get Schumer remove as the DEMOCRATIC Leader in the senate – is a bridge too far.
Is that unreasonable? I think if you want a say in the leader of the party, join the fucking party!
Am I wrong?
So It Begins, Uncharted Waters
RepubAnon
Well, Chuck Schumer isn’t very good at his job. However, my scammer sensors go off for things like this. Do we know it really was from Bernie?
coin operated
I’ve often said that the Democratic Party leadership should have (metaphorically speaking) curb-stomped Bernie for his attempt at hijacking the party for his presidential run.
He can eff all the way off with this garbage.
Edit…spelling
Jackie
You are NOT wrong. He’s flying high on his own supply, as the old saying goes…
Albatrossity
I’m with you. Every ounce of energy should be devoted to fighting the clear and present danger we face, and although I’m no fan of Schumer, he ain’t the biggest problem.
Trollhattan
He’s out firing up the yoot and given how despondent the opposition has been since January, I’ll take jumper cables from anybody who chooses to offer them. He and AOC rolled through town a couple days ago.
Any way you care to frame it, drawing 30k nearly two years before the next election is something.
debit
You are most emphatically not wrong.
Aimai
I have never forgiven Bernie for this weird “I’m not a democrat but I can attack democrats” shtick. Never, never, never.
zhena gogolia
You are not wrong.
Eric
Yes you are wrong.
Chief Oshkosh
Meh, I deal with a lot of stoopid all day long. And while this does make the rankings, it’s, at best, in the bottom 10% of stoopid I’ve dealt with today. Still, it is measurable! :)
kindness
Bernie, like true believers of every stripe, sees a different version of himself in the mirror than the rest of us see. And it never enters a true believer’s mind that they may be pushing bullshit on the rest of us.
edgefigaro
This shit ain’t dems vs repubs. That was 2024.
The fascists took over the republican party and then won the election.
2025 is everybody vs the fascists. May as well start sleeping with some of the new everybody.
Welcome to the new world. Don’t catch no diseases.
wmd
He’s a member of the Senate Democratic caucus and as such can and should speak about leadership problems.
He and Schumer may both be putzes, but Schumer is a bigger one.
hoytwillrise
@Trollhattan: And I don’t hear any Dem Senator saying anything near this as. They’re all ‘bi-partisanship’ is all we need !
Tim C.
I don’t like the scammy nature of it either, on the other hand I don’t think it’s directly damaging like other activities. Should they be doing it, no, might it still be put to postivie use? Sure.
Jay
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Revolution
They don’t seem to have done anything since 2017 but fundraise.
Sketchy AF, but legal.
Citizen Dave
You are not wrong. I’d probably not say this about an actual Democrat leader, and I don’t care how vibrant Bernie is, but it’s time for him to get off the goddam stage. Give me 20 Jasmine Crocketts every day of the week.
Ruckus
If bernie was on our side he’d be a democrat.
He’s an independent – not a democrat.
Sure he may agree with our side more than the other one but he is not a democrat. Which means he may lean left, hell he may be more left than he sees the democrat party. But he’s not willing to be a part of it. And that makes him somewhat risky. Now granted he sides with the democrats more often than not, but is that good enough?
I don’t know his congressional voting record so my question above is somewhat rhetorical.
tam1MI
I am not seeing in the image posted where it refers to Chuck Schumer. What am I missing?
Redshift
Was the message sent via The Action Network? I’m constantly getting messages from PACs and other groups on there that I never signed up with. Some groups I’m actually involved with use it for mailings, so I can’t just send everything from it to spam, but I’ve long suspected the platform sells the emails of anyone who’s signed up for anything there. I went and created an account on it so I could check what groups it had me signed up with, and there were like 200 groups on my list.
I guess my point is that it could have been less Bernie personally grifting and more someone in his group doing a “he’s getting a lot of publicity, time to spam all potential members by any means necessary!”
Jackie
In another news dump (it feels like Friday) something else to fret about:
Ruckus
@Citizen Dave:
I like your style!
zhena gogolia
He helped Trump get elected in 2016. No mercy.
He’s planning to run in 2028. And no one cares how old he is.
glory b
@hoytwillrise: Bernie voiced his willingness to work with Trump too.
That seems to be conveniently forgotten
https://www.politico.com/video/2024/12/04/sanders-says-hes-willing-to-work-with-musk-and-trump-on-common-ground
lowtechcyclist
I looked through what you showed of the mailing, and I’m missing the part about Bernie trying to oust Schumer.
And if he’s doing that (I could’ve missed that given the abundance of bigger disasters lately) but it has nothing to do with this mailing, then I don’t get the implied linkage.
I’m just confused.
But the part of the mailing that I noticed was the part about “committing to be a 2024 Movement Builder.” Um, what year is it, guys?
Splitting Image
Bernie reminds me a little of Ron Paul.
I don’t mean that as a compliment.
TONYG
As long as I’ve been a voter (51 years!) the Democratic Party has been a circular firing squad. I guess that non-Democrats like Saint Bernie are now joining in.
tam1MI
I care. If Joe Biden was too old for the Dems, then Sanders needs to make good his promise to retire after this term ends and take his wrinkled old ass back to Vermont.
WaterGirl
@Eric: Okay, it would be helpful if you can please explain why you feel that’s wrong.
Jay
@Redshift:
It’s a 501(C) (4) so Bernie cannot be involved, legally.
It’s staffed and run by The Usual Suspect Staffer’s from Bernie’s 2016 that were dumped from his Campaign in 2020 and 2024.
So, I think you are right, “It’s Bernie’s in the news, release the Grift!”
LeftCoastYankee
It looks like a (now) independent organization that was the remnants of Bernie’s 2016 campaign and headed by the useful idiot Nina Turner.
There’s no mention of her continuing involvement or them being involved in his 2020 campaign or current work.
My guess, they’re probably opportunists grifting off of the current town hall tours.
IMO annoying but not worth being distracted from “keeping our eyes on the prize” (to borrow a phrase from much wiser folks than me)
WaterGirl
@edgefigaro: I can’t quite tell whether your comment is in agreement with my premise, or whether you are taking the other view.
WaterGirl
@wmd: Fair point. If he’s a member of the caucus, he gets a say.
Do the independents get to vote for the Democratic leadership position, by virtue of them being part of the caucus?
Or can only democrats vote for the leadership position? I wondered about this over the summer when we were raising funds for Osborn in NE.
UncleEbeneezer
If we are going to bash Schumer for his recent missteps I think we should also credit him with holding the split Senate together enough to get all the Biden judges into positions where they are the only ones with any power to stop Trump. Hell, just managing to get the Inflation Reduction Act in a 50-50-1 Senate despite Manchin/Synema is an achievement most Senate leaders could only dream of putting on their resume. He wasn’t ALWAYS bad and anyone claiming so has a very short memory.
prostratedragon
No!
Baud
@tam1MI:
Same.
rusty
Whatever you think of Schumer’s leadership (and to be clear, I am not a fan), Bernie is not the one to be leading any change. He is one of the most ineffective members of the legislature. He hasn’t passed a single piece of major legislation, he is often more a hinderance than a help behind the scenes on Democratic priorities (yes, he mostly votes from them , but that is it). For all his years in Washington, he has almost no friends or colleagues who want to work with him. Schumer isn’t making things happen at the moment, but Bernie has never made things happen.
WaterGirl
@tam1MI: @lowtechcyclist:
Oh, sorry, I just added a screen capture of the first part of the email. It’s up top now, but I’ll add it here, too.
Princess
I don’t know what’s going to work or not work to change the country so I’m not going to go out here and tell people how to fight Trump. But prima facie I’m not super wowed by what Bernie and AOC are doing or particularly impressed by the crowds they’re drawing. Maybe fundraising off Schumer and staring the 2028 primary today is the way to go — lord knows, I’ve been wrong…pretty consistently. But I don’t see it.
Delicate Butterfly
Bernie and AOC are out there getting crowds fired up to oppose Trump.
What is Schumer doing? What is Hakeem Jeffries doing? They ain’t doing shit. Well, promoting a coloring book as part of the outreach to illiterate democrats is something, I guess.
WaterGirl
@Jackie: Unless SCOTUS plans to slap him down, I find it super annoying that they are willing to hear this case in less than a month when they took their sweet time, and then some, on all the prosecutions in 2024.
Princess
@coin operated: The Dems don’t curb stomp Bernie for the same reason the gop didn’t curb stomp Trump; Bernie just isn’t as good at what he does as Trump is.
Baud
@Princess:
We don’t have enough people to curb stomp anyone. Same reason we didn’t curb stomp Manchin or Sinema.
glory b
Remember, David Hogg ( A MISTAKE TO MAKE DNC VICE CHAIR!!) is now sending out mailers for his Leaders We Deserve PAC, whose goal is to spend $20 million to primary sitting Democratic elected officials.
He mentions on X and Bluesky that he knows he will be attacked for his bold stance to fight the party from within. The unconfirmed report is that within a week of taking office, he took the DNC mailing lists and voter information to begin fundraising for his PAC.
although there seem to be only 2 employees (that might be wrong), David and Maxwell Frost’s campaign chair, the PAC has spent over $600,000 on salaries.
He has also gloated that he is biding his time until the Boomers in the party all die off.
Young white guys deciding that this is a great time to blow up the party.
lowtechcyclist
@Citizen Dave:
I think Jasmine Crockett is great, but Bernie was out there getting people fired up earlier this year when the party’s leadership was back on its heels and didn’t seem to know how to react.
I’m not gonna say anything bad about that, and I think anyone who has a problem with it should ask themselves, “who’s the purity pony now?”
Baud
@LeftCoastYankee:
That makes sense.
Gin & Tonic
@Delicate Butterfly: That you, mistermix?
WaterGirl
@UncleEbeneezer: I think Schumer did a great job in a basically 50-50 senate. Truly. He was the right guy for then.
Now what we need is a different skill set for the Senate Minority Leaders, and I don’t think Schumer has the right skills.
Trollhattan
Meanwhile, what are the assholes up to?
God damn it. Think that’s another commandment broken, just today.
New Deal democrat
Two more important news clips:
1. The headline says it all:
“U.S.-born man from Georgia held for ICE under Florida’s new anti-immigration law.”
From the article:
“ Based on her inspection of his birth certificate and Social Security card, [Florida Leon County Judge LaShawn] Riggans said she found no probable cause for the [state] charge. However, the state prosecutor insisted the court lacked jurisdiction over Lopez-Gomez’s release because U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement had formally asked the jail to hold him.”
https://georgiarecorder.com/2025/04/17/georgia-born-man-held-for-ice-under-floridas-new-anti-immigration-law/
2. The extremely conservative Fourth Circuit has *had enough* of T—-p’s refusal to return Abrego Garcia:
“ Reagan appointee Wilkinson writes that the Trump admin’s position is ‘shocking not only to judges, but to the intuitive sense of liberty that Americans … still hold dear’.”
And
“’We yet cling to the hope that it is not naïve to believe our good brethren in the Executive Branch perceive the rule of law as vital to the American ethos.’”
https://bsky.app/profile/reichlinmelnick.bsky.social/post/3lmzspwvkrs2b
I wish I could feel confident the GOP 6 on the Supreme Court will at last stop finding loopholes and trapdoors to enable T—-p.
ETA from Steve Vladeck:
”The opinion by Judge Wilkinson for the Fourth Circuit denying the government’s most recent request for a stay or mandamus against Judge Xinis’s rulings in the Abrego García case is especially powerful when you consider it was written by … Judge Wilkinson”
Jay
@WaterGirl:
For both the Senate Parties, it’s members of the Caucus, not just members of the Parties. So Bernie and Angus King are in.
While many Progressive and other Democratic Party members are disappointed in Schumer, of late, nobody is “officially” taking a “run” at him.
But it’s a great “grift” angle to play on the anger and disappointment.
WaterGirl
@rusty:
I agree with that! I don’t disagree with a lot of Bernie’s ideas, but maybe all talk and few accomplishments.
WaterGirl
@Delicate Butterfly: Thank you for making it crystal clear that you are not batting for the Democratic team.
glory b
@lowtechcyclist: Bernie has set himself up nicely. He’s an independent when he doesn’t want to be a party member, but joins the party each election cycle in order to knock out anyone who might challenge him for his seat.
Note that he’s talking oligarchs and “Trumpism,” not Republicans.
And called himself ready to work with Trump and Musk.
Steve LaBonne
You are very right for whatever my opinion is worth. Also I think Our Revolution should go perform a variety of anatomically improbable acts.
Doug R
@Albatrossity:
Yup. This is no time for $ scamming wrapped in leader dissing and open rebellion.
That’s for us commentors.
Eric
@WaterGirl: sure. Bernie votes with Democrats, is making public appearances with AOC, and his message is popular. And why would anyone have a problem with pushing the ineffective Democratic leadership out of the way? Is it just because he’s an Independent? Bernie is very effective at combating Trump’s popularism (if that is a word) than most any other Democratic.
I also don’t think this is the thing any of us should be upset about. Maybe that’s just me. I’ve seen your posts before and you seen very reasonable. I get that some things just ruffle everyone’s feathers but this shouldn’t be it for you, I don’t believe.
WaterGirl
@glory b: Voting DNC members didn’t cover themselves with glory with their recent elections.
Delicate Butterfly
Also, Schumer voted with the Republicans on the funding bill and we’re so concerned that opposition to him isn’t coming from the right people?
Jesus fucking Christ – here is the problem with opposition to Trump tied up with a bow on top.
lowtechcyclist
@LeftCoastYankee:
Any org that Nina Turner has anything to do with is automatically on my shit list, that’s for sure.
WaterGirl
@Gin & Tonic: Yeah, I nearly went back to check to see if that was an exact quote.
Captain C
@WaterGirl: The Vermont equivalent of ‘all hat and no cattle.’ Maybe ‘all syrup and no maple’?
lowtechcyclist
@WaterGirl:
Thanks – that was the missing piece.
prostratedragon
Schumer is blue-slipping two USAtty nominees, Southern and Eastern Districts of New York.
“Donald Trump has made clear he has no fidelity to the law and intends to use the Justice Department, the U.S. attorney offices and law enforcement as weapons to go after his perceived enemies,” Schumer said in a statement to the Daily News.
“Such blatant and depraved political motivations are deeply corrosive to the rule of law and leaves me deeply skeptical of Donald Trump’s intentions for these important positions. For that reason, I will not return the blue slip for the U.S. attorney nominees for the Southern and Eastern Districts of New York.”
edgefigaro
@WaterGirl: I’m saying you should go have sloppy, shitty make up situationship sex with the bernie crew.
It is fine to be annoyed by the prospect. You will not leave satisfied.
It won’t be the last strange bed you wake up in this year.
Delicate Butterfly
@WaterGirl:
And you’re battling for Schumer who voted with the Republicans on the funding bill.
The fact that you’re concerned about the “democratic team” exemplifies the preening ineffectiveness of said “team.”
WaterGirl
@Eric: I appreciate the feedback, it’s useful, thank you.
Sure Lurkalot
@glory b:
Yeah, and every Democratic senator voted to confirm Marco Rubio as Secretary of State.
We could do this for years.
I have no illusions about Bernie, he’s both sanctimonious and a snake while also inspiring millions of people to think or rethink what they deserve as citizens of a wealthy nation and what having to cozy up to monied interests for political campaigns has cost in real terms.
His detractors are convinced he’s running in 2028 despite what he says. Maybe Gavin Newsom will be better? You know, the guy who says that advocating for Mr. Garcia is a distraction and spends his time finding common ground with Charlie Kirk and Steve Bannon.
WaterGirl
@Captain C: I had the same thought as you (hat, cattle) but couldn’t figure out how to make it work.
WaterGirl
@lowtechcyclist: Yeah, I got riled up – that’s when I’m most likely to forget things or make mistakes when I am editing something.
Damn emotions!
WaterGirl
@prostratedragon: I think he should blue-slip nearly all of them!
different-church-lady
@RepubAnon:
Your scammer sensor went off, so yes, it was from Bernie.
(Kidding.)
(…I think…)
Eric
@WaterGirl: thank you for sharing here and always being open and honest.
We’re all on the same team here (I think) so it’s a good forum to have these discussions.
sentient ai from the future
I mean, annoyed I can understand. But I’m still pretty creeped out that I share a bunch of opinions with Bloody Bill Kristol, Liz Cheney, and Jenn Rubin.
Once the fash have been hung out to dry, then there is a long list of people I anticipate fights with before finally getting around to bernie and his worst stans.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@WaterGirl:
Precisely.
I was at the Denver AOC/Sanders stump. She went out of her way to praise the entire CO delegation including our two Senators. He didn’t say a thing about Dems, his points were mostly his longtime economic stances combined with generic statements about defending the Constitution, stopping Trumpism, etc.
Bernie’s a scold, that’s his talent. He’s never been a doer. Instead he’s a charismatic who doesn’t play well with others but has a knack, whether his detractors like it or not, of whipping up enthusiasm.
And heaven help us if Governor Goodhair II gets the (D) nomination. Thank goodness he’s doing his best to prevent that.
Baud
As others have said, I’m not sure Bernie is still involved with Our Revolution. I’m not averse to criticizing him, but I’m not going to participate in a fake war.
Interesting Name Goes Here
The only difference between Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump is that Bernie Sanders has a conscience that he hasn’t figured out a way to suppress or kill just yet.
WaterGirl
@Sure Lurkalot: I look at Newson and wonder why he is choosing to flush his image down the toilet since this election. Repeatedly.
Salty Sam
Christ on a pogo stick, does ANYONE read disclaimers and fine print anymore?
At the very bottom, it reveals that this is put out by “Our Revolution”. It also says “Not authorized by any candidate or candidate committee”.
It’s a grift, plain and simple. Nowhere in that ad does it quote Bernie Sanders. They use an old photo of Sanders standing at a lectern with an “Our Revolution” logo to make it APPEAR as if it is Sanders making the ask.
It’s no wonder we keep losing.
New Deal democrat
@WaterGirl:
I agree 100%. As I’ve said before, Schumer is simply not a wartime consigliere.
Dan Guild, whose analyses I greatly respect, wrote yesterday:
”The Party is SCREAMING that our leadership is too damn old. The inability of the consultant class to see the damage it is doing to the Democratic Party brand is incredible.”
https://nitter.poast.org/dcg1114/status/1912649519348560166#m
P.S. Sorry if my earlier comment was too off topic. I just thought those were both really important news stories.
Jay
@glory b:
Half the Candidates the Leaders We Deserve PAC is backing are women, roughly half the Candidates are POC.
They are young though, 20 years or more younger than the average age of a sitting Rep or Senator, (58) and much younger than the 40% that are over 60.
Gretchen
Same with David Hogg. This isn’t the moment to spend money primarying Democrats in safe seats.
WaterGirl
@Baud:
If the supposition is that this isn’t Bernie, then I would bet my house that Bernie has not said to them – hey, quit fundraising for YOUR organization in such a way that it looks like it’s coming from me.
I’ll also bet that he has never made an announcement on social media or anywhere that he is no longer affiliated with that organization.
Fake war? I expect better from you, Baud. :-)
hoytwillrise
@lowtechcyclist: Nothing is stopping Crockett or any other Dem from doing the same things. But they aren’t.
Delicate Butterfly
@Interesting Name Goes Here:
SDS
WaterGirl
@New Deal democrat:.
Nope, those were both fine!
Baud
@WaterGirl:
True, Bernie doesn’t put a stop to bad stuff that people say in his name.
HopefullyNotcassandra
I do not know.
yet, I am firmly in the can we please stop blaming democrats for what the republicans are doing? camp.
I do not know because I am not in the senate. Only senators can know if Senator Shumer’s rationale for funding this regime was the right choice in the hobson’s dilemma the rational senators faced. I would not fund this effort of Senator Saunders.
Yet, I do know for a fact Senator Saunders is out in the country firing up the opposition to all of this gop insanity. We need that desperately. He drew a crowd of 200,000.
How is that for a hamlet-like dither? We need to keep our friends and like minded acquaintances together is my only decisive point on this one.
WaterGirl
@Gretchen:
DO NOT GET ME STARTED ABOUT DAVID HOGG.
So disappointing.
Baud
@New Deal democrat:
The House leadership isn’t old.
HopefullyNotcassandra
@Salty Sam: oh crimine
The crooked cons are truly pouring out of the woodwork under this regime !
3letterjon
I wouldn’t vote for my union to be led by someone who refused to join, but that guy wanted to be the representative of a political party he wouldn’t join? That’s just bad leadership, so I rejected him from the get-go.
I actually could like the guy, but he keeps acting the fool the minute he thinks there’s a buck to be gained from it. He’s got a bunch of Yes-Folk in his inner circle, doesn’t take well to criticism of any sort, and generally rubs me the wrong way with every third or fourth decree from his email grifting.
Baud
@Jay:
My issue is that Hogg shouldn’t be a DNC official if he wants to fight primary battles. I don’t have an issue with his PAC per se.
glory b
@Delicate Butterfly: By voting for the funding bill, the numerous lawsuits filed by fired federal employees were kept alive.
The law allows the executive to separate as many employees as deemed appropriate if the government goes unfunded for 30 days, a deadline the Republicans were only too happy to cross.
That means that those suits would have to be dismissed, as the change in circumstances would mean that the administration would now have a lawful basis for their discharge.
And the fact that you’re still pushing the long discredited and easily disproven lie about Hakeem Jeffries, maliciously spread by Dave Weigel makes me believe you are that oh so delicate, unable to stand pushback flower, mistermix.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Sure Lurkalot:
Wait, he actually said that? I hate that shit! I’m sorry, but defending the civil rights of a person, who had a legal right to be here, sent to a foreign gulag without due process, is not a “distraction”. Trump is already on record as wanting to ship US citizens to El Salvador. His government has already shown what it thinks about constitutional rights and due process.
Newsom is a fucking fool if he truly believes it’s a distraction
Baud
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
I googled and couldn’t find his quote.
New Deal democrat
@Baud:
Point taken.
I read a poll the other day that indicated that something like only 60% of Democrats thought Schumer should remain minority leader. That’s abysmal coming from one’s own team.
Baud
@New Deal democrat:
Senate Dems seem to like him enough.
Delicate Butterfly
@glory b:
What’s the lie about Jeffries?
And, please, be explicit. it may surprise you to learn that there are people who don’t spend their lives online and I have no idea who Dave Weigel is.
narya
If it is a grift–and it sure does appear that way–and it’s not directly from or supported by Bernie, I wouldn’t be surprised. (I am not a Sanders fan in that I think he bashes Dems, in public, way way too often.) The reason I wouldn’t be surprised? My guess is that grifty folks have seen the crowds that Bernie and AOC are pulling and decided to try to lift some money out of people’s pockets from the crowds and the people who are heartened by them.
Salty Sam
Nah. Same as it ever was.
HopefullyNotcassandra
@comrade scotts agenda of rage:
He does have good hair. He also has been an excellent governor. Don’t believe the gop frame of California. The state is not broke. Homelessness is caused by too many people wanting to live in CA, a whole lot of people living in CA (the traffic does not look to be less) and little available land to easily build on anywhere close to where most of the people want to live. The state is thriving. If the whole country was thriving like California, we would be soaring economically
So, what does this president do? Try to kill the golden goose that is supporting rural America. To be fair, this president’s policies are killing rural America, perhaps permanently.
I think Governor Newsom is listening to too many techbros, otherwise. Although, he did stand by President Biden when the techbros were screaming (like terrible 2’s) about the audacity of President Biden daring to regulate them.
Baud
I’m on Reddit a lot and it has a big Bernie fan base. Half of them are really excited about him and AOC. The other half seem to use them to hate on Dems. The latter group could be mostly trolls for all I know.
glory b
@Jay: I’m a female POC and I don’t care. Now is not the time to enter into internecine warfare.
Also, if Hogg stole information that the DNC spent time, effort and donations (including mine!) to start this PAC, he should be made to step down, he’s not to be trusted.
And as shown in my reply to Delicate Butterfly, too many people don’t understand how this works and are too quick to jump to incorrect conclusions to start this now.
WTFGhost
You’re not wrong. At the same time, he does caucus, meaning he votes with them on “who will be minority leader?” so, somewhere along the line, he gets to speak up, if only to say “I’m disappointed this is who I voted for; aren’t you all?”
I think you probably stuck a pin right in the center of what is wrong. It was his first question, the big lead-in, and it wasn’t even about policy, but a popular personal poll… “come on, you have feelings about Schumer, positive or negative, let us have them!”
schrodingers_cat
@glory b: He is a grifter who tells mostly white lefties what they want to hear. I will never forgive him for his tantrum at HRC’s nominating convention
Lymie
@WaterGirl: I think that is unfair. A lot of us are disappointed in many of the Democrats in congress.
There is nothing in the email that you shared that uses Bernie’s name, who knows if they are authorized to use his image? Bernie is sincere and clear, I don’t know why you are against him, it’s turning into a circular firing squad.
We need leaders who are charismatic and willing to take positions and make mistakes. AOC qualifies doubly with being young. I love the Bernie and Alexandra show.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@HopefullyNotcassandra:
I dislike him for a wide variety of policy reasons, nothing to do with GOP framing and everything to do with those policies coming from billionaires like Theil and other assorted tech bros.
I did say last summer that he redeemed himself kinda in his support of Biden in the face of all the calls for him to step down.
His podcast over the last several months hasn’t exactly helped him with Dems like me.
schrodingers_cat
@narya: He should then stop them for grifting in his name.
Steve in the ATL
@Ruckus:
QFT
Doug R
@WaterGirl:
Hogg had his classmates murdered in front of him so he got into activism when he was really young. So he’s going to make a few mistakes.
Delicate Butterfly
@schrodingers_cat:
Yes, Bernie should stop traveling around the country firing up tens of thousands of people and, instead, focus on Brand Management.
Jay
@Baud:
How many times have commenters here castigated the DNC for doing the same old, same old? In theory, sitting as Vice Chair of the DNC is one job, running a PAC is another job.
While there are allegations that there is/was some “illegal” crossover, that’s between the DNC, which has both legal and administrative remedies, and the PAC.
IMHO, the only reason to run uncontested Primaries(s), is if the Incumbent is a “rock star” in their District.
The reason to run contested primaries is to prevent ossification, group think, etc.
Running in a Primary is one thing, winning is another.
A lot of the current Democratic Party “Resistance Fighters” won by contesting a Dem Incumbent. Some won by running against ReThug Incumbents in Red and purple ridings.
Steve in the ATL
@Baud:
When are the nominations for understatement of the year?
gvg
Doesn’t it say not authorized by any Senate candidate or candidate committee? And aren’t they supposed to get in trouble if they coordinate with a candidate? I mean we know the republicans do it anyway, but our side trys not to. Sanders doesn’t have the best record when it comes to followers. Decades after he is dead, there will be some using his name that he probably wouldn’t like, as well as some he would that we won’t like.
But we can’t tell if this even comes from genuine supporters. It would be a good way to ratfuck democrats, so it could be completely fake.
Also Bernie is a natural scold and complainer. One thing to check on is how well he likes Schumer as a person. It made a huge difference that he liked Biden personally.
Salty Sam
Please, enlighten us as to how he should accomplish that?
Interesting Name Goes Here
@Doug R: Making mistakes is fine…except when it’s absolutely not, and this is one of those times.
Hogg sounds like he’s going to be one of those cases where the best thing for him to do would be to shut the hell up and read the room for a few years, lest he undercut and undermine everything he ostensibly claims to be for in the pursuit of Perfection.
schrodingers_cat
@Delicate Butterfly: He is firing them up to do what exactly?
schrodingers_cat
@Salty Sam: That’s not my job, I am not his personal lawyer nor his campaign finance person.
HopefullyNotcassandra
@Trollhattan: 200,000 I heard was their biggest.
I don’t think we should do anything to shut that down.
It also seems that this whole letter is a grift not from Senator Saunders.
Jay
@schrodingers_cat:
The only, only Politician, who has ever used the legal system to stop a PAC from grifting in their name, is DJTdiot.
And that was because he wasn’t getting a cut, either through money laundering, nepotism on the board, or transfers of money to his grift PACs.
Everybody else see’s it as “free push advertising”, even when the frequency of the blegs is pissing off their own voters.
Interesting Name Goes Here
@Salty Sam: A few cease and desist letters would be a great step in that direction. Maybe even calling them out directly.
Problem is, when you’re in it for the glory and not for the betterment of others, doing things like that to serve the latter ends up hurting your chances at the former.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
For whom? I never hear who should replace Schumer in what I gather is exercise in hearding cats. I notice Bernie is not volunteering for the position.
Baud
@Jay:
I don’t see how that’s responsive. DNC officials shouldn’t individually be involved in primary battles IMHO.
WTFGhost
@Delicate Butterfly: Well… Schumer made a vote, and he was, in my opinion, wrong, but, he made it in good faith, for good-to-him reasons.
To me, he is owed fury while he leads, and is owed decent toasts and warmly affectionate introductions to his speaking gigs, if he departs leadership soon enough (or, as seems impossible, becomes a powerfully effective leader).
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Baud:
Dave Weigel has it, via X (Twitter)
ETA: Newsom wants to hammer Trump on tariffs, which is a good issue to hit him on, but I mean, we have to call out lawlessness like the Garcia case too, because Trump has made it abundantly clear he will go after US citizens too, more than likely people who’s only crime was opposing him, and send them without due process to a foreign concentration camp without any chance of escape.
We’ve seen this movie before, in Nazi Germany and Argentina in the 1970s
HopefullyNotcassandra
@schrodingers_cat: What is he trying to achieve? He is trying with all of his brain, energy and might to beat back the fascists because all these fascists “bound to lose.”
https://youtu.be/VwcKwGS7OSQ?si=UnoQwOzGKhuaOW1n
Please believe me here. We do not want to play the role of Rosa Luxembourg even if we do so defending centrism this time. These fascists bound to lose, friend. Let us make that happen as soon as freaking possible.
Baud
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
Thanks. Very weird what Newsom is doing now.
tam1MI
There’s a harm reduction aspect to how to react to Hogg’s PAC that needs to be taken into consideration. Yes, it’s possible that Dems in safe districts getting primaried is not ideal. But Hogg’s PAC money is going to go somewhere. Would we prefer it went to 3rd party candidates to bleed away support from vulnerable Dems in knife edge-districts? Because when it comes to Bernie bro types, that is always a real possibility.
Geminid
@New Deal democrat: While I realize that Schumer’s support among Democrats is a different matter than the more general question of leadership being too old, that 60% number does not square with Dan Guild’s assertion that “the Party is SCREAMING that the leadership is too damn old.”
I’ve gotten to the point where, when I see some pundit claiming that “the Base wants This!” or “the Party is screaming for That!” I just say to myself, “Thank you for your analysis, but why don’t you speak for your own dam’ self and leave the rest of us out of it.”
Steve in the ATL
@Baud: he seems to be tanking his shot at the presidency by all his recent actions. Unfortunately for Newsome and beloved Balloon Juice poster HinTN, having great hair is not enough to win the office.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Baud:
NP. I agree, it is deeply strange. I don’t understand who he thinks he’s appealing to with this dumb stuff
HopefullyNotcassandra
@schrodingers_cat: There is no way for him to do that short of diverting time, money and energy from fighting fascists to fight these guys in court and likely lose. While the first amendment might not exist (as this Supreme Court is corrupted) to protect non-gop befuddled-speak, it certainly still exists to clobber somebody like Bernie Sanders should he try to protect his very public name and ideology from grifters.
Please hear me. I could not even spell Senator Sanders name until today. I truly thought there was a “u”. I accidentally increased my credibility on this issue with a big, old spelling error.
Jay
@gvg:
It’s a 501(C)(4), so legally, none of the Sander’s or Sander’s staff or Campaign can be legally involved.
If it were changed to a 501(C)(1), they could, and it’s a simple change, but a big change in reporting.
Anybody can create a 501(C)(4), attach any Politician’s nym or and Claimed Cause, and they don’t have to actually spend much of the money they take in, other than on trips, salaries, spas, custom podiums, etc.
They do have to report what they spend and take in, quarterly.
In theory, “potential donors” will look those numbers up to see if it’s a grift on not, before donating. Few do, so it’s a lucrative grift even on the margins of no name candidates, and no name causes.
It reminds me of the old grift.
Ad in the back of the National Enquirer, (back in the day when print had classifieds).
“Learn how to become a millionaire in just 1 year. Mail $1 and a self addressed stamped envelope to PO Box XYZ”.
Sho nuff, instructions came on how to become a millionaire in just 1 year.
“Take out an ad in the Classifieds of the National Enquirer, saying,…………………..”
schrodingers_cat
@HopefullyNotcassandra: I don’t trust him. I have no idea what centrism means. Or what Rosa Luxembourg means in this context
Also how is his roadshow fighting fascists?
tam1MI
I wouldn’t write him off just yet. Three years is plenty of time to recover from any mistakes he makes now. And Joe Normie Voter sometimes has very different ideas of who constitutes a great candidate than we do.
Jay
@Baud:
The DNC and DNC officials are always involved in Primary Battles. It’s part of their jobs. In the past, they have kicked up and comers off the ticket in favour of an ossified fossil, once in a blue moon, kicked the Incumbent to the curb, most often because of “bad blood” between the Incumbent and the DNC.
Baud
@Jay:
They aren’t though. I know the DCCC supports incumbents, and maybe the DNC supports an incumbent president, not individual officials like a DNC Veep does not get involved in individual primary battles, to my knowledge. And Hogg is a DNC Veep.
dc
@Jay: How does one find out how they spend the money they raise?
The organization is not affiliated with any candidate, at least formally and for tax purposes.
prostratedragon
@WaterGirl: (Got busy for a while) I think a Senator can only do it with nominees for their State.
Jay
@Interesting Name Goes Here:
The legalities of a 501(C)(4) is that you don’t need permission from a Public Figure to use their name or cause.
Cease and Desist, round file,
public denouncement, well that kinda wounds all the PAC’s that are yours and your campaigns, because which ones are, which ones aren’t and your nym get’s tied to “grifting”.
These are “mailers” going out, spam.
Steve in the ATL
@HopefullyNotcassandra: you obviously have Clarence Saunders on your mind. And who among us doesn’t love Piggly Wiggly?
am
No, it’s not unreasonable to be annoyed. I think Bernie can be counterproductive and his ego gets in his way. More times than not, the opposite is true, though.
It’s a big tent and he caucuses with Democrats so I see no reason to worry too much! I would substitute and Republican with Bernie right now, 100 times out of 100. Same would go for Schumer. I see no reason to be forced to take sides.
Old Man Shadow
I personally find it more offensive that their solution to all of these huge existential threats coming from inside the White House is “GIMME MONEY!”
I mean, Jesus… unless you’re the ACLU or one of the lawyers actually trying to fight these cases, maybe map it out for me how “GIMME MONEY!” works to doing jack shit right now?
Suzanne
1. Schumer should retire, IMO. Or at least step down from leadership. He handled his recent episode poorly.
2. Sanders shouldn’t be sending this email out. He should sit his ass down on this issue.
3. Some other Senate Dems should push on Schumer so that the call comes from inside the house. Courage, grasshoppers.
4. Sanders’ tour with AOC right now is building excitement and that’s good for the Party in general.
glory b
@Delicate Butterfly: I’m not surprised, I don’t spend as much time as you might think, I have a job, a house, a husband, children, family and an elderly mother who requires help.
Weigel, who nurtures a deep dislike of many Democrats, described the Jeffries tour like it consisted of speaking to young children in reading circles.
Jeffries wrote a book for children about American democracy based on a speech he had given. While the book was available for sale at those venues, just like Bernie’s book is at his rallies (quelle surprise!).
But rather than just making a stump speech to a large crowd (during which Sanders always asks for money), Jeffries spoke to moderators, like journalists from NPR and progressive podcaster Brian Tyler Cohen, about the effect of the most recent elections, aspects of our democracy, and questions from the audience.
To dismiss these serious conversations as the equivalent of children’s reading circles is insulting to his audiences and him.
I will also note that shortly after winning her primary, AOC put Jeffries in her gunsights for a primary challenge, but was pretty firmly rebuffed by his constituents, with whom he is very popular.
This discussion was had a couple months ago with front pager mistermix, who, when he could no longer refute the evidence presented to him, flounced off in a cloud of butthurt and Cole admonished us not to hurt his fee fees anymore.
this is already plowed soil.
West of the Rockies
@Suzanne: I would like to sign up for your newsletter.
glory b
@Suzanne: I always wonder about the praise AOC gets. National numbers show that, since she’s been in office, young people are voting more Republican and every borough in NYC is more Republican as well.
If she’s bringing excitement, it’s not showing.
As I recall, a theme during Trump’s first campaign was to point out that OF COURSE Hillary was corrupt! You didn’t have to believe him, BERNIE SANDERS SAYS SO!!
Without pushback from Bernie, because he was, indeen, saying so.
Hillary challenged him several times to offer proof, he never did but never stopped.
Which is why his later campaigning for her was meaningless. The damage had been done.
Jay
@schrodingers_cat:
Rosa Luxemburg was one of the key propagandists/agitators of the German Communist Party. Unfortunately, both she and the Party railed mostly against the Socialists, the government in power, at the time, not the Reich wing and Oligarchy/Prussians that were the root cause of the workers dissent, rather than make common cause, (the Socialists were as much to blame).
When the Workers Revolt happened, the the Reich wing and Oligarchy/Prussians formed up and loosed the FreiKorps, (brutal PMC’s comprised of WWI Veterans) on the masses, crushed the revolt, the Communist leadership were taken out and shot, bodies buried in mass graves or thrown in rivers.
laura
Bernie Sanders and our revolution continue to try and split the Democratic party and make money while doing it. He and AOC were show ponying it up here yesterday and continue to make mouth sounds about the billionaires and the crime of accepting large donations. Until and unless citizens united is reversed or rendered inoperable, it would be political suicide to run elections with a built in financial shortfall. I resent 3rd parties attempts to hijack a party they will not join and then piss and moan forever about the unfairness of it all.
And I’d sure like to know how jumped up little shit pants David Hogg got my phone number in order to text me this very morning looking for a quick $25.00 for his personal PAC in order to primary democrats he seems too old or too unentertaining for his liking instead of working his sinecure at the DNC to build out State Party electoral machinery.
In conclusion, fuck these fuckers.
Ruckus
@Splitting Image:
I don’t mean that as a compliment.
That’s quite OK. Bernie is an independent, meaning he doesn’t fall in line with either side. Now he doesn’t seem to be an idiot either, he just refuses to take sides other than on each issue. He’s trying not to restrict himself, except he has restricted himself by being independent. It boils down to he’s not a friend nor an enemy. In a country with 2 rather independent parties, that have gotten much farther apart in the last few years.
What I think he wants is the power to be the final arbiter of laws.
IOW the power to be a god.
Jay
@dc:
They have to file quarterly reports with the FEC, which are available, (were available) via the FEC website.
glory b
@laura: As I had said, it’s suspected that he stole the mailing & donor lists complied by the DNC in order to jumpstart his PAC.
chemiclord
Schumer is a politician, not a resistance leader. He was elected to be the former, the country is demanding the latter.
Jay
@Baud:
sweet, sweet summer child,
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/new-hampshire-attorney-general-accuses-dnc-voter-suppression-rcna132945
Baud
@Jay:
LOL. That’s nothing like what we’re talking about here. That was the DNC rightly enforcing its own rules. That’s pretty weak sauce.
laura
@glory b: I just emailed the DNC (democrats.org) asking for an answer. Should I receive a reply, I’ll share it.
schrodingers_cat
@glory b: IIRC AOC’s district swung in the R direction by around 20 points or so.
Rs increased their vote share in New England as well.
schrodingers_cat
@glory b: And the DOGE account was retweeting Hogg approvingly, about Ds needing change.
glory b
@tam1MI: At the moment, it looks like the money will be going into Hogg’s pocket.
Over $600,000 in salaries, $12,00 in political donations.
Suzanne
@glory b: She’s brought a ton of excitement. She has higher favorability ratings than any other Dem in the recent Yale Youth Poll.
Now, whether or not that excitement reliably translates to votes/action is the big and important question. But there’s no question in my mind that she generates excitement.
But I also think that generating excitement can be good for the entire Party, not just for her. We’ve also used star power, good looks, and rizz to our benefit in the past, so I don’t see why we’d deny their effectiveness.
hells littlest angel
Excepi for a little bit of nastiness, I found this thread enlightening. It’s nice to hear people disagreeing civilly, or just having different interpretations of the facts. I’m lukewarmly pro-Schumer (and lukewarmly pro-Sanders), but I can see why others would feel differently.
WaterGirl
@glory b:
The operative questions would be, i think, whether having access to the DNC database: 1) is a perk that comes along with being chair or vice-chair, and 2) even if it is a perk, are there are any rules or regulations relative to how you are entitled to use the information?
We need the answers to those questions before we can say whether Hogg stole them or used them inappropriately.
If it’s the former or even the latter, he should be removed from the vice-chair position. If not, it sucks to be the DNC and have left yourself wide open to abuse by unsavory characters.
Have we learned nothing about codifying things into rules instead of just relying on “gentlemen’s agreements”.
Suzanne
@chemiclord: Schumer can be a good guy, as well as somewhat unsuited to our current moment.
Jay
@glory b:
Young people get their “news” from social media like You Tube, the Dead Bird Site, Podcasts, Tic Toc.
All of that is dominated by the Reich. 70/30 for podcasts.
There is some good news though, it is mostly males going Reich, because their feeds are dominated by Rogan/Peterson/Tate Brothers/ PUA’s/FSA’s etc and they have been stewing in that swamp since they were 16.
Women are going marginally left, because their social media feeds are their friends, fashionista’s, etc, but the algo’s will in 10 clicks or less take you from a “smoky eye” how to Tic Tok to a TradWife Tic Tok.
WaterGirl
@Lymie:
If they aren’t authorized to use Bernie’s image – which is front and center under the name of the organization – Bernie should be speaking up.
Since he isn’t, it would appear that this has his approval. They are clearing making bank off of the Bernie association.
Shorter: It sure LOOKS LIKE it’s coming from a Bernie group. That’s on them, not on me for not reading all the fine print.
glory b
@schrodingers_cat:
RED FLAG!!
RED FLAG!!
RED FLAG!!
Suzanne
@Jay: Also….. young people shifted more Republican, but they aren’t voting more Republican than Democrat. They’re still the most Dem-voting age group! It’s the 45-and-up set who voted majority Republican!
WaterGirl
@Doug R: Until now, I have always admired and respected David Hogg.
But this? Sure looks like wolf in sheep’s clothing to get yourself elected as vice chair of the DNC and then using your PAC to primary a bunch of Democrats, apparently without concern about whether someone else who could beat the incumbent in the primary has a good chance of keeping the seat Democratic in the general election.
sab
@Trollhattan: Other people are also out there across the country being more helpful. Jasmine Crockett is doing a joint fumdraiser with Emilia Sykes here in Ohio, for example.
ETA I would love to go, but I’m not sure I can afford it. On the other hand, EMILY (early money is like yeast) so I might try to swing it.
JWR
The latest out of FL via NBC:
glory b
@WaterGirl: I know, right? But that’s on Ken Martin,
Hogg says he respects Ken, but that they have very different ideas about how to move forward.
I never saw a vice chair have the ability to break away from the chair’s plan of action that way.
Elizabelle
Grifting off the sheep, and Democrats are doing it RONG!
How tiresome. Nina Turner can go DIAF.
WaterGirl
@Salty Sam: I answered that at #83.
Jay
@Suzanne:
Yeah, we had a Action Alert, last night or the other, about Charlie Kirk’s TPUSA and countering it.
Last two jobs, coworkers were 80% “Yutes”, (under 30, mostly male, like 95%) and the garbage that was their Social Media feeds and their lack of google-fu or critical thinking, just astounded me.
But then, who knew that Customers paid the FFS Tariff’s, not the Foreign Country,…………………………….
Oy.
Elizabelle
The beautiful cheetah at top has better things to occupy her/his gaze.
glory b
@Suzanne: Actually, the hated and berated Boomers, the ones that David Hogg fervently prays for their collective deaths, voted majority Dems.
More proof that if he wants to actually win, he shouldn’t pray for the deaths of a group that voted majority Dem.
JML
@WaterGirl: sad reality that there are grifters on the left too. And Bernie has done a poor job of shutting down those who purport to speak for him…YMMV on whether it’s because he’s simply not paying attention or because he likes having those messages out there with plausible deniability.
AOC is a better messenger because she’s also able to move things forward. She’s easily the sharpest operator from the Squad: stays on message, avoids getting into Dem v Dem battles, does her constituent service, doesn’t make perfect the enemy of good, and doesn’t step on rakes.
Bernie runs the same shtick every time, and while a lot of the time he’s not wrong, he’s also…limited. He simply can’t go beyond his “it’s all about the money” effort and it’s a huge part of why black voters have never trusted him. he’s also part of the decrepit senate legion of old white dudes who can’t let go and think they’re indispensable.
I don’t mind what Bernie & AOC are doing right now, but this kind of griftiness from the PACs is bad. Even if you’re out on Chuck (and I’d be ok with different leadership; I tend to agree that he’s not a war-time consigliere) a money grab from a grifter PAC is the worst possible way to go about it.
WaterGirl
@prostratedragon: Interesting. Good thing we have 48 democratic senators. Not sure how many states that covers.
Jay
@WaterGirl:
He can’t “Cease and Desist” in any meaningful way,
He can’t sue,
If he denounces them, who will know the difference between this PAC and official Bernie PAC’s.
We are talking here about an electorate that had zero clue how tariff’s work or what is a tariff.
Most could not write a legible paragraph explaining the difference between a Campaign and PAC, let alone all the different kinds of PAC’s.
sab
@hoytwillrise: Crockett is too travelling the country amd helping fundraise.
glory b
@JML: I’m glad AOC stopped trying to primary sitting members too.
But those memories are long, and they will hinder her in any pursuit of a leadership position.
it’s not reasonable to expect support from people you tried unsuccessfully to get rid of.
Another Scott
@WaterGirl: Maybe this story still holds – APNews.com (from July 2021):
(Empahsis added.)
He’s no longer the head of the Budget Committee, but OR probably can’t be too tightly tied to him, or him to them, without violating campaign finance and tax laws. I don’t think that part has changed.
I figure you got that e-mail because Bernie and AOC have been in the news and OR wants to take advantage of that interest for their own ends. They’re trying to stay relevant. And their ends may or may not align with Bernie’s on any particular topic.
But, yeah, he should disavow them using his picture on this if he disagrees with the message. But I doubt that he will.
FWIW.
Thanks.
Best wishes,
Scott.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
How demographic groups voted is still all over the map but it’s clear there was a difference between 45+ and 65+. And despite efforts to constantly slag on “older voters voting for Hair Furor” as if it were fact, it probably wasn’t.
Some links that do a good job of capturing things as we knew it at the end of last year:
https://apnews.com/article/election-harris-trump-women-latinos-black-voters-0f3fbda3362f3dcfe41aa6b858f22d12
This is one of the more nuanced breakdowns:
https://navigatorresearch.org/2024-post-election-survey-racial-analysis-of-2024-election-results/
Gaardian
I don’t understand when else this is supposed to be happening?
It’s Democratic primary season and for those seeking to push the party left the lefties need to raise money to counteract the Wall Street $$$ that Schumer brings in and is a big part of why he is majority leader. if you want to replace him, (which, by the by, is a solid idea as he’s simply embarrassed himself in the face of Trump part deux). If you think Schumer is awesome, then yeah i could see being annoyed by this, but I disagree, and this hits him in the place where he’s most vulnerable, in a way that is frankly fair. This isn’t a made up scandal, Schumer actually did this and left a lot of Democrats out to dry.
A lot of what i’m seeing here is that Bernie is annoying and he’s not a “real” Democrat, but Id argue he’s been a more effective messenger for Democratic priorities than Chuck has despite the (I) next to his name.
Schumer has been, shall i say “mid” since Nancy left leadership on the other side of the Congress. The Senate Dems performance in confirming Trump nominees was not stellar or unified, that division really exposed itself during the shutdown battle. It doesn’t inspire confidence in his ability to lead in the way that Pelosi or Jeffries has and deliver votes. If he doesn’t have that, then why aren’t we, in this critical moment, looking for a wartime consigere who does?
Since Senate dems seem to be stuck in paralysis mode, fundraising emails are part of the process for how that gets done, or at the very least put some fear of god into the people who need it.
Xavier
@JML: “Bernie runs the same schtick every time.” Yes he does, and he’s right every time. It’s called speaking truth to power.
I really hate this thread. In 2016 I stopped reading anything from Anne Laurie because of her opinion on Sen. Sanders.
XeckyGilchrist
I entirely agree with you.
To what extent is Sanders still affiliated with Our Revolution? If he’s not, I’d like to see him respond to WTFever they’re up to here.
Trollhattan
Aaaand, there it is.
Henceforth: only order “well done.”
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@Gaardian:
@Xavier:
One thing that has been good about this thread is seeing comments like yours that push back. We don’t have enough of that, on a variety of issues, from a broader swath of the assumed readership.
Baud
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@Trollhattan:
Which means a return to the 19th century and before as state and local entities don’t have the wherewithal to pick up the slack.
Grover Fucking Norquist must be in hog heaven right now. It might not be the way he envisioned drowning the gubmint in a bathtub but the end result is what counts.
Side note: ordering everything “well done” is apparently how Hair Furor eats his steaks and burgers so why doesn’t this surprise me?
NotMax
FYI (WaPo link).
Elizabelle
@NotMax: They are all purpose cretins and destroyers, aren’t they?
Fuck ’em.
suzanne
@glory b: Per the AARP.
Geminid
@WaterGirl: I look at Gavin Newsom and think of Abraham Lincoln’s remark, “Once the worm of Presidential ambition begins to gnaw, it gnaws deep.”
Newsom has gotten the worm for sure. It may have happened last July, when some pundits floated that cockamamie “mini-primary” idea and some people said they thought Newsom should be the choice. Or maybe he’s had it for a while now.
I look at Newsom’s recent statements in that light. He’s ambitious, and he’s bought into the notion that a successful Democratic presidential candidate will have to walk a “Centrist” path, and distance themself from certain liberal positions.
But I don’t think Newsom neccesarily believes what he’s saying, and is more likely saying what he believes will further his ambitions. And that speaks to a question I’ve had about Gavin Newsom for a while: does he speak from conviction or ambition? Another way of looking at it is: does Newsom have enough intellectual and moral ballast to be a strong national candidate?
A lot of what Newsom is saying now might not even matter to most Democrats in early 2028, when the primary process will kick into high gear. But his statements could show a more basic weakness that will come back to bite him when he competes with more solid Democratic politicians. And I think we’ll have a strong field.
There is something else about Newsom that has me wondering. I watch Newsom from 2500 miles away, but plenty of Californians comment on this blog, and I do not sense that much enthusiam among them for Newsom as a presidential candidate. Maybe I’ve missed it.
Elizabelle
@Trollhattan: I foresee backyard gardens. We are in wartime again.
alquitti
I have no problem with Schumer getting nervous if that makes him remember who the enemy is. Let’s not forget a big reason we’re in this mess is the Dem leadership closing ranks around Biden when they had to know he was past it. Now we’re supposed to trust them? Biden did very well for the first couple of years but his legacy will leave a lot to be desired.
suzanne
@Xavier:
I agree with you, and I say that as someone decidedly meh on Sanders.
Fine, if we don’t keep Bernie/AOC fans in the big tent….. we never win a national election again. Fantastic strategy.
Interesting Name Goes Here
@Xavier: Only when it benefits him the most. But if that truth just happens to be, for example, “No matter what you think of the current state of things, let’s not actively work to make it worse in every way, shape, and form by sitting out or re-electing Donald Trump”, then getting Bernie to step up requires near-literal acts of God…like, oh, I don’t know, a highly infectious virus and subsequent worldwide pandemic and lockdown.
Can’t be a resistance leader if there’s nothing worth resisting, right?
RevRick
@RepubAnon: Our Revolution claims to be a continuation of Bernie’s 2016 campaign, but he is nowhere listed as an official on its website. In contrast to what this website asserts, Sanders himself announced, “I intend to work with President Trump on issues where he will, in fact, work for the middle class and working families of this country. I will vigorously oppose him if he appeals to racism or sexism…”
Without outright asserting that their call for Schumer’s ouster comes from Bernie himself, they are certainly leaving that impression. I suspect this impression is dishonest and false. Sanders has criticized Sen. Schumer and other Democratic leaders, but when asked about AOC running against Schumer in an interview on ABC’s This Week, he abruptly ended the interview.
Bernie is many things, but I doubt he’s stupid. After all, he sits on the Senate Budget Committee.
Anyway
Meh. Not worth paying this much attention to anything that Nina Turner is associated with. YMMV.
Sure Lurkalot
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): I apologize, should have cited it was from WaPo (I don’t subscribe, here’s a link to screenshot from a BlueSky post:
https://bsky.app/profile/murshedz.bsky.social/post/3lmz5miycds2n
Citizen Dave
@Ruckus:
Kinda late to reply after commuting home, napping and now eating, but I dig your style too. Always enjoy and agree with your wisdom.
Lyrebird
I appreciate this point. It’s hard when there are lots of crap choices to choose between… (ETA: I really appreciated the other Dem senator who spoke up about the funding bill, basically yo we disagreed on something where good folks are going to disagree.)
one thing I really don’t understand is when people assume “what Sen. Schumer says on TV” or “what Rep. Jeffries tweets in his first tweet out of several” is ALL they are doing, when sfaik much of what they do is behind the scenes keeping their side together. Especially when in the minority, the main power House and Senate Dems have is through *all* pulling in the same direction, from firebrand to yellow dog.
I don’t know whether Sen. Sanders is fully behind Our Revolution, but I have been sending some similar UNSUBSCRIBE notes myself.
Jay
@alquitti:
Biden had a bad week,
he’s no where near “past it”,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpNXKAq-4iA
different-church-lady
@Delicate Butterfly:
You have no idea who Dave Weigel is? YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHO DAVE WEIGEL IS?!? Well let me tell you little Miss Clueless, Dave Weigel is… is… hey, wait a minute, I’ve heard plenty of references to Weigel but I can’t really tell you who he is, come to think of it…
different-church-lady
@alquitti:
That is not the summer of 2024 that I remember.
suzanne
@different-church-lady: LOL. If anyone knows who Dave Weigel is, they are Far Too Online.
(I know who Dave Weigel is.)
different-church-lady
@suzanne: Because WE FUCKIN’ LOVE CHEAP EGGS IS WHY!
Jay
@different-church-lady:
He’s not talking about the summer of 2024, it’s the spring 2024 if you get that there in March.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@different-church-lady:
Heh heh, I remember when he joined the Wa(com)Post back in the day. I don’t think they ever made him host chat sessions, if so, me and DougJ would have been all over him.
What I didn’t realize that he’s basically a libertarian:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Weigel
He’s also just another DC Beltway Media hack.
different-church-lady
@RevRick:
Now look, I ain’t no Sanderite, but I really think that’s one of those (rhetorical tricks that probably has a name but I can’t think of it) where he knows perfectly well there simply won’t be any of those first things.
WaterGirl
@Xavier: I tried to make it clear that I don’t hate on Bernie, but I really hate that it looked like Bernie, not even a D, was trying to oust the Democratic Leader in the senate.
That pissed me off.
I didn’t read those Bernie threads from Anne Laurie, either.
HopefullyNotcassandra
@WaterGirl: No doubt! This Court plays delay, delay, delay when it is in the GOP’s favor and rush, rush, rush if the ruling will hurt a democrat.
prostratedragon
@tam1MI:
Words of comfort, not.
different-church-lady
Look, I’ve got a really important question here: how many zombies have you consumed in one night?
Scout211
I’ve consistently stated on this blog that he is fine as a Governor (but it doesn’t really take much when the Dems have a super majority in the legislature). But I would never vote for him in a Dem presidential primary for many of the reasons you stated in your comment. And this was way before he started his chameleon thing lately.
WaterGirl
@comrade scotts agenda of rage: I asked the question in all sincerity, and I have appreciated nearly all of the answers.
different-church-lady
@WaterGirl:
WAIT ‘TIL I THINK OF SOMETHING…
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@WaterGirl:
“…nearly all…”
:)
different-church-lady
He’s got a mustache, if I recall correctly….
bcwbcw
There is a group within the Democratic Party “Leaders We Deserve” which is real and is aligned with David Hogg which is trying to primary the neoliberal leadership of the Democratic Party such as Schumer that also just started. Perhaps the group you heard of is trying to scam off of the publicity about that group. Hogg’s effort has been condemned by both Andrew Cuomo and James Carville, so, I’m fully onboard.
Schumer has been doing a terrible job at fighting Trump, and has said “My Job is to Keep the Left Pro-Israel.” His loyalties sound more to Israel than America. We would now be even in the House if two elderly Democrats hadn’t died, Gerry Connelly is 78 and has cancer and in interviews sounds as old and hesitant as Biden. We don’t need more Diane Feinsteins. The Democratic party needs to younger members and younger members in leadership.
different-church-lady
@bcwbcw:
I guess that’s in the neighborhood of “making the right enemies…”
suzanne
@different-church-lady: It’s just such a weird analysis. The youngest voter cohort is the one that voted the most Democratic! They are the smallest age cohort and the least white. They shifted rightward, but every age cohort shifted rightward. The median age of the electorate was 44, the oldest in history. There’s been plenty of complaints about age prejudice around here, and then there’s this narrative that the kids didn’t vote the way we wanted them to. WTF are half of the Social Security age group voting for FFOTUS?!?! Blows my mind.
WaterGirl
@Elizabelle: And more buying from local farmers and local folks who raise and sell meat of various kinds. Same with eggs.
Sort of on the same subject, I had to go to the Vet School today to pick up Henry’s $105 bag of dog food that weighs 1.5 x Henry’s body weight.
The sign on the entry door said not to bring sick poultry into the building (and not to bring something else related to that, don’t recall what it was).
bcwbcw
@Geminid:
Newsom just described the fight to free Garcia from the El Salvador slave camp as “a distraction” (compared to tariffs.) We don’t need more Democrats who see the Bill of Rights as a distraction.
Jay
@different-church-lady:
DON’T EAT ZOMBIE’S, THAT’S HOW IT SPREADS.
Your Canadian CDC Public Health Notice.
WaterGirl
@suzanne: Surely you don’t think my being annoyed at that email from Bernie means he should be kicked out of the tent? Did you miss the post up top where I specifically complained about that and also mentioned the need to have the big tent.
Jay
@WaterGirl:
Zombie Deer?
Ruckus
@Citizen Dave:
Thank You.
I try to be reasonable. As I was the head of a department on a USN ship and had to deal with all kinds of personalties, both below and above me, I learned that some humans think they are not just the top of the heap but quite possibly miles higher than that. They aren’t and proved it on a regular basis. Sort of like shitforbrains does minute by minute.
WaterGirl
@comrade scotts agenda of rage: Not a fan of the comments from the person who is here and is pretty clearly not on Team D.
Jay
@bcwbcw:
He’s right, and he’s wrong. The DJTdiot’s MO is to go fast, break shit, all over the place all at the same time.
The idea is that we, can’t multitask.
NotMax
@Jay
Bambi’s distant cousin, Zombi.
:)
Smiling Happy Guy (aka boatboy_srq)
Kicking Schumer to the curb is past due.
Kicking him to the curb at the behest of someone older who doesn’t even play for the same team is a bit beyond propriety.
I like Sanders. But we need AOC and folks like her and close to her age – and in the same party as Schumer, unless replacing the entire Democratic party as well as the entire GOP is the plan – more than we need him.
Baud
comrade scotts agenda of rage
CNN’s exit polls, again, just another data point that isn’t any more authoritative than any others:
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2024/politics/2020-2016-exit-polls-2024-dg/
Shows that the 65+ crowd voted for the Orange Fart Cloud by +1 whereas the 45-64 crowd by +10. Again, a distinct difference.
More telling is the swing from 2020 and to a lesser extent 2016.
I know I found some consistent reporting last year that showed the 65+ crowd actually did vote for Harris by a couple of percentage points but damned if I can put my hands on those now.
Geminid
@comrade scotts agenda of rage: Dave Wiegel lacks the convictions to be a Libertarian. I basically see him as a shit-stirrer. That’s what Wiegel was doing when he floated that story about Hakeem Jeffries’ so-called “children’s book tour.” He was just tossing out a crabapple of discord in hopes he could get Democrats fighting over it.
David Collier-Brown
From up here in Canasta (:-)) Bernie and AOC look like folks who weren’t subverted by the cost of primaries and are happily shit-disturbing…
In both the US and Canada, you have to be well-to-do to afford a nomination battle (Canada) or a primary (US). Or you have to be _owned_ by someone with a lot of spare money. That applies to both of your parties, and all of ours, including our so-called far left.
Jay
@WaterGirl:
First off, the email wasn’t from “Walter”*,
Second, you never said that “Walter” should be kicked out of the tent,
It’s more that you are asking Walter to do things that are ineffective, unproductive and counterproductive.
You need stronger campaign laws around PAC’s, but then you know, Citizens United.
WaterGirl
@Jay: It was something else related to poultry, just can’t recall how exactly.
The Audacity of Krope
I ain’t fond of butterfly, but Democrats aren’t even batting for themselves right now.
WaterGirl
@Jay:
Not sure what that sentence means.
I’m just asking that “Walter” not allow a group to use his brand while attacking and seemingly trying to remove Democratic leadership.
NotMax
@WaterGirl
Ostriches? Emus?
;)
HopefullyNotcassandra
@WaterGirl: I think they should grind the senate to a halt. They are not. So, I am patiently (ha!) trusting our sane senators to know they are fighting fascism and how best to fight it. I don’t tell the dentist how to drill or the doctor how to operate. I know our best chance to get out of this freak horror show quickly is if our senators get the gop sane senators to come out of the woodwork.
Then Lisa Murkowski (sane-ish gop senator) says we need to add work requirements to a law that gets people healthcare with better outcomes at less expense. Why? This is not a law about work. It is a law about health care. I am left wondering is there any sanity left on that side or are there just stability seekers?
Why cannot the gop come up with a bill about work if that is what they want to encourage? Why do they always try to make it more difficult, uglier and meaner for people seeking help under laws ostensibly designed to give people help? Why must the GOP always make everything government does more expensive because they need to make American citizens go through 50 hoops while suffering countless indignities just so they can feed their kids or buy insulin? This particular gop obsession is nuts.
There certainly is no Republican senator standing in front of this president’s rampage and yelling “stop!”
Jay
@David Collier-Brown:
Bernie and AOC are making Good Trouble.
The key issues here are that Democratic Party grudges are like Irish Grudges, and that anybody semi-captive get’s spammed to the n’th degree with blegs.
A key personal reason why I am voting ABC this year, is I answered a you tube poll on Pierre, suggesting he FOAD. Afterwords, turns out it was the Epoch Times running the poll, (Falun Gong wackos), and they gave/sold my contact info to Pierre.
Why is a Canadian Politician in bed with a Chinese cult?
Second off, every time I block them, they spam me from a different account.
So I have started spamming them back, penis enlargements, cheap viagra, pornhub clips.
HopefullyNotcassandra
@WaterGirl: bad advisers from Silicon Valley?
different-church-lady
@Smiling Happy Guy (aka boatboy_srq):
I feel this is the correct formulation.
different-church-lady
@comrade scotts agenda of rage:
BECAUSE THE FUCKIN’ EGGS WERE WIPING OUT MY 401K!!1!
topclimber
Just to correct a valued agitator’s math, AOC’s share of the vote went from 72% in 2020 to 69% in 2024. Perhaps this person should rely more on internet research and less on IIRC.
HopefullyNotcassandra
@comrade scotts agenda of rage: yes. I agree. What I have heard of his podcast has been horrible. I wish people would stop platforming hateful liars everywhere.
WaterGirl
@HopefullyNotcassandra: Republican elected officials are either MAGA or fucking cowards.
That’s my rather uncharitable view.
WaterGirl
@HopefullyNotcassandra: Or bad judgment in taking the advice of bad advisors.
WaterGirl
@Smiling Happy Guy (aka boatboy_srq):
I missed this part of your original comment until someone else just quoted it. yes, this.
Politics is not a pickup game where you show up when you feel like it. Politics is a team sport.
different-church-lady
The important thing here is to continue to focus on what we’re doing wrong instead of what they’re doing wrong.
Geminid
@bcwbcw:
There are 220 Republicans in the House, and 213 Democrats. If Reps. Raul Grijalva and Sylverter Turner hadn’t died we would not be even, we’d down by five instead seven.
HopefullyNotcassandra
@schrodingers_cat: by energizing people and giving them hope.
Rosa Luxembourg was murdered horribly by Brown shirts. She was a communist. German liberals reached out to her to form a coalition to stop the sadistic Austrian before he was a mass murderer. Would such a coalition have been successful? By the numbers, yes, it would have at least in the short term. She rejected the (very generous) offer because liberals could not be trusted (in her book) and an alliance with them would delay the dawn of communism (also in her book). Her ideological purity was stupid and helped get a whole lot of people, including herself, horribly murdered.
Don’t reject Senator Sanders’ help because Nina Turner, his former fired employee, is looking to use his name to divide democrats. That is all I was trying to impart.
Glory b
@suzanne: https://www.kcrg.com/2024/06/20/poll-voters-50-64-lean-republican-voters-65-lean-democrat/
HopefullyNotcassandra
@Steve in the ATL: Lol
Geminid
@HopefullyNotcassandra: I sometimes ask myself, “Who the fuck reads Matt Yglesias?!!”
Maybe the answer is, Gavin Newsom’s friends.
Shakti
The wonderful thing about losing my legacy email address is that I get none of these emails anymore. Volunteer for one “building houses” organization once and your email gets passed to every remotely similar organization for years.
I am annoyed because a push poll + a beg for campaign funds is the same old same old, no matter who does it.
We’re well past that. The less auto withdrawals anyone has from their accounts the better.
Play the Sarah Mclaughlin homeless pet/person who died of a heroin overdose song over a montage of people begging for a functioning government…or something . And then for the price of $1 day/ you get a roll of stamps and a thank you letter for the part of the government you’re microfunding. I don’t know what parody or satire is anymore.
KSinMA
@HopefullyNotcassandra: Well said.
HopefullyNotcassandra
@laura: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a member of the Democratic Party.
Elizabelle
@WaterGirl: Yes. Buy local.
And keep Henry in his expensive kibble!
Elizabelle
@HopefullyNotcassandra: Good comment. Why indeed?
different-church-lady
@HopefullyNotcassandra:
A handful of brows are furrowed in concern. Is this not enough for you?
schrodingers_cat
@topclimber: This what I was refering to
2020 Biden got 77% of the vote in AOC’s district and Orange Man got 22%
2024 Harris got 65% of the vote in AOC district and Orange Man got 33%
Link
HopefullyNotcassandra
@JWR:Will we ever take substantive action to stop these mass murders?
suzanne
@WaterGirl:
I did not miss it and I agree with you. But the nonstop Bernie whining goes on from the usual corners, and I’m sure there’s still more bottles of beer on the wall.
Jay
@WaterGirl:
501(C)(4) rules, as few as they are, allow me to take Big Bird’s image and publicly available clips of him, to use to fundraise, to promote the deliberate spread of bird flu as a means of getting rid of these Big Yellow birds, infesting our urban areas.
Sesame Street can do squat about it.
Cease and Desist letters rely on good faith or grudging compliance.
Lawsuits, you can’t sue a 501(C)(4).
Publicly disavowing a 501, by Big Bird, Sesame Street, PBS, well, which PAC? The ones that supports Sesame Street, or the one that want’s to spread Bird Flu?
Xavier
@Jay: [Newsom] is wrong. Tariffs are if anything a distraction from democracy and rule of law.
HopefullyNotcassandra
@Baud: the gop is a death cult.
This regime shut down the hepatitis detectives at the CDC. We have on-going unknown origin hepatitis outbreaks right now.
Glory b
@Suzanne: But still Harris beats her by 11 points.
They seem to be all over the place, the younger ones strongly favoring Republicans, the older of the cohort supporting Dems, but not as strongly.
They also seemed uncomfortably anti trans and homeless people, as a group not terribly progressive.
I guess the question would be whether AOC could win them by her personality, since they don’t align with her as much politically.
She’s been in office for quite a while, people keep talking her up as being so influential and exciting, but her district, New York City in general and young people have all inexorably moved to Republicans during her tenure.
suzanne
@Glory b: Again, though, you could make the same criticism of any Congressperson or Senator or Governor; pretty much every district and state shifted red to one degree or another. So, by that logic, none of our electeds are exciting, none of them have a future. I don’t believe that.
different-church-lady
@Xavier: NOTHING IS A GODDAMNED DISTRACTION FROM ANYTHING IT’S ALL EVIL!
Chetan Murthy
I’m -done- with these importuning fundraising texts and shite. Just -done-. I never signed up, and the Dems need to provide a way to block ’em all. Until they do, I mark ’em as spam (I have Google Fi, so hopefully that affects the spam algorithms).
Yeah, it’ll mean eventually some of ’em get chucked into spam preemptively. Too fucking bad, these shitheads need to learn how to make sure people aren’t fucking inundated.
Shorter: it’s very reasonable to be annoyed.
HopefullyNotcassandra
@prostratedragon: Yes or nominees in their circuit.
They Call Me Noni
@Geminid: I cannot take him seriously as he was once married to Kimberly Guilfoyle.
planetjanet
@glory b:
Hogg’s Pac existed before he ran for DNC member, much less VP. I have been on his email list when it started in 2023. He co-founded it with Maxwell Frost’s campaign manager. They helped get Nadarius Clark elected in our state legislature.
HopefullyNotcassandra
@Geminid: that could be it.
HopefullyNotcassandra
@different-church-lady: and terribly destructive. Like taking all of the nation’s seed and burning it just to watch the smoke stupid destructive.
The Audacity of Krope
That’s the precise opposite of the reason for the mess we’re in. We’re in this mess because of superficial shitheads who care more how a politician presents in TV than the work they’re doing.
Medicine Man
I don’t think it is unreasonable to be annoyed, but think people can advocate for leadership changes to a party without being a part of it (they just have much less reason to be taken seriously). There are plenty of good reasons to be critical of Dem party leadership, regardless of participation in the club.
Same principle as me strongly advocating Mitch McConnell being shot into the Sun, despite me being neither a Republican nor an American. I can advocate, but I don’t get to decide whether he stays Earthbound, and anyone involved can certainly tell me to mind my own Canadian business.
That said, I really understand the annoyance. I’m not a Dem (or, I repeat, an American) but I feel some annoyance when I see Leftists who I know didn’t vote pontificating over Dem leadership. Conversely, I guess I’ll get Bernie some credit for… you know… actually putting in effort and having a sense of perspective.
Ruckus
@HopefullyNotcassandra:
Might be trying to remove people that don’t work from healthcare, because of course they aren’t paying into it more than they might use it. In shitforbrains world he is the ONLY ONE
gettingdeserving to be paid for his ride. He’s far more than earned my name for him.Medicine Man
I probably should add that I hope The Resistance ™ doesn’t spend too much of its time arguing over who gets to have an opinion.
pajaro
@hoytwillrise:
I can’t believe, on the days after Chris Van Hollen went down to El Salvador, that you can write this bilge. If you don’t think that Democrats are speaking up, it’s because you are going out of your way not to listen. If you could bestir yourself to sign up for something like Simon Rosenberg, or have the DNC email you each day, you could find out things they were doing in less than a minute.
different-church-lady
@HopefullyNotcassandra:
“Some men just want to watch the world burn.”
The Audacity of Krope
A viewpoint that is undeniably gaining in appeal.
different-church-lady
Oh, look.
LAC
I will take my rep Chris Van Hollen and his audience of one wrongfully imprisoned citizen over a preening spittlebag and his “both sides” crowd any day.
schrodingers_cat
@LAC: He is an American hero.
BobbyK
Wish I got to this earlier, Bernie is right and schumer needs to go. Fucking christ I don’t see ANY of the so called democrats doing anything like what Bernie is doing, not a one. I guess schumer is happy with his sinecure and really can’t be bothered to do much of anything.
The Audacity of Krope
@schrodingers_cat: Indeed. And standing for the right thing over the politically easy thing is the exact thing I want to see from Democrats that many have seemed to rapidly be forgetting in the last year or so.
ETA: Not that they ever had a full grip on the concept
Eolirin
@Delicate Butterfly: He was right to do so, it’s made the story Trump tariffs and illegal deportations of non criminals and not Democrats shut down government services.
Trump’s approval dive is in large part because the CR let the narrative settle on his actions instead of the spectacle of a protracted shutdown.
TurnItOffAndOnAgain
As pointed out higher in the thread, Crockett’s doing that. That’s what Jeffries was doing, and it got called a children’s booktour.
@HopefullyNotcassandra:
Are we Rosa or is he?
Lynn Dee
WG, Not wrong!
I did something similar earlier this evening in response to an email from David Hogg’s new PAC that is reportedly devoting $20 million to primarying insufficiently energetic Democrats. And I get it! But shouldn’t we be focused on electing Dems to enough Republican seats to take over the House and/or Senate rather than fine-tuning our minorities?
So that’s what I said when I was asked why I was unsubscribing.
sab
@Eolirin: I very much agree. Spouse and I have shrieking battles about this.
Shumer phucked up the presentation of this, but in the end I think he made the better choice. There were no right choices.
sab
Allegedly Antifa burned down Portland Oregon ( per Liz Cheney), which last I heard is still standing, unburned. And antifah isn’t even much of a thing.
I have a stepson who thought of himself as punk and beat up on racist punks in bars in his youth. He thought he was antifah. He was not politically organized at all. Just an angry kid.
Liz Cheney is the best example of leopard eating faces that I can think of.
KimK
No! You are not wrong! I appreciate Bernie ginning people up against this clown horror show administration but I have long thought that Bernie is out for Bernie.
motorab
Yes, you are about as wrong as one can be. That should have been an easy answer, but apparently some people still don’t get how utterly useless the Democratic Party leadership has been.