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Open Thread: Nancy Mace Wishes Voters a Happy Easter

by TaMara|  April 20, 202512:57 pm| 96 Comments

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Nothing says Happy Easter like telling your constituents to fuck off. And then proudly posting it.

She is unhinged and a true representation of her party.  And she’s so secure in her beliefs she’s…shut off comments.

 

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    1. 1.

      Snarki, child of Loki

      April 20, 2025 at 12:59 pm

      “Try me”

       

      Okay! Try her for fraud, treason, skullduggery, all that stuff.

      Witchcraft, also, too.

      Reply
    2. 2.

      Leto

      April 20, 2025 at 1:02 pm

      The Citadel is definitely sending its finest/best.

      Reply
    3. 3.

      Nukular Biskits

      April 20, 2025 at 1:04 pm

      I am no fan of any of my congressional (or state, for that matter) representation.

      But I suppose I should be thankful I don’t have a nutcase like Nancy Mace “representing” me.

      Reply
    4. 4.

      Chief Oshkosh

      April 20, 2025 at 1:04 pm

      I can’t keep up with The Freak of the Week. Is Mace the one who ran and was elected as a Democrat at one point, and then unzipped the fake skin and emerged to show her true self once in office? Or is that a different freak?

      Reply
    5. 5.

      Ryan

      April 20, 2025 at 1:10 pm

      @Chief Oshkosh: I think that was a state representative in North Carolina.

      Reply
    6. 6.

      Caphilldcne

      April 20, 2025 at 1:15 pm

      No she’s always been a nut. Wikipedia says she started her political career volunteering for Ron Paul. She’s the terrible person who welcomed the first transgender woman to Congress by introducing bills to ban her from using the women’s restroom. Note how her total homophobia shows up in this tweet from referring to this man as wearing daisy dukes to jumping to gay marriage when that wasn’t the question. She’s also clearly attempting to get her followers to dox this guy and put him in danger.

      Reply
    7. 7.

      sukabi

      April 20, 2025 at 1:17 pm

      wow… someone needs a 72 hrs hold…

      Reply
    8. 8.

      Nukular Biskits

      April 20, 2025 at 1:19 pm

      @Caphilldcne:

      The “daisy dukes” got me laughing and asking myself “WTF IS SHE TALKING ABOUT?”

      Full Disclosure:  When I was in high school, I had THAT poster of actress Catherine Bach so I know exactly what “daisy duke” shorts are.

      Reply
    9. 9.

      Caphilldcne

      April 20, 2025 at 1:21 pm

      Also that I hold the line try me language is such military cosplay holier than thou  self-righteousness. I hated those pricks when I was in the Air Force.

      Reply
    10. 10.

      narya

      April 20, 2025 at 1:26 pm

      Maybe the worst part is I’d bet that her MAGA-loving voters would think this is just awesome. So tired of this bullshit . . .

      Reply
    11. 11.

      bbleh

      April 20, 2025 at 1:27 pm

      Well, clearly the Congresswoman is the REAL victim here!  Imagine asking her about a TOWN HALL!  And dressing like THAT!!  Why that awful man should be ARRESTED!   And probably DEPORTED!!

      Reply
    12. 12.

      sab

      April 20, 2025 at 1:29 pm

      @Chief Oshkosh: Isn’t she the one talking about her (unmarried) sex life at a prayer breakfast?

      Reply
    13. 13.

      sab

      April 20, 2025 at 1:30 pm

      Reply
    14. 14.

      Caphilldcne

      April 20, 2025 at 1:32 pm

      @Nukular Biskits: same. Those aren’t daisy dukes and frankly shorter shorts need to come back in style anyway. Board shorts are ridiculous.

      Reply
    15. 15.

      Steve LaBonne

      April 20, 2025 at 1:34 pm

      I miss the days when Republican electeds were just exploiting the crazy rubes rather than being them.

      Reply
    16. 16.

      apocalipstick

      April 20, 2025 at 1:35 pm

      She seems nice.

      Reply
    17. 17.

      Melancholy Jaques

      April 20, 2025 at 1:37 pm

      Mace’s schtick is treating people like shit. It makes her more popular with Republican voters because Republican voters are assholes. She has nothing else to offer.

      Reply
    18. 18.

      Melancholy Jaques

      April 20, 2025 at 1:39 pm

      @Caphilldcne:

      Hard disagree. The closer to the knees the better.

      Reply
    19. 19.

      geg6

      April 20, 2025 at 1:39 pm

      Christ, what an asshole.

      Reply
    20. 20.

      BellaPea

      April 20, 2025 at 1:41 pm

      Nancy Mace…yuck.

      Checking to see if anyone saw the video from the Crumbs and Whiskers cat cafe in LA. It is a place designed to improve adoptions for cats, and to keep them from being euthanized. In the video, this older cat is neglected by everyone in the cafe who are only playing with the kittens. It’s on TikTok and Instagram. I’m not on any social media, so I can’t give a link. The cat’s name is Wyatt. The video is just heartbreaking, I was in tears after watching it. If anyone can post a link, take a look and see if you aren’t moved. I hope someone adopts that poor boy soon.

      Reply
    21. 21.

      WaterGirl

      April 20, 2025 at 1:45 pm

      @Nukular Biskits: I have never heard the term daisy dukes before, but I assume that some character named Daisy on Dukes of Hazard (which I have never seen) wore really really short shorts, which were nicknamed Daisy Dukes.

      Do I have that right?

      The “really really short shorts” I am picturing are several inches shorter than that guy.  So Daisy Dukes was surely a slur against the (apparently) gay guy.

      Wow, she’s a piece of work.

      Reply
    22. 22.

      WaterGirl

      April 20, 2025 at 1:47 pm

      Someone needs to put up a “Days since Nancy Mace has held a Town Hall” website.  With a running counter of hours and days.

      With a 10-second clip of her name-calling at the end.

      Reply
    23. 23.

      Enhanced Voting Techniques

      April 20, 2025 at 1:48 pm

      Nacy Mace was born in 1977

      Dukes of Hazard came out in 1979.

      Poser Boomer.

      Reply
    24. 24.

      Nukular Biskits

      April 20, 2025 at 1:49 pm

      @WaterGirl:

      The Long History of Wearing Shorts: The 200-year Evolution of Knickerbockers, Daisy Dukes and WWD’s ‘HotPants’

      Reply
    25. 25.

      AM in NC

      April 20, 2025 at 1:49 pm

      @Chief Oshkosh:  That may be Tricia Cotham here in NC.  She flipped the NC House to GOP super-majority after running as a strong pro-choice Dem.

      Hope people spit in her food every time she eats/orders out for the rest of her life.

      Reply
    26. 26.

      Another Scott

      April 20, 2025 at 1:50 pm

      Washingtonian – Inside Nancy Mace’s apparently bottomless quest for attention (from February 2024):

      Last July, while speaking at a prayer breakfast in South Carolina, Congresswoman Nancy Mace went off-script. To a roomful of conservative Christians, the two-term Republican announced that when she woke up that morning, her then-fiancé made a bid for sex. “And I was like, ‘No, baby, we don’t got time for that this morning,’ ” she said. “ ‘I’ve got to get to the prayer breakfast, and I’ve got to be on time.’ ” Mace added that her fiancé could wait—“I’ll see him later tonight”—before reminding the host, Senator Tim Scott, of her sacrifice: “I was here early today for you, Tim.”

      These remarks landed poorly. The room grew tense, and then came a flurry of disgusted tweets and negative news stories. But while the off-color sex anecdote was ad-libbed, it was not—strictly speaking—a gaffe. “I think she knew what she was doing,” says one former staffer who was at the event. “Headlines, bad or good, are still headlines. She wanted to generate a headline from the prayer breakfast, and she was able to do so by being shocking.”

      For many current members of Congress, governing is no longer the goal. Rather than legislative operations, some congressional offices have become PR firms for attention-hungry members who see their job not so much as passing laws but as building a personal brand. Sure, self-promotion has always been part of the gig, but since the onset of the Trump era, the celebrity is often the point.

      […]

      As one of 435 representatives, though, an individual member will often struggle to make news. Because Congress is so gridlocked, new members can’t usually get famous by passing bills. Ideological consistency won’t necessarily grab coverage, either; when you vote and opine in unexpected ways, it’s more likely that reporters will call. “A lot of these members think the only way to make headlines is to generate personal narratives, to stand out and be different from everyone else,” explains a former Mace staffer. “The way to do that is to be shocking—the quote-unquote mavericks. That’s the reason they generate news.”

      One notable example is Mace’s vote to oust Kevin McCarthy from the speakership. Of the handful of Republicans who opted to throw him out, Mace was the biggest surprise. Until then, her legislative team had a good working relationship with the speaker—her cybersecurity bill was the last thing to pass under McCarthy—so the defection made headlines. It got her booked on TV. Publicly, Mace claimed that McCarthy had broken promises to her, but “in my opinion, there was no other reason that she did that than to get media attention,” one former communications staffer says. Mace voted against McCarthy, another ex-staffer says, “because she saw all the attention Matt Gaetz was getting and decided to join.”

      In the days following the McCarthy vote, Gaetz was the media darling of the ouster, which apparently frustrated Mace. A couple of stunts ensued. First, she appeared on the Hill with a bright-red “A” on her shirt. This “scarlet letter,” she told reporters, was a response to the backlash she’d faced for shivving McCarthy—but whatever message she meant to send wasn’t clear. In The Scarlet Letter, the “A” marks an adulterer. (“Folks, this is why we shouldn’t ban books,” read one viral tweet.)

      The next day, Mace remained in the limelight, this time for going after Steve Scalise. In opposing his bid for the speakership, she resurfaced an old allegation—whose veracity is murky—that he had once spoken at a white-supremacist conference. This was not the behavior of a team player trying to mend rifts within the party. Fellow Republicans were incensed, but it did get Mace booked on Jake Tapper. “Instead of the crisis that was actually occurring on the Hill, the focus became Nancy,” one former employee says.

      For Mace’s legislative team, this series of headlines was murder. “We lost all credibility legislatively to work with anybody,” one of them recalls. “After she decided to focus solely on political stunts and PR, our agenda was dead.” In his view, that didn’t matter so much to Mace. “There was no afterthought [of] ‘Okay, here’s what we were trying to accomplish, how can we still do that?’ She didn’t really care.”

      […]

      It’s what she does.

      I think Newsom is doing some of this as well. In order for someone to even consider voting for them, they have to be in the news for some sustained period of time. And they often think that they can best get in the news by saying or doing something “controversial”. A “Sister Souljah” moment, as it were… Being in the news means they’re important, no matter the substance.

      Best wishes,
      Scott.

      Reply
    27. 27.

      WaterGirl

      April 20, 2025 at 1:53 pm

      @Nukular Biskits: I am afraid to click that!  :-)

      Reply
    28. 28.

      Enhanced Voting Techniques

      April 20, 2025 at 1:55 pm

      Since this is an open thred. I was messing arroung AI again, since what is spits back out at me is so hilariously surreal.  And it gives me replies like this to my entries

      “That’s a great hook”

      “Ah, now that’s the good stuff”

      “Now that’s a twist worthy of a late-season reveal.”

      and so to what ever nonsense I was inputting.  It also seems to learn how I write so does some impressive mimicry of me at times.   Very Yes Man vibe to it, which I suspect has lot to do with why the CEOs love it so much.

      I can also see why a stoner like Musk is thinking “Wow, AI expands my brain dude!”

      Reply
    29. 29.

      Another Scott

      April 20, 2025 at 1:56 pm

      @BellaPea: Made me look.

      What seems to be the original video is from December 30.

      Dunno if he’s still there.

      Thanks.

      Best wishes,
      Scott.

      Reply
    30. 30.

      lowtechcyclist

      April 20, 2025 at 1:57 pm

      The guy TWICE tries to end the conversation – ‘I asked about town halls, you’ve answered my question’ and SHE is the one who won’t let go and keeps talking at him, rather than just saying, ‘ok, bye.’  And THEN she says ‘get out of my face’ and ‘fuck you.’

      Posting that video was quite a self-own on her part.

      Reply
    31. 31.

      trollhattan

      April 20, 2025 at 1:58 pm

      Everybody knows 2024 was Year of the Town Hall®.

      2025 is Year of…

      She seems nice.

      Reply
    32. 32.

      Steve LaBonne

      April 20, 2025 at 2:00 pm

      @lowtechcyclist: These freaks are incapable of understanding how they look to normal people. Also they don’t care because their voters are freaks too.

      Reply
    33. 33.

      Steve in the ATL

      April 20, 2025 at 2:01 pm

      @WaterGirl: never seen it—really?  I was shocked to find that it was quite popular in France in the late eighties.  I still agree lingering PTSD from hearing Sheriff Rosco dubbed in French.

      Reply
    34. 34.

      BlueGuitarist

      April 20, 2025 at 2:01 pm

      from BlueSky, protest sign

      “So tired of living in an Onion article”
      with Onion logo

      https://bsky.app/profile/unraveledpress.com/post/3ln6nstlq2c2m
      (probably yesterday; dk where)

      Reply
    35. 35.

      Jackie

      April 20, 2025 at 2:01 pm

      @Nukular Biskits: Brings back the Nair hair removal ditty from back in the day… Who Wears Short Shorts… ;-D

      Reply
    36. 36.

      trollhattan

      April 20, 2025 at 2:03 pm

      @lowtechcyclist: IDK, seems like she just jumped line for the next available cabinet post. Donny loves that shit.

      Reply
    37. 37.

      Matt McIrvin

      April 20, 2025 at 2:07 pm

      @Enhanced Voting Techniques:

      Very Yes Man vibe to it, which I suspect has lot to do with why the CEOs love it so much.

      This is why talking to LLMs kind of creeps me out. The programmed obsequiousness and eagerness to agree with whatever bullshit you just asserted.

      Reply
    38. 38.

      Jackie

      April 20, 2025 at 2:07 pm

      @trollhattan: Mace would be perfect for FFOTUS’ US Ambassador.

      Reply
    39. 39.

      Papa Boyle

      April 20, 2025 at 2:10 pm

      The instagram comes across like a video game where your character is a particularly unstable Karen who also just happens to be a congresswoman.

      Reply
    40. 40.

      Origuy

      April 20, 2025 at 2:11 pm

      A different sort of Easter song.

      The Foggy Dew, Sinéad O’Connor & The Chieftains

      Reply
    41. 41.

      Matt McIrvin

      April 20, 2025 at 2:13 pm

      @Nukular Biskits: I’ve found over the years that when people go berserk about grown men wearing shorts, as if it were some kind of civilizational catastrophe, it’s one of the most reliable indicators that that person is not worth paying attention to.

      (Usually with some strange hundred-year-old idea that shorts are an age marker and exclusively for young boys. This hasn’t been true since before I was born.)

      Global warming is fucking clobbering us and you can bet I’m going to wear short pants in the heat. With sunscreen of course. (I know there are arguments that there are better ways to handle it, but this is mine.)

      Reply
    42. 42.

      hells littlest angel

      April 20, 2025 at 2:13 pm

      I wondering if she was wearing that shirt with the scarlet A for asshole.

      Reply
    43. 43.

      WTFGhost

      April 20, 2025 at 2:17 pm

      @Caphilldcne: No, she didn’t try to pass bills forbidding her colleague from using the women’s bathroom – she spread sick and disgusting claims that “as a victim of sexual assault, she was terrified that someone could be in a CONGRESSIONAL BATHROOM with COPS ALL AROUND might  ASSAULT HER because…”.

      Because *why*? What about being in a bathroom with someone steals away your protection from harm? Are there no stalls in congressional bathrooms? Get them built… MORON. Are there no ways to summon the police? You’re so afraid, put up emergency call buttons… IDIOT.

      To Mace, and her colleagues at that most honorable, most duty bound, most patriotic former classmates at the Citadel.

      if you put up laws, insisting that PRIOR RESTRAINT is only good for the different, the hated, the unprotected, then you are a filthy, despicable human being who learned nothing about duty, honor, or patriotism, which shows the Citadel ain’t shit.

      Apologies to all classmates of her who feel the Citadel *IS* shit, but don’t want to stand up for duty, honor, and patriotism. You’re right – that *would* make the Citadel “shit,” if you want to stand up for the Citadel, but nothing about what it means.

      Now, if you want to stand up for duty, honor, and patriotism, maybe you’ll prove the Citadel is better than shit. But you can’t do it by honoring abuses of power (which are inherently dishonorable, and a dereliction of duty), in the US Congress (where duty and honor would be patriotic, you see).

      (I knew I remembered the only two things about Nancy Mace that I needed to: Poison mean harridan, and, Citadel. I never expected a military academy of any sort to truly teach honor or duty. Most of them are more Calley-sympathetic than Hugh Thompson-sympathetic, which, to me, means no honor, no duty, and not even a hint of patriotism. America says all people, even those in Vietnam, are created equal.)

      Reply
    44. 44.

      Geminid

      April 20, 2025 at 2:18 pm

      @Chief Oshkosh: You are thinking o A North Carolina state legislator who switched parties a couple years ago.

      Nancy Mace has been a Republican all along. She made an unsuccessfull run for US Senstor a decade or so ago. Then, after Rep. Mark Sanford lost his SC01 primary to a tea party crank in 2018, and she lost to Democrat Joe Cunningham that November, Mace won the seat back in 2020.

      To win that year’s Republican primary, Mace had to beat the same crank that knocked Sanford out two years before. That and a moderate-conservative line she took against Cunningham earned Mace an undeserved reputation as a “moderate Republican” from national media.

      Mace has since swung hard right; my theory is that this was because she’s after Lindsey Graham’s Senate seat, which will be up in 2026, I hope Mace runs, because she’ll lose in the primary and then she’ll be out of politics. Mace really needs to be out of politics just for her own sake.

      Reply
    45. 45.

      Trivia Man

      April 20, 2025 at 2:18 pm

      I think nancy mace is the original DEI admission to a military college.

      Reply
    46. 46.

      Bex

      April 20, 2025 at 2:19 pm

      @WaterGirl: Open thread, so here is Zelenskyy’s Easter address.  I won’t link Trump’s Easter email, but you can find it…nah, don’t bother.  https://youtu.be/nu9Nqn8HQy0

      Reply
    47. 47.

      lowtechcyclist

      April 20, 2025 at 2:26 pm

      @Jackie:

      You’re right, he needs an ambassador to the U.S.

      Reply
    48. 48.

      cmorenc

      April 20, 2025 at 2:28 pm

      @Chief Oshkosh: You may be thinking of the state leg rep in NC who ran (and won) a couple of times as a D from a Charlotte area district, was from a family of longtime area D activists, and whose seat was the margin by which the Rs were one short of a veto-proof majority in the legislature with D Roy Cooper holding the Governor’s seat.  And whose party switch following the 2022 Dobbs decision gave the Rs the margin to pass heinously restrictive anti-abortion legislation soon thereafter.  Her alleged reason for switching was lack of respect shown her by the state D party & leaders but she couldn’t name anything tangible or specific, and her party switch and its timing was a total baffling (and alienating) surprise to her extended still/D family.

      Reply
    49. 49.

      lowtechcyclist

      April 20, 2025 at 2:30 pm

      @Matt McIrvin:

      I wear cutoffs all summer, and never gotten flak for it, here in my rather red county.

      My definition of ‘summer’ is when I put on cutoffs and t-shirt in the morning without needing to think about whether it’s warm enough.

      Reply
    50. 50.

      WTFGhost

      April 20, 2025 at 2:42 pm

      @Matt McIrvin:(Usually with some strange hundred-year-old idea that shorts are an age marker and exclusively for young boys. This hasn’t been true since before I was born.)

      That is the reason for it, but, most people only know that it’s about men wearing shorts. When people want to find scorn with someone, they’ll find a reason, even if they don’t understand it.

      It’s like, there used to be an expression, “your father would turn over in his grave to hear you think of selling the family business!”

      The expression means, although dad is dead, yes, for reals, dead, and in his grave, he would still be so upset, he would turn his back on you, to show disgust, in his very GRAVE of all places, where he should be resting peacefully!

      People have turned it into people becoming zombie gyroscopes, “spinning” in their grave, because they often don’t even know that the original expression was “turn over,” nor do they understand why.

      Mace reminds me of a cousin, who played a game with me, where the punchline was to roar with laughter, and say “you just cut the cheese!” an expression I didn’t actually know.

      So I asked him, “WTF does that mean?” (as a child, I would have avoided the WTF, but the vocal intonation carried it), and he was all “I dunno,’ and started to wander away “HEY DAD! What’s that mean…” at which point I’d head-desked (metaphorically, there were no actual desks) to the point that I couldn’t hear more.

      THAT is Nancy Mace… to the frickin’ BONE. She knows she has to be nasty, but doesn’t have any actual wit, so she comes across a as a poison-mean harridan, relieved of “cackling” and “hysteria” because there’s an R after her name, and besides, she won’t back down from a hate-fueled fight and that’s what Republicans want: pure-D hate.

      Maybe it’s code?
      “States Rights” = “bigotry”
      “Constitutional” = “hateful”
      “Patriotic” = “believes religion justifies bigotry”
      “family values”= “kill the different, who bigoted families can’t stand”

      I mean, it would make a lot more sense as a code, than as shared words that mean the same thing.

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    51. 51.

      cmorenc

      April 20, 2025 at 2:42 pm

      Nancy Mace’s problem is that MTG already has the niche sewn up that Mace is trying to capture, and has a far more natural “Southern crazy lady” persona than Mace, who ends up projecting Karen vibes rather than dizy cartoon redneck Scarlet O’Hara like MTG does.

      Reply
    52. 52.

      WaterGirl

      April 20, 2025 at 2:43 pm

      @Steve in the ATL: I saw commercials – that was enough!

      Reply
    53. 53.

      They Call Me Noni

      April 20, 2025 at 2:46 pm

      @lowtechcyclist: So very sick of the crassness and cruelty of these people.  Do they seriously have no concept of how their behavior lands with people who are anywhere near normal?  There have got to be a fair number of Republicans who don’t think this is how adults should be acting.  People whose parents raised them better.  I live in red Indiana and know a quite a few Republicans who are not nut jobs and wouldn’t think that this is acceptable behavior.

      Reply
    54. 54.

      trollhattan

      April 20, 2025 at 2:47 pm

      @Nukular Biskits: ​
       
      James Brown enters the conversation.

      https://youtu.be/lehBlK2MrD8?si=NKem8-F3PkKRNA4w

      Reply
    55. 55.

      zhena gogolia

      April 20, 2025 at 2:48 pm

      This is your U. S. House of Representatives, people.

      Reply
    56. 56.

      Unabogie

      April 20, 2025 at 2:51 pm

      “Daisy Dukes?”

      The man is calm as can be, asked a valid question, and she goes off on his sexuality and then mocks his appearance.

      What a horrible, horrible creature she is.

      Reply
    57. 57.

      Melancholy Jaques

      April 20, 2025 at 2:52 pm

      These remarks landed poorly. The room grew tense, and then came a flurry of disgusted tweets and negative news stories.

      After which they all donated, endorsed, and voted for her.

      Reply
    58. 58.

      WaterGirl

      April 20, 2025 at 3:02 pm

      @zhena gogolia: No, people like Jasmine Crockett and Maxwell Frost are my U.S. House of Representatives.

      Reply
    59. 59.

      NutmegAgain

      April 20, 2025 at 3:02 pm

      Wow, that’s a new kind of constituent service. She’s unhinged.

      Reply
    60. 60.

      Geminid

      April 20, 2025 at 3:05 pm

      @AM in NC: Cotham barely won reelection as a Republican last year. She beat Democrat Nicole Sidman by 216 votes, 27,303 to 27,087. Cotham’s 105th House District is in the Charlotte suburbs.

      Reply
    61. 61.

      gene108

      April 20, 2025 at 3:08 pm

      @Chief Oshkosh:

      I can’t keep up with The Freak of the Week. Is Mace the one who ran and was elected as a Democrat at one point, and then unzipped the fake skin and emerged to show her true self once in office?

      Jeff van Drew, NJ-2 was elected as a Democrat in 2018 and switched parties before seeking re-election.

      Fucking hate that motherfucker. People worked so damn hard in 2018 to flip Republican districts in NJ – Andy Kim, Mikie Sherrill, and Tom Malinowski – were the other three Democrats to flip seats that year. Malinowski lost his re-election bid in 2022 to former incumbent Thomas Kean, Jr., who he beat in 2018.

      Kim’s a Senator. Sherrill is one of many running for the open governor’s seat this year.

      Reply
    62. 62.

      Jay

      April 20, 2025 at 3:09 pm

      https://nitter.poast.org/RnaudBertrand/status/1913823474231263325#m

      Arnaud Bertrand
      @RnaudBertrand
      13h
      This is quite crazy.

      According to former Assistant Secretary of Defense Chas Freeman (one of the rare senior US officials that I admire), the Trump administration couldn’t even explain to the Japanese negotiating team what they were looking to achieve with the tariffs.

      Here’s what Freeman said: “The Japanese have just been in Washington. Their experience apparently was they went to talk to the American leadership on this matter, and the American leadership said ‘what are you offering?’ And the Japanese said ‘well, what is it that you want?’ And the Americans could not explain what they wanted.”

      Freeman also noted, correctly, that “the United States [broke] virtually every agreement it has agreed to in recent decades including the replacement for NAFTA with proposed tariffs on Canada and Mexico that was negotiated by Mr. Trump in his first term.”

      Which doesn’t exactly encourage countries to make a deal with Trump: what’s the point?

      Which is why Freeman believes that China won’t go for negotiations and has instead decided to “wait [America] out”.

      As he puts it: “What is [China’s] incentive to negotiate with the US when the US has no stated objectives that make sense and no record of compliance with its own agreements? I think the Chinese have decided they will wait us out and see how Americans like Walmart and Amazon denuded of products.”

      Fundamentally and somewhat paradoxically, that’s the thing Trump the self-anointed “dealmaker” obviously doesn’t get: at the end of the day dealmaking is built on credibility and consistency, and America has now neither.
      Apr 20, 2025 · 5:14 AM UTC

      Reply
    63. 63.

      WaterGirl

      April 20, 2025 at 3:14 pm

      @NutmegAgain: I’m thinking he deserves a medal if he didn’t call her a fucking bitch.

      Reply
    64. 64.

      Geminid

      April 20, 2025 at 3:15 pm

      @gene108: I’m curious: what do you think of Rep. Mikie Sherrill’s candidacy for New Jersey Governor?

      Reply
    65. 65.

      jackmac

      April 20, 2025 at 3:16 pm

      @They Call Me Noni: Yet they continue to vote for the unhinged nutjobs.

       

      @They Call Me Noni:

      Reply
    66. 66.

      WTFGhost

      April 20, 2025 at 3:17 pm

      Here, Mace, Happy Easter to you too!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPQPMCVz5fM

      Link to recording of “God Will Fuck You Up” by John Butler.

      “Oh sinner, do not stray/ From that Straight and Narrow Way
      “For the Lord is surely watching what you do…
      “If you approach the den of Sin/ Turn ’round don’t enter in
      Lest the hand of the almighty fall on you…” (Chorus: “He’ll Fuck you up…”)

      Reply
    67. 67.

      Sister Golden Bear

      April 20, 2025 at 3:21 pm

      @Caphilldcne:

      She’s the terrible person who welcomed the first transgender woman to Congress by introducing bills to ban her from using the women’s restroom.

      This after being a proponent of trans rights until about a year prior.

      @WTFGhost:

      No, she didn’t try to pass bills forbidding her colleague from using the women’s bathroom – she spread sick and disgusting claims that “as a victim of sexual assault, she was terrified that someone could be in a CONGRESSIONAL BATHROOM with COPS ALL AROUND might  ASSAULT HER because…”.

      She definitely did all of the latter, but you’re correct Mace didn’t try to pass bills. But she successfully lobbied Speaker Johnson to change House rules to prevent any trans people from using bathrooms in the Capitol.

      Reply
    68. 68.

      lowtechcyclist

      April 20, 2025 at 3:28 pm

      @Jay:

      What Freeman says makes sense to me.

      Trump’s approach to deal-making may have worked well for him when he apparently was the big rich casino owner dealing with small local contractors that he could push around.

      Try that in the global village, bucko.

      Reply
    69. 69.

      Lyrebird

      April 20, 2025 at 3:31 pm

      @They Call Me Noni: Yeah I wonder if she is confusing good rumor strategy with good – meaning bad – video strategy.  Between decent Republicans and those who also know those are bog standard khaki shorts on someone who probably had a trimmer figure 10 years ago, I hope Rep. Mace gets lots of WTH??? and that the very polite and ultra-normal-looking constituent guy gets extra police protection.  ETA – I would assume that the majority of voters over 27 had a trimmer figure 10 years ago.

      BTW Here’s to creative wonderful folks in Indiana! DKos photo diary, my favorite protest poster is the one at the top.

      Reply
    70. 70.

      WTFGhost

      April 20, 2025 at 3:34 pm

      @WaterGirl: Arguably, the First Amendment’s primary intention is to allow ordinary people to call the Maces of the world “fucking bitches!” and having everyone around them stop and think “Yeah, she’s a fucking bitch, but it would be inappropriate for all of us to start chanting it, so let’s have a few callouts.”

      I could be wrong about it, but I did assume that calling out bad behavior was considered the first means of trying to stop it.

      @Jay: Trump never understood “the art of the deal.” He just understood what to do, once you had a deal no one could walk away from. If you owe the bank enough money, and your collateral, as collateral, is useless, you can always volunteer to liquidate, and they’ll give you more, right up to the point that liquidation is better for them. When a building’s only partially built, that’s a great time to renegotiate, swearing the building will never get completed without more investment and better terms.

      Reply
    71. 71.

      Ruckus

      April 20, 2025 at 3:34 pm

      @Matt McIrvin:

      How does anyone live around assholes like that? I mean there must be some around where I live but I sure don’t see them very often. And I walk in shorts about 10-11 months a year around here in SoCal, several miles a week – and so do many others. Now I did live in the middle of the country for a decade/job – and see no need to return. I also bet that if anyone acted like that around here, they would get the single finger salute, or possibly the 2 finger version.

      Reply
    72. 72.

      Matt McIrvin

      April 20, 2025 at 3:36 pm

      @lowtechcyclist: It’s specifically a cranky-cultural-critic kind of thing. I think it’s one of George Will’s peeves. When James Howard Kunstler went off on it, I started to suspect there was something wrong with him, and lo and behold he did slide into the abyss of every kind of loathsome crankery.

      Reply
    73. 73.

      JoeyJoeJoe

      April 20, 2025 at 3:44 pm

      @gene108: I know this sounds like nitpicking, but Malinowski defeated republican congressman Leonard Lance in 2018; Kean challenged Malinowski in 2020, I believe.  Lance is memorable to me, as I was interning for a different representative in early 2009, when Lance first arrived on Capitol Hill, and I remember going up an escalator in the Capitol as Lance was going down to other side, as someone was taking a photo of him

      Reply
    74. 74.

      Baud

      April 20, 2025 at 3:49 pm

      @Matt McIrvin:

      I wouldn’t want to see George Will in shorts.

      Reply
    75. 75.

      Gary K

      April 20, 2025 at 3:56 pm

      @apocalipstick: Damn it, that was going to be my comment!

      Reply
    76. 76.

      Baud

      April 20, 2025 at 3:59 pm

      Via Reddit, I learned there’s a congressional free thought caucus. All Dems BTW.

      Reply
    77. 77.

      Ella in New Mexico

      April 20, 2025 at 4:03 pm

      @trollhattan: OMG that song!

      The memories I have of being a little girl seeing all my mom’s friends in Hot Pants are crazeeee

      Reply
    78. 78.

      HopefullyNotcassandra

      April 20, 2025 at 4:17 pm

      @Caphilldcne: they do stay put in waves and whoa boy are we in rough water right now.

      So, I guess hang loose (?)

      Reply
    79. 79.

      sab

      April 20, 2025 at 4:24 pm

      @Baud: I would. I bet bird legs.

      Reply
    80. 80.

      Andrew Abshier

      April 20, 2025 at 4:31 pm

      “Some unhinged lunatic.”   Now, and forever, IT’S ALWAYS PROJECTION!

      Reply
    81. 81.

      HopefullyNotcassandra

      April 20, 2025 at 4:31 pm

      This president plans to end the foreign service exam and replace that requirement with loyalty oaths to him.

      Could his administration be worse for our national security if he were in the service of all of our enemies, including the ones who brought down our twin towers?

      And instead of standing “athwart history and yelling stop!” this member of our House of Representatives is picking a fight with a constituent over a town hall.

      The Republican Party is indistinguishable from arsenic-as-milk-pushers these days and somewhere, surely, John Brown is crying.

      Reply
    82. 82.

      Ruckus

      April 20, 2025 at 4:33 pm

      @Unabogie:

      Around here that would get her a forceful middle finger. And if she gave any back any crap to that it would be followed by the 2 spoken words to back it up. And it might be someone not close to her age. In either direction, or either gender

      Reply
    83. 83.

      Ruckus

      April 20, 2025 at 4:40 pm

      @They Call Me Noni:

      As any population gets bigger there are more individuals who do not fit in, but think that it’s everyone else that doesn’t.

      It is after all humanity, in all its incarnations. Or is that idiocies?

      Reply
    84. 84.

      gene108

      April 20, 2025 at 4:54 pm

      @Jay:

      Fundamentally and somewhat paradoxically, that’s the thing Trump the self-anointed “dealmaker” obviously doesn’t get: at the end of the day dealmaking is built on credibility and consistency, and America has now neither.

      It’s not how one “negotiates” when a casino owner, for example, wants to get out of paying what he promised a mom-and-pop contractor for services rendered.

      @Geminid:

      I’m curious: what do you think of Rep. Mikie Sherrill’s candidacy for New Jersey Governor?

      I haven’t paid much attention to the governor’s race up to now. I do not have an opinion on any candidate.

      Reply
    85. 85.

      gene108

      April 20, 2025 at 5:00 pm

      @lowtechcyclist:

      Trump’s approach to deal-making may have worked well for him when he apparently was the big rich casino owner dealing with small local contractors that he could push around.

      Republican* voters think the U.S. is the rich casino owner, or should be, and the rest of the world is the small contractor. They are angry at reality, because that’s not how international relations work in the 21st century.

      *Bush & Co., branch of Republicans, ie the “sane” Republicans, have a similar worldview.

      Reply
    86. 86.

      Steve in the ATL

      April 20, 2025 at 5:36 pm

      @Ruckus:

      As any population gets bigger there are more individuals who do not fit in

      then this should be WAY bigger than an almost top 10,000 blog!

      Reply
    87. 87.

      Jay

      April 20, 2025 at 5:46 pm

      @gene108:

      It’s a US thing. Here in BC, the first thing you do, when the contract is signed is file a lien against title. $36 and you can do it by fax. There will be a deposit, usually 20%, paid before any work is started, or materials bought. Depending on the size and length of the contract, further payments are required when completion marks are hit. By the end of the contract, 90% has to be paid, with 10% held back for “deficiencies”.

      The second thing you do is make up a stack of change notices. When the Customer signs off on the changes, (dates, materiel, additional work, costs), you file that as well.

      If they go to refinance the work, the Bank will contact you and see if they are up to date on payments. If not, no refinance. If they go to sell the project, you are the first one to get paid out of the sale. Same with foreclosure or bankruptcy.

      During the contract, they can try to sue you, but if you have kept to the contract, the suit is usually dismissed with costs in the early stages.

      Reply
    88. 88.

      They Call Me Noni

      April 20, 2025 at 7:09 pm

      @jackmac: Boggles the mind.

      Reply
    89. 89.

      They Call Me Noni

      April 20, 2025 at 7:14 pm

      @Lyrebird: Yay for Indiana!  There was no protest that I could find in my area yesterday and Indianapolis is a couple of hours up I65.  I even had my daughter check because she participates in social media (I do not) and she didn’t find anything either.

      Reply
    90. 90.

      Steve in the ATL

      April 20, 2025 at 7:22 pm

      @They Call Me Noni: btw what did you think of the dramatic ending at the Masters?

      I had been pulling for Rory so he could get the career slam, but then I also wanted Rose to win because he’s such an incredibly nice and gracious guy.

      Reply
    91. 91.

      BellaPea

      April 20, 2025 at 7:43 pm

      @Another Scott: Thanks, Scott for postings. So sad. I hope someone eventually adopted him. He looks a lot like my P

      ‘Nut.

      Reply
    92. 92.

      Geminid

      April 20, 2025 at 8:49 pm

      @gene108: Thanks. I check out that race every now and then, and it seems pretty quiet.

      Virginia, where I live, also has statewide races this year but our candidate for Governor, former Rep. Abigalil Spanberger has no primary opponent. Spanberger and Rep. Sherrill seem fairly similar in pŕofile and outlook.

      Reply
    93. 93.

      George

      April 20, 2025 at 8:52 pm

      @Another Scott:

       I wonder if Mace wearing the scarlet A when Scalise had been nominated for speaker of the house was a veiled way for her to allege that Scalise was an adulterer, potentially with Mace herself.

      Reply
    94. 94.

      Gretchen

      April 20, 2025 at 8:53 pm

      @HopefullyNotcassandra: Really? Can he do that?

      Reply
    95. 95.

      The Unmitigated Gaul

      April 21, 2025 at 12:07 am

      @WaterGirl: Now, THAT is a great idea!😂

      Reply
    96. 96.

      Paul in KY

      April 21, 2025 at 1:56 pm

      @Matt McIrvin: Hell yeah!!!

      Reply

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