Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

The Giant Orange Man Baby is having a bad day.

Baby steps, because the Republican Party is full of angry babies.

Giving in to doom is how we fail to fight for ourselves & one another.

Republicans firmly believe having an abortion is a very personal, very private decision between a woman and J.D. Vance.

They were going to turn on one another at some point. It was inevitable.

When tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty. ~Thomas Jefferson

You are either for trump or for democracy. Pick one.

There are times when telling just part of the truth is effectively a lie.

In after Baud. Damn.

So many bastards, so little time.

The revolution will be supervised.

Rupert, come get your orange boy, you petrified old dinosaur turd.

There are consequences to being an arrogant, sullen prick.

Black Jesus loves a paper trail.

The cruelty is the point; the law be damned.

“When somebody takes the time to draw up a playbook, they’re gonna use it.”

Fight for a just cause, love your fellow man, live a good life.

Good lord, these people are nuts.

Tick tock motherfuckers!

You don’t get to peddle hatred on saturday and offer condolences on sunday.

These days, even the boring Republicans are nuts.

Too often we hand the biggest microphones to the cynics and the critics who delight in declaring failure.

When I was faster i was always behind.

I’d hate to be the candidate who lost to this guy.

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Are we sure he’s not the Antichrist?  At a minimum, he is certainly the anti-Biden.

Biden worked hard at helping people by reducing student loans.

FFOTUS is out to destroy the people who can’t keep up with their payments.

Oh, so jacking up grocery prices, crashing the stock market, threatening to slash Medicaid & SNAP, and slapping on ridiculous tariffs wasn’t enough?

Now Trump’s coming for your paycheck and your tax refund—just because you fell behind on student loans during a pandemic.

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— Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett (@repjasmine.bsky.social) April 22, 2025 at 9:45 AM

I just ordered this car magnet.

Open thread.

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  1. 1.

    Gretchen

    I loved that the WSJ article Betty linked bluntly refers to the « Trump rout ».  The Wall Street Journal!

  7. 7.

    WaterGirl

    It just struck me that if that were a Trump car magnet, there would be an apostrophe in King’s, because they have trouble with spelling and grammar English.

  9. 9.

    WaterGirl

    PSA: If anyone wants to get in on frosty’s $1k Angel match, there is $125 left on the match.

  10. 10.

    Fair Economist

    @schrodingers_cat: Imagine that. Not hearing much about Gaza, either, even though Israel is once again bombing and blocking aid.  It’s almost like the tankie left opposition to Biden was engineered to put Trump in office.

  11. 11.

    WaterGirl

    @Fair Economist:

    It’s almost like the tankie left opposition to Biden was engineered to put Trump in office.

    Fixed that for you.

    *but why?   That’s what I don’t get.

  13. 13.

    rk

    I had this conversation with a young person who voted for Biden but said that a lot of young people hated Biden because ultimately their loan forgiveness did not come through. I said that this was because of the supreme Court and not Biden . His response was that don’t promise what you can’t deliver.

    I don’t know what the answer to this is. The fundamental problem is the voters who don’t really understand how anything works. Even democratic voters. That’s why a huge chunk of them switched from Biden to Trump and a whole lot of them stayed home.

    Maybe this destruction may open some People’s eyes as to what role the government plays in their lives.

  19. 19.

    rk

    @Fair Economist:

    Because they know that protesting Gaza is a one way ticket to El Salvador. They all know that protesting a democratic president has no consequences.

    Trump was not surrounded by evil monsters last time. He was restrained during the BLM protests.

  20. 20.

    sab

    @Baud: It is always about you. You must know that whatever it says it is about you. If it isn’t then you will never be president. And we can’t have that.

  25. 25.

    Captain C

    @WaterGirl: His propaganda tells them what they want to hear and thus they don’t think about it critically

    eta:  Also, I suspect at least some of them can’t tell the difference between the USSR and the current revanchist, rightist, mafia state that is Putin’s Russia.  Or just don’t want to.

  26. 26.

    zhena gogolia

    I ordered the same magnet!

    And yes, he is the Antichrist. I can’t tell you how many people have said that to me. We can’t all be wrong.

  28. 28.

    lowtechcyclist

    I’d say Trump’s an antichrist. John, in his first epistle, says there are many of them.

  29. 29.

    Captain C

    It’s funny that you put this headline up while I’m in the middle of reading Fred Clark (Slacktivist)’s reviews of the first two books of the Left Behind series, which points out hilariously the theological and writing awfulness of the series.  That said, Nicolae Carpathia is a more believable character than Preznit Fuckwit and his merry band of destroyers.

  30. 30.

    Jay

    @WaterGirl:

    One theory, is that tankies want everything to be burned down, from which a egalitarian new economy and political system will arise.

    So, support the arsonist.

    An other theory, is the Horseshoe theory, where Tankies have more in common with MAGgot’s than the Democrats.

    Another theory, is that a bunch of naïve yout’s got played by disinfo, inside and out.

    On the r/Leopards reddit, there was a post by some youth, stating why they voted for DJTdiot, basically a list of reasons “they believed” shite, like Ukraine War in 24 hours, etc.

    Probably a mix of all that.

    Eg. Tariff’s FFS.

    Basically, “you don’t know anyone as stupid as Americans, you really don’t”.

    paraphrasing Fran Lebowitz on DJTdiot. 

  33. 33.

    Splitting Image

    @WaterGirl:

    *but why? That’s what I don’t get.

    It isn’t all due to Russian agitprop, but the tankies wouldn’t be doing anything differently if it were.

    A lot of labour activists use the rhetoric of worker unity (“We are the 99%”) but don’t really support the rights of women and people of colour as workers when the rubber hits the road.

    They would rather see the wealth gap between the super-rich and the working classes get wider than to see the wage gap between men and women,  or between white people and black people, get any narrower.

    Russians have been actively working to exploit the wedges between different factions of the working class, but the wedges were already there.

  36. 36.

    prostratedragon

    @prostratedragon:  I misread that. Of course, I mean, “Hell yes he is.”

    Exhibit:

    NEW: The VA is establishing an “anti-Christian bias” task force and asking VA employees to submit any instances they witness of anti-Christian bias in the Dept to Christianbiasreporting at va dot gov.

    They are seeking the following examples.

    The examples are in a print image of extremely rare events so phrased as to permit many things into thdir purview.

  39. 39.

    sab

    @Jay: Yikes! You have come around quite a bit. You used to be friendly. I am not judging at all.

    I wonder which side of the border my nephew and his Canadian wife will end up on. She dashed to the nearest Canadian post office to register her kids as soon as they were born.

  40. 40.

    artem1s

    @Jay: you think the Gaza tankies weren’t curiously well funded? do you think any of the money they raised went to Palestine?

  42. 42.

    RSA

    Are we sure he’s not the Antichrist?

    I don’t know, but consider the traditional seven deadly sins: pride, greed, lust, envy, gluttony, wrath, and sloth. Trump is the poster child for every single one. If we looked at his personality profile, we’d probably want to add a few new ones.

  44. 44.

    The Audacity of Krope

    @Fair Economist: Not hearing much about Gaza, either, even though Israel is once again bombing and blocking aid.

    If you’re thirsty for invective related to Gaza, I got some content sitting unremarked up on about two threads back.

  45. 45.

    Timill

    @WaterGirl: As a graduate of the King’s College of Our Lady and Saint Nicholas in Cambridge, I have to say that “No King’s In America” would convey an entirely different message…

  48. 48.

    sentient ai from the future

    so this is what i’ve been dreading.

    i owe upwards of $500k for an ill-fated attempt to become a physician. if only i hadn’t prioritized my family over my career.

    at any rate, as a divorced parent without a credential i was like fuck this, come at me bro. i was on wage garnishment for a couple of years while i worked two jobs driving a forklift on a loading dock, because i needed to pay the bills. my right shoulder still picks fights with me over that.

    covid saved my ass. no wage garnishment, AND extra unemployment money that i saved and eventually put into an IRA. i was in low income housing at that point, and got my rent paid so everything i was saving in case i needed to just barf it all up for rent, i was able to keep in my IRA. this would never have happened otherwise.

    after the additional money evaporated and biden was president, i got onto the SAVE plan, which meant i was paying small amounts monthly, appropriate to my income, and THEY TOOK ALL THE BAD STUFF OFF MY CREDIT RECORD RETROACTIVELY.

    so i bought a used EV. got the tax refund in inflation protected savings bonds.

    my life, and the life of my child, have been substantially improved by student loan forgiveness and the associated biden programs.

    my child is also transgender. a month or two ago i sat down with my true-blue senator’s constituent services staffer, with my child, because the threat of limiting their access to puberty blockers is a real, persistent, and direct threat to my child’s well being. we discussed how providing opportunity to improve one’s life outcomes is or should be the goal of government, and that biden’s programs did precisely that for me and for my kid.

    so now i have to consider how at-risk my existing assets are, and whether i should maintain them here or move them out of the country. i still dont have anywhere near enough to pay off my debt, nor do i have enough to even pay the interest on my debt load each year and still live.

    today i went to the airport to check the currency exchange spot prices.

  49. 49.

    Jay

    @sab:

    I guess it is a combo of things.

    r/Leopards, etc.

    Newsom spending millions in ad money trying to get Canadian’s back to Cali, when we could wind up in El Salvador or spend months in ICE detention.

    The head of the US Soybean Association figuring out, finally, that tariff’s are paid by the Consumer and kill exports, after he went through the whole exercise before during DJTdiot 45 term.

    Truckers finding out that they need imports free of tariffs to make a living.

    I won’t hold that Canadians are greatly smarter. My riding is going Lib, when we have a Dipper MP, and Con’s are running second. But we have the CBC and are a bit better informed.

    r/Leopards has case after case of “I didn’t think he would deport MY wife”.

    Yeah, he said he would, 1700 times on the campaign trail.

    Y’all want to flee north, I have 8 sleeping bags, mats and air mattresses, (camping history, 4 seasons here and I used to have a sailboat, different bags for different occasions),

    But we will need to set up a bathroom schedule. It’s a 1BDR.

  50. 50.

    SpaceUnit

    A much-used ploy to lead lefties into the wilderness is the Pied Piper strategy.  Promote some seemingly sensible figure such as Jill Stein, Glenn Greenwald  or Matt Taibbi among young left-leaning but politically naive Americans.  Then once they’ve gathered a large enough audience they gradually begin to shift their messaging to one of disappointment with Democrats.  They aren’t doing enough.  They’re not granting your every liberal wish.  They’re part of the problem.  They’re just as bad if not worse.  The only way forward is to rid ourselves of the current Democrats in office.  Etc.

    Russian / Republican embeds, every one.

  51. 51.

    Scout211

    Gavin Newsom was interviewed by NBC News and proceeded to criticize the Democratic Party.  Is this going to be SOP for campaigns this election season?

    SAN ANSELMO, Calif. — Gov. Gavin Newsom, widely viewed as a potential contender for the 2028 Democratic presidential nomination, had tough words for his own party — “We are as dumb as we want to be,” he said — in an exclusive interview Monday with NBC News in this Marin County suburb north of San Francisco.

    Democrats have been too focused on the personality of candidates at the top of the ticket, rather than building a platform that is bigger than the nominee and addresses how the party will fight for what voters want, he said.
    “We just have to move beyond the guy or gal on the white horse that’s going to come save the day — it’s exhausting,” the second-term chief executive of the nation’s most-populous state said. “This party needs to rebuild itself from the bottom up, not top down. We are as dumb as we want to be.”

    After reading his words, I feel as dumb as I need to be.

    So what is he doing to “rebuild from the bottom up?”  Why, he’s courting those young men who look up to Trump and Joe Rogan! Smart!

    No, dumb, Gavin.

    Newsom said he has been surprised by the ferocity of the backlash against his interviews with MAGA figures, but he appears to be committed to learning from Trump’s victories in two of the last three presidential elections. He was particularly struck by Trump’s advantage with young men, which he attributed to the attention the current president paid to them — which was demonstrated in part by appearing on podcasts and YouTube shows popular with that cohort.

    “He had no policy to back up for young men, how to take care of these kids,” Newsom said. “But he at least expressed that — I see you, you matter, I care.”

    It’s gonna be a long election season.

  53. 53.

    sentient ai from the future

    @Jay: i have told the kiddo that once they are out of the house i am buying a sailboat and being an itinerant/homeless/anchorage/docks crusty. if i can do that in canada, all the better. HMU

  55. 55.

    The Audacity of Krope

    @Scout211: “[Trump] had no policy to back up for young men, how to take care of these kids,” Newsom said.

    Understatement of the millennium.

    “But he at least expressed that — I see you, you matter, I care.”

    Is there a different Trump who’s President of the United States in California?

  57. 57.

    Ohio Mom

    @sentient ai from the future: You are very pragmatic and strategic. I was going to say that can only help but in this upside down era, who knows what will help? Luck, I guess luck always comes in handy. Good luck to you and your child.

    And I’ll add that the cost of medical education in this country is criminal. So much about how we train doctors is sadistic.

  58. 58.

    Jay

    @artem1s:

    In the Reveal/RT expose, the top 10 ruZZian disinfo perps, were doing it for $1500 a month.

    We are all “olds” here. We don’t get paid for commenting, (damn Soro’s), but as the Edolph baby drama legions, expose shows, one can make up to almost $50K USD a month, by being a Twitterati influencer.

  59. 59.

    YY_Sima Qian

    Get ready for a jump in stocks come morning:

    Eamon Javers @EamonJavers

    Source in the room tells me this is a rough transcript of the comments Treasury Secretary Bessent made yesterday at a closed door event that are moving markets today: “The next steps with China are, no one thinks the current status quo is sustainable at 145 and 125 [percent]. So I would posit that over the very near future, there will be a de-escalation. And I think that that should give the world, the markets, a sigh of relief… We have an embargo now, on both sides, right?”

    Bessent says he expects ‘de-escalation’ in U.S.-China tariff fight soon

    Bessent also said: “If you look, I think that saw a number that container bookings between China in the U.S., and this is from two weeks ago, is down 64%. So the goal isn’t to decouple. The goal isn’t to decouple.   And I do say China is going to be a slog in terms of the negotiations, because that engagement started – I would – not yet. But I think again, I think neither side thinks the status quo, is sustainable, but I’ve said it quite a bit.”

    And he said: “What’s different about China that we’ve never seen before. If you go back to the ’80s, our economic rivals were our military allies. So if you look at the Reagan-Carr negotiation… it was basically Japan and the Europeans, and it was just an economic negotiation.   Now with China, there’s this balance between economic and military that we’ve never seen before. And I think that at the end of the day, could be very optimistic, because there is a big deal to be done. I think that no one in this room believes that China does not need to rebalance. I think that maybe some people in this room, but certainly no one in the administration, believes that they have had free and fair trade.”

    & now this:

    Trump says he has ‘no intention of firing’ Fed Chair Powell, days after saying his ‘termination cannot come fast enough’
    By Ramishah Maruf, Tori B. Powell and Elisabeth Buchwald, CNN
    3 minute read
    Updated 6:41 PM EDT, Tue April 22, 2025

    Finbarr Bermingham@fbermingham

    Trump trying to cool things with China “No, I’m not going to mention COVID. I’m not going to say, ‘Oh, I’m going to play hardball with China, I’m going to play hardball with you, President Xi.’ No, we’re going to be very nice,” Trump told reporters

    “We’ll see what happens. But ultimately, they have to make a deal, because otherwise they’re not going to be able to deal in the US. We want them involved” “If they don’t make a deal – we’ll set the deal, we’re the ones that set the deal … it’ll be a fair deal for everybody”

    Trump says China tariffs will drop ‘substantially – but it won’t be zero’
    US president says tariffs on imported goods will come down from 145% rate but insists ‘we’re doing fine with China’
    Guardian staff and agencies
    Tue 22 Apr 2025 23.58 BST

    Either Trump & Bessent are manipulating the markets so that they & their cronies can profit off the volatility, or they are getting ready to fold, or both.

  62. 62.

    sentient ai from the future

    @WaterGirl: i’ll scrape by like i always have. i didn’t ask for help or advice, and i have made my peace with doing so when i need it, or shortly after the realization that i do need it is unavoidable.

    and i am always up for listening for the little-known maneuvering, that occasionally gets discussed here.

    but mostly i want people to know that this shit matters, and to have stories they can tell to others about what it means to people. personal narratives are a lot more convincing to some people than statistics or morality. i dont understand it, but it is what it is.

  66. 66.

    dww44

    @rk: Let’s face it we are where we are because our citizenry is woefully under informed.  If we ever get out of this crisis, and I’m not very hopeful about that  tonight ( see CBS 60 Minutes producer leaves: more bowing and scraping by our country’s wealthiest) we need to do better with our civics education. A lot better.

  67. 67.

    Baud

    @rk:

    His response was that don’t promise what you can’t deliver.

     
    Voters as consumers.

    Ironically, it’s the right that has a better sense of civic duty. In furtherance of evil, but civic duty nonetheless.

  68. 68.

    Jay

    @sentient ai from the future:

    Go West Coast, not East Coast, too cold.

    On the West Coast, watch out for katabatic winds. Wind avalanches in the fiords.

    Lot’s of opportunities for gardens. Crick, raised beds on south facing empty land, good for peas, potatoes, 3 sisters, you will have to share with bears, get a subsidence permit, so you are not “limited” by game seasons.

    I spent 2 years living on a 26′ sailboat, sailing up and down the coast, living “off the land” for the most part, (dried beans, brown rice, oils, beer, eggs).

  71. 71.

    WaterGirl

    @dww44: I have been trying to figure out how we do that. At some point years ago, something or other passed in the house and my sister thought that was all there was to it – no idea that something has to pass the house in the Senate and quite likely go through reconciliation and be signed by the president.

    also did not know the difference between the primary and the general election.

    I don’t know where we start.

  72. 72.

    sentient ai from the future

    @Jay: “dried beans, brown rice, beer, oils, eggs” is basically the diet (sans beer) i trained myself to tolerate when drawing SNAP, so if i’m also getting exercise and traveling by magic using the wind i expect to be pretty ok for a while

  75. 75.

    sentient ai from the future

    @Baud: “don’t promise what you can’t deliver” sounds pithy and shit but when the thing preventing him from delivering the benefit was SCOTUS’s refusal to interpret black-letter law in a straightforward way, or even in a way consistent with the contemporaneously expressed intent of congress, and instead manufacturing a bullshit doctrine with no precedent in law in order to prevent an unpalatable political outcome, well.

    that’s the sort of thing that it’s really not possible to anticipate. and if you don’t see that the culpability for that outcome is entirely on the political right wing, then you’re not paying attention or you’re stupid, and either way, not worth wasting time on

  80. 80.

    Comrade Scrutinizer

    @prostratedragon:

    “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits.”

  82. 82.

    Jay

    @sentient ai from the future:

    Tide tables, current charts, yulow, the wind is often not kind.

    Seafood will be a big chunk of your diet, bit you will also hunger for meat. A .22/410 over under, (.22 rifle, single shot, 410 shotgun under) and a subsidence permit adds grouse, ducks, rabbits, etc to the diet.

    A key thing is deciding “when to move”. A safe anchorage can become a trap with a wind change. There are lot’s of fish on the West Coast, don’t think salmon, think flounder, another thing about the subsistence permit, you can use nets.

    Greens, fruit and vedge are the key things missing. Lot’s of wild greens, if you know, lots of mushrooms, if you know.

    I had marked up charts, where people had homesteaded during the depression. I would “glean” those spots, asparagus, apples, one time even peaches. Survivor plants, 50 years later, still hanging on.

  84. 84.

    Librettist

    It wasn’t the dopes who didn’t pay attention.

    It’s the rich fuckers who funded this lunacy.

  88. 88.

    Jay

    @Timill:

    The old joke is that sailing as a hobby is like standing in a cold water shower while tearing up $1,000 bills.

    I bought my old boat for $4K, pretty basic boat but butchered, and not “tech”. Put about $6K plus sweat equity to make it “compliant”.

    Lived on it for 2 years after the tech crash, Salish Sea, Alaska, Haida Gwaii. West Coast of Vancouver Island.

    A big thing is KISS. For many boat owner’s, it’s a vanity project. keeping up with the Jones, all the latest tech and toys.

    Sold the boat for $12K

  95. 95.

    Harrison Wesley

    If only LOML would come with me we’d be in Slovenia and away from all this shit.

  96. 96.

    Tim C

    Honestly the “No Kings” seems like the kind of catchy slogan that makes for a good theme to organize around.  It pulls the Trumpers into defending his shittiest stuff and gets them all triggered.

    Way less stupid than “Let’s go Brandon”

  100. 100.

    RevRick

    @prostratedragon: @zhena gogolia:

    I have to weigh in on this glaringly theological question. No, Trump is not the anti-Christ.
    I would say that systems are more like the anti-Christ than any human could possibly be, though butchers like Genghis Khan and Stalin and Hitler and Pol Pot certainly deserve Hell, if anyone does.

    If anything qualifies as the anti-Christ, it’s the ideology of white male supremacy; it’s the ideology that might makes right; it’s the belief that human beings half to earn their worth and dignity.

    Donald Trump is too repugnant to be the anti-Christ. He has temporal power, and he has captured the loyalty of a significant chunk of the electorate, but that’s only because he offers that chunk the permission to be okay with the fruits of the anti-Christ ideology embedded in their minds.

    If I’m honest with myself, I have to acknowledge that I have been seduced by the anti-Christ ideologies that the world teaches us are true and real. And how could I not be? I am a child of this world.

    One of the slogans of the Protestant Reformation was simul iustus et peccator: we are at the same time justified by God’s grace and still sinners in need of God’s grace. We are all both healed and broken. And that health and brokenness is reflected in how we respond to life, how we treat others, the kind of assumptions we make about them.
    My hope is that as I age I will, by God’s grace, become a less shitty person, a better person.
    My point is that when we start judging other people, where do we draw the line? When does a human being move from being almost anti-Christ to full-blown anti-Christ? Who do we throw into the anti-Christ pile, and to whom do we say, “Well, you’re bad, but not that bad?”
    I,     for one, do not want that power to condemn, because, in the end, that’s how we get where we are.

    And in case you haven’t noticed, MAGA is really good at hurling condemnation at women, Black people, “illegal” immigrants, Jews, non-Christians, the poor, libruls….

  101. 101.

    prostratedragon

    @Kayla Rudbek:  Who’d have thought the liar was such an assiduous reader of scripture?

    Fwiw, I’ve been getting advance reportd for years. Makes one rather stoic.

  102. 102.

    prostratedragon

    @RevRick:  If disagreement is possible here, then maybe I do in part, although I usually take more abstract views of these concepts  i.e. Holy Spirit as expressions of synergy, etc. If Jesus was a living embodiment of certain prinviples, then what we have here seems to be the oppodite. But it is not up to us as humans to dispose of the matter at that level,  I’d agree; whatever it is, it is what it is. We have laws and institutions to try to impose such imperfect justice as we’re sllowed, but the rest is not up to us.

  103. 103.

    Bupalos

    @rk:I don’t know what the answer to this is. The fundamental problem is the voters who don’t really understand how anything works.

    The public intellectual Vlad Vexler on YouTube does really excellent work on this.

    Here’s the thing: People don’t understand how things work because things really don’t work, and don’t operate in any kind of transparent fashion. It’s an interaction on the one hand between things actually breaking, being broken, and becoming very complex, and on the other, people’s education, attention span, and personal capacity simply leaving them unable to understand the complex mess they are seeing in front of them called “the government.” He borrows Charles Taylor’s word “opacity” here and describes it as the most destructive of all the civic feelings, worse than not feeling safe, worse than betrayal by these institutions. People tend to go straight from here to wanting a strongman.

  104. 104.

    Lauryn11

    1. @catclub: It was striking how quickly the Russian bots on X quit posting about Biden being a genocidaire the day after November 5th.
  106. 106.

    Liminal Owl

    @schrodingers_cat: A great-uncle-by-marriage (who died before I was born) was reputedly a tankie back around the beginning of the Soviet Union. Towards the end of his life he had hopped across the horseshoe and was writing for Reason magazine.

  107. 107.

    AM in NC

    @Jay:  Well that all sounds cool AF. Not easy, but cool AF, and increasingly necessary skills, I’m afraid.

    I can grow the hell out of a garden and harvest seeds for the following year, (also make and use crab/crawfish nets) but I wouldn’t be able to protect my homestead from marauders trying to take it all, should things come to that.

    BUT, I’m good at reading schematics and fairly creative, so I figure I could “Nick Offerman in The Last of Us” some shit right quick.

  110. 110.

    RevRick

    @Kayla Rudbek: @WaterGirl:

    The word apocalypse was not about an end of the world disaster, but about revealing or unveiling or disclosing.

    In the book of Revelation, all the allegories about who anti-Christ was was pointing to the Roman Empire. But as for it being about an actual person, well, you have to trace the fate of the “kings of the earth” through the book. Early on, John of Patmos makes clear that they are the worst of the worst of humanity. Indeed, they are the ones arrayed against Christ in the nonbattle of Armageddon. (It really wasn’t a battle at all, it was a capitulation.)

    Anyway, those kings then get tossed into the Lake of Fire with the rest of the world’s terribles, right?
    Nope.

    In Revelation 21:24 “the kings of the earth will bring their glory into (the New Jerusalem, where heaven and earth are one)!” They are part of humanity’s victory parade.

    I shared some thoughts in comment #100

  112. 112.

    jimmiraybob

    Darned, I missed this last night.

    I’ve been aware of this connection for a while – not bad for a heathen agnostic – and have talked to some pretty faithful Christians, including Pastors, and they all feel that Trump embodies the spirit of Anti-Christ as in anti the words of Jesus the Christ.

    How anybody feels that Jesus is their savior and then knows nothing of or ignores his words ranks right up there.  I have memorized the parable of the Good Samaritan and the Beatitudes for when I’m approached by evangelicals.

  113. 113.

    HopefullyNotcassandra

    @Bupalos: maybe people do not understand because other people are deliberately lying to them?

    Perhaps the lack of comprehension is in part caused by our “both sides” MSM, too?

    How can we fix anything when we cannot seem to communicate who caused what, much less why they caused it?

    This is an information war imho

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