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You are here: Home / Open Threads / Excellent Read: ‘Three Wise Judges, One Mad King” by Jay Kuo

Excellent Read: ‘Three Wise Judges, One Mad King” by Jay Kuo

by WaterGirl|  April 23, 20252:05 pm| 58 Comments

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Yesterday, 3 federal judges stepped up to weigh in on King “we can’t give everyone a trial, it would take too long” Trump’s recent abuses of power.

Read the whole article by Jay Kuo,

In Maryland, Judge Paula Xinis is overseeing the Abrego García case.

“That ends now.”

In Maryland, Judge Paula Xinis is overseeing the Abrego García case. She is tasked with implementing the unanimous ruling by the Supreme Court that the government must “facilitate” the return of Abrego García to the U.S. Her efforts have been stymied by Justice Department lawyers who, at least perhaps until yesterday, have refused to provide information about what steps they have taken to secure his release from custody and what they will do to facilitate his return.

Judge Xinis ordered what’s known as “discovery” over why the government won’t simply cooperate. That opened the door for plaintiffs to pose questions, known as “interrogatories,” to the government and to demand production of relevant documents. Among the interrogatories were some quite basic ones…
…
Judge Xinis could barely contain her ire. She wrote in her order,

Defendants—and their counsel—well know that the falsehood lies not in any supposed “premise,” but in their continued mischaracterization of the Supreme Court’s Order. That Order made clear that this Court “properly required the Government to ‘facilitate’ Abrego Garcia’s release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador.”

In New York, Judge Alvin Hellerstein leaned in hard during a contentious hearing on whether to extend his existing hold on the deportation of migrants under the Alien Enemies Act proclamation.

“People are being thrown out…because of their tattoos.”

In New York, Judge Alvin Hellerstein leaned in hard during a contentious hearing on whether to extend his existing hold on the deportation of migrants under the Alien Enemies Act proclamation. That hold has been in place temporarily since April 9.

The backdrop here is important. Since his initial restraining order, the government has admitted that many of the migrants it rendered to the CECOT prison in El Salvador did not have criminal records. Rather, it only suspected they were gang members because of their tattoo markings. There have been several highly publicized cases of innocent people—a soccer player, a barber—being detained and summarily deported to CECOT on their tattoos alone, even when the markings had nothing to do with gang activity.

Judge Hellerstein took the government to task. “This is not a secret court, an inquisition from medieval times. This is the United States of America. People are being thrown out of the country because of their tattoos.” He added that the White House cannot “hire a jail in a foreign country” to subject people “to cruel and unusual punishment not allowable” here.

As for their suspicions of gang membership, the judge was equally firm. “The law is clear: If you are kicking out a person, you give them an opportunity to defend themselves,” the judge said. “You can’t kick someone out by guilt by association.”

Per reporting by the Wall Street Journal on the hearing, Hellerstein criticized the government’s current methods of “notifying” detained migrants that were slated for deportation, saying such notices came too late, needed to be in their native languages instead of only English, and needed to include details about how to obtain counsel. He also raised deep concerns about the treatment of those who had been shackled and sent to CECOT, saying that future detainees ought to be afforded greater protections and more humane treatment.

Judge Hellerstein extended his temporary order into a preliminary injunction while he considers a more permanent one.

In Colorado, Judge Charlotte Sweeney held a hearing in which she expressed grave doubts over the government’s arguments and broad claims of power under the Alien Enemies Act.

“Invasions contemplate military actions.”

In Colorado on Monday, Judge Charlotte Sweeney held a hearing in which she expressed grave doubts over the government’s arguments and broad claims of power under the Alien Enemies Act. At issue was whether she should issue a temporary restraining order covering affected migrants within the state of Colorado.

The backdrop to this case is highly relevant as well. Just two days before the hearing, the Supreme Court ruled in a similar case in Texas that migrants whom the U.S. government was seeking to deport to El Salvador had to remain in the U.S. until further notice.

That SCOTUS order went down like a scene out of a movie. Buses carrying migrants toward planes bound for El Salvador actually turned around just after the 7-2 Supreme Court order came down.

 

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  1. 1.

    Trollhattan

    April 23, 2025 at 2:20 pm

    Oaths of office actually mean something? Zut alors!

    I assume Trump is scheming on how to remove these particular pesky judges.

  2. 2.

    debit

    April 23, 2025 at 2:26 pm

    I realize the wheels of justice grind slow, but I am waiting for something to happen that will wipe the “just try and make us” smirk off Trump’s DOJ.  Maybe start imprisoning them. Start with Bondi.

  3. 3.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    April 23, 2025 at 2:28 pm

    @debit:

    I agree. The one issue is that Trump could pardon them for criminal contempt. Doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be tried if it comes to it

  4. 4.

    oldster

    April 23, 2025 at 2:33 pm

    Thinks for this roundup, WaterGirl!

  5. 5.

    debit

    April 23, 2025 at 2:36 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):  A pardon doesn’t expunge your record. I would be ok with them carrying a record around like a badge of shame.  If only they had shame.

  6. 6.

    Belafon

    April 23, 2025 at 2:37 pm

    @Trollhattan: Johnson is threatening to end all funding.

  7. 7.

    Captain C

    April 23, 2025 at 2:42 pm

    @Belafon: We should endeavor to make sure “Lawless Republicans” is the first thing law-and-order voters think of when they think of Republicans.  The cultists will ignore it, but every little bit chipped off their voter base will help.

  8. 8.

    Trollhattan

    April 23, 2025 at 2:50 pm

    Headline I never imagined I’d see.

    Residents flee as wildfire burns in New Jersey

  9. 9.

    Kristine

    April 23, 2025 at 2:51 pm

    @Belafon: They’re threatening to stop paying the judges?

  10. 10.

    ArchTeryx

    April 23, 2025 at 2:55 pm

    @Kristine: Johnson’s threatening to defund the courts entirely and probably sell off the buildings. Congress does have the power to add or subtract district courts, but defunding them may be a whole different can of worms.

  11. 11.

    Kirk

    April 23, 2025 at 2:57 pm

    That SCOTUS order went down like a scene out of a movie. Buses carrying migrants toward planes bound for El Salvador actually turned around just after the 7-2 Supreme Court order came down.

    Completely exposing the stupidity of Alito’s “we didn’t have to do this in the middle of the night” whine.

  12. 12.

    rikyrah

    April 23, 2025 at 2:57 pm

    AOL.com
    @AOL
    RFK Jr. Says Autism Rates Have Bigger Impact Than COVID ‘Because COVID Killed Old People’
    Source: People

    To read more, click the image below.
    https://x.com/AOL/status/1914110684842905855

  13. 13.

    debit

    April 23, 2025 at 2:58 pm

    @Trollhattan: I hope Garden State Tortoise is not in any danger.  That’s a lot of turtles to move.

  14. 14.

    rikyrah

    April 23, 2025 at 2:59 pm

    A lawyer that I listen to on TikTok said something this week.

    He said, all the bullshyt that the right-wing spouts on TV about Mr. Garcia?

    They haven’t found one lawyer willing to put that shyt in writing in front of a judge. A judge that could hold them responsible, if what they put on paper and sign their names to – is found to be A LIE.

    Not one.

  15. 15.

    sentient ai from the future

    April 23, 2025 at 3:06 pm

    chinga la pinche migra

  16. 16.

    sentient ai from the future

    April 23, 2025 at 3:10 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): I think that if a criminal contempt charge is upheld, and the shitbird pardons people for it, then we have ourselves a situation.

  17. 17.

    gene108

    April 23, 2025 at 3:15 pm

    In the OP link, there is a Trump social media post, where he declares we cannot give due process to the hundreds of thousands of immigrants he wants to deport, because it’d take 200 years.

    The deports hundreds of thousands of people each year, for the past several years, while following the law.

    The constant gaslighting by Republicans needs to be pushed back against.

  18. 18.

    rikyrah

    April 23, 2025 at 3:27 pm

    @gene108:

    Obama was snidely called ‘ the Deporter In Chief’

    and,yet, those folks got due process

  19. 19.

    NotMax

    April 23, 2025 at 3:30 pm

    Wishing Judge Xinis would amend the order to read “facilitate with all deliberate speed.”

  20. 20.

    rikyrah

    April 23, 2025 at 3:33 pm

    Barack Obama (@BarackObama) posted at 11:28 AM on Wed, Apr 23, 2025:
    As an Illinois voter, I couldn’t be prouder that our senator for the last 28 years has been one of the finest in the country. Dick Durbin has always fought the good fight on behalf of working families, and his integrity shines through in everything he does.

    It’s also true that I would not have been a United States Senator – and certainly would not have been President – had it not been for Dick’s support. He has been a great and loyal friend, and Michelle and I wish him and Loretta all the best in their next chapter.
    (https://x.com/BarackObama/status/1915080417876517007?t=lKJrIOBFUiiFEu02PL5axg&s=03)

  21. 21.

    rikyrah

    April 23, 2025 at 3:34 pm

    Christopher Webb (@cwebbonline) posted at 0:39 PM on Wed, Apr 23, 2025:
    You need to watch this.

    Mahmoud Khalil and Rumeysa Ozturk are being held indefinitely—no charges, no due process, no explanation.

    They don’t even know why they’re locked up. That’s not justice or American. https://t.co/LIGyYfzaBz
    (https://x.com/cwebbonline/status/1915098212438069748?t=sInsaTb3SPfltGQlWIyh5g&s=03)

  22. 22.

    WaterGirl

    April 23, 2025 at 3:34 pm

    @NotMax: Maybe they can go with:

    Just fucking get this done.  Now!

  23. 23.

    rikyrah

    April 23, 2025 at 3:35 pm

    Jacob Perry    (@RealJacobPerry) posted at 0:12 PM on Tue, Apr 22, 2025:
    So, if you hadn’t heard, the Desantii (both Ron Ron and Evita) took $10 million from Medicare and directed it to campaign donors, who funneled to Ron Ron’s chosen causes.

    People had better be going to jail. #FlaPol

    https://t.co/2mMlrewDK0
    (https://x.com/RealJacobPerry/status/1914728908924080226?t=AwglmYm6As7vg03GzlEjRQ&s=03)

  24. 24.

    WaterGirl

    April 23, 2025 at 3:38 pm

    @rikyrah: I don’t like to embed Twitter anymore, but I don’t see this anywhere else. Worth a watch, it’s short but powerful.

    You need to watch this.

    Mahmoud Khalil and Rumeysa Ozturk are being held indefinitely—no charges, no due process, no explanation.

    They don’t even know why they’re locked up. That’s not justice or American. pic.twitter.com/LIGyYfzaBz

    — Christopher Webb (@cwebbonline) April 23, 2025

  25. 25.

    rikyrah

    April 23, 2025 at 3:38 pm

    anyone_want_chips (@anyonewantchips) posted at 8:27 PM on Sun, Apr 20, 2025:
    When Lloyd Austin didn’t notify the WH of his hospitalization, Republicans blew a gasket & called for him to resign – but when Pete Hegseth risks the lives of our pilots by sharing sensitive Yemen war plans on Signal, at least twice – where’s the Republican outrage. https://t.co/MICGhXChse
    (https://x.com/anyonewantchips/status/1914128945844265040?t=JBDTygXhUNLOGsxZfQWZpQ&s=03)

  26. 26.

    rikyrah

    April 23, 2025 at 3:39 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Thanks WG

  27. 27.

    NotMax

    April 23, 2025 at 3:40 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    If found in criminal contempt that would rapidly result in disbarment of the license to practice law by the attendant bar association(s).

    A pardon does not expunge the commission of a crime.

    (Mandatory IANAL, so my language here may be imprecise.)

  28. 28.

    SiubhanDuinne

    April 23, 2025 at 3:52 pm

    @gene108:

    it’d take 200 years.

    The “200 years” that the FFOTUS asserts assumes that the “due process” hearings or trials would be held in only one venue, consecutively. I don’t even know if the math is right under that revised assumption, but in point of fact many of these take only a few minutes each; an efficient immigration court could get through quite a few procedures in a day; and of course there would (should) be courts all over the country hearing these cases concurrently.

    Somebody with better arithmetic skills and better knowledge of court calendars can do more accurate back-of-the-napkin calculations than I’m capable of.

  29. 29.

    Omnes Omnibus

    April 23, 2025 at 3:56 pm

    There is always civil contempt.  That’s the “put someone in jail or fine the daily until they comply” form of contempt.  No long term effects, but no pardon either.  It’s a tool judges have to enforce their orders.

  30. 30.

    NotMax

    April 23, 2025 at 3:58 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne

    If the same purported number of millions failed/refused to pay taxes it wouldn’t take a year to re-clear the dockets.

  31. 31.

    They Call Me Noni

    April 23, 2025 at 4:00 pm

    It is unfuckingbelievable the criminality these fools are getting by with.

  32. 32.

    rikyrah

    April 23, 2025 at 4:22 pm

    Sam Stein
    @samstein
    NEW: House Ds who went to El Salvador asked for proof of life for Andry Hernández Romero, the gay 19yr old Venezuelan makeup artist. They didn’t get one. No one’s heard from him since March 14.

    “Everyone is extremely worried,” one told
    @Carrasquillo
    https://x.com/samstein/status/1915061877358444560

  33. 33.

    rikyrah

    April 23, 2025 at 4:22 pm

    My phucks are gone. They left November 6, 2024.

    MAGA Cult Slayer (@MAGACult2) posted at 9:08 AM on Wed, Apr 23, 2025:
    “Do we have one of the best #FAFO stories of the year.” https://t.co/lE4zjfDFj5
    (https://x.com/MAGACult2/status/1915045225661173912?t=XkOAzNlww7FNVNN_6EfIeQ&s=03)

  34. 34.

    jonas

    April 23, 2025 at 4:24 pm

    @Belafon: Can you imagine the five-alarm shitshow that would have ensued if Nancy Pelosi threatened to cancel the funding of any court that made an anti-abortion ruling or something? The mind reels.

  35. 35.

    rikyrah

    April 23, 2025 at 4:25 pm

    Chanteezy Is In Her Rest Era  (@iamchanteezy) posted at 10:41 AM on Wed, Apr 23, 2025:
    Senator Warnock told no lies. The GOP are weaponizing Christianity and saying the Lord’s name in vain for their self gratification. #TheView https://t.co/ORHnQqKzN3
    (https://x.com/iamchanteezy/status/1915068460243013804?t=KPGN_UPM0fTgkGUeIHhd3g&s=03)

  36. 36.

    rikyrah

    April 23, 2025 at 4:31 pm

    Scott MacFarlane
    @MacFarlaneNews
    Sec. Pete Hegseth orders makeup studio installed at Pentagon, per
    @cbsnews
    https://x.com/MacFarlaneNews/status/1915107271300005954

  37. 37.

    JWR

    April 23, 2025 at 4:32 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Speaking of back-of-the-napkin calculations, I wonder if anyone’s been keeping track of the billions upon billions of beautiful tariff dollars poring into the “External Revenue Service”? I’ll bet that’s one agency not hurting for cash! /s

  38. 38.

    They Call Me Noni

    April 23, 2025 at 4:32 pm

    @rikyrah: With or without a bar?

  39. 39.

    Butch

    April 23, 2025 at 4:40 pm

    I have quite a few tattoos and I’m not kidding when I say I wear long sleeves to hide them anytime I’m in public lately.

  40. 40.

    BlueGuitarist

    April 23, 2025 at 4:40 pm

    @rikyrah:
    @WaterGirl:

    youtube: Maddow with Troy Carter
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M9ZcKXe-OQ

  41. 41.

    DanB

    April 23, 2025 at 4:41 pm

    @rikyrah: The story of his arrest is deeply disturbing.  He whimpered as they shaved his head.  I’m sure he felt terrified of what would happen to him in prison.

  42. 42.

    Matt McIrvin

    April 23, 2025 at 4:45 pm

    @rikyrah: It’s a pattern. They say one thing under oath, another thing in front of a camera. Accidentally incarcerated people become terrorists.

  43. 43.

    Matt McIrvin

    April 23, 2025 at 4:48 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Yeah, but who enforces it, and can the administration fuck with that? Someone’s got to actually put you in the pokey.

  44. 44.

    NotMax

    April 23, 2025 at 4:49 pm

    @They Call Me Noni

    Prominent label: “Bay rum. Not for drinking.”
    //

  45. 45.

    Jay

    April 23, 2025 at 4:49 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    https://usafacts.org/answers/how-many-people-were-deported-from-the-us/country/united-states/

    1.1 million were “repatriated” in 2023, a record year, but,

    The Biden Admin was a bit hamstrung by DJTdiot 45’s closure of a lot of Immigration Courts, along with their attending Judges, Lawyers, etc,

    and the Biden Admin kept the key focus on criminals.

    So, DJTdiot’s claims of 200 years are the usual completely made up BS.

    There are only roughly 11 million undocumented immigrants in the US.

  46. 46.

    Matt McIrvin

    April 23, 2025 at 4:52 pm

    @gene108: “Waiting period? But I’m mad now!”

  47. 47.

    Jay

    April 23, 2025 at 4:57 pm

    @Matt McIrvin:

    Traditionally the Marshall of the Court in question, (part of the US Marshall’s Service).

    However, a Judge can deputize any LEO or Member of the Public to make the arrest.

    Courts do have holding cells for holding the accused during the course of the Court’s day. The cellblock is usually under the management of the Court’s Bailiffs.

  48. 48.

    prostratedragon

    April 23, 2025 at 4:59 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Also on BlueSky.

    https://bsky.app/profile/cwebbonline.com/post/3lniq2f37ys2n

  49. 49.

    rikyrah

    April 23, 2025 at 5:02 pm

    Alex Cole (@acnewsitics) posted at 3:41 PM on Wed, Apr 23, 2025:
    BREAKING: Trump will exempt certain carmakers from U.S. tariffs. – Financial Times.

    Trump: Tariffs will make us rich!

    Also Trump: Unless a CEO complains, then never mind lol.

    MAGA got conned again. holy shit! 
    (https://x.com/acnewsitics/status/1915143966082900153?t=8wg5ZgbkrbnmJZBIIJmFGg&s=03)

  50. 50.

    Trollhattan

    April 23, 2025 at 5:09 pm

    @NotMax:

    Ray Bum, drinks it anyway.

  51. 51.

    prostratedragon

    April 23, 2025 at 5:13 pm

    “Slip up” my ass:

    “The wife of Kilmar Abrego Garcia, who was mistakenly deported to El Salvador by the Trump administration, was forced to move to a safe house with her children after the government **posted their home address** to social media.” 4/23/25 https://newrepublic.com/post/194289/abrego-garcia-wife-hiding-dhs-address

  52. 52.

    sab

    April 23, 2025 at 5:31 pm

    @rikyrah: Covid killed babies and pregnant women too.

  53. 53.

    Omnes Omnibus

    April 23, 2025 at 5:37 pm

    @Matt McIrvin: Courts can deputize people.  It does not require the involvement of the DOJ or the Marshal’s Service.  But, fuck it, what do I know?

  54. 54.

    sab

    April 23, 2025 at 5:38 pm

    @Jay: Ohio just had a case dismissed of illegal voting by a guy who was a legal citizen since 1975. State government referred the charges to the Cuyahoga County prosecutor. The defense attorneys had him apply for a passport, which he got. So the judge threw the case out.

    He was born in Jamaica. His mother immigrated with him when he was a child. She married an American and later was naturalized. Under the law in effect that made him, as her minor child, also a citizen. He had been legally voting since he was 18 with no problem. Then our Republicans at the Sec of State and Attorney General’s office got too clever and decided to go after people without researching the law. What a country we are becoming.

  55. 55.

    rikyrah

    April 23, 2025 at 5:47 pm

    Steven Dennis (@StevenTDennis) posted at 0:49 PM on Wed, Apr 23, 2025:
    President Trump will have an “intimate private dinner” with top 220 buyers of his crypto memecoin at his DC-area golf club, the issuers of the token said on their website. The coin skyrocketed on the news, at one point up 49%… https://t.co/lgyNWm9rN7
    (https://x.com/StevenTDennis/status/1915100677602234862?t=GasUS-2kDeXSIy5FRZSPlA&s=03)

    Chris Murphy 🟧 (@ChrisMurphyCT) posted at 3:19 PM on Wed, Apr 23, 2025:
    This isn’t Trump just being Trump. The Trump coin scam is the most brazenly corrupt thing a President has ever done. Not close.
    (https://x.com/ChrisMurphyCT/status/1915138398714753437?t=OmOdrdgfWhGe90cuCAImqQ&s=03)

  56. 56.

    Jay

    April 23, 2025 at 5:58 pm

    @rikyrah:

    The Trump coin scam is the most brazenly corrupt thing a President has ever done. Not close.

    So far,…………………

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfpPArfDTGw

    Obligatory Simpson’s clip.

  57. 57.

    Keninhogtown

    April 24, 2025 at 8:54 am

    Good morning.  I have a legal question that has been bouncing around in my head:  can these Judges assign monetary contempt against the government?  Or put the attorneys in jail for contempt right from court?  I know they lack enforcement, but lock them up!!

  58. 58.

    Paul in KY

    April 24, 2025 at 11:04 am

    @Butch: Good idea!

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