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Overnight Open Thread: Quietly Exploring the Moon

by TaMara|  April 27, 202512:42 am| 46 Comments

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I covered this moon landing in an earlier post, and now Firefly Aerospace’s Blue Ghost has been on the moon since March 2nd. Data is starting to come in. On their YouTube page (here), they have weekly updates.

Seems they are quietly doing science on the moon…

‘We learned so much that we didn’t know’: Firefly Aerospace’s Blue Ghost moon lander mission was full of surprises

By Leonard David

“So there’s so much new discovery that we found and we can pass that forward to other CLPS missions.”

a grey orb dotted with craters seen behind a gold-foil-wrapped rectangular spacecraft hull

Firefly Aerospace’s Blue Ghost lunar lander captured stunning views of the moon after its second lunar orbit maneuver on Feb. 24, 2025. (Image credit: Firefly Aerospace)

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colorado — Lessons learned and on-the-spot surprises from the first fully successful commercial lunar lander mission bolsters the chances of long-term robotic and human operations on the moon.

The Firefly Aerospace Blue Ghost Mission 1 safely touched down on March 2 within the targeted Mare Crisium landing zone. Plopping down on its four landing legs, the spacecraft delivered ten science instruments and technology demonstration gear through the Commercial Lunar Payload Services (CLPS) initiative.

Blue Ghost completed more than 14 days of surface operations during 346 hours of daylight, stretching its lifetime for a little over 5 hours into the super-chilly lunar night.

***

Surprise finding

After landing, Blue Ghost immediately got to work.

Kim spotlighted two payloads, the LISTER drill to probe the moon’s subsurface and the Lunar PlanetVac that successfully collected, transferred, and sorted lunar regolith from the moon using pressurized nitrogen gas. It proved to be a low cost, low mass solution for future robotic sample collection.

LISTER was developed jointly by Texas Tech University and Honeybee Robotics, a Blue Origin company that also provided the Lunar PlanetVac.

The LISTER drill, plowing down an unprecedented three feet instead of a projected 10 feet, “did hit some really hard rock formations,” related Kim, “and that’s the whole discovery. We learned so much that we didn’t know.”

A surprising finding from Blue Ghost was the lunar temperature.

“Nobody has ever done noon operations on the lunar surface. We found out that it’s hotter than expected and modeled.” It actually starts sooner and it lasts longer, Kim said, observing that the temperature swings on the moon “were really, really crazy.”

***

Made in the shade solution

Blue Ghost mission controllers came up with a clever “beat the heat” idea during lunar operations.

When the lander was going through lunar noon and was over-heating, Earth operators wanted to assure radio operations were maintained.

Blue Ghost’s rectangular antenna on the lander’s top deck was gimbaled in such a way as to shade the area in which the radio was contained.

“We’re from Texas so we know about shade,” Kim said. Indeed, that “made in the shade” approach got the radio back into operational configuration.

Blue Ghost’s five-hour sojourn into the lunar night also provided some takeaway messages.

“NASA wanted us to turn on the payloads, so we did, and we actually got some payload data,” Kim said. “The LISTER was the last payload standing. That was pretty spectacular.”

These are just excerpts, the entire article is worth a read here.

 

 

Zander Kitty as a quilt block

I received a surprise gift from QuiltingFool. She took a photo of Zander and turned him into a quilt block and I couldn’t be more touched. I still miss that guy. He’s hanging next to Bixby right now until I decide how I want to display him.

My eyes have really been bothering me this late in the evening, so forgive any typos. I should really be off the screens this late…

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    1. 1.

      moonbat

      April 27, 2025 at 12:56 am

      Thanks, TaMara! This is good and fascinating info,

      Those quilting squares are precious in the old fashioned sense.

      Reply
    2. 2.

      Kristine

      April 27, 2025 at 1:28 am

      Quilting Fool does amazing work.

      Cool moon info. I’ve managed to miss a lot of it.

      I keep Puppies Past photos on the fridge. Doubt I’ll ever take them down.

      Reply
    3. 3.

      NotMax

      April 27, 2025 at 2:04 am

      Better the lunapix from up there than the lunatics from down here.
      //

      Reply
    4. 4.

      AJ of the Mustard Search and Rescue Team

      April 27, 2025 at 2:59 am

      Thanks TaMara, hope you get some good rest when you go to sleep.

      Reply
    5. 5.

      sab

      April 27, 2025 at 3:14 am

      Just saying, without immigration American companies have no Jason Kims (I am guessing he is the child of immigrants.)

      Reply
    6. 6.

      sab

      April 27, 2025 at 3:25 am

      @sab: Missed the edit time limit. I googled his name and there are dozens of Jason Kims in America excelling across the board: arts, science, engineering.

      What is wrong with people (white supremicists)  that they don’t want these other people here, enriching us. Left to the white supremicists we would still be living in caves.

      Reply
    7. 7.

      sab

      April 27, 2025 at 4:06 am

      Very OT: Milwauke judge thing.

      ICE clods coming through totally disrupted local justice and law enforcement. In Milwaukee that day. Across America now.

      Also disrupted any sort of domestic violence enforcement. Had been : Guy you are being too rough and an asshole. Stop or we have bigger guns.

      Now it is : wife if you complain we will deport the prime breadwinner in your family.

      Works for asshole bully male partners. Doesn’t work for anyone else

      ETA Possibly that was the point. Only dads count as people.

      Reply
    8. 8.

      Kayla Rudbek

      April 27, 2025 at 4:12 am

      @sab: the white supremacists would still be running around the woods naked and painting themselves blue, as I would say whenever they try to slag on the Italians (usually followed up with “that’s what all your inbred ancestors were doing while my Italian ancestors were inventing half of ancient Western civilization”)

      Reply
    9. 9.

      Gloria DryGarden

      April 27, 2025 at 4:13 am

      @sab: Left to the white supremacists we would still be living in caves.

      pretty much. That must be what will be great about America pretty soon.
      of course, those supreme beings could go on ahead and start living in caves now..

      Reply
    10. 10.

      Gloria DryGarden

      April 27, 2025 at 4:16 am

      @NotMax: clever!

      Reply
    11. 11.

      sab

      April 27, 2025 at 5:02 am

      @Kayla Rudbek: A lot of what Italians “invented” they borrowed from Iraq and points east.

      Like double entry accounting, so kings and merchants actually know what they have: what they have coming in as revenues and what they have promised out as expenses.

      Middle East and India have had that since forever, but Europe only got it in the Renaissance. It made the Renaissance possible. Beore that they couldn’t afford to do what they did

      ETA I will grant Italians that they saw a good thing and borrowed it and brought it West

      ETA2 We knew that about Italians. Everyone has heard of Marco Polo.

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    12. 12.

      Baud

      April 27, 2025 at 5:09 am

      @sab:

      What is wrong with people (white supremicists) that they don’t want these other people here

       

      When you’re a loser, the last thing you want is to see is more winners.

      Reply
    13. 13.

      Baud

      April 27, 2025 at 5:16 am

      @sab:

      Everyone has heard of Marco Polo.

       
      He invented that popular swimming pool game.

      Reply
    14. 14.

      WTFGhost

      April 27, 2025 at 5:50 am

      Random note: if one’s eyes are bothersome, get some lubricant eye drops. Dry eyes can fool you; sometimes, you need a day or two of frequent lubrication for any hot-spots to cool off.

      Reply
    15. 15.

      Ramalama

      April 27, 2025 at 6:03 am

      A guy asks Reddit where he can safely dig a hole with his friends. The comments made me laugh in bed. The weirdest post I think I ever read.

      Reply
    16. 16.

      Baud

      April 27, 2025 at 6:34 am

      MEGATHREAD: Multiple people killed, injured at Lapu Lapu Day in Vancouver

      Reply
    17. 17.

      lowtechcyclist

      April 27, 2025 at 6:44 am

      @Baud: ​
       

      He invented that popular swimming pool game.

      Indeed! I used to say his name hundreds of times every summer.

      Firefly Aerospace, huh? You can’t take the sky from them.

      Reply
    18. 18.

      Dorothy A. Winsor

      April 27, 2025 at 7:16 am

      @lowtechcyclist: When I saw “Firefly” in the post, I perked up. Then I read further and perked down again.

      Reply
    19. 19.

      Baud

      April 27, 2025 at 7:19 am

      @Dorothy A. Winsor:

      Perking down needs to become a more utilized phrase.

      Reply
    20. 20.

      Ohio Mom

      April 27, 2025 at 7:28 am

      @WTFGhost: Oh yes, I have lubricant eyedrops in my purse and on my nightstand.

      When things start looking blurry I know it’s time to wet my eyes. Could be staring at a screen too long (for some reason, people don’t blink enough in front of a screen), a windy day, or I’m a touch dehydrated.

      I also have some gel drops to use at bedtime and allergy drops for when my eyes get itchy from spring pollen.

      The estrogen blocker I take and my RA make my eyes dry.

      Reply
    21. 21.

      no body no name

      April 27, 2025 at 7:46 am

      @sab:

      Nothing is new.  Nothing in is unique to any one group of people either.  You’d think people would realize that but they don’t.

      Reply
    22. 22.

      rikyrah

      April 27, 2025 at 8:16 am

      Good Morning Everyone 😊 😊 😊

      Reply
    23. 23.

      Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

      April 27, 2025 at 9:30 am

      @rikyrah:

      Good morning

      Reply
    24. 24.

      Matt McIrvin

      April 27, 2025 at 9:58 am

      @Ramalama: This reminds me of a video I saw recently about how a few people die every year by digging a deep hole in wet sand on the beach. It’s easy and fun to start doing; you can get down inside it, but such holes have a tendency to collapse without warning and bury you.

      So all I know is, part of the answer is “don’t do it in sand on the beach”.

      Reply
    25. 25.

      Ramalama

      April 27, 2025 at 10:01 am

      @rikyrah: Good morning!

      @Matt McIrvin: Huh. I did not know this. Good thing those guys are in Western Mass and not on the coast, otherwise the temptation would be too great.

      Reply
    26. 26.

      The Audacity of Krope

      April 27, 2025 at 10:05 am

      At work this morning, I have been to this episode of the Latino USA Podcast detailing the full history if the situation with Kilmar Abrego Garcia including an interview with an immigration lawyer (don’t believe it’s his personally). Very in-depth and well done.

      They publish every week and I have been loving this podcast. Last week was a retrospective on a Colombian(?) musician who died in a plane crash recently.

      Overall, Spotify has been the news content savior I’ve been seeking for at least a decade. I was surprised by Spotify to learn I like NPR and the Financial Times. I’ve found a few credible independent reporting outfits.

      This pleases me.

      Reply
    27. 27.

      Professor Bigfoot

      April 27, 2025 at 10:14 am

      Good morning, all!

      I love what Firefly(heh) are doing, but this headline triggered an obscure earworm.

      Sunny and cool all day, so there’s lawn mowing and such in my future. Can’t tell you how much I’m looking forward to it. :^/

      Reply
    28. 28.

      Kayla Rudbek

      April 27, 2025 at 10:47 am

      @sab: as Eric Flint had one of his characters say in the Belisarius series, Rome took wisdom from the Greeks, the message of Christ from the Jews, and trousers from the Huns, and discarded everything that they must, and that was how Rome and its thousand years had survived and prospered (this was a Greek noblewoman from the Eastern Roman Empire speaking so that’s why she said a thousand years)

      Reply
    29. 29.

      Professor Bigfoot

      April 27, 2025 at 10:52 am

      @Kayla Rudbek: Ah, thank you, there’s another series I need to revisit.

      Although right now I’m in the middle of Harry Turtledove’s “Videssos” series and it’s great fun.

      Reply
    30. 30.

      The Audacity of Krope

      April 27, 2025 at 10:57 am

      @Kayla Rudbek: (this was a Greek noblewoman from the Eastern Roman Empire speaking so that’s why she said a thousand years)

      To hear my elementary education tell it, once the Western Roman Empire fell, nothing happened for the next thousand or so years and that dusty Eastern Roman Empire didn’t beat mentioning 🙄

      Reply
    31. 31.

      sab

      April 27, 2025 at 11:11 am

      @Professor Bigfoot: @Kayla Rudbek:

      Thank you both. I need a new (to me) series to read.

      Reply
    32. 32.

      John Sterling

      April 27, 2025 at 11:12 am

      So is the May 17 get together still on?

      Reply
    33. 33.

      Tony Jay

      April 27, 2025 at 11:12 am

      @The Audacity of Krope:

      It’s plenty ridiculous. Rome hadn’t really been the functional capital of the Empire for a good while when Constantine picked Byzantium as the site of his New Rome, and it was the capital of the actual Roman Empire for much longer than Rome.

        All the richest provinces. All the major trade depots. By the 4th century CE all the hard-nosed generals who turned it from a Principate into a Dominate. All the things that made the Roman Empire an Empire that could survive the barbarian onslaughts, they got from the east. Gibbon might have nailed the crippling effect of monotheistic absolutism, but when it came to his contempt for the ‘Greek Empire’, he can be safely ignored.

        I say all this as someone who is going to Istanbul in a couple of months and is VERY MUCH looking forward to checking out the Roman relics.  

      Reply
    34. 34.

      Dorothy A. Winsor

      April 27, 2025 at 11:17 am

      Happening right now!!

      🔥🏛️ Cory Booker and Hakeem Jeffries are staging a sit-in on the Capitol steps ✊ to protest Trump’s proposed budget cuts — including attacks on Medicaid — and defend democracy! 📢

      Livestreaming here: http://www.youtube.com/live/5ceR90l...[image or embed]— Alt CDC (they/them) (@altcdc.altgov.info) April 27, 2025 at 9:46 AM

      Reply
    35. 35.

      The Audacity of Krope

      April 27, 2025 at 11:17 am

      @Tony Jay: All the richest provinces. All the major trade depots. By the 4th century CE all the hard-nosed generals who turned it from a Principate into a Dominate. All the things that made the Roman Empire an Empire that could survive the barbarian onslaughts, they got from the east.

      I think the issue was that those thriving in the Eastern empire were…a little swarthy.

      Reply
    36. 36.

      sab

      April 27, 2025 at 11:23 am

      @John Sterling: I sure hope so.

      Reply
    37. 37.

      Citizen Alan

      April 27, 2025 at 11:34 am

      @Baud: Or as I recently put it, complaints about DEI and wokeness are nothing more than the whining of entitled, ill-educated and mediocre white people, mostly men, who are incensed about the fact that they are simply not up to the challenge of competing one on a level playing field with  more ambitious and more talented people who would have been treated as second class citizens in earlier eras.

      Reply
    38. 38.

      The Audacity of Krope

      April 27, 2025 at 11:36 am

      @The Audacity of Krope: full history if the situation with Kilmar Abrego Garcia including an interview with an immigration lawyer (don’t believe it’s his personally).

      I just determined she is the director of the Columbia University Law School Immigrant Rights Clinic, Alora Mukherjee.

      Reply
    39. 39.

      The Audacity of Krope

      April 27, 2025 at 11:37 am

      @Citizen Alan:  Or as I recently put it, complaints about DEI and wokeness are nothing more than the whining of entitled, ill-educated and mediocre white people, mostly men

      The latest rebranding exercise in the Republican War on Kindness and Consideration.

      Reply
    40. 40.

      Tony Jay

      April 27, 2025 at 11:45 am

      @The Audacity of Krope:

      To be honest, I think it’s a combination of that, plus it seeming a bit weird to acknowledge the actual Roman Empire existing right through the medieval period and into the start of the Renaissance, plus a hangover from backlash against the Ottoman Sultans claiming to be the successors to the Roman Empire and ruling over much of the same territory.

      Plus, y’know, those bloody Christians. Can’t be a proper Roman Empire if they’re not feeding martyrs to lions, can it?

      Reply
    41. 41.

      The Audacity of Krope

      April 27, 2025 at 11:47 am

      @Tony Jay: Plus, y’know, those bloody Christians. Can’t be a proper Roman Empire if they’re not feeding martyrs to lions, can it?

      To hear those who have appropriated the term “Christian” tell it, they still are. America truly is the inheritor of Rome.

      Reply
    42. 42.

      OldDave

      April 27, 2025 at 12:01 pm

      @Matt McIrvin: Practical Engineering Beach Sand episode: video

      Reply
    43. 43.

      Kayla Rudbek

      April 27, 2025 at 12:26 pm

      @sab: it’s an alternative history SF (spoilers: basically take one of the greatest generals of human history, give him an opponent and a helper from the far, far future so the future of humanity is at stake, field of play runs from the Eastern Mediterranean to Egypt, Ethiopia, Persia, Arabia, and across the Indian Ocean into India and I think what would be modern Afghanistan. China and Southeast Asia get mentioned although not being major battlefields).

      Reply
    44. 44.

      Kayla Rudbek

      April 27, 2025 at 12:28 pm

      @Tony Jay: yeah, that was initially a thing that threw me slightly off, was that these Greek-speaking people were all running around considering themselves as Romans, but Irene’s speech really drove home the point that yes, she did think of herself as a Roman, all the way back to the she-wolf who nursed Romulus and Remus.

      Reply
    45. 45.

      Kayla Rudbek

      April 27, 2025 at 12:30 pm

      @Citizen Alan: “lord give me the self-confidence of a mediocre white man” is something that I wish I could teach to all potential inventors

      Reply
    46. 46.

      Ramalama

      April 27, 2025 at 12:57 pm

      @Professor Bigfoot: Oh boy, what ear candy was that?

      It snowed this morning. No nothing to my lawn.

      Reply

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