Cole is on the road today. I think!
A little musical accompaniment to a wide open thread. I want to credit the person who sent this video to me with a note that says “Music for Our Times” but I’m not sure if the name he used is his name or his nym. Not risking putting up a real name.
Update: h/t realbtl
schrodingers_cat
Happy Birthday to my birth state of Maharashtra. Formed in 1960 with Mumbai as its capital.
Literal translation of Maharashtra == Great Nation
Both Gujarat and Maharashtra claimed Mumbai. Maharashtra and Gujarat made up the Bombay Presidency. It was a bloody and long struggle to get statehood for Maharashtra along with Mumbai as its capital.
prostratedragon
@schrodingers_cat: Felicitations!
Rusty
It’s a weird week. Tuesday, I found out my former pastor and her family were visited that morning by 4 plain clothes members of Homeland Security. They came to speak to her husband about some online posts. I know him and I see his FB posts, so I have a good sense of what he writes. It’s thoughtful, progressive and opposed to Trump, but never threatening. He told the agents he asserted his 5th amendment rights and they left. It freaked out their elementary aged kids. 4 agents, at 8 in the morning when they were getting the kids ready was intended to intimidate them. They got a lawyer and even contacted their congressman. The lawyer thinks they are unlikely to return, but it is so crazy. These are people I know well (a minister and a librarian, hardly threatening), US citizens, but still subject to harassment. It all feels crazy.
Old Dan and Little Ann
There is railroad bridge near our house that I’ve been passing under for as far as I can remember. When I was 5 I could read the painted white graffiti, “NO DRAFT” with a peace sign next to it. This was @1980. It’s still there but badly worn and faded. Whelp, I just drove under it earlier today and on the opposite side, in big, bright white letters, NO KINGS. It made my day.
prostratedragon
So… the guy that wants a military parade for his birthday fired a bunch of veterans, cut the healthcare programs they rely on, and is now going to throw them out of their homes. Do I have that right?
schrodingers_cat
@prostratedragon: Thanks.
Professor Bigfoot
@schrodingers_cat: Joy of the day to Maharashtra!
Omnes Omnibus
My dad’s younger/only sister passed away yesterday. She was 78. She had been dealing with Lewy Body Dementia and Parkinson’s for several year. When I was a small child, she was the coolest aunt on earth. She and her boyfriend took me to all night drive-in showings of Woody Allen movies and to see the original Dirty Harry in the theater. That was the summer I turned eight. While that explains a lot about me, I will miss her. My dad didn’t say much, but I am sure that losing a younger sibling is a wrench.
Rusty
@Omnes Omnibus: I sorry for the loss of your aunt, she sounds wonderful. Prayers for your dad too.
prostratedragon
Was there more optimism in the early ’70s? Or is something in the air once again?
Jay
@Omnes Omnibus:
I am sorry for your loss, but she will live forever in your memories of her.
Spanky
@prostratedragon:
Yeah, I’ve been out of the loop all day and just caught the AP article.
Such a fanboi of Li’l Kim.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Spanky: A parade for Donny’s birthday. Not something related to the nation. His personal birthday.
Jackie
@Omnes Omnibus: Sorry for your loss, Omnes. Your aunt sounds like one in a million! Remember all the fun times.
Spanky
@prostratedragon: Optimism in the early 70s? I graduated high school in ’72 with the likelyhood of being drafted and sent to Nam. College and a draft number in the 180s saved me.
The war and the recent memory of the summer of ’68 (eta and Kent State) took the optimism out of most of us.
schrodingers_cat
@Omnes Omnibus: I am sorry for your loss. This last year has been a year of loss for me. Its been hard. So I have some idea what you must be going through.
Spanky
@Omnes Omnibus: Condolences on your loss of a special aunt. It sounds like her memory has always been a blessing.
They Call Me Noni
@prostratedragon: Yup. His fever dream will finally be a reality.
brendancalling
Just saw DEVO for the first time. Great show.
zhena gogolia
@Rusty: Ugh, ugh, ugh
WaterGirl
@Rusty: Holy shit, that’s terrifying. As intended!
WaterGirl
@Old Dan and Little Ann: Your story just made my day!
prostratedragon
@Omnes Omnibus: My condolences to you and family. It’s hard losing a cool aunt and an only sister, I know, but the memories remain.
Steve in the ATL
@brendancalling: “Gut Feeling” came up on my Spotify shuffle. They don’t get nearly enough credit musically.
prostratedragon
@Spanky: College class of ’73. Said with considerable irony, and the realization that if true, then we’re in deep stew now.
Old School
@Omnes Omnibus: My condolences to you and your family.
RevRick
@Omnes Omnibus: May the Source of all comfort comfort you, your dad and the family in this time of grief.
RevRick
@Rusty: Feels crazy? It is crazy. And malevolent. And terrifying.
Marc
I graduated high school in ’72, too, but I paid attention to the draft lottery rules and noticed they stopped calling guys up after the ’52 birth year, so in truth I missed getting drafted by two years.
brendancalling
@Steve in the ATL: they did that one. When they introduced “Jocko Homo,” they asked the audience if we believe in de-evolution, and added “it’s kind of hard not to these days.”
Omnes Omnibus
Thank you all.
prostratedragon
Esrlier today, in France.
Lyrebird
@Omnes Omnibus: Lifting you up and your dad too. Very sorry – I hope there is lots of support around for them and for you.
Albatrossity
@prostratedragon: I graduated from college in 1972, with a draft lottery number that was high enough that I was not drafted, but low enough that it was certainly possible that my (rural) draft board would get to it. After that presidential election (Nixon reelected with 60% of the vote), optimism was in short supply. But the Watergate hearings and subsequent purging of that odious pustule from the White House did start to give me some hope.
I don’t think we can get there anytime soon because that purge required Republican senators and congresscritters to put country over party. And they did. I see no way that such a thing will happen with the current GOP. A party full of lunatics, and a full-time lunatic propaganda machine disguised as a news network, are the two biggest differences between then and now.
And that does not make me think about optimism anytime soon. I’d love to be wrong about that, for sure.
TS
@Spanky: And no doubt the party that is trusted to be economically wise will approve the expenditure
eclare
DVR alert: JB Pritzker will be on Kimmel tonight.
The Audacity of Krope
Hmm, I was under the impression that the federal government didn’t maintain a standing army until the early 20th century.
eclare
@Rusty:
Holy shit!
H.E.Wolf
@Omnes Omnibus:
@schrodingers_cat:
Sympathies to Omnes, and renewed sympathies to s_cat. I appreciate the acquaintance with your beloved kinfolk through your comments here.
eclare
@Omnes Omnibus:
Oh I’m so sorry. Cool aunts are a treasure, I had one too.
Melancholy Jaques
@Omnes Omnibus:
Sorry for your loss. LBD took my father; it’s damn hard thing.
The Audacity of Krope
@The Audacity of Krope: Weird, I edited but it seems not to have worked then locked me out.
Turns out it simply wasn’t a large standing army. It was dramatically reduced in size during any peacetime.
HopefullyNotcassandra
@schrodingers_cat: heartfelt birthday wishes to Maharastra !
The Audacity of Krope
@Omnes Omnibus: I’m sorry for you. And that was a lovely memory you shared.
Jay
@The Audacity of Krope:
The Continental Army was created on 14 June 1775 by the Second Continental Congress[26] as a unified army for the colonies to fight Great Britain, with George Washington appointed as its commander.[4][27][28][29] The army was initially led by men who had served in the British Army or colonial militias and who brought much of British military heritage with them. As the Revolutionary War progressed, French aid, resources, and military thinking helped shape the new army. A number of European soldiers came on their own to help, such as Friedrich Wilhelm von Steuben, who taught Prussian Army tactics and organizational skills.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army
HopefullyNotcassandra
@Rusty: that is awful.
Layer8Problem
@Omnes Omnibus: A painful sad thing. I’m so very sorry for you and your dad’s loss.
Old Dan and Little Ann
@WaterGirl: The best part is I was taking my daughter to dance and she wanted to to know what it meant. Since we discuss politics frequently and she recently finished her SS unit on The Revolutionary War, it made perfect sense to her. I’m going to point it out to her every single time we go under that bridge!
Jackie
@eclare:
This is in the back of my mind every day. FFOTUS would round us all up given the chance.
It’s today’s reality. But I’m not shutting up.
HopefullyNotcassandra
@prostratedragon: yes. You do need to add he is firing their competent leadership to replace those with lickspittle nincompoops.
Steve in the ATL
@Omnes Omnibus: sorry to hear that. BTW I hope it was the funny Woody Allen movies and not the tedious ones.
NotMax
@Spanky
Not to mention the cost of painting all that ordnance gold.
Kayla Rudbek
@Omnes Omnibus: so sorry for your and your family’s loss. I hope that my nephews remember me someday with as much love as you are remembering her.
eclare
@Jackie:
In baseball terms, I’m goin’ down swingin’.
Mr. Bemused Senior
@Omnes Omnibus: @eclare:
Theo Waitley, upon meeting Kareen yos’Phelium for the first time:
My condolences and best wishes.
HopefullyNotcassandra
@Omnes Omnibus: I am sorry for your loss. If your father is up for it and a talker, give him a call or visit and let him reminisce for as long as he wants. I have so many questions and I failed to ask them when the people who could answer them were still here.
pieceofpeace
@Omnes Omnibus: What tender, warm memories made for an 8-year-old boy’s summer. A good read this warm evening in CA.
Layer8Problem
@Steve in the ATL: I loved the way “Gut Feeling” opened, then just built and built into all that mass of frenetic. Excellent song.
HopefullyNotcassandra
@Spanky: don’t forget our roads are not graded for tanks. Ergo, cost estimates must include the complete rebuild of the resulting rutted roadway
Tom Levenson
@Omnes Omnibus: So sorry to hear this.
May her memory be a blessing.
prostratedragon
@Rusty and all:
Homeland Security* advisor Ripper:
____
* Like many here, I suspected we were in deep trouble when I heard that name.
HopefullyNotcassandra
@prostratedragon: awesome
eclare
For all Prince fans, and who isn’t?, I discovered this today
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP86dvDDR/
Old School
Sure Lurkalot
@Omnes Omnibus: Your aunt was wonderful! I had an uncle like her…took me to see From Russia With Love and Dr. No when I was about 8. He had one heart attack, fatal, at 50. I was devastated.
My sincere sympathies to you and your family and all who loved your dear aunt.
The Audacity of Krope
*Not the United States of America as it exists, but a shining white mythical America
RevRick
In the weep for your country category, I just finished watching clips of Harry Enten revealing the details of the latest CNN poll.
In a hypothetical replay of the 2024 election, Trump beats Harris 45-43
In who offers better solutions on immigration and the economy, Congressional Republicans have a +19% advantage over Democrats on immigration, and a +9% advantage on the economy.
Let’s pray that Trump hangs on to his tariffs long enough to drive our economy into a Depression.
prostratedragon
@eclare: After party, eh? Some kids have all the fun.
eclare
@prostratedragon:
I know!
Matt McIrvin
@brendancalling: Bringing the whole thread together: Mothersbaugh, Casale and Lewis were all students at Kent State when the shootings happened, and cite the horror of it as one of the things that produced Devo. They had a reputation for being this sort of puzzling novelty act but I think that in the early years, at least, they were one of the angriest bands in the world.
Jackie
@eclare:
You betcha!
jonas
@prostratedragon: I always think X thing he did to shit on vets *this time* will be the last straw and they’ll finally realize they’ve been had. But no, it seems a hearty majority of active service and military vets are still willing to line up to let Trump knee them in the groin…yet again.
Steve Crickmore
@prostratedragon: Fifty-five years ago today, May 1, 1970 I was at the Black Panther/ anti-war May day rally on the New Haven Green, along with half of Yale’s campus. Hillary Rodham, a law school student helped release several student protestors from jail, arrested by the National Guard who entered the campus courtyards to arrest protesting sitdown students. Yes, there was definitely something different in the air. It was my first experience with tear gas. I assume it was Bill’s and Hillary’s, too.
laura
@Omnes Omnibus: Aunts and Uncles are such unsung everyday family saints (and sinners). I wish you and your dad comfort as you grieve this loss.
Jackie
@The Audacity of Krope: As my dad always said, “‘America’ is comprised of North, Central, and South America. The USA is but a part of AMERICA.”
My Dad was a wise man.
laura
@Steve in the ATL: hope it was the funny Woody Allen movies and not the tedious ones.
I have a gub.
prostratedragon
Not a gangster:
She’s been clean since those long-ago days, and is now main caregiver to a son who has an illness.
From the comments:
Sure Lurkalot
@brendancalling: I saw Devo in the 80’s…it was in a smallish auditorium on a snowy night. It was so loud, once outside in the silence of the storm, it was actually painful, but it was fantastic.
Supposed video: https://youtu.be/fl-9T3K4vqY?si=9-Ehynvaulv3mW_D
prostratedragon
Everyone on the count of three …
Awwwwwwww!
HopefullyNotcassandra
I grew up with the Woody Guthrie version. This one rocks.
All these fascists are bound to lose!
Jackie
YAY Justice Ketanji Brown-Jackson!!!
She speaks TRUTH
stinger
@Omnes Omnibus: Sincerest condolences. 78 seems too young. My only remaining aunt was always my favorite, and I’ll be devastated when she goes.
Armadillo
I love this song. Version by Rhiannon Giddens and the Resistance Revival Chorus:
https://youtu.be/dWUa7aAIfLE?si=T7XSjUV7DNXTSAs9
Miss Bianca
@Omnes Omnibus: Oh, man, I am so sorry to hear this. My condolences. Sounds like she was a really great person.
I have lost two of my older siblings, and my younger brother (he’s the youngest) is in a nursing home as a result of a massive stroke last year, and he’s had seizures that have put him in the hospital since, so I can attest…it’s hard enough to lose older siblings, but even the *thought* of losing my younger sibling has been a proper freak out.
So yeah…I’m betting your dad is going through some stuff.
Jackie
Food for thought:
I don’t know if her numbers are 100% accurate, but her point is the FFOTUS administration is saving the US money, exactly HOW?
Sister Golden Bear
@prostratedragon: So he’s is pissing off a cohort of people with weapons training, a number of whom have real-life experience using them, and either have guns or can get them, some of whom have anger issues and/or PSTD.
It’s a bold move Trumpie, let’s see if it pays off.
Sister Golden Bear
@Omnes Omnibus: My condolences to you, your father, and the rest of your family.
Jackie
@Armadillo: Excellent! And a song definitely worth reviving.
Omnes Omnibus
@Steve in the ATL: I was 7 or 8. Staying up all night at a drive in was the important thing. And candy.
frosty
@Omnes Omnibus: My condolences on the loss of your cool aunt. You’re right about it being hard on your father. Ms F lost both her older and younger siblings within the same year or so and she grieved for four years.
frosty
@Albatrossity: My lottery number was 34 and I was a year behind you so I got lucky when the draft ended during my senior year.
@prostratedragon: I don’t recall any optimism in the early 70s. Nixon’s resignation was about it. But the Moratorium, Kent State, the lingering effects of ’68 (Chicago, Paris, Prague, RFK, MLK). Nope. Not optimistic.
Matt McIrvin
@RevRick: A replay of the 2024 election is not actually an indication of anything that will happen, since Harris is never going to run again and Trump running again would be a constitutional crisis in itself. And whenever you ask about generic Democrats and Republicans instead of specific people, you invite people to project all kinds of lazy generalizations.
I honestly don’t care much at this point whether growing dissatisfaction with Trump translates to approval for current Democrats: usually, when there’s a real political sea change it has to do with new figures coming on the national scene, and I don’t think we’ve really met the next leaders of the anti-fascist opposition. We won’t for a while.
prostratedragon
@Matt McIrvin: Don’t think we can afford to wait.
smike
@eclare: In baseball terms, I’m goin’ down swingin’.
Even though I am somewhat of a baseball fan (pros, Astros), I’ve always associated that phrase with boxing (of which I am not a fan).
Ruckus
@Omnes Omnibus:
Sorry about your loss.
This getting old stuff does get old – no pun intended. My dad lived a bit longer – but had Alzheimer’s. Couldn’t form words his last 5 years. The five years prior to the last 5 he couldn’t always form the sentences he wanted. I’m not much younger than your aunt and seeing the world a bit differently now than for many decades. And I’m the only one left in my family of 5 and I’m the oldest in the extended family, and I was the youngest in mine. Oldest sister passed in the hospital, cancer, I was the last one to talk to her, said she had to sleep and the doctor told us she passed about a minute or two after she told me she wanted to sleep and I walked out. Life is what you get, had a cousin that made 6 months, mom lived to 94 and 364 days.
My point is that life has a beginning a middle and an end. And it can be wildly different for everyone. And it often doesn’t matter if you are good, indifferent or pure crap. You get the life you get. I’ve been hit by a pickup truck literally head on. Fortunately wearing a motorcycle helmet and we were both going slowly and this was after a coyote ran out in front of me and took out my front wheel. The coyote was fine…. picked up the motorcycle and rode up the street to home.
We often don’t get the life we wanted (or thought we wanted!) but we get the one we get. Make the best of it while you can, even if we get more – this is the one you’ve got. The best life is one you live and do your best not to be an ass or hurt others.
Once again sorry about your family loss.
NotMax
@frosty
But – but – disco.
//
Ruckus
@Spanky:
Graduated in 67, took my draft physical in 68, my lottery number was in the 90s, joined the USN in 69 because I couldn’t take one more day of coming home dreading to see that envelope. Good times.
Ruckus
@prostratedragon:
We can’t.
But what can you do to change it? We have power in numbers but not nearly the power that is sometimes needed. Like now. Our power in this country is mostly in elections. Can we do more? Contact your reps and senators. Our power is in elections and in our reps and senators. We can march, we can show the power of the numbers, we can show our reps and senators that we mean business but the current White House occupant is ………… (insert your remarks here)
Ruckus
@Albatrossity:
It won’t be huge but there is a segment of the conservative side of the legislature that is seemingly getting less and less desirable of what shitforbrains is doing. And some of them are doing so in public. They want conservatism but some of them also want a government that actually works. If you’ve got one of those, the ones in the government that believes in the government working for ALL the citizens, and often, even if they don’t see eye to eye with the left side of the aisle, they will take notice and see the horror of what the far right – in this case, the shitforbrains supporting segment wants and disagree with that. It’s happened before, it can happen again.
Divadias
@HopefullyNotcassandra:
Thanks for the attribution to Woody. Billy was given rights by the Guthrie family several years ago, for this version. Too bad he didn’t record “Old Man Trump.” Here it is performed by Arlo’s ex-son in law, Johnny Irion.
https://youtu.be/YVQMqHfAia0?si=fGnlVy4APkecbtB7
sab
@Ruckus: My dad joined the Navy in 1942 because he figured that if they had to build a ship at least they would have time to train the crew ( including him.) Instead they sent him to college and med school.
ETA The Army tried to do the same thing, but gave up and instead pulled all their young barely trained medical officers out of school and sent them (barely trained) as officers into the Battle of the Bulge. Very few survived.
sab
@Omnes Omnibus: Almost everyone has an aunt. Not everyone has an aunt who made such an impression.
You both were blessed to have known each other.
Mr. Mack
Common stock, we work around the clock.
brantl
@frosty: Those were tough years (I was going to school with a gleefull Nixon-supporting Nazi, though I got the last laugh with Nixon leaving in disgrace.).
Planetjanet
@Omnes Omnibus: So sorry for your loss. Hold onto those memories for comfort. She sounds wonderful.