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Is it negotiation when the other party actually wants to shoot the hostage?

The press swings at every pitch, we don’t have to.

They traffic in fear. it is their only currency. if we are fearful, they are winning.

Balloon Juice, where there is always someone who will say you’re doing it wrong.

When I was faster i was always behind.

He really is that stupid.

Something needs to be done about our bogus SCOTUS.

Cancel the cowardly Times and Post and set up an equivalent monthly donation to ProPublica.

Today in our ongoing national embarrassment…

Nothing worth doing is easy.

We can’t confuse what’s necessary to win elections with the policies that we want to implement when we do.

“In the future, this lab will be a museum. do not touch it.”

But frankly mr. cole, I’ll be happier when you get back to telling us to go fuck ourselves.

I would try pessimism, but it probably wouldn’t work.

Dumb motherfuckers cannot understand a consequence that most 4 year olds have fully sorted out.

Not so fun when the rabbit gets the gun, is it?

The worst democrat is better than the best republican.

Trump should be leading, not lying.

Come on, man.

It’s a good piece. click on over. but then come back!!

Wow, you are pre-disappointed. How surprising.

One way or another, he’s a liar.

You passed on an opportunity to be offended? What are you even doing here?

Every one of the “Roberts Six” lied to get on the court.

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Here’s some GOOD breaking news: a federal judge ordered the immediate release of kidnapped Tufts scholar Rümeysa Öztürk. From CBS News:

Washington — A federal judge on Friday ordered Rumeysa Ozturk, a Tufts doctoral candidate, to be immediately released from immigration custody on bail as she pursues a challenge to her detention by immigration authorities after the Trump administration revoked her student visa.

U.S. District Judge William Sessions, who is presiding over the case, said at the conclusion of Friday’s bail hearing that Ozturk raised “very substantial” and “very significant” claims that her First Amendment and due process rights were violated when she was taken into custody following the revocation of her student visa in March.

“Her continued detention cannot stand,” he said.

Öztürk was abducted in Somerville, Massachusetts about six weeks ago, illegally moved to an immigration jail in Louisiana and held in squalid, overcrowded conditions that threatened her health. She’s to be released on her own recognizance and with no travel restrictions.

Judge Sessions called the basis for Öztürk’s detention, that she is a flight risk and danger to the community, “untenable.” He also said the case raised substantial First Amendment issues.

The Trump administration has said that the underlying justification for taking Ozturk’s student visa away rested on an opinion piece she co-authored in the Tufts student newspaper last year about Israel’s war with Hamas. But Sessions said Ozturk “simply and purely” was detained for “the expression she made or shared in the op-ed.”

“There has been no evidence that has been introduced by the government other than the op-ed. I mean, that literally is the case,” Sessions said. “There is no evidence here as the motivation absent the consideration of the op-ed.”

I hope it’s possible for Öztürk to sue the shit out of DHS. This was always a bullshit charge designed to intimidate noncitizen residents.

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    1. 1.

      trollhattan

      Another federal judge for Trump to ignore, then.

      Meanwhile, Roger Stone is back to threatening senators. Mark Kelly:

      Trump’s longtime political advisor, Roger Stone, just called for me to be charged with treason and executed.

      You heard me right.

      I called out Trump for his blatant corruption — making millions of dollars from his own crypto coins — and I co-sponsored a bill to make it illegal for the President, the Vice President, administration officials, and members of Congress to do the same.

      In response, they sent Roger Stone after me.

      When I joined the Navy, I swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution. I did it again when I was sworn in as Arizona’s United States Senator. I will continue to uphold that oath, and because it matters to our democracy, I will do everything I can to stop the blatant corruption in Washington.

      Reply
    5. 5.

      tobie

      This is unalloyed good news. What a disgrace that unidentified, masked agents simply picked her up off the street and threw her into a prison in Louisiana. Hard to imagine how traumatizing such an injustice is.

      Reply
    8. 8.

      Steve LaBonne

      @tobie: The line that someone they want to deport had to be imprisoned because they were a flight risk would be hilarious if this weren’t so sickeningly serious.

      Reply
    9. 9.

      rikyrah

      Öztürk was abducted in Somerville, Massachusetts about six weeks ago, illegally moved to an immigration jail in Louisiana and held in squalid, overcrowded conditions that threatened her health. She’s to be released on her own recognizance and with no travel restrictions.

       

      ABDUCTED

      ABDUCTED

      ABDUCTED

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    10. 10.

      cope

      The tiny, flickering hope that has kept me sane these past few months was thinking that everything everywhere happening  all at once was not sustainable. That flickering hope just brightened a couple of lumens.

      Reply
    13. 13.

      Steve LaBonne

      @cope: I don’t believe they will be able to establish a durable Orbán-style regime. But the damage they leave behind will be catastrophic and irreparable so my optimism is very pallid.

      Reply
    14. 14.

      eclare

      Yay for her!  What a disgrace for this country.  The video of her being kidnapped was chilling.

      Reply
    15. 15.

      trollhattan

      @Spanky: ​
      Convicted Stone got one pardon from Trump but that can’t cover felonies committed after 2020. And there have been a bunch. This, as an example, from Jan 2024.

      The US Capitol Police have opened an investigation into conservative political operative Roger Stone, who was caught on tape allegedly threatening to assassinate two House Democrats.

      Last week, the website Mediaite published an audio recording of the comments, which were made just weeks ahead of the 2020 presidential showdown between Donald Trump and Joe Biden.

      In the conversation, Stone and former NYPD officer Sal Greco speak about Congressman Jerry Nadler and Eric Swalwell.

      Mediaite claimed the recording was taken at the Caffe Europa in Fort Lauderdale.

      In it, Stone is allegedly heard saying to Greco ‘let’s go find Swalwell and get this over with.’

      ‘It’s time to do it, then we’ll see how brave the rest of them are,’ the voice continues.

      ‘Either Swalwell or Nadler has to die before the election. They need to get the message. I’m just not putting up with this s*** anymore.’

      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12970965/Roger-Stone-Donald-Trump-Capitol-Police-Jerry-Nadler-Eric-Swalwell-assasination.html

      Fake tough guy just takes that one neck punch to fold like typing paper.

      Reply
    17. 17.

      trollhattan

      Does Donny know they’re dissing our hamberders in the UK?

      The government has insisted that American hormone-treated meat will not start to seep into the UK market, following the tariff deal agreed this week that boosts the trade in beef in both directions.
      Some farmers and consumers have expressed fears that the deal could open the door to beef from cattle raised using hormones to boost their growth.
      However, the government said certification procedures and border checks would ensure hormone-reared beef would not enter the UK.
      The National Farmers’ Union said it was asking the government to provide more details on how checks would work to ensure safety standards were maintained.

      “The rules on food standards have not changed and they will not change as a result of the deal,” said Chief Secretary to the Treasury Darren Jones.
      He added that the agencies responsible for border safety checks would be able to test meat for traces of hormone with “consequences” for anyone breaking the law.
      But Ian McCubbine, a beef farmer in Surrey, said he was concerned about the prospect of more American-grown beef coming into the UK.
      “How do we know what they are putting in?” he said, speaking to the BBC’s Today programme.
      “We spent 50 years building an industry that is strong on environmental gain and animal welfare.
      “The concern is that the US [beef imports] could be of lower quality.”
      The UK stopped allowing hormone-produced beef in 1989, when the practice was banned across the EU after it declared it unsafe.

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    18. 18.

      Steve LaBonne

      @Baud: If enough voters can’t finally figure out by then how destructive that cycle is, we will be well and truly doomed beyond even the rubble that Trump will leave behind. And on this too, I struggle to feel any optimism. We may simply be hitting our sell-by date as a nation.

      Reply
    19. 19.

      Old Man Shadow

      @Baud: In all honesty, American voters seem to be stupid enough to be like “FIX EVERYTHING NOW! NOW! NOW!” to the next Democratic president and then when everything isn’t fixed be like, “Donald Trump Jr.? Huh… well, the old Donald Trump didn’t work out, but maybe this Donald Trump will!”

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    20. 20.

      Spanky

      Back to the post title, is there any indication that the administration is following this court order and actually releasing her? That would be a first, if I’m not mistaken (and probably am).

      Reply
    23. 23.

      Geminid

      @eclare: Yeah, the video was really bad. There’s a Turkish guy I talk to sometimes on Twitter, an engineer named Bora Bingol. I asked him about the Ozturk case; he said the video went all over Turkiye and people there were pretty hot about it.

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    24. 24.

      oldgold

      Our treatment of visitors, like Rümeysa Öztürk, is not looking to be any better going forward.

      VP Vance on May 6th said this about people that will be visiting for the FIFA World Cup next summer.

      “We’re thrilled to have the FIFA World Cup in the United States of America. I think that you’ll see the very best of the United States of America, both in athletic competition, but also, in hospitality — something our boss knows quite a bit about…. Of course, everyone is welcome to come and see this incredible event…. I know we’ll have visitors from close to 100 countries. We want them to come, we want them to celebrate, we want them to watch the game. But when the time is up, they’ll have to go home; otherwise, they’ll have to talk to Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem.”

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    25. 25.

      Suzanne

      Fantastic news. I hope she sues and wins enough in damages to lounge on a yacht for the rest of her life.

      Reply
    26. 26.

      Gretchen

      I don’t understand why there isn’t more outrage about masked, ununiformed, unidentified men doing these arrests? Why are they hiding their faces, and why is this allowed? That ought to invalidate these arrests right from the start.

      That, and the lack of warrants. And when they’re challenged on that, they just say “we don’t need no stinking warrants!”

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    28. 28.

      trollhattan

      @Gretchen:

      Strong echoes of Trump 1.0 and the anonymous Free Candy vans full of non-uniformed dudes snatching protestors from the Portland streets, during the protests. No consequences then, none today.

      Reply
    30. 30.

      bbleh

      Female, Muslim, and an academic: it’s a MAGA three-fer!

      Pure kulturkampf, with extra points for outright bullying.

      They really are the worst people.  Just depraved

      @cmorenc: @trollhattan: given the glacial pace with which they are capable of “moving” when they feel like it, not to mention their propensity to “administrative error,” I wouldn’t expect it soon.  One trusts her lawyers are all over it.

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    31. 31.

      trollhattan

      Meanwhile, feel the safety becoming even safer.

      The Democratic members of an independent agency dedicated to protecting Americans from dangerous products and issuing recalls and safety warnings were fired by President Trump via an overnight email.

      It’s the latest instance of Trump seeking to replace high-ranking officials at independent federal agencies — efforts that have drawn legal challenges.

      These firings come as consumer protection groups and lawmakers warn that Trump may be attempting to dismantle the entire Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC).

      Congressional Democrats and Sen. Bernie Sanders, an independent from Vermont, issued a letter Friday condemning purported plans by Office of Management and Budget Director Russell Vought to eliminate the agency and to absorb its functions and staff into what the lawmakers describe as a “currently nonexistent staff division within the Department of Health and Human Services.”

      It’s unclear if the Trump administration would pursue such a plan. The White House didn’t immediately respond to NPR’s request for comment, but when asked about changes at the CPSC during her press briefing Friday, Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt said the president “has the right to fire people within the executive branch.”

      Reply
    32. 32.

      cmorenc

      @trollhattan: My concern is that IIRC, perhaps it was in the SCOTUS decsision ordering the Trump Administration to “facilitate” Garcia’s return, that Habeas petitions and the like needed to be filed in the proper venue, and Judge Sessions, who issued the order, is from Vermont (presumably he ruled as an official of the Massachussetts district)?  Stay tuned to whether AG Bondi and the current US Attorney for Louisiana (where Ozturn was being held) might balk at following Sessions’ order because of venue (which ought to extend to where a detainee was abducted, not just where they are held, but I don’t recall whether SCOTUS clarified that point of which venue is the correct one.

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    33. 33.

      No One of Consequence

      Good news for this young lady. I am pleased to hear of this. I expect her lawsuit will be rather easy to process. That is, if the Government agrees to allow itself to be sued in this matter. Given the current management, I have my doubts.

      -NOoC

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    36. 36.

      Redshift

      @trollhattan:

      Does Donny know they’re dissing our hamberders in the UK?

      He’s complained about it before, so yeah, he knows. He probably doesn’t have the attention span to remember to get it included in the “deal,” though.

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    38. 38.

      OGLiberal

      @Gretchen: i have a wife and son who are immunocompromised and a daughter with a neurological condition that, thankfully, has not show any signs yet, but can be impacted by Covid.  All are conditions that never, ever go away, absent some medical miracle.  We mask whenever we leave the house.  We got lax a few years ago and it was not pretty for my wife and son.  Governor Hochul in NY would like  to throw us in jail for wearing the masks but the ICE Gestapo can wear masks to illegally abduct legal residents.  Bizzaro fucking world.

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    39. 39.

      trollhattan

      This should be fun.

      Mexico is suing Google for ignoring repeated requests not to call the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of America on Google Maps for US users, President Claudia Sheinbaum says. She did not say where the lawsuit had been filed. Google did not respond to the BBC’s request for comment.

      On Thursday, the Republican-led House of Representatives voted to officially rename the Gulf for federal agencies.

      President Donald Trump signed an executive order on his first day in office in January. He argued the change was justified because the US “do most of the work there, and it’s ours”.

      However Sheinbaum’s government contends that Trump’s order applies only to the US portion of the continental shelf.

      “All we want is for the decree issued by the US government to be complied with,” she said, asserting that the US lacks the authority to rename the entire gulf.

      In January, Sheinbaum wrote a letter to Google asking the firm to reconsider its decision to rename the Gulf of Mexico for US users. The following month, she threatened legal action.

      At the time, Google said it made the change as part of “a longstanding practice” of following name changes when updated by official government sources. It said the Gulf – which is bordered by the US, Cuba and Mexico – would not be changed for people using the app in Mexico, and users elsewhere in the world will see the label: “Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America)”.

      The Associated Press (AP) news agency’s refusal to start referring to the Gulf of America led to a months-long conflict with the White House, which restricted AP’s access to certain events.

      A federal judge ordered the White House in April to stop sidelining the outlet.

      This Sheinbaum, her jib has cut.

      Reply
    40. 40.

      Chetan Murthy

      reposted my comment from LG&M:

      This is good news. I continue to wait for Mr. Abrego Garcia to be returned to the US. And the other detainees sent to that gulag without trial, without the opportunity to be sent back to their countries of origin if they lost at trial. But first and foremost, Mr. Abrego Garcia, b/c he’s become the face of this injustice.

      And in this belief I am only exercising rational self-interest, not bleeding-heart liberalism. B/c “you speak reel’gud English for a furr’ner” is what I’ll get when ICE scoop me up. Looking at the paper bag and seeing my interest clearly.

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    42. 42.

      Martin

      @Quicksand: So, don’t be surprised if this becomes a MAHA crusade to eliminate hormone injections in beef because it makes people trans or autistic or some shit. The cause and effect they pursue may be completely non-sensical, but an elimination of the practice would be welcome.

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    44. 44.

      Leto

      Definitely good news for her. Unfortunately for others: After 40 days in ICE detention, Alabama student Alireza Doroudi decides to self-deport back to Iran

      BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (WIAT) — Before March 25, Alireza Doroudi was a doctoral student at the University of Alabama, just finishing his degree in mechanical engineering and soon to be married.

      Now, the man who came to the United States over two years ago to chase his version of the “American Dream” will soon be going back to Iran, a choice he made after being detained by immigration officers for 42 days.

      During a master hearing Thursday afternoon, Doroudi asked an immigration court in Jena, Louisiana to allow him to deport himself back to Iran, which Judge Maithe Gonzalez granted.

      Doroudi’s decision to go leave the country comes after he was detained by officers with the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement in the early morning hours of March 25 at the apartment he and his fiancee shared in Tuscaloosa to pick him up on a revoked visa. Within a couple of days, he was taken to Central Louisiana ICE Processing Center in Jena, where he has remained ever since.

      Despite the U.S. Department of Homeland Security labelling Doroudi as posing “significant security concerns,” no evidence was ever brought up to suggest he was a threat. In fact, with the exception of a speeding ticket in Greene County, Doroudi has not criminal record.

      David Rozas, Doroudi’s attorney, said that during the hearing, he looked at him and said “I love this country, but they don’t want me here so I will go home.”

      “In the face of this legal uncertainty and prolonged detention, Mr. Doroudi chose to leave voluntarily. This is not only a loss for him personally, but a setback for our system. When due process is delayed or denied, when charges are sustained without standing, and when individuals are forced to choose between uncertain length of detention in a country they feel no longer wants them, or leaving voluntarily, we must ask what kind of precedent we are setting not just for foreign students, but for fairness and justice in America.”

      Bold is mine.

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    47. 47.

      Redshift

      @trollhattan:

      Trump’s longtime political advisor, Roger Stone, just called for me to be charged with treason and executed.

      Treason? You’re the only one who swore an oath to Donald Trump, Roger.

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    49. 49.

      Mai Naem mobile

      @Steve LaBonne: Ackman’s such a POS. I really think either Harvard and/or Columbia didn’t give him or his wife some kind of visitot professorship or one of his kids didn’t get in and he’s blaming it on DEI. There’s something personal there.

      Reply
    50. 50.

      MrPug

      Um, wait…doesn’t the government want to deport her?  If so, is being a “flight risk” all that much of a concern?

      Reply
    51. 51.

      Mai Naem mobile

      @trollhattan: Mark Kelly’s at least 50 lbs heavier and 5 inches taller than Stone. Not to mention that Stone would be crying like a baby if somebody actually punched him back like a bully should be punched back.

      Reply
    53. 53.

      Jay

      @Quicksand:

      There are only 10 farms/producers in the US that meet the EU and the UK’s requirements for certified Growth Hormone and BSE free beef.

      That US “certified growth hormone and BSE free” beef you can buy in the store, well, you just have to take the store’s word on it.

      Being a Canadian raised on grass fed, (free range) hormone and BSE free beef since a baby, I can’t eat beef in the US. It’s horrible. The only way I can eat a US burger, is if it’s a 70/30 beef and pork patty, and even then, I rely on a mound of sauces, relishes, pickles, onions, tomatoes, cheese, bacon, lettuce and mayo to cover up the taste of the meat.

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    54. 54.

      trollhattan

      @Mai Naem mobile:

      Heh, yeah, am certain this guy has Kelly quaking in his flightsuit.

      OTOH Roger’s one of those, “Let’s you and him fight” types and given what Kelly’s wife Gabby endured, I should think he correctly takes death threats very seriously.

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    55. 55.

      Old Man Shadow

      @Leto: Precedent is the same as it used to be: if you’re white and can afford a good lawyer, you might get something in the neighborhood of justice. If you lack the whiteness or the money, you’re fucked.

      Reply
    56. 56.

      trollhattan

      @Jay:

      Funny you should mention–back in the day mom always combined ground beef and pork for the all-important upper Midwestern meatloaf and also burgers. Just beef was too dry.

      Reply
    59. 59.

      WaterGirl

      @sab: I don’t know, but I would say it’s very unlikely to be a photo of her after her release.  If she has been released.

      Reply
    61. 61.

      trollhattan

      Trump 1. imagines he’s Lincoln and 2. imagines we are fighting a declared civil war.

      “White House deputy chief of staff for policy Stephen Miller said Friday that the Trump administration is ‘actively looking at’ suspending the writ of habeas corpus, which is the right to challenge the legality of a person’s detention by the government,” CNBC reports.

      “Miller’s comment came in response to a White House reporter who asked about President Donald Trump entertaining the idea of suspending the writ of habeas corpus to deal with the problem of illegal immigration into the United States.”

      Said Miller: “The Constitution is clear, and that, of course, is the supreme law of the land, that the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus can be suspended in time of invasion.”

      Reply
    64. 64.

      Chetan Murthy

      @Leto: I get so angry reading shit like this.  I want to sue the government to force them to attest whether I’m a citizen enjoying the rights stated in the Constitution, or not.  B/c it isn’t at all clear.  Not at all clear.

      Reply
    65. 65.

      trollhattan

      Related.

      CNN- Newark Mayor Ras Baraka was arrested Friday at a federal immigration detention center where he has been protesting its opening this week, a federal prosecutor said.
      Alina Habba, interim U.S. attorney for New Jersey, said on the social platform X that Baraka committed trespass and ignored warnings from Homeland Security personnel to leave Delaney Hall, a detention facility run by private prison operator GEO Group.
      Baraka, a Democrat who is running to succeed term-limited Gov. Phil Murphy, has embraced the fight with the Trump administration over illegal immigration.
      He has aggressively pushed back against the construction and opening of the 1,000-bed detention center, arguing that it should not be allowed to open because of building permit issues.
      Witnesses said the arrest came after Baraka attempted to join a scheduled tour of the facility with three members of New Jersey’s congressional delegation, Reps. Robert Menendez, LaMonica McIver, and Bonnie Watson Coleman.

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    66. 66.

      rikyrah

      Aaron Reichlin-Melnick (@ReichlinMelnick) posted at 7:23 AM on Fri, May 09, 2025:
      NEW: @NBCNews confirmed last night that the Trump admin almost sent a dozen men from Vietnam, the Philippines, Laos, and Mexico to Libya, a country described as a “hellscape” for migrants where many have been SOLD INTO SLAVERY and subjected to extraordinary horrors. https://t.co/Cn7mU1zCfz
      (https://x.com/ReichlinMelnick/status/1920817013439471762?t=sSpRW4gFcouu3h1aYjWb8A&s=03)

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    67. 67.

      rikyrah

      Terry Lee Watkins Jr. 王瑞民 (@TerryWatkinsJr1) posted at 9:30 AM on Fri, May 09, 2025:
      I’m an American living in China.

      They literally think Trump is a spy for them. They love him more than Biden because he’s sabatoging us at every point.

      Biden stopped them from doing stuff. Trump just opens doors for them. They know he’s weak and an idiot. They’re laughing.
      (https://x.com/TerryWatkinsJr1/status/1920848801541079244?t=6SefNMcYP3TjcgMs1_NkUQ&s=03)

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    68. 68.

      NickM

      Here’s some fresh hell – Trump considering suspending habeas corpus, announced by Stephen Miller.  I wonder if they can get away with this. I hope not.Link

      Reply
    69. 69.

      Captain C

      @rikyrah: Perhaps Kapo Miller et al are figuring that once they’re in Libya and sold into slavery, it will be near impossible to find them and bring them back once a court tells the administration they’re (the admin) totally out of line.  Maybe FFOTUS even thinks he’ll get a cut.

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    70. 70.

      rikyrah

      @Captain C:

      I keep on going back to this.

      We incarcerate more people in this country than any other country on the planet.

      We have Max prisons.

      We have SUPERMax prisons.

      We found space for the 9-11 masterminds..

      The thought that they try and bullshyt that we don’t have space for MS-13 gang members, is ridiculous. That our prison system can’t handle some phucking gang members.

       

      And, these people?

      We don’t know WHY they would be shipped to Libya…BECAUSE THEY WERE DENIED DUE PROCESS.

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    71. 71.

      Chetan Murthy

      @rikyrah: It’s on purpose.  Once they establish the precedent that they can ship anybody to some overseas gulag without due process, and that that gulag is beyond American law, they can go buck-wild.

      Reply
    73. 73.

      Jackie

      @trollhattan:

      “The Constitution is clear, and that, of course, is the supreme law of the land, that the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus can be suspended in time of invasion.”

      Haven’t THREE Federal Judges (thus far) said the US is NOT under invasion???

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    74. 74.

      Chetan Murthy

      @Jackie: There need to be substantial penalties for abusing language.  I don’t know how that happens, b/c that could also be abused.  It’s a real Gordian knot.

      Reply
    75. 75.

      Jay

      @rikyrah:

      @Captain C:

      @Chetan Murthy:

      Both Libyan Governments, the UAE/ruZZian backed Dictatorship and the Internationally recognized elected Government said,

      “Not on our watch, we will not allow the plane to land”.

      So the global count is 2, Rwanda and El Salvador.

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    77. 77.

      Chetan Murthy

      @Jay: Rwanda?  Ugh.  So we’re gonna proceed with that, where even the goddamn Tories balked in the end.  Yet another in the

      Tories: <shitty, shitty policy>

      Trump: Hold my beer!

      Reply
    80. 80.

      Bill Arnold

      @Captain C:

      Perhaps Kapo Miller et al are figuring that once they’re in Libya and sold into slavery,

      You had my hopes up with that sentence start. Oh well.

      Many patriotic Americans would approve of Mr. Miller et al being sent to Libya and sold into slavery.

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    81. 81.

      WTFGhost

      @cope: I’m so glad that at least seven members of the SCOTUS have read the entire fifth amendment, not just the “right to be silent.”

      I don’t know if I’d feel better, but for that – but the courts are jealous entities, and demand the executive not do the work of the courts. Was it Scalia who said the US could execute a factually innocent person, if due process has been followed? But even that hideous statement, unamerican at its core, still demands that the courts wet their beak and nod their approvals along the way.

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    82. 82.

      UncleEbeneezer

      @Steve LaBonne: It sends a chilling message to students and faculty: if you are a Jew who questions Zionism, you are suspect. If you engage in solidarity with Palestinians, you do not belong.

      I would encourage everyone to read the actual report. This quote almost completely inverts what the report actually says. Read the numerous testimonials of students and then ask some of your Jewish friends if those testimonials ring true with their lived experiences on campus and elsewhere. Because they sure do for the Jewish People (very Liberal, not-MAGA) that I know.  Most of them said something like “Oh yeah, that’s the casual antisemitic bullshit that every Jewish person deals with so regularly that we don’t even bother to bring it up anymore.”  And it pops up most commonly and most virulently from Pro-Palestine advocates.

      They are constantly having the Israel/Palestine conflict and their support for the existence of Israel used against them.  Having their 2,000 year connection to their ancestral land questioned/erased.  Being pressured to denounce Israel or take a position on the conflict.  Having the 10/7 massacres downplayed or justified.  Having a cartoon version of Zionism that bears no resemblance to what most Zionist Jews actually believe, ascribed to them.  Having Israel treated like some uniquely evil threat to the world.  Etc.  And frankly, they are sick and tired of Progressives/Anti-Zionists (Jewish or gentile) defending all that shit under a patina of Social Justice.

      Like I said, read the report and decide for yourself.  Because this Op-Ed depicts it in a way that looks nothing like what I spent several days reading.

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    84. 84.

      WTFGhost

      @Jackie: Although high school civics should teach everyone “when a federal judge interprets the law, that *IS* the law!” the Trump folks decided that’s a far too limited view of the law, when you have plenary pardon power on your side.

      Breaking the law is no problem – pardon!
      Criminal contempt of court is no problem – pardon!
      Requirement that the President see the laws faithfully executed is no problem – 66 votes to convict is an acquittal!

      If you ever wondered why Superman often had a smile on his face, it feels really good to be totally immune to harm.

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    85. 85.

      Steve LaBonne

      @UncleEbeneezer: I am sick and tired of your apologism for genocide, especially with Israel now openly implementing a Final Solution in Gaza. And I am sick of seeing actual Israeli scholars like this woman and the historian Omer Bartov being called antisemites by Jewish Likud acolytes who have lost touch with the Jewish ethical tradition.

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    86. 86.

      Jay

      @WTFGhost:

      Was it Scalia who said the US could execute a factually innocent person, if due process has been followed?

      Yes, the notorious 6 all did.

      After 27 years on Death Row, Barry Lee Jones was freed as innocent.

      I have not manage to track down what happened to David Martin Ramirez. If he was executed, if he is still in jail, if he was retried, if he is in an asylum, or if he was also found innocent and freed.

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    87. 87.

      WTFGhost

      @rikyrah: Part of me is desperately hoping that the courts just haven’t gotten to the whole “and by the way, you have no authority to put people in indefinite detention for the crime of unlawful presence, without due process.” I mean, that seems to be an important part of the storyline, as you mention.

      My hope is, like, they have to build up to that, and first, it’s “why did you disobey a lawful order?” and so forth, then they get to the “under what authority do you claim the ability to indefinitely imprison anyone, citizen or not?” followed by the obvious “WTF LIBYA, dude?”

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    92. 92.

      WTFGhost

      @Gretchen: The same tactics were used during the first Trump administration – but surprisingly few people seem outraged sufficiently by it. The excuse is that they don’t want the cops to be retaliated against. That’s always the excuse.

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    94. 94.

      cain

      @Gretchen:

      Who says there isn’t outrage? It just isn’t being covered.

      But immigrant communities haven’t worked out how they will respond to ICE. But they will, they have to because there is no due process, and they don’t care who they pick up including legal green card holders.

      Once you have a system that is that rigid with no legal recourse that’s when things get.. violent.

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    95. 95.

      Gloria DryGarden

      I hope it’s possible for Öztürk to sue the shit out of DHS.

      If ACLU or who ever helps her she needs funds, I’m sure such a lawsuit would benefit the entire country and set an important precedent. I’d donate.

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    97. 97.

      RaflW

      @trollhattan: Bsky is blowing up about this. It does seem like a pretty terrible escalation. Judges getting arrested, now a mayor of a mid-size (300,000) city.

      ‪Governor Phil Murphy‬ ‪@govmurphy.bsky.social‬
      3h
      I am outraged by the unjust arrest of Newark Mayor Ras Baraka earlier this afternoon outside of Delaney Hall in Newark.

      I am calling for his immediate release by federal law enforcement.

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    99. 99.

      Geminid

      @Gloria DryGarden: That’s good to see. I figured Judge Sessions* would grant bail once the question of jurisdiction was settled, but I was afraid the government would slow-walk her release.

      * Sessions was a Bill Clinton appointee; after law school, Sessions worked as a Legal Aid attorney before going into private practice as a criminal defense attorney.

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    101. 101.

      mrmoshpotato

      I hope it’s possible for Öztürk to sue the shit out of DHS.

      Hopefully she can personally sue that dog-murdering pile of shit too.

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    102. 102.

      YY_Sima Qian

      @rikyrah: There is a reason Trump has been called “川建国” (as in, the “National Builder”, of China) in the PRC, since the 45 term.

      Of course, most people in the PRC were pretty negative toward & dismissive of Biden, as well, because of his continuation & escalation of the trade & tech wars that Trump 45 had started. PRC policymakers took Biden more seriously, but IMHO only at the tactical level, as Biden’s strategy toward the PRC (such as it was) was also doomed to failure, if more slowly.

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    104. 104.

      Planetjanet

      @Steve LaBonne: You are usually very thoughtful and level-headed.  Your reaction surprises me.  Uncle Ebeneezer was not excusing genocide.  Far from it.  He just asked you to read the report for a more nuanced view.  Clearly there are massive war crimes going on in Gaza. The world is complicated.  Individual students in the US are not responsible for Netanyahu’s actions, no more than I am for the FFOTUS.

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    105. 105.

      Steve LaBonne

      @Planetjanet: This commenter constantly soft-pedals Israeli crimes and bristles at any criticism of Israel. I invite you to read that Guardian piece. Harvard calling the author out is bullshit. I have read the Harvard report (I am an alum) and am disgusted by the way it exaggerates supposed harassment of Jewish students (which has been far less prevalent than attacks on Muslim students), and by the administration’s abject appeasement of Trump which includes adopting the outrageous IHRA definition of antisemitism. Enough of this bullshit while children are being deliberately starved to death in Gaza and our government is trying to deport people for simply protesting these crimes.

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    106. 106.

      Planetjanet

      @Steve LaBonne: I am happy to read the Guardian report.  Don’t you think imlpying he supports genocide is a bit harsh.  We need to have civil discussions to move forward.

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    107. 107.

      Steve LaBonne

      @Planetjanet: You either condemn genocide or you condone it- there is no middle ground. And conflating criticism of Israel with antisemitism, as the IHRA definition does, is pure gaslighting. The commenter we are discussing is welcome to denounce that conflation at any time and certainly I would think better of them if they did so.

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    108. 108.

      YY_Sima Qian

      @Steve LaBonne: Israel is gearing up to invade the rest of Gaza again, w/ intensified bombing.

      As I have said before, the reaction (or lack thereof) by most of the West toward Israeli war crimes & crimes against humanity through the course of the latter’s war of vengeance against Gaza is as damaging to any semblance of international order as the reaction (or lack thereof) by most of the non-West toward Russia’s re-invasion of Ukraine (& the war crimes & crimes against humanity committed through out).

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    109. 109.

      Darkrose

      @Mai Naem mobile: It was his daughter coming home on break after taking a class that discussed Marxism. Also a Black woman was president of Harvard and obviously couldn’t have been qualified.

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