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Lest We Forget: Kilmar Abrego Garcia

by Anne Laurie|  May 15, 20256:54 pm| 93 Comments

This post is in: Excellent Links, Immigration, Republican Venality, Trump Crime Cartel

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The Supreme Court ordered Wilmar Abrego Garcia returned to the U.S. over a month ago.
Trump is STILL defying them.

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— Jon Cryer (@mrjoncryer.bsky.social) May 13, 2025 at 3:08 PM

Excellent expose from the Washington Post: “Trump’s 48-hour scramble to fly migrants to a Salvadoran prison” [gift link]:

The message from Secretary of State Marco Rubio to El Salvador’s Foreign Ministry outlined an audacious plan: The United States would be sending as many as 500 Venezuelan gang members to the Central American nation, and it planned to do so within 24 hours.

The March 13 communication was part of secretive negotiations with Salvadoran President Nayib Bukele and served as Rubio’s formal notice that the Trump administration was sending the Venezuelans to be imprisoned there for a year “or until a determination concerning their long-term disposition is made,” documents show. Detainees at the megaprison have no access to lawyers or contact with their families.

A Washington Post investigation shows how officials raced to execute the plan, rounding up some of the men at their homes the same day Rubio’s message went out. And they pressed forward with the removals, even as Venezuela agreed to accept deportation flights, in a high-stakes bid to show power and deter migrants from attempting to cross the border illegally.

The Post examined immigration and court records, and conducted interviews with attorneys, friends and family members, to piece together information about more than 50 of the men believed to be imprisoned at the Terrorism Confinement Center, the megaprison often referred to by its Spanish acronym, CECOT. The review shows that despite the administration’s claims, many of the immigrants sent to El Salvador had entered the United States legally and were actively complying with U.S. immigration rules…

Per the Bulwark, “Kilmar Is a Symbol Now – And the White House is desperately trying to fight it”:

… Why is the White House working so hard to smear this man, even after the administration acknowledged it wrongly deported him to a prison in El Salvador known for human rights abuses? After defying a unanimous U.S. Supreme Court order to facilitate his return, the administration has become obsessed with winning the public-relations fight over who Abrego Garcia is, because We accidentally sent a Maryland dad to a foreign torture prison and can’t be bothered to get him back doesn’t poll well outside the extreme MAGA fringe. In the administration’s thinking, Abrego Garcia must be a villain—and in their telling, he’s a dangerous gang member no one should want to bring back into the country…


FreeKilmar and ‘Bring Kilmar Home’ are born

Amir Fallah is an artist who exhibits his work around the world. One of his pieces is currently being shown at the de Young Museum in San Francisco. Called “You Can’t Use an Old Map to Explore New Worlds,” it’s pretty badass.

Fallah’s neighbor is Chris Newman, one of the lawyers working on Abrego Garcia’s behalf. Fallah’s and Newman’s kids are best friends.

When the National Day Laborer Organizing Network (NDLON), where Newman serves as general counsel, needed help to get the word out about their April 19 call to action for artists to create works about the injustice of Abrego Garcia’s case, Newman knew whom to call…

Lest We Forget: Wilmar Abrego Garcia

Protestors call for the release of Maryland resident Kilmar Abrego Garcia, who was deported to CECOT prison in El Salvador before the administration of US President Donald Trump admitted he was sent there due to an “administrative error,” outside the Metropolitan Detention Center of the Federal Bureau of Prisons during a May Day Workers Unite! march in Los Angeles, California, on May 1, 2025. (Photo by PATRICK T. FALLON/AFP via Getty Images)
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    1. 1.

      zhena gogolia

      May 15, 2025 at 6:55 pm

      AL, you have Wilmar in the headline.

      Reply
    2. 2.

      Anne Laurie

      May 15, 2025 at 7:06 pm

      @zhena gogolia: Thanks, fixed!

      Reply
    3. 3.

      Manyakitty

      May 15, 2025 at 7:24 pm

      So much needless pain. We are ruled by monsters.

      Reply
    4. 4.

      SpaceUnit

      May 15, 2025 at 7:33 pm

      Administrative Error is going to be as infamous as final solution.

      Reply
    5. 5.

      schrodingers_cat

      May 15, 2025 at 7:33 pm

      @Manyakitty: Indeed we are.

      Reply
    6. 6.

      SiubhanDuinne

      May 15, 2025 at 7:36 pm

      My new daily ritual includes saying his name every day. I have no idea where that falls on the useful-to-futile scale, but simply keeping him in mind seems like something I, personally, have to do.

      Reply
    7. 7.

      Formerly disgruntled in Oregon

      May 15, 2025 at 7:37 pm

      Thanks for this post, AL. The art is impactful.

      Reply
    8. 8.

      linnen

      May 15, 2025 at 7:38 pm

      Nitpick with the article quote, isn’t MAGA already the extreme fringe?

      Then I read again that it was from the ‘Bulwark’, so yes there are people that think MAGA has an extreme fringe and there is a non-fringy MAGA that does not want to throw brown people into a foreign run GITMO.

      Reply
    9. 9.

      Chetan Murthy

      May 15, 2025 at 7:46 pm

      I think about Mr. Abrego Garcia every day.  I wrote to Gov. “GoodHair” Newsom about him, explaining that if he couldn’t stand up for immigrants in Calfornia, how could I trust that he’d stand up for me?  And if he wouldn’t stand up for me, then what business did I have staying in California (and the US)?

      Reply
    10. 10.

      Manyakitty

      May 15, 2025 at 7:50 pm

      @SiubhanDuinne: Like Arya Stark’s list

      Reply
    11. 11.

      SiubhanDuinne

      May 15, 2025 at 7:57 pm

      @zhena gogolia:

      To be fair, so does the very first tweet.

      Reply
    12. 12.

      schrodingers_cat

      May 15, 2025 at 8:08 pm

      OT: This miniseries based on Lapierre and Collins book, Freedom at Midnight about how independent India and Pakistan came to be, looks interesting.

      Its available on Sling TV for streaming.

      Traile

      You need to know the origin story of India and Pakistan to understand the bad blood between the two countries.

      Reply
    13. 13.

      suzanne

      May 15, 2025 at 8:10 pm

      @SiubhanDuinne:

      I have no idea where that falls on the useful-to-futile scale, but simply keeping him in mind seems like something I, personally, have to do. 

      It helps keep you emotionally connected to others, and that matters.

      Reply
    14. 14.

      WTFGhost

      May 15, 2025 at 8:10 pm

      One question I’ve pondered, and I know others have as well.

      Let’s pretend the Tadmin (rhymes with “tantrum”) gave each person the opportunity to prove who they were, and to rebut the evidence the government has against them. Let’s even posit that some reasonable evidentiary standard is created by the judiciary, since the Tadmin won’t use one.

      Under what legal authority can the President throw a person into even, say, a domestic prison, for a year, incommunicado, if they are a terrible, ruthless, vicious, murderous, raperous, puppy-killerous, people who are FORBIDDEN for the TENTH TIME to use the “I know Noem is, but what am I?” defense, etc., member of Gang De Headline, if they’ve committed no crime in the US?

      I mean, I get the Tadmin is still using the “the courts have no authority over those who save their country!” defense, so, first, we’re establishing that habeas corpus exists and must have real force behind it. I mean, after that, when the Tadmin is saying “we’re holding them because (there must be an argument, right?) which grants us authority to detain them for a period of X days, incommunicado if we feel like it.” They can’t really be invoking the “Nanny nanny boo boo” defense this early, can they?

      Reply
    15. 15.

      Jay

      May 15, 2025 at 8:10 pm

      The Tennessee Holler
      ‪@thetnholler.bsky.social‬

      Follow
      Steve Smith & Kid Rock’s hypocrisy getting some national recognition

      May 15, 2025 at 6:17 AM

      https://bsky.app/profile/thetnholler.bsky.social/post/3lp7lytuv5k2x

      DJTdiot supporter had to close 3 of his bar/restaurants, over the weekend, because of ICE raids, and he only employs the undocumented. So he closed up rather than have ICE human traffic his staff.

      Reply
    16. 16.

      bbleh

      May 15, 2025 at 8:16 pm

      This, very much this.  Make the issue “immigrants,” and the MAGAtariat and the Wingnut Wurlitzer are free to go nuts with categorical slander (“drug dealers,” “rapists,” “criminals,” “disease carriers,” “anchor babies”), but make it *A* “Maryland dad” with a recognizable face hustled off to a foreign torture prison by faceless bureaucrats and the whole conversation changes.

      Likewise imo not Medicaid generally (“welfare,” “deficit,” “moochers,” “out-of-control librul spending”) but *A* widowed grandmother who has exhausted her savings and sold her house and now is facing eviction from her assisted living facility.

      National Republicans are monsters, and the HUMAN consequences of their monstrosity need to be shouted from the rooftops every day.

      @Manyakitty: oooh yes.

      Reply
    17. 17.

      zhena gogolia

      May 15, 2025 at 8:23 pm

      @SiubhanDuinne: I know, but I thought it should be correct in the headline.

      Reply
    18. 18.

      Kirk

      May 15, 2025 at 8:24 pm

      Yeah, I want Garcia back but that’s just a symbol.

      I want them all back; including the rapists and murderers and drug dealers (if there are any).

      Due process applies to all, not just to the “right people”. No person shall be deprived of liberty without the due process of law.

      Bring them back. Give them their due process. If found guilty penalize them or deport them in accordance with our laws. If innocent, leave them to increase us all.

      Reply
    19. 19.

      SiubhanDuinne

      May 15, 2025 at 8:31 pm

      @suzanne:

      I think that’s exactly right, and I hadn’t yet made it explicit, even to myself. Thank you.

      Reply
    20. 20.

      SiubhanDuinne

      May 15, 2025 at 8:33 pm

      @zhena gogolia:

      I don’t disagree!

      Reply
    21. 21.

      BlueGuitarist

      May 15, 2025 at 8:54 pm

      Kilmar Abrego Garcia is a member of SMART (International Association of Sheet Metal, Air, Rail, and Transportation Workers). The union is working to bring him home, includes a video
      https://www.smart-union.org/defending-our-rights-fighting-for-kilmar-abrego-garcia-and-his-right-to-due-process/

      building trades unions too:
      Check out this short video of Frank Murray, President of Ironworkers Local 7, Boston, putting the story in the context of worker safety and the billionaire class trying to pit workers against each other:
      https://www.instagram.com/reel/DJmn6qaP0YE/

      Reply
    22. 22.

      BlueGuitarist

      May 15, 2025 at 8:54 pm

      Another piece of the MS-13 story, Salvadoran newspaper El Faro, via Mother Jones:
      Corrupt Salvadoran president Bukele does not want any MS-13 leaders who might testify about the deal he made with MS-13 to stand trial in the US and reveal his connections to them, 

      https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2025/04/el-salvador-nayib-bukele-trump-deportation/

      Reply
    23. 23.

      Josie

      May 15, 2025 at 8:56 pm

      @SiubhanDuinne: I do something similar. In the Episcopal service, there is a time for prayers of the people. One paragraph prays for people who are ill or suffering, and I have been quietly saying Mr. Abrego Garcia’s name then. It is a little thing, but I hope he realizes how many people are thinking of him.

      Reply
    24. 24.

      YY_Sima Qian

      May 15, 2025 at 8:57 pm

      @BlueGuitarist: Good to see the unions asserting their influence.

      Reply
    25. 25.

      YY_Sima Qian

      May 15, 2025 at 8:59 pm

      Unfortunately, the courts (especially SCOTUS) do not really have people w/ guns in their disposal to enforce their judgments.

      Reply
    26. 26.

      TONYG

      May 15, 2025 at 9:07 pm

      This is an impeachable offense by Trump, of course, if we still had a functioning democratic republic.

      Reply
    27. 27.

      Omnes Omnibus

      May 15, 2025 at 9:07 pm

      @YY_Sima Qian:  Court decisions still matter.

      Reply
    28. 28.

      Sandia Blanca

      May 15, 2025 at 9:11 pm

      @SiubhanDuinne: This is a great idea, SiubhanDuinne (or may I call you Subaru Diane?). I will start doing this too.

      Reply
    29. 29.

      Jay

      May 15, 2025 at 9:12 pm

      @TONYG:

      Too bad senior Dem “leadership” have cancelled Impeachment.

      Reply
    30. 30.

      zhena gogolia

      May 15, 2025 at 9:14 pm

      @Jay: Republicans will never convict. They had their chance twice and they didn’t take it, even after he attacked the Capitol. It’s a waste of time for Democrats. I’m not blaming Democrats for anything.

      Reply
    31. 31.

      comrade scotts agenda of rage

      May 15, 2025 at 9:16 pm

      @Chetan Murthy:

      We can only hope that when he runs in 28, a lot of us will still be around to remind people he’s a crap candidate.

      Reply
    32. 32.

      Jay

      May 15, 2025 at 9:16 pm

      The Daily Beast
      ‪@thedailybeast.bsky.social‬

      Follow
      Kristi Noem has been working with the producer of “Duck Dynasty” to pitch a reality TV show—titled “The American”—where immigrants will compete in a string of challenges across the country “for the honor of fast-tracking their way to U.S. citizenship,” according to a new report.

      Noem Plots Reality Show Where Migrants Fight for Citizenship
      A Homeland Security official told the Daily Beast that the show is in the early stages of vetting, though approval has not been given—or denied.
      http://www.thedailybeast.com
      May 15, 2025 at 4:28 PM

      Everybody can reply
      515 reposts
      2.7K quotes
      1.2K likes

      https://bsky.app/profile/thedailybeast.bsky.social/post/3lpao55dnus2b

      Reply
    33. 33.

      MagdaInBlack

      May 15, 2025 at 9:19 pm

      @Jay: JFC

      Reply
    34. 34.

      Professor Bigfoot

      May 15, 2025 at 9:19 pm

      @zhena gogolia:

      I’m not blaming Democrats for anything.

      Not to worry, someone will be along to do that little thing soon enough.

      Reply
    35. 35.

      Jay

      May 15, 2025 at 9:21 pm

      @zhena gogolia:

      While Rethugs never convict, it’s a stage for the Democratic Party to get some of the illegal stuff in the Media, making it clear to the FNNYT that this shit is illegal. Maybe even some judges.

      Reply
    36. 36.

      Harrison Wesley

      May 15, 2025 at 9:23 pm

      @Jay: Didn’t the Romans used to stage shit like that in the Colosseum?

      Reply
    37. 37.

      Jay

      May 15, 2025 at 9:26 pm

      @Harrison Wesley:

      Yup. But they got “freedom”, not citizenship, because everybody under the rule of Rome was a “citizen”, some more than others.

      Reply
    38. 38.

      comrade scotts agenda of rage

      May 15, 2025 at 9:27 pm

      @Jay:

      I don’t care what kind of Political Performance Theater Dems do in the House via a vis impeachment. If it’s a better publicizing tool, great

      But expecting FTFNYT to admit anything he’s doing is illegal is beyond wishful thinking.

      Reply
    39. 39.

      Steve LaBonne

      May 15, 2025 at 9:28 pm

      Knowing that Trump will never face any accounting for his crimes makes me want to throw up.

      Reply
    40. 40.

      Timill

      May 15, 2025 at 9:35 pm

      @Jay: Apart from the slaves, the freedmen and the barbarians…

      Reply
    41. 41.

      schrodingers_cat

      May 15, 2025 at 9:36 pm

      @Steve LaBonne: He will. He has to live with himself and he doesn’t strike me as a happy man.

      Reply
    42. 42.

      Jay

      May 15, 2025 at 9:37 pm

      LMFAO at DJTdiot’s Middle East Investment deals.

      Sawdi Arabia’s deal might be possible, but wont happen.

      UAE upped the ante, promising to invest 100% of their GDP in the US.

      Qatar topped that by promising to invest 175% of their GDP in the US.

      Iran is expected to follow with a promise of 10,000% of their GDP.

      Reply
    43. 43.

      Ohio Mom

      May 15, 2025 at 9:37 pm

      @Professor Bigfoot:
      Are you well enough to travel to Saturday’s meet-up? I want to meet you in real life!

      Reply
    44. 44.

      Professor Bigfoot

      May 15, 2025 at 9:39 pm

      @Ohio Mom: I’m planning on it.

      Reply
    45. 45.

      Jay

      May 15, 2025 at 9:43 pm

      Nathan Kalman-Lamb
      ‪@nkalamb.bsky.social‬

      Follow
      A principled student said in a grad speech that the “only appropriate thing to say in this moment” is to acknowledge the “atrocities” currently being committed in Palestine.

      In response, NYU is withholding their diploma + apologizing to the community for the trauma the audience was “subjected to.”

      https://bsky.app/profile/nkalamb.bsky.social/post/3lp7ey4gcek2k

      Freeze peach, amirite?

      Reply
    46. 46.

      Jackie

      May 15, 2025 at 9:46 pm

      @Jay: I was just about to post that. What’s really unbelievable, is that it’s seriously being considered. “It will be a ratings hit!”

      Reply
    47. 47.

      Jay

      May 15, 2025 at 9:46 pm

      Kathleen Bush-Joseph
      ‪@kathleenbush.bsky.social‬

      Follow
      “DHS Requests 20,000 National Guard Members to Help With Immigration Crackdown

      The Defense Dept is reviewing the request. If approved, one official said, it would be the first time NG troops were used to help enforce an immigration crackdown” in the US
      http://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/15/u...

      https://bsky.app/profile/kathleenbush.bsky.social/post/3lp7wojalqs2x

      Reply
    48. 48.

      YY_Sima Qian

      May 15, 2025 at 9:47 pm

      @Omnes Omnibus: Court decisions matter as far as they can be enforced.

      Reply
    49. 49.

      Harrison Wesley

      May 15, 2025 at 9:50 pm

      @Jackie: MC’d by Russell Crowe – at the end of each show, he asks the audience, “Are you not entertained?’

      Reply
    50. 50.

      Ohio Mom

      May 15, 2025 at 9:51 pm

      @Professor Bigfoot: Happy to hear that!

      Reply
    51. 51.

      GB in the HC

      May 15, 2025 at 9:54 pm

      @Jay:

       

      @Jay: “The American” Season 1 the hunger games.

      Reply
    52. 52.

      Steve LaBonne

      May 15, 2025 at 9:58 pm

      @Jay: For me but not for thee.

      Reply
    53. 53.

      Bill Arnold

      May 15, 2025 at 10:00 pm

      Mr. Trump, stable genius, allegedly POTUS (even though constitutionally ineligible, 14th A). Video and rest of transcript at link.
      04:02 When you look at what’s happening with Russia and Ukraine, the drone is killing tremendous

      04:07 numbers of people.
      04:08 You hide behind a tree and the drone comes down and it circles you with with fire.
      04:12 You don’t have a chance.
      04:13 The tree comes down also, by the way.
      04:15 It’s so intense.
      04:16 I mean, you see these trees being knocked down like like they’re being sawed down by a top
      04:21 of the line.
      04:22 Timberman like like, you know, who Shawn Duffy?
      04:26 Do you know that Shawn Duffy, the head of the Transportation Department, who’s working
      04:30 right now on the airports and getting a system because Biden didn’t do a thing for four years.
      04:36 And Pete Buttigieg was the head and he goes bicycle into work.
      04:41 He takes a bicycle to work.

      Mr Trump explains a bit later that Sean Duffy was a champion pole climber, to excuse his scatter-brain.
      Background (2011):
      Sean Duffy No Stranger to Logrolling (Jacqueline Linnane, November 4, 2011)

      Duffy’s hometown, Hayward, which is in his district, is home to the annual Lumberjack World Championships. Contestants compete in events such as chopping, sawing, logrolling and tree climbing.
      “It’s all skills of the old-time lumberjack,” he explained. “As a little boy, I saw these guys come out from the West Coast to climb 90-foot speed-climbing poles. It was the bull riding of the rodeo to lumberjack sports.”
      He wasted no time getting into the ring. At 13, an audacious Duffy convinced older speed climbers to teach him the basics, and shortly after, he was outfitted in boot spurs, a harness and a rope.
      Speed climbing is a timed sprint up a wooden pole and a controlled free fall back down. The pole lengths vary greatly. The 60-foot pole is usually the shortest, and from there, they measure 80, 90 and 100 feet. The 100-foot poles are rarely seen in competition because of their scarcity.

      Reply
    54. 54.

      Jackie

      May 15, 2025 at 10:00 pm

      Florida Man:

      A notorious serial killer known as the “Casanova Killer” used his final moments before execution on Thursday to praise President Donald Trump as he delivered a MAGA-inspired political message that stunned witnesses.

      “President Trump, keep making America great. I’m ready to go,” Glen Rogers, 62, said while strapped to a gurney at the Florida State Prison just before the lethal injection drugs were administered, according to media reports. His final statement, which also included remarks for his family and the loved ones of his victims, was witnessed and reported by journalists from the Tampa Bay Times and the Associated Press.

      Rogers, who was convicted of killing five people across the country in the 1990s, was executed Thursday for the murder of Tina Marie Cribbs. He became known as the “Casanova Killer” because of his “his good looks and ability to charm his future victims, and as the ‘Cross Country Killer’ because the victims all lived in different states: California, Mississippi, Louisiana and Florida.”

      “I know there’s a lot of questions that you need answers to,” he reportedly told the families of his victims Thursday. “I promise you in the near future the questions will be answered and I hope in someway will bring you closure.”

      But it was his unusual mention of Trump that confused many in the room.

      “I was like, ‘Where did that even come from?'” Randy Robertson, whose mother, Andy Lou Jiles Sutton, was one of Roger’s victims. His wife, Amy, also present in the execution chamber, added: “What the hell?”

      Reply
    55. 55.

      prostratedragon

      May 15, 2025 at 10:06 pm

      @Bill Arnold:

      During his last term in Congress, Sean Duffy voted to defund the agency that provides air safety.

      Reply
    56. 56.

      Omnes Omnibus

      May 15, 2025 at 10:08 pm

      @YY_Sima Qian: We disagree.  The decisions are important in  and of themselves.  They matter as something  to rally around.  They also are markers of the rule of law and show how lawless Trump and his cronies are.  Don’t make light of people doing the right thing.

      Reply
    57. 57.

      Harrison Wesley

      May 15, 2025 at 10:14 pm

      @Bill Arnold: I believe the psychological term for Trumpian speech is ‘coprolalia.’

      Reply
    58. 58.

      mrmoshpotato

      May 15, 2025 at 10:19 pm

      @SpaceUnit:

      Administrative Error is going to be as infamous as final solution. 

      And “I was just following orders.”

      Reply
    59. 59.

      catclub

      May 15, 2025 at 10:21 pm

      @Omnes Omnibus: Court decisions still matter.

       

      we are probably going to find out that judges can only make nationwide injunctions against actions by Democratic Presidents.

      Reply
    60. 60.

      Omnes Omnibus

      May 15, 2025 at 10:23 pm

      Fuck it.  I am out of here for the night.

      Reply
    61. 61.

      Jay

      May 15, 2025 at 10:27 pm

      Squeaker Johnson:

      “The reason that many people refer to the Bidens as the Biden crime family is because they were doing all this stuff behind curtains, in the back rooms. They were trying to conceal it […] Whatever President Trump is doing is out in the open.”

      And that is why, if you wave at the store security camera, shoplifting is legal.

      Reply
    62. 62.

      MagdaInBlack

      May 15, 2025 at 10:31 pm

      @Jay: Pretty sure I’ve used up my quota of JFC for the evening.

      Reply
    63. 63.

      Steve in the ATL

      May 15, 2025 at 10:32 pm

      @Omnes Omnibus: and that, my friends, is why I am now here!

      Confidential to Omnes: zing!

      Reply
    64. 64.

      Steve in the ATL

      May 15, 2025 at 10:36 pm

      @Kirk:
       

      I want them all back; including the rapists and murderers and drug dealers (if there are any).

      Due process applies to all, not just to the “right people”. No person shall be deprived of liberty without the due process of law.

      Well said. Everyone is familiar with Miranda rights (probably more than half of you have had them read to you!) but how many people are familiar with Mr. Miranda and why he needed to know his rights? He was an awful human being. But he still had rights! Unlike, BTW, states, which do not have rights.

      Reply
    65. 65.

      Steve in the ATL

      May 15, 2025 at 10:39 pm

      @YY_Sima Qian:
       

      Good to see the unions asserting their influence.

      You are dead to me.

      Kidding, of course, especially since I just took a new position as employment counsel rather than labor counsel. So I might actually be “in the ATL” now!

      Reply
    66. 66.

      Mr. Bemused Senior

      May 15, 2025 at 10:39 pm

      @Jay: UAE upped the ante, promising to invest 100% of their GDP in the US.

      Qatar topped that by promising to invest 175% of their GDP in the US.

      Iran is expected to follow with a promise of 10,000% of their GDP.

      [In the voice of Chico Marx] I got lots of numbers left.

      Reply
    67. 67.

      Geminid

      May 15, 2025 at 10:39 pm

       

       

      @zhena gogolia: Here’s a data point on Impeachment, from a May 4 CNN article:

      GOP amps up impeachment talk as party leaders woo Kemp

      President Trump and GOP leaders are beginning to plot their midterm push to hang on to power amid a shaky political environment, recruiting key candidates in critical battleground House and Senate races while leaning hard on an issue that could animate the MAGA faithful: impeachment.

      While Democratic leaders are wary of a third impeachment, the topic has become a prominent discussion in GOP ranks….Republican leaders are hoping the talk could drive up turnout in a year when Trump is not on the ballot.

      This proves nothing; like I say, its just a data point. But here’s another one: Democrats impeached Trump in late 2020 and a second time in early 2021, and Trump won election four years later.

      Reply
    68. 68.

      Jackie

      May 15, 2025 at 10:52 pm

      @Steve in the ATL:

      I just took a new position as employment counsel rather than labor counsel. So I might actually be “in the ATL” now!

      Good for you! How will you ever adjust to becoming a homebody? :-D

      Reply
    69. 69.

      Steve in the ATL

      May 15, 2025 at 10:56 pm

      @Jackie: I’m more worried about my family adjusting….

      Reply
    70. 70.

      Ohio Mom

      May 15, 2025 at 10:58 pm

      @Steve in the ATL: Congrats on your new job!

      Reply
    71. 71.

      Geminid

      May 15, 2025 at 10:59 pm

      I posted a comment yesterday about a May 14 New Lines Magazine article concerning Venezuelans deported from the US to prisons in El Salvador, titled:

      They Wanted a Better Future in the US. Now They are Jailed in El Salvador

      The detention of Venezuelans by President Bukele has left their relatives protesting for their freedom, with little hope in sight.

      This seems like a good thread to link to the article again:

      https://www.newlinesmag/reportage/they-wanted-a-better-future-in-the-us-now-they-are-jailed-in-el-salvador

      Welp, that link doesn’t work. I’ll try again downthread. It’s a good article, as New Lines reporting consistently is, and worth looking up for those interested.

      Reply
    72. 72.

      Steve in the ATL

      May 15, 2025 at 11:04 pm

      @Ohio Mom: thank you!  So obviously I’ll miss this Ohio meetup….

      Reply
    73. 73.

      Another Scott

      May 15, 2025 at 11:06 pm

      @Steve in the ATL: Google tells me the decision was 5:4.

      :-/

      I think the decision was correct, but it shows how close the result was, and the importance of having sensible people on the courts.

      Best wishes,
      Scott.

      Reply
    74. 74.

      Timill

      May 15, 2025 at 11:08 pm

      @Geminid: no www

      https://newlinesmag.com/reportage/they-wanted-a-better-future-in-the-us-now-they-are-jailed-in-el-salvador/

      Reply
    75. 75.

      YY_Sima Qian

      May 15, 2025 at 11:11 pm

      @Jay: A lot of the numbers include deals announced in the years past, & many probably will never materialize.

      Reply
    76. 76.

      Geminid

      May 15, 2025 at 11:12 pm

      @Geminid: I think I found the fault in my link to the New Lines article, so I will try again:

      https://www.newlinesmag.com/reportage/they-wanted-a-better-future-in-the-us-now-they-are-jailed-in-el-salvador/

      Shazaam!

      Reply
    77. 77.

      YY_Sima Qian

      May 15, 2025 at 11:13 pm

      @Steve in the ATL: Congratulations!

      Reply
    78. 78.

      Timill

      May 15, 2025 at 11:13 pm

      @Geminid: A .com helps :-)

      Reply
    79. 79.

      Timill

      May 15, 2025 at 11:24 pm

      Anyone else collect Kindle Rewards points? I’m puzzled, as my total has increased by 32 over the past few hours without the need to actually buy anything…

      Maybe I’ll be up to 300 points tomorrow without having to spend more money.

      Reply
    80. 80.

      Geminid

      May 15, 2025 at 11:25 pm

      @Timill: I think what tripped me up the first time was I left out the slash at the end, after -salvador/.

      Are you familiar with New Lines Magazine? It’s edited by Syrian American Hassan I. Hassan. It covers a wide range of topics in depth.

      I was introduced to Mr. Hassan by the journalist Oz Katerji last December, when he cited Hassan as a reliable source for Syria news.

      Reply
    81. 81.

      Jackie

      May 15, 2025 at 11:39 pm

      @Steve in the ATL:

      I’m more worried about my family adjusting….

      That’s a fact! LOL

      Reply
    82. 82.

      Kayla Rudbek

      May 15, 2025 at 11:47 pm

      @Timill: I should go check mine; I will get various rewards if I go with slow shipping at Amazon, and there are some days where they do double points for Kindle purchases.

      Reply
    83. 83.

      sab

      May 16, 2025 at 12:23 am

      @Professor Bigfoot: Oh yay!

      Reply
    84. 84.

      Timill

      May 16, 2025 at 12:38 am

      @Kayla Rudbek: LIke today (Friday 16th)..

      I usually put off Kindle purchases until a double or triple points day.

      Reply
    85. 85.

      prostratedragon

      May 16, 2025 at 1:06 am

      Propublica:

      The Trump Administration Leaned on African Countries. The Goal: Get Business for Elon Musk

      Reporting Highlights

      “Maximum Pressure”: The State Department conducted a monthslong campaign to push a small African country to help Musk’s satellite internet company, records and interviews show.
      “Ram This Through”: Working closely with executives at Starlink, the U.S. government has made a global push to help expand Musk’s business empire in the developing world.
      “Crony Capitalism”: Diplomats said the events were an alarming departure from standard practice — because of both the tactics used and the person who would benefit most from them.

      BlueSky thread

      Reply
    86. 86.

      Darkrose

      May 16, 2025 at 1:27 am

      @Josie: I haven’t been to church in years (and I just learned that my childhood church has closed :( ) but IIRC, some Episcopal Churches let parishoners add names out loud during the Prayers for the People. Is that something your church does, or could you ask the priest to pray for KAG and all who are unjustly imprisoned?

      Reply
    87. 87.

      prostratedragon

      May 16, 2025 at 1:52 am

      “Old Photographs [Constantinople],” Christos Hatzis

      Reply
    88. 88.

      gene108

      May 16, 2025 at 4:07 am

      NYT (via archive.ph) summary of the Republican tax bill.

      Interestingly enough they did eliminate taxes on tips, OT, and a tax credit for people on Social Security. What they also did was make these temporary, set to expire in 2028.

      The measure also includes several new, temporary tax cuts that Mr. Trump campaigned on, including his promises not to tax tips or overtime. His pitch not to tax Social Security benefits takes the form of a bonus $4,000 deduction available to Americans over 65, with the benefit shrinking at higher income levels. Americans would also be able to deduct interest on car loans from their taxable income, though the car has to be made in the United States.
      The reductions would last only through 2028, as would a $1,000 addition to the standard deduction and a $500 bonus to the child tax credit, which now maxes out at $2,000. Children born over the next four years would receive $1,000 deposited in a so-called “MAGA account” that is invested in the stock market.

      They also pushed the full work requirement for Medicaid to 2029.

      Scaling back Medicaid

      The bottom line: The bill makes major changes to reduce the cost of the health insurance program for the poor and disabled. The centerpiece of those efforts is a strict work requirement for childless adults without disabilities, which would require beneficiaries to document 80 hours of monthly work, or prove they qualified for an exception, or else risk losing their benefits. Those new rules would not kick in until 2029, after the next presidential election.

      Looks a couple of poison pills should Republicans lose control of government in 2028, so the incoming Democrats get stuck with the federal Medicaid work requirement and taxes on tips and OT.

      They’re still fucking over people on Medicaid, though.

      More immediately, the legislation would make it easier for states to cancel people’s coverage by allowing them to increase paperwork requirements and drop those who don’t respond to requests to verify their income or residency. It also would require states to impose co-payments for a wide array of medical services for adults on Medicaid who live above the poverty line, a policy some Democrats described as a “sick tax.”
      Another provision would reduce Medicaid funding to states that use their own tax revenues to provide health coverage to undocumented immigrants, a change that could affect financing for 12 mostly Democrat-controlled states. The legislation would bar Medicaid from providing funding to Planned Parenthood as long as the organization continued to provide abortions. And the bill would limit strategies that states have developed to tax medical providers and pay them higher prices for Medicaid services.
      Taken together with policies that would affect private Obamacare coverage, the Congressional Budget Office estimated that the legislation would cause 8.6 million more Americans to be uninsured at the end of a decade, while reducing federal spending on health care by more than $700 billion. That estimate may be updated in the coming weeks as the office continues to analyze the bill.

      https://archive.ph/FriNw

      Reply
    89. 89.

      Baud

      May 16, 2025 at 4:54 am

      @gene108:

      Smart. Republican know people don’t believe us when we tell them what Republicans did.

      Reply
    90. 90.

      lowtechcyclist

      May 16, 2025 at 5:34 am

      @Jay: ​
       

      Too bad senior Dem “leadership” have cancelled Impeachment.

      What color is the sky on your planet?

      Reply
    91. 91.

      Manyakitty

      May 16, 2025 at 6:33 am

      @Professor Bigfoot: yay!!!! I’m going, too!

      Reply
    92. 92.

      Gloria DryGarden

      May 16, 2025 at 8:08 am

      @Baud: we need to keep going after more journalism and publicity until it becomes something they can’t deny any longer.

      republicans doing destructive outrageous actions: as long as it’s happening, shout it loud.

      it’s hard. To get people to see it. My republican voting and conservative acquaintances seem Certain they know the truth.
      Why? Persuasive lies? Poor discernment? Too much media telling lies and sanewashing… presenting stuff as reasonable or normal. (JFC)

      Reply
    93. 93.

      Kayla Rudbek

      May 17, 2025 at 9:42 am

      @Timill: same here, I like getting the extra points

      Reply

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