These are some deeply twisted, horrible people.
DHS Is Considering Reality Show Where Immigrants Compete for Citizenship
‘This isn’t ‘The Hunger Games’ for immigrants,’ says the producer behind the pitchWSJ (gift link) — The Department of Homeland Security is considering being part of a television show in which immigrants would compete for potential U.S. citizenship, an idea the producer pitched as far back as the Obama administration.
Department spokeswoman Tricia McLaughlin said she had spoken to the producer of the proposed television reality show and that consideration of the idea was ongoing.
It is “in the very beginning stages of that vetting process,” she said, adding, “Each proposal undergoes a thorough vetting process prior to denial or approval.”
Pro-tip for show pitchers: if you’re obligated to put a “it’s not The Hunger Games” disclaimer on your pitch, throw the pitch in the bin, and then go back and rethink every life choice that led you to this moment.
The pitch for the proposed citizenship-competition show comes from Rob Worsoff, a producer and writer whose credits include the “Duck Dynasty” reality show. Worsoff, who emigrated from Canada, told The Wall Street Journal that the show is meant to be hopeful and a celebration of what it means to be an American citizen.
Oh, the guy who thrust the mumbling right-wing “Duck Dynasty” dipshits into public consciousness. Worsoff says he pitched the show to DHS under Obama and Biden but “the project didn’t come together.” Probably because it’s a profoundly grotesque idea.
The reality TV genre has a lot to answer for, including the shitty current president.
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In other news from the WSJ, Trump’s “big, beautiful bill” failed to make it out of committee in the GOP-controlled House:
WASHINGTON—House Republican spending hawks blocked the party’s giant tax-and-spending bill on Friday, delivering President Trump a setback over disagreements on Medicaid, clean-energy tax breaks and budget deficits.
They’ll take another swing at it next week. I figure something small and ugly will eventually emerge. Trump is having a hissy fit on his janky knock-off Twitter clone, shrieking GRANDSTANDERS at the so-called fiscal hawks, who will almost certainly cave eventually. There’s not enough vertebrae among the 220 members of that caucus to form a single spine.
Open thread.
owlbrick
The guy’s name is Worsoff. Are you kidding me?!
Steve LaBonne
@owlbrick: Apparently he’s been writing reality, not just reality TV shows.
MattF
Not to mention the WWE vibe. When do they start throwing folding chairs at the audience?
ETA: I really do miss old Haystacks Calhoun.
Harrison Wesley
What kind of reality show? Thunderdome would be pretty cool.
The Other Bob
Do the losers of the show get deported, sent to El Salvador or imprisoned in Louisiana?
Omnes Omnibus
This pitch is, of course, part of the reason I resist the suggestion that we don’t call some of the people evil. Noem, Miller, and Holman need to be some of the first defendants in our Nuremberg trials. Mistaken, ignorant, or financially insecure just won’t cut it for these pieces of shit.
JoyceH
The possibilities for competition shows don’t stop there! Here’s a notion for a family event. Four families of a patient awaiting heart transplant, one heart! The shortened viability window (even with the new tech to keep the heart alive longer) would really add to the drama. Time is ticking!
Steve LaBonne
How about a show where a group of immigrants hunt Noem, and whichever one bags her is granted citizenship. Somewhere her late dog would be smiling.
Dorothy A. Winsor
The gameshow idea is grotesque.
Harrison Wesley
@owlbrick: Hey, if they’re listening to him he’s not Worsoff than he was eight years ago.
Parfigliano
Did they reject the Big Beautiful Bill because there wasn’t enough pain inflicted on the poor?
Baud
Bread and
CircusesCitizenshipBaud
@Parfigliano:
Yes, I think so.
ExPatExDem
The gameshow idea is guillotine worthy.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
Feature, not a bug in that world.
JoyceH
@Dorothy A. Winsor: What’s interesting is that the very grotesqueness of the project doesn’t seem to occur to them so long as they’re talking amongst themselves. It’s only when the story comes out and the world recoils in horror that they start to backtrack. Nobody on the inside seems to see it.
These people are ghouls. Every last one of them.
gene108
If Worsoff proposed this reality TV show idea to the Obama administration, he probably proposed it to Trump 1.0, and enough non-evil sycophants were around back then to keep this from being considered.
Some perspective on the depravity of Noem.
Eural Joiner
I cannot recommend “Cue the Sun” by Emily Nussbaum enough on the topic of the creation of “reality” media (it goes way back to the 1930s and 40s). It’s a great read and will absolutely stun you with how dark the human psyche can get…and not just recently, sadly. Really good stuff.
They Call Me Noni
I immediately thought of Hunger Games.
Damn but these people are pathetic and gross.
BlueGuitarist
Bolts – an excellent resource for keeping track of all the oddly timed elections downballot – has this article up now about Pittsburgh area judicial primary in a few days – Tuesday, May 20:
I think it is called Bolts because in focusing on the nuts-&-bolts of politics they don’t pay as much attention to the nuts.
https://boltsmag.org/allegheny-county-judge-elections-2025/
Jay
The story is doing everything the story was meant to do.
Distract from the evil going on.
https://www.wonkette.com/p/kristi-noem-and-donald-trump-would
Ben Cisco
@The Other Bob: It’ll play out like the movie “The Running Man” – even the ‘winners’ of the competition got smoked.
Omnes Omnibus
@Jay: Some of us can walk and chew gum at the same time. Also, I am not going to throw shade at whatever attracts public opprobrium to any member of this administration.
Suzanne
These people are utter trash. Absolute human garbage.
Betty Cracker
@Jay: I love Wonkette, but I’m so sick and goddamn tired of the “distraction” discourse. Multiple appalling things are happening at once, and there’s no strategy behind it except the psychos running the government are doing lots of evil shit every fucking day.
Quaker in a Basement
@The Other Bob: Good job, Bob. That’s what I came to the comments to add.
Wilson Heath
@owlbrick:
A Canadian who emigrated to the U.S. with the name Worsoff. Clearly The Onion.
Betty Cracker
Huh. So this is what prompted Trump’s overnight social media screeching about Springsteen.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
They can have the competitors dress in just their under-ware for extra humiliation, and then Trump appear at the end of the death match dressed as a Roman God, riding in a bigly heavenly chariot drawn by Bezos, Musk and Zuckerberg to bless the winner with a gold scepter, making him an official citizen.
Lobo
In the Correr Para Viver show, the following events will be highlighted:
(Sarcasm, any case anyone would take this seriously)
UncleEbeneezer
The really sad thing is that there has always been a decent sized market for this shit.
Scuffletuffle
@MattF: I miss Tony Garea…ooohlala!!!
Jay
@Betty Cracker:
There is a strategy, it’s “flooding the zone”.
The seriousness of what is happening, right in front of their eyes, is not “getting through” to the “normies”, because there is always new “click bait”.
Outside of some Independent Media, nobody in the F’N MSM is doing a “deep dive”, and how many Normies read ProPublica, or KThug, or Emptywheel.
zhena gogolia
I heard at lunch that Chris Murphy is throwing Biden under the bus.
Great, he’s going to be our “fighter,” and he’s aiming his weapon in opposite direction.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Lobo: Who can pick the most produce in an hour.
Who can screw in the most tiny screws on an assembly line that gradually speeds up
Who can clean the house the fastest
Baud
@zhena gogolia:
We’re all expendable.
I’m interested in seeing what Pritzger does.
Mai Naem mobile
I believe the Bunim/Murray the producers of Real World, Mark Burnett and Andy Cohen all deserve a special place in hell for popularizing this reality show garbage. I’ve always considered WWE as kiddy tv. I honestly don’t get why adults are into it. It’s fake.
NotMax
@Dorothy A. Winsor
Who can successfully navigate4 a phone tree without pressing 2 for Español?
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Geo Wilcox
Well since we have already turned one human female into an Axlotl tank in Georgia, why not set up a place to hunt immigrants like the Harkonnens hunted humans on Geidi Prime?
With all this Ai shit set to reduce humans to excess biomass, the Butlerian Jihad cannot come fast enough.
Kristine
@They Call Me Noni:
I did, too. I posted that Noem thought the movie was a documentary.
Mai Naem mobile
So do white South African Afrikaaners get to compete..I mean they should be the winners since they have the superior genes and all. Right?
geg6
@Eural Joiner:
I read that book. It’s a real eye opener. And I say that as someone who will watch Survivor and The Traitors until they’re cancelled. Very interesting history and the premise of when and how reality shows began was not something I’d ever considered. I also listened to a podcast interview she did for the book with Rob Cesternino, a former two-time Survivor contestant. Really good stuff.
Dave
@gene108: Or evil but not completely disconnected from reality or still operated under the theory that it’s possible to be TOO ghoulish fools that they were.
Betty Cracker
@Jay: I’m not convinced “flood the zone” is a deliberate and pre-fabbed strategy so much as a post-hoc silk purse made from the sow’s ear fact that Trump sprays verbal diarrhea nonstop and has said and done crazy shit all his fucking life, and well before he entered politics. And his cult, which has real power, does it too.
But even if it were true, what are we supposed to do about it, other than “flood the zone” in response? Should everyone who opposes Trump subscribe to a central clearinghouse that decides which outrage of the minute deserves scrutiny and which should be ignored lest we distract from more important issues? Who gets to decide?
Rhetorical questions, so feel free to ignore. I’m just so over the entire argument.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@Jay: Noem was on the radio Monday, like every ten minutes with a some paid advertisement were she was scolding everyone for daring to having sympathy for immigrants.
I think the show is grand idea because she is a truly an unpleasant person, and anything that increased her public exposer gives her a chance to offend more people.
zhena gogolia
Why aren’t the media investigating the cognitive abilities of THE SITTING PRESIDENT?
Ben Cisco
@Betty Cracker:
THIS PART RIGHT HERE!!!
Jay
@Betty Cracker:
Given that it’s happening all across the Admin, and it worked before, I’d say it’s a strategy.
Because of the F/N MSM, there is little we can do about it, but elected Dems can do some stuff at the State and Federal level to try to change the narrative,
But given the F/N MSM, the fact that Biden died in the spring of 2024 and the Dem’s are Weekend at Bernie-ing his ambulatory corpse around, will get more in depth coverage for months than say, the illegal and corrupt arrest and political prosecution of Mayor Ras Barkara.
George
@Omnes Omnibus:
I agree. Noem, Miller, Holman, Vought, et al. are as evil as they are allowed to get away with under the current circumstances. As their current levels of evilness become accepted as the norm, they will continue to push the envelope outward.
Glidwrith
@Omnes Omnibus: A citizen I might refrain from calling evil, but anyone in a position of power gets no grace. It’s their JOB to know what their power can do and choosing to use that power to hurt and strip rights away-EVIL.
Jay
https://www.emptywheel.net/2025/05/16/trump-confesses-migrants-arent-the-criminals-he-claimed-they-are/
Omnes Omnibus
@Glidwrith: If a citizen is cheering this on, I am sort of out of benefit of the doubt. If they don’t know, I will perhaps have more sympathy. Perhaps.
prostratedragon
Worsoff?! Oh come on now!
Baud
@Betty Cracker:
My recommendation is to endlessly debate among ourselves what the true act is and what the distraction is. :-)
That said, we could do better job focusing on things that are more likely to happen as opposed to things that are more speculative. My 2¢.
trollhattan
Cricket’s mom is really thriving out of South Dakota. Camera time, bitches!
Meanwhile, the thing you saw coming the Rs are trying to make happen.
Jackie
@Betty Cracker: Lots of outrage being posted about FFOTUS’s implied threat to The Boss upon his reentering the States. But some amusing comments as well. My favorite (thus far):
fancycwabs
I was unaware that DHS were in the TV production business. I thought that was Leni Riefenstahl’s department.
Princess
If you have to come out and say something is not Hunger Games for migrants, you’ve already lost that argument.
I maintain though that Noem is going to be the easiest to prosecute if/when this is all over.
Princess
@zhena gogolia: I’ve always been a big Murphy fan but I’ve been so disappointed with him lately. Wherever you stand on Biden, no Democrat should be giving this nonsense airtime. I agree with Betty about people who cry distraction! all the time but THIS is a distraction.
zhena gogolia
@Princess: Yeah. Really.
trollhattan
@Jackie:
Oh hell that would be an epic burn. Because it would work.
Would need to be outside DC because the Trump NPS would never issue a permit.
Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony
Crap! A tornado just hit in North St. Louis City!!!
rekoob
@trollhattan: @Jackie: Northwest Stadium (formerly FedEx Field) seats 62,000. Maybe a State Park in Maryland? I’m sure Governor Moore would welcome Bruce!
Omnes Omnibus
@trollhattan: Northwest Stadium is in Landover, MD. I am pretty sure Bruce can still fill a stadium.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@Princess:
That’ll never happen as everybody from Our Failed Press Corpse will say it’s all in the past and we just need to move forward.
Anything else would be seen as “too partisan”, particularly if it’s Dems trying to do the prosecuting.
lowtechcyclist
@Jay:
Every evil in this Administration is inherently a distraction from every other evil in this Administration.
Reminds me of the Doonesbury strip in the fall of 1971 when Doonesbury explains to Mark Slackmeyer that if he were to work himself into a rage over Kent State, his indignation over Attica would be compromised.
Suzanne
I love Derek Guy (this is a tweet, which I can’t embed, but you can go give him a follow):
RevRick
@Parfigliano: That’s the objection of the “Freedom” caucus. The cuts to Medicaid don’t kick in until 2029 and the gutting of the clean energy tax credits are phased out over several years. Meanwhile, the SALT caucus is pressing for a higher cap on state and local tax deductions. And other Representatives are complaining that the cuts to the energy tax credits are too harsh, notably Jen Kiggans. The fact that it couldn’t make it out of the Budget Committee is good news, because it means there are real rifts in the GOP House.
Captain C
@comrade scotts agenda of rage:
Jake Tapper: *Shoots a guest on his TV show*
Jake Tapper 5 minutes later when the cops arrive: “Why ya gotta bring up old shit?”
lowtechcyclist
@Enhanced Voting Techniques:
I’d love to ask her if she believes in the Bible, and follow up her ‘yes’ by quoting all the Scriptures that say we’re supposed to love the alien in our land and treat them same as we treat those who’ve lived here all along, and ask her why she is so flagrantly disobeying God.
Ben Cisco
@Captain C: (laughs in sardonic)
Omnes Omnibus
@Suzanne: And he got walkable neighborhoods in there.
Omnes Omnibus
@lowtechcyclist: The alien she loves was trying to kill Ripley.
zhena gogolia
I just unsubscribed from “Friends of Chris Murphy” and let him know why.
mrmoshpotato
I’d love to see how Obama’s and Biden’s administrations diplomatically told this deplorable piece of shit to go fuck himself.
JiveTurkin
How about the people who pitched this show participate in a reality show where they are placed in one of these Salvadoran jails they are so fond of. The one who lasts the longest can get a $1 million dollar prize.
Eunicecycle
The Supreme Court, 7-2, says Trump cannot deport people without due process! Guess who dissented.
JiveTurkin
Captain C
@Eunicecycle: I’m going to go with Justice Inquisitor and Justice Expensive RV.
Captain C
@mrmoshpotato: “Dear Mr. Worsoff: If you want to abuse people for money, there are clubs for that in various cities. You should find one.”
Suzanne
@JiveTurkin: Maybe it can be like Fear Factor and we can make Stephen Miller eat a pig’s rectum.
Eunicecycle
@Captain C: A+++++
schrodingers_cat
@zhena gogolia: What did he do now? He has been channeling David Bobo Brooks for a while now.
JiveTurkin
@Suzanne: I’d rather see a pig eat Stephen Miller’s rectum. But I suspect even a pig has limits as to what they will consume.
Suzanne
@JiveTurkin: Your solution is acceptable.
Jay
Arguing against birthright citizenship in front of the Supreme Court while at the same time pitching a Netflix show where immigrants compete for citizenship is such a perfect microcosm of America right now that it feels fake, or The Onion.
Old School
Good balance is an important part of citizenship.
They Call Me Noni
@Jackie: Wouldn’t that be something?! Wonder if any of the stations would televise it instead of the Dear Leader parade?
Omnes Omnibus
@Eunicecycle: Someone on Bluesky pointed out that those two are like the German judges who convicted whoever Hitler wanted. The only thing I would add is that some did it because they subscribed to his views (Alito) and others because they were corrupt (Thomas).
scav
@Old School: A train?
Shades of a Biden-approved socialistic form of public transportation!
Matt McIrvin
@Omnes Omnibus: It’s kind of remarkable that those two aren’t even the Trump appointees. They weren’t on board.
NutmegAgain
@Jay: I guess deportation is marginally better than having Noem haul those folks to the local gravel pit, like her dog Cricket.
Jackie
FFOTUS isn’t having a good day…
JCJ
@Lobo: Of course someone with the name “Lobo” has ‘avoid the coyotes’ on their list!
Eunicecycle
@Matt McIrvin: something else to thank the Bushes for!
Jay
Guy in Altadena won the $2 billion dollar lottery jackpot. Got $424 million after taxes.
Imagine how you would feel if you won the lottery, but are the only Billionaire being properly taxed.
New Deal democrat
A little off topic for this comment thread, but Moodys has downgraded the credit rating of the United States from AAA to AA1.
This is the second time GOP budget games have caused a downgrade in US debt.
While AA1 is still “high grade,” this will have long term consequences for things like mortgage rates, and the interest rate that the US must pay on its debt.
Steve in the ATL
@Omnes Omnibus: I have personally been present when he did.
New Deal democrat
And in News to makes your Stomach Churn, NBC reports: “The Trump administration is working on a plan to permanently relocate up to 1 million Palestinians from the Gaza Strip to Libya, five people with knowledge of the effort told NBC News.”
And there is your ethnic cleansing. Israel gets to take over the entire Gaza Strip. As awful as it is, it might be better than mass starvation, which otherwise seems like where they are heading.
rikyrah
These are the most evil muthaphuckas alive 😡 😡 😤
rikyrah
@New Deal democrat:
But but but ….
Some folks were saying earlier this week that the Orange Menace had turned his back on Israel 🙄🙄😒😒
You do understand that sending them to LIBYA is certain DEATH.
Steve in the ATL
@New Deal democrat: and the US has what standing to do anything to or with people in Gaza? Good effing G-d.
@Suzanne: for the record, I am in favor of wage growth in knowledge-intensive sectors such as law.
rikyrah
@New Deal democrat:
Destroying the American Economy 😡😡😡😤😤
Old School
@Jay:
I was curious about that tax rate.
Won $2.04 billion Powerball. Opted for lump sum, which gave him a check for $997.6 million. After taxes, likely $628.5 million.
RandomMonster
Did I just see that the Supreme Court ruled against these illegal deportations? Or is it a headline giving me false hopes on a Friday night?
New Deal democrat
@Eunicecycle:
As awful as this Supreme Court is, they really do not seem to want to green-light autocracy.
It is noteworthy that they no longer seem to be willing to presume good faith, and also that they are currently sitting on *6* “shadow docket” emergency applications from the T—-p Administration.
rikyrah
@Eunicecycle:
Due Process
Due Process
Due Process
HopefullyNotcassandra
@JoyceH: death row or no?
HopefullyNotcassandra
@Parfigliano: yes. The pain was also delayed until 2029.
Jay
@New Deal democrat:
Technically, its a concept of a plan.
In theory, the US will lift sanctions and release seized assets,
but, one part of Libya, (Tripoli) is under the control of the Recognized Government, the GNU, the other part is under control of the ruZZian backed Warlord, Haftar.
So, who’s this alleged “deal” with?
Haftar, the GNU, Kushner, Rwanda?
Princess
@New Deal democrat: I don’t think Israel is going to be offered Gaza. I think the Qataris are going to get it and that’s why the Israelis are apoplectic right now.
Eunicecycle
@Princess: and how is it ours to give away in the first place?
HopefullyNotcassandra
@Jay: this president’s favorability numbers are in free fall. Something is getting through to extremely busy Americans even if that something is simply the ever increasing cost of ground beef and eggs.
suzanne
@Steve in the ATL: I am also in favor of wage growth in knowledge industries. I am in the #fuckyoupayme stage of life.
UncleEbeneezer
@rikyrah: Cozying up with Qatar is pretty bad for Israelis. Qatar funds, supports and provides refuge to Hamas terrorists. Qatar also funds Al-Jazeera, the biggest source of anti-Israel (and often antisemitic) propaganda on the planet. Trump hates Muslims but he really has no love for Jews/Israel either. He’s a dual bigot who only dips into this stuff opportunistically when it serves his interests/ego/needs.
Timill
@Old School: I think that doesn’t include State taxes, which in California would be quite a bit.
ETA: No State taxes on lottery winnings in CA, which surprises me.
This is the breakdown.
He’s have doubled the payout by taking the annuity: $1,286,552,394 after taxes
HopefullyNotcassandra
@zhena gogolia: most excellent question. This president has difficulty staying awake in public and rarely completes a coherent question. President Biden rescued our economy from this man and made it the envy of the world. A few months into this guy’s second term and our economy is running into the sewage system once more.
zhena gogolia
@schrodingers_cat: He’s on the front page of the local newspaper saying Biden’s cognitive decline was apparent during his presidency.
geg6
@Princess:
I agree. Good to see him giving his buddy Bibi the fucking he deserves.
Steve in the ATL
@Timill: yes, it was a terrible deal to get hundreds of millions of dollars from a $2 investment in a lottery ticket!
Jay
@Eunicecycle:
There are still about 2 million surviving Palestinians in Gaza, although Israel is doing it’s best to reduce that number.
DJTdiot’s wrecking crew also said a while ago, that they were going to take over “feeding” Gaza, that never got beyond a concept of a plan and Gaza is starving.
Israel also droned a Civilian relief ship in International waters, off Cyprus, making it’s way to break the blockade of Gaza a couple weeks ago.
HopefullyNotcassandra
@Omnes Omnibus: I think an examination of the case reveals that both are corrupted by the company they keep and the large “tips” their excessively wealthy “friends” give them.
HopefullyNotcassandra
@NutmegAgain: don’t forget the poor dead goat, who died for being goat-ee
HopefullyNotcassandra
@Jackie: is there any proof of life that other funding streams Courts have ordered turned back on have, in fact, been restored?
lowtechcyclist
@UncleEbeneezer:
I hate to disagree with you, but the world’s biggest source of anti-Israel propaganda is Israel itself.
rikyrah
@UncleEbeneezer:
The only folks who were genuine about their support for Israel
ARE THE DEMOCRATS.
The right wing sees Israel as an important part of their plan to bring on THE RAPTURE.
Outside of that, they have no use for Israel.😒😒😤😡
Jay
@Steve in the ATL:
Yabbut, if he had become a Billionaire the old fashioned way by just stealing the money, he would have had to pay a tiny amount of taxes. Less than a cashier at a Waffle House.
Jay
@HopefullyNotcassandra:
No. Nor have people the Courts ordered rehired, gone back to work. In a few cases, they are still on the payroll, but are not doing any work.
Spanky
@Suzanne:
I would only watch if it was a live pig
ETA, live and free to defend itself.
Timill
@Steve in the ATL: Never worked for me :-(
HopefullyNotcassandra
@Jay: that was what I found too
So, this president is ignoring multiple court orders right now.
Jay
Gretchen
@Jay: Maddening how Noem answered the question about the kid with cancer getting deported, saying it was the mother’s choice. So you gave mom the choice of being separated from her sick kid or not being separated from her sick kid, being deported either way. That’s not a choice. The choice would be staying with the sick kid where treatment was in process, and they didn’t give her that choice, the only humane choice.
Jay
@HopefullyNotcassandra:
The whole Admin is.
Jay
@Gretchen:
What is maddening is nobody pushed the Serial Dog and Goat killer on it. At best, the F/N MSM is a bunch of stenographers, at worst, sanewashers.
HopefullyNotcassandra
It is true. The Supreme Court has by 7-2 opinion upheld our Constitutional requirement that nobody can be denied “life, liberty or property without due process of law.”
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a1007_g2bh.pdf
HopefullyNotcassandra
@Jay: No doubt.
cain
@They Call Me Noni:
Actually I was thinking more of the movie “Running Man”
Another Scott
@Suzanne: Speaking of robots …
Virginia Mercury:
There’s a lot to criticize Amazon for, but they are not waiting around for a return to the 1950s (or 1850s). They invest in new technology and in education (e.g. VT’s new campus in Alexandria.)
Best wishes,
Scott.
HopefullyNotcassandra
@Gretchen: remember always this DHS secretary lies often.
Spanky
@HopefullyNotcassandra:
“They’ve made their decision. Now let them enforce it.”
Or …
“How many divisions does the Supreme Court have?”
Too negative?
Geminid
@New Deal democrat: The US was also working on a plan to settle Gazans in Somaliland. I’m not sure if these plans are serious, or just for show with the host country acquiescing to a transfer they know will never take place. Marco Rubio said two days ago that there would be no involuntary transfers out of Gaza, and the Saudis flatly reject such transfers. So I will believe this Libya plan if and when they actually start to carry it out.
But whether or not these plans are real, the situation Gaza is going from bad to worse right now. Israel has ramped up its bombardment severely in the last few days. While they had been killing 25 to 75 people a day since they renewed fighting in March, I believe the death toll has been well over 200 each of the last two days.
Israel’s cabinet is scheduled to meet Sunday to approve the expanded ground operation they announced ten days ago. There is a slim possibility that negotiators in Doha will reach a ceasefire agreement before then. The government says it intends to occupy the entire Gaza Strip and maintain control of it indefinitely..
Questions of morality aside, this does not seem like a realistic plan. The IDF has operated in the Gaza since November of 2023, at various force levels, and I don’t think they’ve controlled more than 20% of the Gaza Strip’s 150 square miles at any one time They’ve basically mounted big raids and then withdrawn. Yet the IDF has lost 420 soldiers killed in action, and many more wounded. That is one reason why only 25% of Israelis say they want operation “Gideon’s Chariots ” to proceed, and 69% say they don’t.
So while that Libya plan is plenty alarming, I am keeping my eyes on what happens in Gaza this weekend.
geg6
@Jay:
Nice! Exactly right.
I hope the stupid book tanks.
Bill Arnold
@George:
Yeah, agreed that Vought should be added to OO’s list.
Many many people would knock on doors for candidates who ran on a complete purge of MAGA from the federal government.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@Steve in the ATL:
How about wage growth period? And not just wage growth for the usual white professional class that the Dem Party has so largely hitched its wagon to? So much of the problems we bring up go back to income inequality but golly gee, instead we have the extreme centrists of the party promoting other “fixes” that typically have the exact opposite outcome of what they’re trying to fix and that’s deliberate.
The guy referenced is simply another glibertarian-in-a-trench coat asshole who fits right in with the Ezra Broder Klein/MattY/New Liberalism/MGP clowns espousing what’s good for cosmopolitan business urbanism and is part and parcel of the Dem’s “Gentrification Problem”, which again simply marginalizes the minority working poor, organized labor and others plus keeps us open to populist attacks from the right.
artem1s
What a lovely sentence. May it be so for the next umpteenth tries as well. Let the self inflicted wounds continue. This year’s Zombie Eyed Granny Starving Award is still up for grabs guys!
HopefullyNotcassandra
@Spanky: I think that this ruling will stand. Nonetheless, this regime will, no doubt, seek some similarly legally abhorrent way to achieve its extraordinary rendition nightmare. Apparently, the sadism inherent in magas needs human sacrifice in foreign torture prisons.
Jay
@Another Scott:
They also kill their employees, but just the low paid non Tech ones, on a regular basis.
rikyrah
@Jay:
Thank you
Absolutely on point
HopefullyNotcassandra
@Spanky: not too negative
HopefullyNotcassandra
@Geminid: Apparently, some Israeli reservists are refusing to report for duty.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-lede/the-israeli-soldiers-who-refuse-to-fight-in-gaza
frosty
@Omnes Omnibus: Of course he could. Bruce filled Camden Yards last September. I was there. First line he sang: “Got a wife and kids in Baltimore, Jack.”
Steve in the ATL
@comrade scotts agenda of rage: I assume that you know that I was being facetious and that I support wage growth for all, not just lawyers?
different-church-lady
In 2005 if you told me Alito would be the “hold my beer” guy to Scalia, I’m not sure I would have believed it.
trollhattan
A Friday pickmeup: where Melania at?
“We’ve got our best men on it.”
Jay
@Steve in the ATL:
Even CEO’s?
different-church-lady
@Betty Cracker: Picking a fight with Bruce Springsteen proves he’s an idiot.
Geminid
@rikyrah: Trump has been disregarding the Israeli government’s positions in areas like sales of advanced arms to Arab nations, cooperating with Saudi Arabia on building nuclear power reactors, the Iran nuclear talks, lifting Syria sanctions and backing Syrian President Al-Sharaa– if that is what you mean by people here saying he has turned his back on Israel. It might not seem like much here, but this is like a tectonic shift for Israelis and others in the region.
So far, Gaza is the one exception to this pattern. Trump envoy Steve Witkoff told Arab negotiators and hostage families that the US won’t force Israel into a ceasefire agreement. I think we’ll see in the next 48 hours of this is so.
trollhattan
@different-church-lady:
Just want to say his podcasts with Obama were a great listen. Learned lots about both men and their rapport was splendid.
Jay
@trollhattan:
Scrap bronze can go for as much as $10.30 a kilo, so roughly 9.03 Euro’s, so the statue is worth about 6 months average wages in Slovenia.
Plus, it was ugly.
Steve in the ATL
@different-church-lady: no kidding. I’ll drink to that!
Steve +2 in the ATL
Eyeroller
@zhena gogolia: The only explanation for this that comes to my mind is that it has something to do with the recent report that Ezra Klein and David Shor were invited to provide advice to Senate Democrats. For some reason, they think that this will help with the electorate. I do not understand it. Instead of defending our President, who accomplished a lot regardless of whether he was in “cognitive decline” (which I don’t believe to be the case), what do we gain? Reagan was in very obvious cognitive decline in his second term, much worse than Biden ever seemed to be, but the Rs still worship him. Why do we always have to attack our own? No wonder the electorate sees us as weak. Even if Biden may have been in decline, he had competent people who ran the government very effectively. How is this worse than Trump, who may or may not be in cognitive decline but is surrounded by incompetents?
Baud
@Eyeroller:
Because we are.
Steve in the ATL
@Jay: especially CEOs and hedge fund managers!
Jay
@Eyeroller:
https://bsky.app/profile/capitolhunters.bsky.social/post/3lparftdghc2k
MAKING SHIT UP TO COVER UP THE STINK OF THEIR OWN SHITTING ON THE FLOOR.
Steve in the ATL
@Eyeroller: we should rename Washington National Airport after Biden
Jay
@Steve in the ATL:
Who is going to take up the cause of the poor downtrodden VC’s or Felon Husk’s compensation package?
Jay
@Steve in the ATL:
No naming any airport after President Joe Biden until planes stop falling out of the sky.
Not Newark, not Denver,……………………………
lowtechcyclist
Hey Spanky, how were things over your way this evening? We got a shitload of wind along with the rain, and four large tree branches missed the house by maybe 10-15 feet. Good thing too, because these were definitely big and heavy enough to knock a hole in the roof. Hopefully that’s all the local excitement for this evening.
Baud
lowtechcyclist
@Steve in the ATL:
Or just officially change the name back to Washington National Airport.
I’ve never stopped calling it just ‘National.’ Fuck this Reagan bullshit.
Suzanne
@Steve in the ATL: I, for one, support only enriching attorneys. I welcome our new overlords, but I suppose they get to bill us all by the hour for the privilege.
Hey, they can’t be worse than these techbro douchebags. I wonder what Derek Guy would think of their tailoring.
frosty
I’m with you. Although I’ll never fly out of there again because a) BWI is closer (hell, Harrisburg is closer) and b) the flight that ended up in the Potomac decades ago would have come down on the runway at Dulles.
Darkrose
@Jay: It should be the Amtrak station anyway,
Eyeroller
@Baud: But why? Why do we do this? Do elected Ds not understand basic psychology? Why do they/we succumb to pressure from the political press when the R’s just kick them in the nuts over and over and they ask for more? It’s possible to be “nice” without being pushovers.
I understand that, as Josh Marshall said years ago, the DC political press is “wired for Republicans,” but we should be able to push back against that rather than just folding like the proverbial cheap tents.
Steve in the ATL
@lowtechcyclist: I have used that name to gate agents and flight attendants after someone said R***** and gotten knowing winks and smiles.
So how about some relevant music?
Steve in the ATL
@Suzanne: by the hour? In your dreams! We bill in 6-minute increments.
Baud
@Eyeroller:
Elected Dems represent Dem voters and many Dem voters lack strength of character or self respect.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@Steve in the ATL:
I ApPaReNtLy mIsSeD YoUr sArCaSm fOnT. /s
Suzanne
@Steve in the ATL: DAMNIT, I knew I picked the wrong field.
At lest I have my perfect-soft-serve-cone skills to fall back on. Or OnlyFans, I guess.
Soprano2
@zhena gogolia: That’s an excellent question.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@Soprano2:
Also a rhetorical one.
Baud
So far my reddit bubble is ignoring Bidengate. That’s a +1 for now.
I’m sure the trolls and bots will start to do their their soon.
Eyeroller
@Baud: I don’t really buy that we are inherently weak. It may be related to some studies I’ve seen that suggest that liberals think their positions are much less popular than they actually are — whereas the right thinks their policies are more popular than they are. So liberals perhaps may feel they/we can’t advocate openly for our policies so we sneak around furtively and throw ourselves under the bus at the first opportunity. In any case, Ezra Klein and his ilk are not the right people to tell us what to do about this.
Regardless, we need the equivalent of Reagan’s Law “Thou shalt not speak ill of another Republican” (substitute Democrat in our case). Attacking other Democrats does absolutely no good — especially if they are out of office and have a record that is positive — and just increases public skepticism toward us.
lowtechcyclist
@frosty:
BWI is closer for me too, and it’s been well over a decade since the last time I flew out of National.
Still, National is easily the closest and most convenient airport for much of northern Virginia, which was where I was living when Air Florida 90 took its express flight to the 14th Street Bridge.
An idea I’ve had for years is that they should swap National and Andrews. Let what is now National become the home of Air Force 1 and exist primarily for that purpose, and let what is now Andrews become the major airport that National doesn’t really have the space to be.
There’s probably some serious reasons why that wouldn’t work, but I’d love to know what they are.
YY_Sima Qian
MAGAs are such f*cking ghouls.
How long before they start hosting real gladiatorial games, a la the Purge?
Baud
@Eyeroller:
“We” are the sum of our parts. If a significant part of us can’t stand up to the media or the pundits or whoever else, the rest of us being strong and confident can’t overcome that.
Jackie
@Baud: GOOD for the now former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Bridget Brink!
sab
@Steve in the ATL: Seriously? We only bill quarter hour, but then our fees are not ridiculously high.
Another Scott
@lowtechcyclist: There are much, much longer runways at Joint Base Andrews. Wouldn’t want AF-1 to end up in the Potomac.
It’s probably nearly impossible to secure DCA compared to Andrews, as well.
Best wishes,
Scott.
David Collier-Brown
Pardon the Canadian for asking, but don’t the Republicans need 7 Democrats or Independents to get the 60 votes to overcome a filibuster by the Democrats ???
Baud
@David Collier-Brown:
No. This is a reconciliation bill. Simple majority.
Jackie
Kinda amusing (and surprising) that all three of FFOTUS’s Supreme Court appointees – Justices Amy Coney Barrett, Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh – went against his demands to allow him to deport/disappear migrants without due process. Interestingly, MAGA seems only incensed about Amy Coney Barrett.
Eyeroller
@Baud: That would be our electeds, so I guess I have to concede that too many of them are weak, or, what may be indistinguishable from weakness, think that if they placate the press and get good coverage, it will help them. I don’t really know. It just seems that no amount of self-flagellation helps with either the press or the public, but they, and the apparently entrenched consultants who seem to play an outsized role in our party, ever seem to learn this.
JoeyJoeJoe
@lowtechcyclist: I live in Alexandria. I saw a tree split in half, presumably because of the storm. Looked like there were hurricane strength winds blowing the rain sideways. Power’s out by me. I know someone else was asked, but figured I’d share
sab
@sab:That’s only 10 minutes, not so much different from our 15 minutes.
My 11 year old grand-daughter has met fractions for the first time this year. I thought I would explain it through cooking, 1/2 cups and all that.
Maybe billable hours would work better. $ does focus rhe mind.
prostratedragon
Solidarity:
sab
@David Collier-Brown: We are not a parliamentary system, so they can always get a few Democrats.
Suzanne
@Jackie:
Gee, I wonder why. I’m shocked to hear this news.
It’s always a tell when people complain viciously about women and not men. It reads very “Actually, I’m very concerned about ethics in gaming journalism”.
sab
At some point Roberts will realize that his own kids, born in Brazil by an Irish surrogate, are not as thoroughly and safely American as he had hoped because off his own Court’s emerging rules. I hope they are learning Portuguese.
Steve in the ATL
@Suzanne: oh yeah. People who scoop ice cream are making mad wonga on Only Fans!
Steve in the ATL
For many of us who do business in the District, Biden National is vastly more convenient than Dulles or, god forbid, BWI [shudders]. YMMV.
Suzanne
@Steve in the ATL: I was reminiscing on an earlier thread about my time working at McDonald’s. I was absolutely awesome at making the soft serve cones. No scooping, just the right touch to make it swirl perfectly. Definitely a career highlight, I should bill by the hour for that shit.
David Collier-Brown
@sab: Hmmn: along with a shadow cabinet, the Democrats need a whip (:-))
Gretchen
@New Deal democrat: I wonder what ExPat Dem thinks of this news. He was lecturing us yesterday about how Harris couldn’t wait to bomb Gaza, and it was immoral to support her.
Interesting Name Goes Here
@Gretchen: He’s probably on Reddit spewing the same bullshit.
YY_Sima Qian
@New Deal democrat: That is the purpose of Israel starving the Gazan population, rendering it uninhabitable, and random wanton mass killing. So that “evacuation” becomes seemingly the “only” “solution”.
Who is going to take a million Gazans? Not any country in the region.
I'm not Rappaport
So very sad, Betty. And so very true.
Chris T.
@Another Scott:
Correct: the runways at Andrews (the longer ones anyway) are over 11,000 ft while the runways at DCA max out at 7169 ft. That’s too short for a 747. It’s why if you fly DCA to SFO, you must stop somewhere in between (e.g., ORD).
Fun fact: the runways at SJC (San Jose Calif) were too short for flights from SJC to Japan, so that planes had to take off under-fueled from SJC and land in OAK or SFO to fill up before continuing to NRT or wherever. (I think they’re longer now, not sure about this.)