The anti-Tesla movement is one of the most successful cases of social coordination in American history. In the span of six months the Tesla brand has been made radioactive.
This isn’t a subjective view. You can see it in the data.— The Bulwark (@thebulwark.com) May 20, 2025 at 3:30 PM
From the Bulwark, “Death of a Cybertruck Salesman: How Trump Killed Tesla”:
… Why should we care about the depreciation on a Tesla?
Because it’s part of a counterrevolution.
When Elon Musk allied with Donald Trump, he transformed his companies into explicitly political projects. Musk leveraged his wealth into political power. In turn, he used that power to carry out a revolution inside the federal government.
If you listen to the MAGAs, their revolution sounds Maoist. They want to depose the elites (researchers, academics, professionals) and create a New Man. This New MAGA Man will eschew decadent knowledge work and instead labor in glorious factories, putting tiny screws into iPhones…
How do you stop such a man? You need a counterrevolution that attacks his power structure. Which in Musk’s case is: Tesla, the company.
The anti-Tesla movement is one of the most successful cases of social coordination in American history. In the span of six months the Tesla brand has been made radioactive.
This isn’t a subjective view. You can see it in the data.
Sales of new Teslas in America have fallen off a cliff—for the first quarter of 2025 they were down 9 percent.
That might not seem like much, except that overall EV sales in the United States were up by 11 percent. Meaning that more people were buying electric cars, but even as this market expanded Tesla’s absolute number of sales dropped.
That’s hard to do…
How much has the Cybertruck cost Tesla? Reports are that Tesla is currently holding 10,000 units. That’s about $800 million in inventory that they can’t move.
There are other costs. Tesla was so bullish on the Cybertruck that it has already tooled up a factory able to produce 250,000 units a year. “They didn’t just say they wanted to sell a lot. They capacitized to sell a lot,” industry researcher Glenn Mercer told Forbes. That capacity will never be used because the Cybertruck is DOA in America, but engineered to specs that make it impossible to sell overseas.
So that’s more money on fire.
And then there are the insurance problems…
I see he's still heard of lying, however.
No way demand is back for his shit cars. What a scumbag.— Clean Observer (@hammbear2024.bsky.social) May 20, 2025 at 4:07 PM
Isaacson had the biggest story of the century, the perceived Edison of his time turning himself into Henry Ford multiplied by Charles Lindbergh with a dusting of David Duke and still gave Musk the da Vinci treatment. And he’s still at it. One of the most shameful whitewashings in human history.
— LOLGOP (@thefarce.org) May 20, 2025 at 10:10 PM
If Musk is really stepping back from politics, which we shouldn't take at face value, it doesn't make him any less dangerous, or any less worthy of a target.
— e.w. niedermeyer (@niedermeyer.online) May 20, 2025 at 8:42 PM
Elon Musk claims he'll scale back his political spending.
Here's why he might have said that: Tesla and SpaceX just saw their brand reputations crater.
Tesla was in 8th place in the 2021 reputation ranking of America's 100 most visible companies, but now is at 95th.
www.axios.com/2025/05/20/a…— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1.bsky.social) May 20, 2025 at 3:31 PM
I will read this, but what's the rip cord do, unlock the door?
A cheap window hammer can do this, too?— Clean Observer (@hammbear2024.bsky.social) May 20, 2025 at 11:58 AM
War for Ukraine Day 1,181: More Drone Swarms in the Small Hours Before Dawn
West of the Rockies
I will confess that i was a bit befuddled when you started posting routinely about Musk a couple years ago, AL. At the time he seemed to me to be a weird, slightly interesting/slightly concerning guy. But you clearly sensed something! I love reading now anything about Musk being slapped down. What a megacreep.
Old School
To save everyone a click, the rip cord unlocks the door because the doors are electric and the emergency release is hidden.
rekoob
Goodness! Where to start? Your links are helpful, and I can only add that the Autoline Detroit/Daily team (full disclosure — I know them and like them) has been on this for a while:
https://www.autoline.tv
piratedan
my bold prediction is that Elon will now buy a television production company and make a new series about a dystopian future that features these vehicles so he can write off the costs somehow. The other option is to “gift” them MAGA LEO departments and make the taxpayers pick up those costs.
NotMax
Even worse sales drop in the EU, from what I’ve read.
Perhaps in the U.S. those “refugee” Afrikaners can be inveigled into buying one.
Layer8Problem
Play stupid games with our government, our data, our safety, and government workers’ livelihoods, win stupid prizes.
MobiusKlein
My son starts at Tesla in July. Assuming they don’t yank the offer.
It’s been a bit weird supporting your kid, while opposing his employer.
SpaceUnit
There’s probably a clever metaphor to be made in which Elon is the guy trapped upside down in a burning Tesla, but I’m too lazy and tired and disinterested to make it.
kwAwk
All of this shouldn’t be as surprising to us as it is. Trump destroys all who align with him eventually. Pence, Mattis, Sessions, Bannon, Stone, Kelly, Pompeo, Tillerson, Haley, Cohen, Pecker….etc.
Trump gassed up Musk and enabled him to enact DOGE, encouraged him to create chaos and discontent and then stood back and let Elon take all of the blame and the fall. If Tesla’s numbers are indeed up, Musk would be crowing about it on X. He’s not because he would go to prison for telling lies.
trnc
I’d love for Tesla to be in trouble, but the stock is up to 340 from 225 a month ago. That’s not what I would expect for a company with sales falling off a cliff.
MobiusKlein
@trnc: Meme stocks don’t follow reason
Craig
Alex Winter! Excellent. He’s always been an interesting cat. Toying with the idea of going to see him and Keanu in a production of Waiting for Godot on Broadway.
Craig
@MobiusKlein: yeah. There’s deep pockets weirdos making bank on the swings. It’ll head south again and then rise again.
SpaceUnit
@MobiusKlein:
Yup. MAGA crazed
investorssuckers will get soaked. I’m here for it.Jackie
I’m shifting this from the previous thread, because I’m curious if FFOTUS thinks he can pit Democrat vs Independent against each other and squeak in a republican?
From old school:
My reply:
My emphasis.
Tim C
Feeling very good tonight. In the local school board election, the four members of team crazy all got thumped by 60-40 margins.
Sometimes the wins matter.
columbusqueen
@Tim C: Big congratulations!
sab
@Tim C: That’s very good news. School boards are so important. Property values and souls of our kids and our city all in one package.
cain
@kwAwk:
I can’t wait for that fucker Marco Rubio to end up homeless living in a tent city, snorting coke because his life sucks, wailing and weeping because he shat his pants and he doesn’t have any more underwear.
cain
@Tim C:
Unfortunately so far, the 3 board members we are championing are all behind. The washington county dems backed some of the shittiest candidates on the school board. I”m really fed up with them. Worthless party. It’s no wonder that our education system in Oregon is poor.
cain
I’m confused on how Elon Musk is going to fix these issues since the problem is essentially him. He’d have to jettison himself because he’s what is making the brand toxic. Nobody is going to buy his fucking cars except for Indians but I know it is losing the status symbol quickly.
sab
@columbusqueen: OT but that was an excellent meetup you organized with Ohio Mom. The acoustics were bad, but otherwise the venue was great. Inside but open air. Bustling but not overwhelmingly crowded. Glorious weather.
Because of the acoustics I had no idea what your nym was until afterwards. (Acoustics: being old I am a bit deaf in crowds so it might have just been me. I would have loved to have been able to communicate better with Ohio Dad across from me.)
I loved seeing Professor Bigfoot, Goku and Ohio Farmer all chatting away together at the other end of the table. That alone should make John Cole and everyone else at BaloonJuice proud of us at as a community.
My husband went out of duty, and thoroughly enjoyed himself.
Another Scott
@trnc: TSLA is supposed to announce (for real this time!!!) big self-driving taxi news in June. Some crazy analysts have been saying for months that that stuff is going to turn them into a multi-trillion $ company.
“Buy on the rumor – Sell on the news.”
(Not financial advice!!)
We’ll see what happens.
Best wishes,
Scott.
wjca
It might be instructive to look at how the Chinese got rid of Maoism and the Cultural Revolution. We don’t want to end up where they did. But there might be some useful ideas to grab nonetheless.
wjca
Even more than Musk, I’m pulling for it to happen to Putin. And sooner rather than later.
Socolofi
Disclosure: I have a 2012 Model S (still!) – a sub-5000 VIN. Early adopter, and still an awesome car with nicer features than most 202x cars I’ve driven. Was hoping to finally move on to the new Audi electric A6, but FU Trump tariffs.
The damage done by Musk is already done… Tesla is now the Swastikar. So all the liberal types like me who are all about EVs to avoid fossil fuels, and want something that isn’t a highway rated golf cart (looking at you, Leaf), who bought and would have bought Tesla, are hard out. Meanwhile, while some MAGA diehards will go with Tesla, there’s clearly not enough of them to make up for us. Resale value has plummeted, which further inhibits sales. Then you have things like WhistlinDiesel (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK_EJ3DyiiA) show how bad the CT is vs say a F150. MAGA folks may like to support their people but they do tend to also like a truck that can act like a truck. Finally, the random vandalism DOES actually matter. People get nervous about a car that random people will key. While Tesla doesn’t have dealers but has showrooms, they do get nervous about hippies with no money tossing some molotov cocktails. My wife is all about putting virtue signalling bumper stickers on my car to the tune of “pro-EV, anti-Elon.”
Further, most other car companies are now finally getting decent EVs. The new tariffs will dampen all auto sales in the US for a bit, but they’ll go away. So Tesla will find itself facing a bunch of competition AND being a toxic brand. Plus, as the great philosopher Shrek once observed, Musk has the right to remain silent, but he lacks the capacity. The Koch brothers didn’t create this kind of animosity. Hell, even Murdoch hasn’t.
I am somewhat curious as to how long Tesla can withstand a prolonged slump. But I don’t think the trend is reversible, frankly. It took Chrysler years to succumb finally, but once they had the reputation of the K-car for being shit, they were done. Tesla is in a way worse spot, and people are playing offense. Reap the whirlwind bitch.
kwAwk
@cain: Rubio’s career is already trash. Trump destroyed him in 2016 in a way that he will never recover from. Same for Ted Cruz.
kwAwk
@wjca: Putin is destroying Trump. Trump has made it clear that he has no stomach for war and Putin knows he simply needs to wait Trump out to get everything he wants.
Matt McIrvin
@kwAwk: That isn’t destroying Trump because Americans don’t give a shit about any of that.
ColoradoGuy
I seriously wonder if all that Ketamine has blown out Musk’s frontal lobes, beyond recovery. I’ve never heard Ketamine has long-term toxicity, but Musk is Exhibit A that it might, if you abuse it enough.
Self-inhibition: gone. Grandiosity: maxed out. Self-assessment: nothing left except a 24/7 self-promotion machine. It’s hard to separate the bizarre lifestyle of the hyper-rich from drug abuse, but there’s definitely something there that just ain’t right.
Shalimar
@Another Scott: I have read Musk’s announcements touting that Tesla’s autotaxis will be better than Waymo’s because they will be cheaper to make and thus there will be far more of them. They will be cheaper because dumbass removed the lidar from his self-driving and Tesla’s cars will never have a good safety record as a result. No one will choose to take his taxis once that reputation gets established. The roll-out will crash and burn.
Ruckus
@Socolofi:
I’ve known 2-3 people with a tesla and they seem to like the cars. Which is a shame because they do seem to be an OK vehicle. Too bad that the head of the company seems to be destroying the concept of an amazing percentage of those who desire an electric car. But not to worry, there are other companies that seem to be starting to sell electric cars that have nothing to do with tesla. And are likely better cars….. Maybe people will find out that pompous arrogance doesn’t make a person better.
NotMax
@Shalimar
Rest assured they’ll be intensively road tested for literally dozens of miles.
//
Chetan Murthy
@Ruckus: I once rode in a Model S (in 2016) and it was pretty fancy. But the Model 3? I’m 5’8″ and I had trouble sitting in the back seat, it was so tight. And that “ejection kit” shit described in the OP …. that’s just the beginning of all the ways that Model 3 is just shitty. The Model 3 is widely acknowledged to be a shittily-built car, with lots of fit-and-finish issues that have not gotten better over the years. Tesla simply hasn’t -learned- how to make quality cars: something that’s been well-known how to do for …. a long goddamn time. Let’s say, since the 1980s when Toyota, Honda, and other Japanese carmakers learned it from W. Edwards Deming.
hitchhiker
Well, I can remember when “political views” meant a person’s assessment of what personalties and policies were in closest alignment with their own.
But this asshole doesn’t get to use that sweet old American language to describe the wreckage he’s been leaving in his wake — his reward for spending $240 million to get to swing that chainsaw around.
If he thinks for one hot second that everyone is just going to forget all about the last six months, he’s going to be very surprised. We hate you, dude. And we’re never buying your cars or “trucks” in this lifetime.
Sally
I haven’t had a chance as yet to read the entire post of comments. That said, I believe Elmo couldn’t care less about the Tesla share price or sales performance. He is making a killing on his starlink, government sales, and this, I can barely get myself to type the words, golden dome (is that trump’s head?). He doesn’t need Tesla. African Governments are being blackmailed into starlink contracts, Fed Govt is buying “reinforced” cyber trucks, god knows what for, and he will make billions from GD. The corruption is certainly on a vast and great scale. And of course, he is stealing all the data. Worth billions. So, no, Tesla is small potatoes.
Ruckus
@Sally:
He cares. Tesla sales make him richer. He likes richer, likely more than anything else on this planet.
But if he destroys his brand, especially by being a political/pompous jackass – that’s on him. And him alone.
Socolofi
@Ruckus: the original Model S was mostly over-engineered to provide the “Holy Shit this is AMAZING!” – mostly due to an electric drivetrain (still awesome!) and infotainment that is basically a huge iPad. Voice nav actually works because it was Google. Nearly everything else is meh but those two alone sell the car. Model 3/Y are still good values but not as awesome
I’m in Seattle and can listen to the Oilers on CHED 880 thanks to internet radio.
Meanwhile my wife’s Volvo XC90 still can’t do voice maps to save its life – best to just try and get CarPlay to work. Sorta.
It reminds me of the first ~10 years of IPhone v everything else. Establishment caught flat footed and even when they want to copy still takes too long.
That said… when I first had it, I remember everyone taking pictures and going “oooh Tesla!” Now… oh. Tesla. :(
cain
@Socolofi: I probably got one of the first 500 Teslas in Portland. I got a Model S and I absolutely adored that car. It was like being in a spaceship. Sadly, the car got totaled but I escaped alive.
My wife got a model 3 and I got to say it was ‘meh’.
Socolofi
@Chetan Murthy: yeah.
Even without Musk’s Nazi-ism, I wouldn’t buy a new Tesla. Three reasons:
1. Build quality has gotten worse over a decade, not better. The v1 having issues is forgivable and you know what you are getting into; the fact that their are obvious defects in Plaids (Google YouTube for evidence) indicates there’s a lot we don’t see and it’s bad.
2. Bad design overrules safety. The auto-extracting handles are neat, but a safety issue as first responders can’t open the door. Musk was told this and didn’t care. Lots of other examples. Also see McConnell’s sister in law driving into a pond and drowning because the swipe direction thing is reverse of what people are used to.
3. Bad service. Year 1, red carpet treatment for minor issues. Year 8, wait for 45 minutes for a rental Nissan Maxima. I get better service at the Chevy dealer where I bought my kids’ a Chevy Sonic.
Geminid
Last week some Syria news site posted a picture of Tesla Cybertruck spotted in Damascus.
A few days later someone posted two of those “How it Started/How it’s Going” pictures. The first showed the Cybertruck driving down a busy street; the second showed it being hauled away on a rollback truck.
Ohio farmer
@sab: it really was a good time…. As people kept leaving and the group narrowed …. It became much easier to communicate…
I can’t wait for the next event!
Manyakitty
@sab: pretty sure we all enjoyed it immensely.
Thanks again for all who arranged it and to everyone who joined us. Can’t wait til the next time! (Hopefully someone quieter)
Geminid
@Geminid: European Union foreign ministers met yesterday in Brussels. Kaja Kallas, the EU’s High Representative for Foreign Affairs, announced a very important result:
The EU also threatened to move in a different direction regarding one of Syria’s neighbors. From Reuters:
EU nations have been among Israel’s staunchest supporters throughout this war, and they collectively are Israel’s biggest trading partner. Kallas put the Israelis on notice as to what they have at risk. So did British Foreign Minister David Lammy yesterday, in widely reported remarks to Parliament.
Betty Cracker
@Geminid: A CNN headline last week read, “Trump welcomed to Qatar with red Cybertrucks and mounted camels.” Maybe they’ll follow up with a story about the camels towing the broken down Cybertrucks.
Baud
@West of the Rockies:
AL sees all. AL knows all.
Geminid
@Geminid: The Times of Israel reported on David Lammy’s remarks to Parliament:
Next to the U.S. and Germany, Great Britain has been Israel’s strongest supporter throughout this 20 month war.
And Noga Tarnopolsky cited a report that as of yesterday morning, over 700 Israeli Reservists had signed a petition calling for an end to this “immoral” war. They included 8 major generals and 33 brigadier generals.
p.a.
I got an uber ride Tesla once. Couldn’t figure out the outside door handle. This is a “me” issue, not a Tesla issue.😕 In my defense, it was nighttime.
From my minimal interest level in the vehicles, what I’ve gleaned is that the motor tech has been quite good and innovative. The actual automobile build, fit-and-finish, and electronic “command/control”, interfaces, and battery safety: 💩
Baud
@Geminid:
Trump breaking with Europe might end up biting Natanyahu.
Along with gifts of planes to Trump by Arab countries.
Princess
The thing about Tesla is that it’s not just Musk — the cars are objectively dangerous. If your car loses power in a crash or a fire those kids of yours are not getting out of that back seat.
Betty Cracker
@Baud: Easy to see how the Gulf monarchies are a better cultural fit for a tacky gold-flocked grifter like Trump. They know how to put on a spectacle to flatter and impress a corrupt and grandiose rube like him. If Netanyahu is shunted aside as a result, well, at least something positive came out of our national humiliation.
Baud
@Betty Cracker:
Yeah, I expect there will be a few benefits arising out of Trump’s narcissistic transactional nature. In my judgment, they won’t come close to outweighing the costs. But there will be some people who harp on the benefits to argue how Republicans aren’t that bad.
I recall a big propaganda push to give W Bush credit for PEPFAR, which was a legitimately good thing. But he was still an awful president for the country.
What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?
@Sally: That share price is still the vast bulk of his estimated wealth. It’s underwriting his X purchase among other things. If it gets bad enough shareholders could invoke whatever morals clause is in his CEO contact and claw back every penny he has in stocks and other compensation they can go after. Then he doesn’t have sufficient collateral to support the debt on X and that goes under.
He’ll never be destitute but he might be busted down to bog standard billionaire status if Tesla fails. Starlink In Africa isn’t a path to riches. African currencies are pennies on the dollar. They can’t pay that much. Not sure where golden dome goes but I guess it’s a lifeline though one that probably gets zeroed out in a few years. SpaceX is at the whim of federal contracting. A vindictive future government could take it all away. So he’s OK there for now but in a few years there may be serious issues if Tesla tanks.
Baud
Via reddit
ETA: Comments say the win less impressive than it looks.
Betty Cracker
@Baud: Agree. Any benefit will be orders of magnitude smaller than the damage, a thin silver lining to a noxious black cloud. Like being mangled in an explosion and losing your hearing, but on the upside, you’re no longer annoyed by passing motorists’ loud, crappy music.
Geminid
@Baud: Netanyahu’s lies to Trump, Witkoff and Rubio over humanitarian aid may end up biting him. Yesterday Yedioth Ahronath, Israel’s largest-circulation newspaper, posted a story on the aid question:
Netanyahu “capitulated” to U.S. pressure Sunday when he announced to his security cabinet that aid shipments that stopped March 2nd would resume. He did not put this to a vote because he feared he would lose.
But “Bibi” thought he had a trick up his sleeve that would keep his coalition together. On Monday the Israelis let in only five truckloads of aid. His partners expressed satisfaction, but he might as well have poked the Yankees in the eye with a sharp stick. The Israelis let in 93 truck loads yesterday, but the damage was done.
From a Haaretz editorial:
Of course diplomatic damage does not compare to the suffering of real people in Gaza. It remains to be seen when that will end.
Baud
@Geminid:
I guess Netanyahu thought he was like Putin in Trump’s eyes.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@MobiusKlein: Yeah, every time I see one of these stories about Tesla cratering, I think about the engineers and factory workers who are just trying to do their jobs
Betty Cracker
Catalist analysis of the 2024 election is finally out. Excerpt of a write-up by TPM reporters Kate Riga and Nicole Lafond below. TL;DR: Dudes.
Geminid
@Baud: I think Netanyahu’s desperation to keep his coalition intact has reduced his decision-making to day-to-day tactical expedience. This has caught up to him and his nation
Ed. There’s a lot more happening that’s hard to keep up with. These are critical days.
Baud
@Betty Cracker:
So much for young people care about age.
Race and sex still rule our world.
Baud
@Geminid:
The war was going to end one way or another during Trump’s term. All we can do is hope for the least terrible result.
Geminid
@Baud: The war could have ended in late January when Steve Witkoff ramrodded the first ceasefire through over Netanyahu’s wishes. Witkoff had other responsibilities though, and he took his eye off the Gaza ball. He and Trump let Netanyahu wriggle out the ceasefire. Witkoff admittted to the hostage families later that this was a mistake.
Baud
@Geminid:
I’m jealous of the freedom Republicans get to be less than perfect.
rikyrah
@sab:
Awe🤗🤗🤗
JML
@Baud: sexism very much alive and well in America. I have to wonder if a breakthrough in the presidency would break the fever, or increase the intensity?
Certainly puts paid to the tools from 2016 who were “I’ll vote for a woman, but not THAT woman”, who very clearly will keep doing that dance as long as they can. There will always be an excuse for them to embrace their sexism, which is all it was in 2016, and all it was in 2024 too.
Kirk
@Betty Cracker:
Racism and misogyny are core principles of too many Americans.
Another Scott
@Betty Cracker: So you’re saying it was the Price of Eggs??
:-/
[Sigh]
Hot takes – “OMG! The price of Eggs!!” – are going to be the death of us all.
I’m an oldster, so I remember what a big deal it was when Clinton appointed Madeleine Albright as Secretary of State. That was a huge deal because SoS was the Serious position in the Cabinet, one that really mattered, and it showed that women were finally getting power in government. The POTUS hill for women is still very high and very long, unfortunately. But we’re getting there. I assume the next one will finally make it, but …
Thanks.
Best wishes,
Scott.
xjmuellerlurks
If you listen to the MAGAs, their revolution sounds Maoist. – Bulwark
It’s funny, but I was thinking the same thing. Yesterday I saw a short Daily Show piece on Charlie Kirk and it got me thinking of the Chinese cultural revolution. It seems that we’re getting there. During the cultural revolution anyone with any expertise was ousted from their jobs, forced to publicly repent for being educated, and replaced by true believer incompetents. It was all meant to solidify the leader’s hold on the country. The
philosophersinfluencers like Kirk seem to have replaced the little red book. I may be off a little on this, but these times certainly seem to be a particularly American version of the Chinese experience.Another Scott
@Geminid: AFAICS, Bibi and the IDF have not changed one iota in their conduct of the war. It’s been clear to me since they decided to cut the strip in half, in what, November?, early in the war, that they intended to drive everyone out and take over all the land. Either
buyby pushing people into the sea or to Egypt, or bombing or starving them. It’s clear to Bibi and the IDF that nobody is actually going to stop them; maybe slow them down a little is all.These on-again, off-again tiny aid shipments are just fig-leaves for western governments that don’t want to stop supporting Israel, but are finding it increasingly difficult to willingly ignore what Bibi and the IDF are doing.
47 doesn’t care about Gaza. He’s only having Rubio go through this stuff so that he can claim to be a Uuge Bigly Peacemaker and get his Nobel Prize to finally, finally show up Obama. And get his branded hotels and casinos in Gaza City. 47 couldn’t be more transparent about what he really wants.
It’s horrible, and will continue to get worse. I would like to be wrong.
Grr…
Best wishes,
Scott.
Geminid
Barak Ravid at Axios is a good follow here. So is Times of Israel, Haaretz, and Noga Tarnopolsky if you mess with Twitter. Al Arabiya too. And Anshel Pfeffer at The Economist is very good.
That’s where I am getting my information, plus several other sources.
Scout211
Rep. Gerry Connolly has died.
Manyakitty
@Scout211: oh shit! That’s sad news.
Another Scott
@Scout211: He was a good man, who fought for what was right and fought for his constituents in every public position he served. He has a great legacy and will be greatly missed.
Peace and comfort to Cathy and his family and all who knew, were touched, and loved him.
Best wishes,
Scott.
Geminid
@Scout211: I’m sad to hear that. I’ve known about Connally for years for almost two decades. Connally was a tenacious advocate for federal workers. He’ll be missed.
gene108
@ColoradoGuy:
Ketamine for treating psychiatric issues is an off label use. This is for people who have the money (not usually covered by insurance), and do not respond well to other traditional treatments, like meds. Treatment is a few weeks at most under strict observation.
It’s never meant to be taken long term.
brantl
@MobiusKlein:
My son starts at Tesla in July. Assuming they don’t yank the offer.
It’s been a bit weird supporting your kid, while opposing his employer.
Why in the hell is he willing to work for Tesla?
Omnes Omnibus
@brantl: He is not as pure as you are?
Barry
@trnc: “I’d love for Tesla to be in trouble, but the stock is up to 340 from 225 a month ago. That’s not what I would expect for a company with sales falling off a cliff.”
IMHO, there has been a lift from Musk being in good with Trump, and having full access to the Federal IT systems.
A Man for All Seasonings (formerly Geeno)
@brantl:best offer?
Ruckus
@trnc:
How long ago did sales drop off the cliff?
And remember that a lot of stock is bought by a few people, not everyone owns stocks. And how much does elon own?
My point is that for this company he may be the person that holds the most stock. I have no idea if that’s true but it is possible, he does seem to be a bit of a pompous, arrogant ass, especially in his concept of himself…. And he is supposedly the world’s wealthiest human. And yes he is human, although depending on your point of view, maybe not one of the better ones. I mean the very close to a nazi salute, on TV was just a tad down in the sewer of humanity….
Ruckus
@gene108:
elon seems to put himself on a shelf a lot higher up the scale than he does other humans. Maybe his concept of humanity aligns directly with the size of one’s bank account. It wouldn’t surprise me in the least.
Paul in KY
@sab: Glad it was a hit! Wish they’d have one in KY somewhere…
Paul in KY
@Betty Cracker: That could be the one good thing…
Paul in KY
@Another Scott: Just hope they are not a GQPer.
Paul in KY
@Scout211: Very sorry to hear that.
Subsole
@cain: What’s the issue? They just a bad match for the district??
Subsole
@wjca: I would argue that is happening to Russia, at the very least.
Dan B
@Socolofi: We leased Leafs for a decade and they were good cars. Now we have a 2025 Ariya which is great. The interior styling and 300+ mile range is terrific. There are lots of great EV’S in the pipeline. And the battery tech is going to be amazing.
BellyCat
@MobiusKlein: Oooh… I feel ya’. Shit….
JustRuss
Right. Into. My. Veins.
Gloria DryGarden
@Betty Cracker: camels towing the red cyber trucks..
lol