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Open Thread: Creativity Is inherently Non-Conservative

by Anne Laurie|  May 20, 202510:39 am| 139 Comments

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Lmao he's so mad that fancy artists don't like him and all he's got is Kid Rock

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— Schnorkles O'Bork (@schnorkles.bsky.social) May 19, 2025 at 9:45 AM

MAGA fads and conspiracy theories can be labelled ‘creative’, but actual creativity relies on being open to seeing things… differently. Anathema!

“Unwell” is a new sub-hed.
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— Carl Quintanilla (@carlquintanilla.bsky.social) May 19, 2025 at 9:57 AM

Pres, Gagliardi, of the ???? Federation of Musicians:
“We will not remain silent as 2 of our members Bruce Springsteen & Taylor Swift r singled out & personally attacked by the POTUS. S&S r not just brilliant musicians, they r role models & inspirations 2 millions of ppl in the US & across the??”
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— lindsay berger sacks (@lindsaybergersacks.bsky.social) May 16, 2025 at 5:35 PM

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  1. 1.

    Baud

    May 20, 2025 at 10:46 am

    He didn’t need to prep in order to bow down to Putin. It’s second nature.

  2. 2.

    Ruviana

    May 20, 2025 at 10:48 am

    My fervent desire is that roving bands of people go to t****p rallies and chant “Bruce and Taylor have more money than you.” You know that’s got to be a part of it.

  3. 3.

    rikyrah

    May 20, 2025 at 10:48 am

    @Baud: been doing it forever

  4. 4.

    JML

    May 20, 2025 at 10:50 am

    The Current Occupant craves celebrity status desperately. He needs fawning coverage and cheering crowds and like most narcissists cant stand it when other people get that and he doesn’t. It makes him crazy that he’s not loved like someone like T-Swift or Bruce are and he desperately needs to tear them down in order to make himself feel bigger.

    But rants like this make him look weak.

  5. 5.

    Seanly

    May 20, 2025 at 10:53 am

    Correct me if I am wrong, but didn’t he win? This guy is the biggest sore winner on the planet. Also, shouldn’t he be presidenting instead of sh!tposting at midnight?

    Yeah, I know that’s not gonna happen but I can still hope for some human behavior.

    Also, I don’t know if anyone else has said this, but I do appreciate that most of the links are now Bluesky and very few X. Thank you!

  6. 6.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    May 20, 2025 at 10:57 am

    @Seanly:

    Also, shouldn’t he be presidenting instead of sh!tposting at midnight?

    He fervently believes that one of the most important aspects of presidenting is shitposting at midnight.  He showed that in spades the first time around.

  7. 7.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    May 20, 2025 at 11:00 am

    That is hilarious pathetic that Trump is the most powerful man on the planet and he is losing his shit over what a musician is saying about him.

  8. 8.

    Mr. Bemused Senior

    May 20, 2025 at 11:00 am

    @comrade scotts agenda of rage: we don’t have a President of the United States right now, alas.  Trump doesn’t like the job and nobody can make him do it.

  9. 9.

    lollipopguild

    May 20, 2025 at 11:01 am

    Trump:  I am your god, you MUST worship me!!!!!!!!! Most powerful man on the planet, leader of the free world, and he is pissed aboutTHIS?   Enhanced beat me to it.

  10. 10.

    kindness

    May 20, 2025 at 11:01 am

    I’m fine if all those MAGA younguns don’t want to see Bruce’s shows.  Leaves more tickets for me to get a sweet seat.  For the life of me, I don’t know what those MAGA youth are thinking.  Do they really like Kid Rock that much?   (youth is anyone under 40.  I’m an old Boomer)

  11. 11.

    terraformer

    May 20, 2025 at 11:08 am

    *everything he does* is a distraction. This example, along with the Biden book and the seashells thing is timed to ensure that coverage spotlighting the particulars of the “Big, Beautiful Bill” (still difficult to believe that’s what it’s officially called) don’t get traction in the few outlets deigning to report on it

  12. 12.

    schrodingers_cat

    May 20, 2025 at 11:09 am

    Good for Springsteen and Swift. In India however most of sports and creative people have embraced Modi. The ones who haven’t are the exception.

    The most rabid ones are the ones who careers are flailing or are true believers.

  13. 13.

    lowtechcyclist

    May 20, 2025 at 11:09 am

    @kindness: I’m sure the younguns, MAGA or otherwise, mostly follow artists whose names wouldn’t ring a bell with most of us, aside from Taylor Swift or possibly Chappell Roan.

  14. 14.

    Belafon

    May 20, 2025 at 11:13 am

    @Seanly: He hasn’t “won” until you stop opposing him.

  15. 15.

    Omnes Omnibus

    May 20, 2025 at 11:15 am

    @Belafon: I think Seanly may be talking about that election thingie back in November.

  16. 16.

    Belafon

    May 20, 2025 at 11:17 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: I thought it was more about why Trump keeps needing to go after people. And that’s why I was implying that in Trump’s mind, there should be no opposition.

  17. 17.

    moonbat

    May 20, 2025 at 11:20 am

    Not to hit too cynical a tone this early in the day, but Trump as president is what you inevitably get when you merge your newsroom with the entertainment side of your media company. It all becomes reality TV show bullshit.

    Who does Trump have beef with today? Film at 11.

    “Trump slams so-and-so in midnight rant”

    “‘Despicable’: President called out by famous musician”

    Perfect fodder for click-baity headlines and you don’t even have to come into the office to tap out a four paragraph ‘story’ about it.

    It creates the laziest politicians and the laziest journalists. In the meantime, the nation’s government is getting stripped down to the copper wiring.

    They hated Biden because he actually took the governing part of governing seriously. So boring! Trump may have dementia but his brainless, spiteful rants are entertaining!

  18. 18.

    Jackie

    May 20, 2025 at 11:22 am

    @JML:

    But rants like this make him look weak.

    Only to us. His MAGAts roar with approval.

  19. 19.

    Belafon

    May 20, 2025 at 11:23 am

    @Jackie: The same people who are cheering that he lowered tariffs to 30%.

  20. 20.

    Jackie

    May 20, 2025 at 11:25 am

    @Seanly:

    Also, I don’t know if anyone else has said this, but I do appreciate that most of the links are now Bluesky and very few X. Thank you!

    I concur! I try very hard to not give Muskrat any clicks. If posts are linked to X, I skip past.

  21. 21.

    Baud

    May 20, 2025 at 11:25 am

    @Jackie:

    We don’t need to defer to their point of view.

  22. 22.

    schrodingers_cat

    May 20, 2025 at 11:28 am

    If Trump is a sore winner, this guy is a sore loser.

  23. 23.

    Jackie

    May 20, 2025 at 11:29 am

    @Belafon: Who are “those” people? Democrats? I haven’t read any approval by us?

  24. 24.

    Jackie

    May 20, 2025 at 11:30 am

    @Baud: I don’t think we do.

  25. 25.

    Jackie

    May 20, 2025 at 11:32 am

    @schrodingers_cat: When you link to Muskrat, please give a heads up?

  26. 26.

    WTFGhost

    May 20, 2025 at 11:33 am

    @Baud: But he couldn’t just bow down to Putin! He had to pretend to be strong and statesmanlike, and that’s really difficult for a chickenshit who pretends to have manly virtues.

  27. 27.

    Belafon

    May 20, 2025 at 11:35 am

    @Jackie: The MAGAts you were referring to. One of my high school classmates wrote a how great Trump was doing post a few weeks ago specifically referring to him lowering tariffs.

  28. 28.

    Belafon

    May 20, 2025 at 11:38 am

    @Belafon: I forgot to include “on Facebook”.

  29. 29.

    different-church-lady

    May 20, 2025 at 11:39 am

    I’m really worried either Trump or me is going to die before I get a chance to call him an asshole to his face.

  30. 30.

    Gin & Tonic

    May 20, 2025 at 11:40 am

    I’m reading that the US Embassy in Romania has not (yet?) extended it congratulations to President-elect Nicuşor Dan. All EU Embassies have.

  31. 31.

    Baud

    May 20, 2025 at 11:42 am

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Has the Russian embassy done so?

  32. 32.

    different-church-lady

    May 20, 2025 at 11:42 am

    @Belafon: The things that are most opposing him are his own demons. And they will never stop.

  33. 33.

    different-church-lady

    May 20, 2025 at 11:43 am

    @Belafon: ​Is that like when you add “…in bed” to whatever your fortune cookie says?

  34. 34.

    Jackie

    May 20, 2025 at 11:43 am

     

    “President Donald Trump traveled to Capitol Hill Tuesday morning to deliver a message to House Republicans impeding a massive bill for his domestic agenda: Stop fighting and get it done as soon as possible,” NBC News reports.

    “In a closed-door meeting with rank-and-file Republicans, Trump took aim at a bloc of blue-state Republicans who’ve been pushing for a higher cap on the deduction their constituents can take for state and local taxes, known as SALT, while warning conservative hard-liners against steep cuts to Medicaid.”

    “While Trump directed his comments at all the lawmakers negotiating a higher SALT cap, Trump singled out Rep. Mike Lawler (R-NY).”

    Said Trump: “End it, Mike, just end it.”

    The SALT Caucus Republicans are just one faction holding up the package, which seeks to extend Trump’s 2017 tax cuts, boost funding for immigration enforcement and the military and cut spending elsewhere. It would also raise the debt limit.

    A handful of vocal members of the hard-right House Freedom Caucus are threatening to vote against the measure unless they secure deeper spending cuts.
    And conservatives are demanding a lower federal match to states for recipients added under the Obamacare expansion.

    But Trump told Republicans, “Don’t f— around with Medicaid,” according to two lawmakers in the room.

    A senior White House official said Trump urged Republicans to “stick together” to pass what he has dubbed his “one big, beautiful bill.”

    The president emphasized that the SALT issue should not halt the bill and that moderates can “fight for SALT later on,” the official said..

  35. 35.

    scav

    May 20, 2025 at 11:45 am

    @Belafon: Their wives and children are likewise so very appreciative when beaten with only fists and not cattle prods. Compassionate conservatism.

  36. 36.

    different-church-lady

    May 20, 2025 at 11:45 am

    OT: the person next to me in this cafe is now speaking her bank account number out loud into her phone.

    It’s amazing she’s wearing shoes, because she’s obviously to dumb to tie them.

  37. 37.

    Jackie

    May 20, 2025 at 11:46 am

    @Belafon: Is your former classmate a Democrat who voted for FFOTUS? If so, I consider them MAGA.

  38. 38.

    schrodingers_cat

    May 20, 2025 at 11:46 am

    @Jackie: Just hover over the link, it tells you where it goes in the lower left hand side in Chrome. I am sure other browsers as well.

  39. 39.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    May 20, 2025 at 11:49 am

    @different-church-lady:

    Maybe they’re velcro-tied?

    I mean stuff like that’s invented for a reason!

  40. 40.

    Baud

    May 20, 2025 at 11:49 am

    @different-church-lady:

    Who can remember long numbers these days?

  41. 41.

    Jackie

    May 20, 2025 at 11:50 am

    @comrade scotts agenda of rage: 😂

  42. 42.

    artem1s

    May 20, 2025 at 11:52 am

    TCF is getting to that point where he’s remembering how much he hated the job last time around. None of his EO’s, cuts, attacks, and other idiocies are giving him the high he craves. Yes he’ll keep escalating. But it’s only a matter of time before he just gives up on the legislative chaos and starts attacking people, holding rallies and golfing 24/7/265 again.
    Good. I hope he’s miserable.

  43. 43.

    Geminid

    May 20, 2025 at 11:56 am

    This morning’s Republican House caucus meeting is over. Trump attempted to rally his troops around the lousy budget bill. According to veteran Capitol Hill reporter Jamie Dupree,* some are not yet convinced:

       After Trump visit, New York Republicans Lawler and LaLota say they are still not on board with the Big, Beautiful Bill.

    My Occam’s Eightball tells me those guys will come around.

    Thomas Massie might not, though. Dupree:

        President Trump attacking Rep. Thomas Massie when every Republican vote is an interesting way to to assemble a House majority for the Big, Beautiful Bill.

    I read earlier that Mike Johnson intends to for the Rules Committee to pass a rule for debate tonight around 1am, that would set up a floor vote tomorrow.

    * Jaime Dupree is a very solid reporter, I think. He posts on Bluesky at jaimedupree.bsky.social, but only a few times a week. He does his hour-to-hour coverage on Twitter. Dupree also has a Substack platform called “Regular Order.”

  44. 44.

    Geminid

    May 20, 2025 at 12:01 pm

    @Geminid: Also Jaime Dupree, from yesterday evening;

       Rep. Monica McIver D-NJ has been charged with assaulting federal agents after a May 9th brouhaha outside an ICE detention center in New Jersey.

    From what I’ve read, Rep. McIver was pushed into an agent.

  45. 45.

    Belafon

    May 20, 2025 at 12:03 pm

    @Jackie: No. I’m sure he’s always been on that side.

    As for Facebook, I haven’t dumped all of the people who I know voted for the current mess because I consider it my duty to call bull on the stuff they post.

  46. 46.

    Geminid

    May 20, 2025 at 12:07 pm

    @artem1s: I think Trump’s trip to the Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the Emirates last week may end up being his emotional high point for this term. Those people flattered him from beginning to end. Trump was living the dream, but now he’s woken up to a very different reality.

  47. 47.

    Baud

    May 20, 2025 at 12:18 pm

    @different-church-lady:

    I wonder if demons have standards and get upset when they learn they’ve been assigned to Trump.

  48. 48.

    Old School

    May 20, 2025 at 12:25 pm

    @Geminid: You can watch the Rep. McIver footage here.

  49. 49.

    JoyceH

    May 20, 2025 at 12:29 pm

    Trump’s rants against Springsteen and Swift are very clear cases of defamation. They need to sue; they can afford it. If everyone Trump defamed sued him, he’d run out of lawyers pretty darn quick. Heck, even with his crypto grift, he’d run out of money to pay the lawyers.

  50. 50.

    Chief Oshkosh

    May 20, 2025 at 12:40 pm

    @Jackie:

    But Trump told Republicans, “Don’t f— around with Medicaid,” according to two lawmakers in the room.

    Who’s gonna tell ‘im?

    Hey Donny Dumbshit, your boys ARE fucking around with Medicaid! Hell, DOGE already fucked around with it. The House dimwits are just sticking the knife in further.

  51. 51.

    RandomMonster

    May 20, 2025 at 12:41 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: I’m reading that the US Embassy in Romania has not (yet?) extended it congratulations to President-elect Nicuşor Dan. All EU Embassies have.

    I expect Trump to condemn that election as ‘rigged and stollen’.

  52. 52.

    Matt McIrvin

    May 20, 2025 at 12:44 pm

    @Seanly: Sore-winner behavior is a hallmark of the American right. As I keep saying: the “War on Christmas” panic kicked into high gear in the aftermath of George W. Bush winning reelection. Trump started talking about “deserving” a third term during his *first* term, and the reason he gave was something convoluted about Obama unfairly picking on him during his 2016 run, as if he’d been cheated out of a win he actually got anyway, so by some arcane math he deserved a double win. They cannot stay happy and always need some new reason to play the victim.

  53. 53.

    Chief Oshkosh

    May 20, 2025 at 12:46 pm

    @Old School: There is a lot of pushing and shoving, and she is pushed into agents several times. Unfortunately, she pretty clearly shoves an agent at 1:48 in that clip. That said, it’s unclear to me whether the numerous other instances of her being shoved were by crowd effect or were intentional from “suits.” There lots of white boys in suits who are shoving a lot of people, the Congresswoman included. Who were those guys? Were they from the mayor’s office? From ICE? From some other federal agency?

  54. 54.

    Kirk

    May 20, 2025 at 12:46 pm

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: I’ve found it amusing because it’s such a common trope in fantasy. The evil king/whatever goes ape-shit about some usually popular entertainer (bard, poet, whatever) who said something contrary to the EK/W’s position.

    In fantasy, of course, this contributes to the EK/W’s fall. So may we all have a fantastic life.

  55. 55.

    Jeffro

    May 20, 2025 at 12:51 pm

    @Jackie: Trump told Republicans, “Don’t f— around with Medicaid,” according to two lawmakers in the room.

    um wut

    I know that trumpov believes in magic money (aka tariffs) but hopefully one of the GOP Reps asked him exactly where the actual, real money’s supposed to come from for his ‘big, beautiful’ tax cuts for the rich if they don’t take away health care from seniors and the poor?

    maybe we can somehow tariff our way to eliminating the deficit?  crypto-mine our way to big, beautiful tax cuts??  I’m sure it all makes sense in the rancid vanilla pudding that is trumpov’s brain

  56. 56.

    Matt McIrvin

    May 20, 2025 at 12:52 pm

    @kindness: It’s heavily, heavily gender-gapped. A lot of the message is to young men and it’s that Trump will bring a world in which girls have to fuck them again.

  57. 57.

    Chief Oshkosh

    May 20, 2025 at 12:52 pm

    Aligned with the OP, I think a case can be made that Josh Marshall’s recent pieces on disease cure research getting axed fits the concept that Creativity is Inherently Non-Conservative. The link is an approved share from behind the curtain. He makes the point that Dems need to get creative in bringing the fight, and those that won’t are being way too conservative (lowercase “c”).

    talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/fight-or-dont-fight-and-take-the-consequences/sharetoken/a84bfd1a-c34b-…

    Here’s an anecdote from my reporting travels. Sen. Chris van Hollen (D-MD) is by common consent a fairly normal liberal senator from a safely blue state. Everybody gets that he scored a big coup both for himself and for the fight against immigration abuses and unlawful detention by his trip to El Salvador. I know there’s been a push from biomedical researchers and, for lack of a better word, Team Science over at the NIH to have members come over to the building and meet with some researchers who can explain just the scope of research and new cures that are being tossed in the garbage each day. Just think one of your family members may end up needing one of those cures the garbage truck picked up just this morning.

    That’s how you focus attention. You create kinetics and visuals and actions that reporters gravitate toward. I’m not saying exactly that model is the only way. Let a thousand flowers bloom. But a press release ain’t it. Do a thing that seems out of the norm, man bites dog, and draws attention to an issue in which the public doesn’t like what the White House is doing. Boost the salience, spread the word. Reps and Sens, fucking help me here? Good lord.

    But my understanding is that those emissaries have basically been told some version of, “it sounds like a bit much, a bit out there.” “That’s not how we roll.” Or, “it doesn’t fit with the comms strategy.” That is both highly surprising to me (surprising and not surprising) and deeply disappointing? What are we doing here? Are we worried that young people are getting increasingly open-minded about supporting cancer and degenerative disorders? Really? No one supports this shit

    …
    The idea that up-for-grabs voters are waiting for important signals out of a bizarre intra-party score settling over Joe Biden’s age is just such unreal bubble thinking that it beggars belief. Democrats may have gotten ahead of the public on the language they used about trans issues or DEI. But the idea that voters are waiting for signals about that rather than wanting to see people stand up for the country against the current onslaught is again just some bizarre insider/consultant circle jerk.
    For those of us who are never privy to the insider-think, we should be looking for Democrats who are willing to drive attention and find creative ways to cast even more light on things the White House is doing that are wildly, wildly unpopular.

  58. 58.

    Bill Arnold

    May 20, 2025 at 12:53 pm

    @schrodingers_cat:

    In India however most of sports and creative people have embraced Modi. The ones who haven’t are the exception.

    Does the government or its (most cultish) supporters do anything bad to the exceptions?

  59. 59.

    Matt McIrvin

    May 20, 2025 at 12:56 pm

    @Kirk: “An evil dystopia tries to outlaw or control music and is brought down by THE POWER OF ROCK” is one is the standard concept-album/rock-opera tropes.

    (But “a rock-star-like figure becomes a tyrant or cult leader and has a tragic downfall” is another one.)

  60. 60.

    Juju

    May 20, 2025 at 1:03 pm

    If you check out the Carl Quintanilla Bluesky post on the site, there is a reply to it two slots down that is so funny I spit coffee on my iPad.  I’m not on Bluesky I only check it from time to time, but the reply is worth a read.

  61. 61.

    Matt McIrvin

    May 20, 2025 at 1:07 pm

    @Chief Oshkosh:

    I think a case can be made that Josh Marshall’s recent pieces on disease cure research getting axed fits the concept that Creativity is Inherently Non-Conservative.

    Aaargh… I kept reading this sentence as being about someone axeing a Josh Marshall essay and tried to figure out what the drama was!

  62. 62.

    cmorenc

    May 20, 2025 at 1:09 pm

    @Seanly:

    Also, I don’t know if anyone else has said this, but I do appreciate that most of the links are now Bluesky and very few X. Thank you!

    X has battallions of shitposting keyboard monkeys, both humanoid and bots, instantly ready to spew mountains of noisy garbage on any attempt to discuss anything substantive that deviates from the MAGA talking points on the subject at hand.  And that’s even aside from the fact that Musk owns X and has repurposed it as a RW propaganda mill.

  63. 63.

    Matt McIrvin

    May 20, 2025 at 1:11 pm

    @kindness: …note also, as I keep saying, going by actual numbers, young men are not more MAGA than GenX men are, and I suspect the varieties of toxicity operating are actually the same as in my generation, just more online.

  64. 64.

    brantl

    May 20, 2025 at 1:12 pm

    @JML:
    4.

    JML
    MAY 20, 2025 AT 10:50 AM

    “The Current Occupant craves celebrity status desperately. He needs fawning coverage and cheering crowds and like most narcissists cant stand it when other people get that and he doesn’t. It makes him crazy that he’s not loved like someone like T-Swift or Bruce are and he desperately needs to tear them down in order to make himself feel bigger.

    But rants like this make him look weak.”

     

    LOOK weak?

  65. 65.

    Eyeroller

    May 20, 2025 at 1:13 pm

    @Geminid: Similar thing happened last time.  No “flying palace,” but remember the glowing orb?

  66. 66.

    brantl

    May 20, 2025 at 1:14 pm

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: two other presidents lost their shit about what Woody Guthrie had to say about them.

  67. 67.

    Chief Oshkosh

    May 20, 2025 at 1:19 pm

    @Matt McIrvin: Yes, a better phrasing would have been:

    I think a case can be made that Josh Marshall’s recent series on the axing of disease-curing research fits the concept that Creativity is Inherently Non-Conservative.

    But ignore my writing, use the link to go read Josh’s full text.

  68. 68.

    Eyeroller

    May 20, 2025 at 1:22 pm

    @Chief Oshkosh: This is what is driving me insane about our electeds.  There has got to be some entrenched consultant class they listen to that is completely devoid of any marketing skill or talent, and presumably also they have far too much fear of the “liberal” media.   Doing political theater isn’t undignified and voters don’t appreciate “dignity” anyway.  Voters and the public in general don’t read press releases or g*d*m position papers on a Website.  They need to be doing things that get attention (preferably while avoiding getting arrested, but that may happen also).

    One like Van Hollen will do something that gets some attention, makes some headway, then it sinks beneath the waves because there’s no followup.

  69. 69.

    Baud

    May 20, 2025 at 1:24 pm

    Good headline

    RFK Jr. demands healthier school meals as Trump cancels program that funded them

  70. 70.

    Geminid

    May 20, 2025 at 1:28 pm

     

     

    @Eyeroller: I think this trip was more consequential in terms of regional politics than the last. That 747 was the least of it, and I think Trump would have been better off without it.

    One problem for Trump is that a lot of Americans resent the Gulf Arabs for their wealth, so they’re not gonna think more highly of Trump for creating a stronger relationship with them. Defense and other companies will, but average Americans won’t. They’ll just remember the jumbo jet.

  71. 71.

    JoyceH

    May 20, 2025 at 1:29 pm

    @Baud: NANNY STATE! Or, how does RFK get away with proposing the same things Michelle Obama was vilified for supporting?

  72. 72.

    ArchTeryx

    May 20, 2025 at 1:29 pm

    @Matt McIrvin: Rock and Rule, baby.

    ETA: Mok would be a huge improvement over Trump, and the dude tried to summon a demon from the lowest levels of Hell to take out his audience because his ego demanded it, dammit. An evil Zaphod Beeblebrox.

  73. 73.

    JoyceH

    May 20, 2025 at 1:31 pm

    @Geminid: What’s weird is that Trump visited the Middle East without bothering to visit our traditional allies Israel, Egypt, and Jordan. What’s up with that? Are they not offering him a Trump Tower there?

  74. 74.

    Matt McIrvin

    May 20, 2025 at 1:34 pm

    @cmorenc: Those things are the same. The keyboard monkeys were always there, but Musk bought Twitter so he could free and promote them. That’s also what Zuckerberg meant by Facebook’s “pivot to speech”. Policies and algorithms would favor right-wing harassers and trolls now.

  75. 75.

    cckids

    May 20, 2025 at 1:36 pm

    @different-church-lady:

    ​Is that like when you add “…in bed” to whatever your fortune cookie says?

    Perhaps more like the game where you use the first sentence of a book, then add “and then the murders began”.

    ie – “In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. And then the murders began.”

  76. 76.

    Jeffro

    May 20, 2025 at 1:39 pm

    @Juju: if you’re talking about the one that uses trumpov’s own words/phrasing against him to show how insane he is…that one’s awesome

    reminds me of the guy who did a ‘report’ on current events in the U.S. as if we were seeing them happen in some third-world banana republic

    it’s a good technique for breaking through to people!

  77. 77.

    Juju

    May 20, 2025 at 1:40 pm

    @Jeffro: Yes. That’s the one!!

  78. 78.

    cckids

    May 20, 2025 at 1:42 pm

    @RandomMonster:

    @Gin & Tonic: I’m reading that the US Embassy in Romania has not (yet?) extended it congratulations to President-elect Nicuşor Dan. All EU Embassies have.

    I expect Trump to condemn that election as ‘rigged and stollen’.

    I would not bet on Trump knowing that Romania is actually a real country, not just the setting for Dracula movies.

  79. 79.

    Juju

    May 20, 2025 at 1:43 pm

    @JoyceH: Because people don’t want to be nagged by their mother but will take advice from a weird uncle?

  80. 80.

    gene108

    May 20, 2025 at 1:45 pm

    @Mr. Bemused Senior:

    we don’t have a President of the United States right now, alas. Trump doesn’t like the job and nobody can make him do it.

    Trump LOVES being president.

    It’s why he tried to overthrow the government on J6, even though he lost.

    It’s why he hints at running in 2028.

    There is nothing else in his life that’s gotten him the attention, the bribes, and adoration being president has.

  81. 81.

    catclub

    May 20, 2025 at 1:46 pm

    @Jackie: ​
     

    But Trump told Republicans, “Don’t f— around with Medicaid,” according to two lawmakers in the room.

    Because he does not know the difference between Medicare and Medicaid.

  82. 82.

    catclub

    May 20, 2025 at 1:48 pm

    @cckids: ​
     alternatively… ‘in my pants’.

  83. 83.

    Jackie

    May 20, 2025 at 1:48 pm

    @Baud: From your link:

    First-graders at John B. Wright elementary school in Tucson bounced into the brightly lit lunchroom, chattering with friends as they grabbed trays featuring juicy mandarin oranges, cherry tomatoes and butter lettuce, all grown at nearby farms that coax fresh produce from the Sonoran Desert.
    Those fruit and vegetables were supplied with the help of the federal Local Food for Schools Cooperative Agreement Program, or LFS, which was set to distribute $660 million to school systems and child care facilities in 2025, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA).

    The USDA abruptly canceled the program in March as part of President Donald Trump’s plans to gut the federal government.

    It’s a comedy show between MAGA and MAHA. Nothing more fun than jerking kids and their parents around…

  84. 84.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    May 20, 2025 at 1:49 pm

    From a congressional hearing

    HASSAN: What is habeas corpus?

    NOEM: Habeas corpus is a constitutional right that the president has to be able to remove people from this country

    HASSAN: That’s incorrect

  85. 85.

    catclub

    May 20, 2025 at 1:51 pm

    @Eyeroller: There has got to be some entrenched consultant class they listen to that is completely devoid of any marketing skill or talent,

     

    Their skill is marketing to the politicians who will pay for their services.  This may not be the same as  skill in marketing the politicians effectively to the public.

  86. 86.

    Just Some Flyover

    May 20, 2025 at 1:51 pm

    @moonbat: Paddy Cheyefsky effectively predicted this timeline 50 years ago in “Network”. I wonder if even he would be taken aback by how  merging news and entertainment played out.

  87. 87.

    Baud

    May 20, 2025 at 1:52 pm

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    HASSAN: What is free speech?

     

    NOEM: Free speech is a constitutional right that the president has to be able to imprison people for their political views.

     

    HASSAN: That’s incorrect

  88. 88.

    catclub

    May 20, 2025 at 1:52 pm

    @Jackie: ​
     

    The USDA abruptly canceled the program in March as part of President Donald Trump’s plans to gut the federal government.

    ‘plans’ is doing a whole lot of work there.

  89. 89.

    schrodingers_cat

    May 20, 2025 at 1:53 pm

    @Bill Arnold: It depends on the person. BJP has several state level ministers from the opposition parties arrested on flimsy charges. But celebrities who don’t kowtow are mostly ignored.
    But not always, arresting SRK’s son on flimsy charges and Rhea Chakraborty’s arrest for Sushant Ray’s suicide also on flimsy charges come to mind.

  90. 90.

    catclub

    May 20, 2025 at 1:53 pm

    @cckids: everybody know that Transylvania is the location for Dracula movies.

  91. 91.

    Juju

    May 20, 2025 at 1:53 pm

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: Does it have something to do with Maggie Haberman’s body?

  92. 92.

    Mr. Bemused Senior

    May 20, 2025 at 1:57 pm

    @gene108: I see what I wrote wasn’t clear.

    I mean, Trump loves the job title of President but hates the work involved.  As a result, the actual work isn’t getting done, or has been delegated to the incompetent underlings he has gathered up into his administration.

    You see something like this in large companies sometimes.  When a company is in a commanding market position it can coast along for a long time despite making blunder after blunder.  Eventually the bill comes due.  I shudder to think of what will happen to us.

  93. 93.

    Captain C

    May 20, 2025 at 1:57 pm

    @gene108: To paraphrase a great phrase I saw online:  he likes the throne, but wants no part of the desk.

  94. 94.

    sab

    May 20, 2025 at 2:00 pm

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: Are you serious? She actually said that?

    180 degrees off. Habeas Corpus is more that the president cannot do that with out due process and a hearing.

    They are learning nothing in Civics these days. She was a Reagan generation voter when young. Reagan did tell us to be afraid of the government.

    Not just evil but also an idiot.

    I can still be gobsmacked by these people.

  95. 95.

    Geminid

    May 20, 2025 at 2:03 pm

    @JoyceH: Yes, Trump didn’t stop in Israel on the way back from the Gulf States like he did his first term. This was much-noticed in Israel. Israeli commentator Iris Boker’s analysis:

        The common denominator of the news that is published is that Trump is not counting us [Israel].

    From Trump’s perspective, Israel, as a vassal, contributes nothing to the United States.

    It’s value now is as a stone Trump throws to advance his goals in the Gulf states….

    The tendency of Israeli media to treat the visit as if Israel is the main issue is amusing.

    Trump doesn’t hate Bibi or the State of Israel, it’s not emotional, it’s just business.

    Another interesting non-visit: JD Vance was planning to visit Israel today. Thst would substitute for a Trump visit. But the trip was called off “for logistical reasons,” his office said.

    There is reliable reporting though, that when Gaza ceasefire talks deadlocked and it seemed certain that Netanyahu would expand the war on Sunday, the administration thought a Vance visit would make it look like it approved of the offensive. Axios’s Barak Ravid broke this story Sunday night.

    As for Jordan and Egypt, they aren’t causing Trump the problems Israel is, but they are still “takers” in Trump’s scheme of things, while Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the Emirates are “makers.”

  96. 96.

    Layer8Problem

    May 20, 2025 at 2:06 pm

    @Mr. Bemused Senior:  His avoiding of prison or sanctions for his crimes is nice too, and super-helpful.​

  97. 97.

    Mr. Bemused Senior

    May 20, 2025 at 2:07 pm

    @Layer8Problem: yes, that too.

  98. 98.

    Redshift

    May 20, 2025 at 2:09 pm

    @gene108:

    Trump LOVES being president.

    He loves being president, but he has no interest in doing the job of president and never has.

  99. 99.

    Redshift

    May 20, 2025 at 2:13 pm

    @sab:

    They are learning nothing in Civics these days. She was a Reagan generation voter when young. Reagan did tell us to be afraid of the government.

    I suspect it’s more that she’s a bullshitter, like Trump, and doesn’t care what the truth is, only about the impression she wants to make. And in her current role, that is “no matter what the law says, what the law means is we get to do whatever we want.”

  100. 100.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    May 20, 2025 at 2:13 pm

    @Baud: @Juju: @sab: All of you give better answers than the Secretary of Homeland Security

  101. 101.

    cain

    May 20, 2025 at 2:13 pm

    @Jackie:

    The president emphasized that the SALT issue should not halt the bill and that moderates can “fight for SALT later on,” the official said..

    Only a fool would believe this.

  102. 102.

    Ruckus

    May 20, 2025 at 2:15 pm

    @JML:

    He is WEAK. And he knows it. His entire life has been him looking for adulation and respect.

    And doing every damn thing possible to throw it away.

    He got elected by people exactly like him that look at life as if it owes them everything, not realizing that they have this exactly backasswards. Life doesn’t breathe for you, you have to do that for yourself. Life doesn’t wipe your ass, or dress you, you have to do that for yourself. Now if you are physically or mentally unable to do that, that’s when you get help. But at the same time people will help you because that’s humanity. Demanding everything is bullshit. And  then some. donny wants adulation and praise for his greatness, except he’s not in any way great or worthy of adulation. Zip, zero, nada, none. adulation is earned – and he’s earned nothing in life.

    Except pompous arrogance.

    Everything else he’s been given.

  103. 103.

    Baud

    May 20, 2025 at 2:16 pm

    @Ruckus:

    Life doesn’t wipe your ass, or dress you, you have to do that for yourself.

     

    If you’re rich enough, you can hire people to do those things for you.

  104. 104.

    Another Scott

    May 20, 2025 at 2:19 pm

    Meanwhile, … Nancy Mace is apparently upset that she’s not getting enough attention…

    :-/

    We need to do everything we can to vote these MAGA monsters out.

    Best wishes,
    Scott.

  105. 105.

    jonas

    May 20, 2025 at 2:24 pm

    @Seanly:  Also, shouldn’t he be presidenting instead of sh!tposting at midnight?

    That’s kind of why he won. His voters want a pissy grandpa who spends his evenings shitposting rather than actually running the country. Otherwise he’d be just another know-it-all “elitist” politician. It would smack of effort, or something, which only luzers care about.

  106. 106.

    Ruckus

    May 20, 2025 at 2:25 pm

    @Redshift:

    He also has no concept of actually doing the job of president.

    Of course he also has no concept of actually being human, he just believes that everyone else has to adore and worship him. Who was that guy, who had a very famous book written about him and what he did to form the universe and humanity, who, by many accounts believed that we are all humans and therefore equal and wanted no adulation or worship?

    It is the worst of the worst that demands adulation because demanding it and earning it are completely, absolutely opposite things.

  107. 107.

    Baud

    May 20, 2025 at 2:25 pm

    @Another Scott:

    At least they’ve moved on from naked Hunter Biden.

  108. 108.

    Old School

    May 20, 2025 at 2:25 pm

    @cain:

    Only a fool would believe this.

    So there’s a good possibility Republican congresspeople will fall for it.

  109. 109.

    Ruckus

    May 20, 2025 at 2:29 pm

    @Baud:

    Possibly.

    But of course he could hire someone to do that. But it would have to be someone with less than ZERO humanity or even concept of it. IOW someone like him that believes that money is THE CONCEPT OF LIFE. And it isn’t. Money buys the butter for your toast, not the humanity for your life.

    Now of course some think that money is the end all be all of life. But it’s only a tool to make it easier.

  110. 110.

    davek319

    May 20, 2025 at 2:31 pm

    @moonbat:

     

    @moonbat: Trump is what you get when you a)have a dismantled information environment which, unbelievably, is by its own admission based on “vibes”; b) a decades-long assault on the Enlightenment successfully a public education system once the envy of the world; c) a political hegemony of wholly owned subsidiaries consisting in the main of capitalist thieves and their eager underlings; d) an electorate that, to a never before seen extent, can’t discern fact from fiction to the point of conflating consumption with liberty; and e) greedy cruel savage morons as a quarter of the country.

  111. 111.

    HopefullyNotcassandra

    May 20, 2025 at 2:32 pm

    Illiteracy is a growing problem in this president’s cabinet.

    For today we must ask can Kristi Noem read?

    Every Capitol Hill reporter should be asking this question today.

    If the Secretary can demonstrate her reading ability by reading aloud say the Constitution, the next question should be does she have the ability to comprehend the words she reads?

    These questions are imperative because of the answer she gave to Senator Hassan about Mrs. Noem’s understanding of habeas corpus

    “Habeas corpus is a constitutional right that the president has to be able to remove people from this country,”

    Kristi Noem answered giving rise to the above questions

    usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/05/20/kristi-noem-habeas-corpus-definition-senate-hearing/8374…

    Can Kristi Noem read?

    Can Mrs. Noem comprehend the meaning of the words that she reads?

    Another question might be did she ever see any film version of Robin Hood?  If so, did she think Robin and his band of merry men were fighting to give King John the right to remove people from England?

    Habeas corpus is the right our ancestors secured for us to not be disappeared by our government, Mrs. Noem.

    Another pertinent question is are you auditioning for citizenship in North Korea or can you seriously not read, Mrs. Noem?  Americans dearly need to know.

  112. 112.

    HopefullyNotcassandra

    May 20, 2025 at 2:35 pm

    @Seanly: this president sleeps during cabinet meetings and funerals of popes.  He angrily posts all night long.  His priorities are on display for everyone to witness.

  113. 113.

    cckids

    May 20, 2025 at 2:36 pm

    @catclub: Does Trump know that? Doubtful

  114. 114.

    Ruckus

    May 20, 2025 at 2:36 pm

    @davek319:

    Don’t forget that many humans think that the world – and everyone else in it, owe them everything for their “greatness.” They seem to forget that the world owes them doodly squat. And the world doesn’t give even one small damn if they like it or not.

  115. 115.

    Ruckus

    May 20, 2025 at 2:39 pm

    @HopefullyNotcassandra:

    Do you truly think she’d be able to actually answer that?

    Because I have serious doubts that she could, by herself, actually do that.

  116. 116.

    Geminid

    May 20, 2025 at 2:41 pm

    @cain: He’s giving Lawler, LaLota and the other SALT Caucus Republicans a “fig leaf” to hide their failure to get tax relief for their constituents. I doubt if it will help them. They promised  they would get the cap raised last year and their opponents will hang that promise around their necks in the midterms.

    A number of the 40 seats Dems picked up.in 2018 were in relatively high tax districts including in New Jersey and Southern California. I always wondered if the SALT cap in the 2017 tax bill played a part. It hit a lot of people in the wallet.

  117. 117.

    Ruckus

    May 20, 2025 at 2:48 pm

    @Baud:

    And here all this time I thought it was his first nature.

  118. 118.

    HopefullyNotcassandra

    May 20, 2025 at 2:49 pm

    @terraformer: give to the obscenely wealthy by stealing from the United States is a more appropriate title

    Kill the sick to give more to the rich works too

  119. 119.

    Matt McIrvin

    May 20, 2025 at 2:49 pm

    @Baud: The theoretically best elements of his “MAHA” initiative are just the things that Michelle Obama was denounced as a totalitarian figure for promoting.

  120. 120.

    Ruckus

    May 20, 2025 at 2:49 pm

    @JML:

    But rants like this make him look weak.

    No, they show the truth – that he IS WEAK.

  121. 121.

    Ruckus

    May 20, 2025 at 2:51 pm

    @Seanly:

    It wouldn’t be honest behavior if he acted human.

  122. 122.

    chemiclord

    May 20, 2025 at 2:53 pm

    @Chief Oshkosh: ​
      Murphy’s idea of “creativity” is throwing the entire Biden family under the bus… so maybe his brand of “creativity” isn’t always the right answer.

  123. 123.

    Ruckus

    May 20, 2025 at 2:54 pm

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques:

    What ISN’T pathetic about him?

    That is a far smaller list, so small in fact that you’d need a 10000 times magnifying glass to see it, and 4 steps above that to read it.

  124. 124.

    HopefullyNotcassandra

    May 20, 2025 at 2:54 pm

    @artem1s: I believe this fellow is always miserable.

  125. 125.

    HopefullyNotcassandra

    May 20, 2025 at 2:56 pm

    @Geminid: She also has congressional immunity.  You know the kind of immunity actually set forth in our Constitution, not the kind created by the Supreme Court to insulate a lawless president because they like his steal from the U.S. to give us tax cuts policies.

  126. 126.

    Ruckus

    May 20, 2025 at 3:00 pm

    @different-church-lady:

    He already knows he is.

    The bad part is that is what he’s wanted to be his entire life.

    Oh wait, is that why he’s been one so long…..

  127. 127.

    HopefullyNotcassandra

    May 20, 2025 at 3:00 pm

     

    @Jeffro:  This president was lying.  He knows the bill cuts Medicaid.

  128. 128.

    Professor Bigfoot

    May 20, 2025 at 3:04 pm

    @Captain C: Miles Vorkosigan. “Everybody wants Gregor’s throne, but nobody wants his desk.”

  129. 129.

    Captain C

    May 20, 2025 at 3:06 pm

    @Professor Bigfoot: That’s the one!

  130. 130.

    JML

    May 20, 2025 at 3:08 pm

    @Professor Bigfoot: Love a good Bujold quote. Might have to go re-read a few of the Miles books as a relief from all the insanity of the world…

  131. 131.

    ETtheLibrarian

    May 20, 2025 at 3:10 pm

    I have always thought that trump has always HATED that the “stars” (entertainment and sports) didn’t (and don’t) want to go to the WH while he is president because that was a major draw for him to be president (beyond the never ending need for attention). For years he saw them trot over to the WH and said I want that! And Obama brought out the stars in ways previous presidents hadn’t even managed and trump thought he would get that. But he didn’t because he is who he is. He got Nugent and Chachi and no real A-listers. He got his got his fee fees hurt because he is an insecure narcist. That he takes to social media to advertise that fact is basically him just telling on himself (and also showing he has no self-awareness at all).

  132. 132.

    HopefullyNotcassandra

    May 20, 2025 at 3:10 pm

     

    @Ruckus: Our DC reporters should ask.  Can Mrs Noem answer?  Can she read?  Right now, sadly, it appears unlikely that she is literate.

  133. 133.

    Matt McIrvin

    May 20, 2025 at 3:12 pm

    @Ruckus: They’re often the same people who get upset that the lesser folk believe they have a right to food, shelter and medicine.

  134. 134.

    Chief Oshkosh

    May 20, 2025 at 3:52 pm

    @chemiclord: THAT was your takeaway from the Marshall piece?

  135. 135.

    jimmiraybob

    May 20, 2025 at 5:11 pm

    “…and all he’s got is Kid Rock.”

    Hold on there Schnorkles, let’s not overlook Ted Nugent, the 3rd-4th rate guitarist that wrote Jailbait back in the 80’s when he was in his 30’s.

    “Well, I don’t care if you’re just thirteen

    You look too good to be true

    I just know you’re probably clean

    There’s one little thing I got to do to you”

    And then there was that time he didn’t shower for a month while shitting his pants in order to avoid getting drafted for Jungle duty in Vietnam.  A true-blue Trump/MAGA Patriot if there ever was one.

  136. 136.

    Betty

    May 20, 2025 at 7:37 pm

    @moonbat: But Jake Tapper days he has seen no decline in Trump. So, is he saying that Trump has long been this far off the rails?

  137. 137.

    dnfree

    May 20, 2025 at 10:10 pm

    @Baud: Michelle Obama wanted healthier school meals and Republicans called that socialism and worse.

  138. 138.

    moonbat

    May 20, 2025 at 10:16 pm

    @Betty: ​
     Jake Tapper is a coward, liar, and soulless opportunist. He beats up on and grifts off of Biden because he knows Biden won’t hit back and he doesn’t tell the truth about Trump because he knows that Trump is a spiteful bitch who will want revenge.
    Tapper’s reward should be late stage prostate cancer discovered right NOW. And I know that’s horrible and I don’t care.

  139. 139.

    prostratedragon

    May 21, 2025 at 1:07 am

    @sab:

    I agree with this person: it’s not ignorance, it is a calculated policy of contempt. Jared Kushner used to do this shit all the time.

    This is not ignorance. It’s perjury. She knows the correct answer. She has been coached. She thinks she is protected.

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