Trump pardoned cop beaters in his first week, so why wouldn't he pardon the clowns who tried to kidnap one of his political opponents?!
— Mike Nellis (@mikenellis.bsky.social) May 28, 2025 at 2:38 PM
The Internet Owes Gretchen Whitmer an Apology endlessurgency.substack.com/p/the-intern…
— Mike Nellis (@mikenellis.bsky.social) May 27, 2025 at 12:32 PM
Okay, I have a soft spot in my hard heart for Gretchen Whitmer… and it seemed pretty obvious that Our Savvy Major Media was pushing their Behold, Midwestern Dem woman governor sucks up to Our Favorite Preznident!!! narrative in a blatant attempt to kneecap her. But, yeah, this seems fair (and I have added Mike Nellis to my reading list):
Since the presidential election, I’ve seen a shocking number of polls showing that the vast majority of Americans—including Democrats—don’t know who the Democratic Party is fighting for. Worse, they fundamentally don’t believe that Democrats can get anything done. Whether or not that’s fair is almost beside the point now, because the political problem it creates for Democrats in 2026 and 2028 is massive. Existential, even.
Too many Democratic leaders still don’t seem to understand just how deep this trust issue runs. But one who does is Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer.
Whitmer—who, by the way, just clocked a 63% approval rating in a poll released today—is showing exactly what Democratic leadership can look like when it’s focused on results, not theater. That number didn’t come out of nowhere. It’s a direct result of her recent (and admittedly controversial) decision to work across the aisle—including with Donald Trump—to get actual shit done for the people of Michigan. And for that, she deserves her flowers now, not in a retrospective afterthought decades from today.
She got slammed online by a lot of misguided people over the past couple of weeks for working with Trump and Republicans to bring disaster relief to victims of brutal ice storms in northern Michigan and to save 30,000 jobs at a military base in her state. Some people lost their minds over the optics of a Democratic governor standing next to Trump—even if it meant helping tens of thousands of constituents.
But here’s the thing: Gretchen Whitmer understands that her job is to deliver. Not to posture. Not to play for applause from blue-check Twitter. To deliver. And in a moment when voters don’t believe that either party is capable of producing real results in their daily lives, getting shit done isn’t just good governance—it’s great politics…
This is the kind of leadership Democrats need to showcase if they want to get back into power nationally. It’s not about being afraid to throw punches—we absolutely have to fight Trump and the corruption and incompetence he brings. We have to defend our rights, protect immigrant communities, and push back against the cruelty. No question.
But we also have to deliver. Especially our governors and mayors. Their job is essentially constituent services. It’s not about climbing the ladder or launching vanity podcasts (looking at you, Gavin Newsom). It’s about waking up every single day and improving people’s lives. Period…
(*Not* my emphasis.)
Kay has a reality check for Michigan — Whitmer is polling at 63% approval, a good number, despite what happened in the Oval Office. Normies don't always think like us.
— mistermix (@heymistermix.com) May 27, 2025 at 9:43 AM
This poll feels planted so I guess Whitmer is testing the waters for a presidential run. Still, she is quite popular – compare to Newsom at 46% and Pritzker at 50%.
For me, it’s a reminder that my personal preference for an approach to Trump may not be the best politically – Whitmer is at 90% with Michigan Democrats despite that (disastrous, IMO) appearance with Trump.
Normies aren’t like us.
I honestly miss Kay and MisterMix, but I respect their choices.
Trump pardon attorney taking “hard look” at defendants convicted of plotting to kidnap Gov. Whitmer. The effort to rewrite history and normalize political violence continues.
www.detroitnews.com/story/news/p…— Barb McQuade (@barbmcquade.bsky.social) May 24, 2025 at 8:45 PM
Michigan is showing the nation how to put aside our differences and unite under a shared value: We want to get things done.
I will work with anyone who shares that sentiment. Michiganders don’t want petty fights. They want food on the table and money back in their pockets.
— Governor Gretchen Whitmer (@GovWhitmer) May 28, 2025
Sparks of Light In the Dark
Baud
I’ve said before and I’ll say again, I have no idea what will work, and most people are not like me.
ETA: My only rule is don’t punch inside the tent, I’m not talking about honest disagreement and debate.
Melancholy Jaques
Whitmer’s popularity in Michigan & approval rating when she is not running for president don’t mean anything. Cf. Hillary Clinton’s approval rating before the Repubilcans started attacking her because she was running for president.
I am sorry if I sound like I’m hating on Whitmer – I do not dislike her at all. We don’t put aside our differences with Trump, he doesn’t share any values with us, and our fight with him & MAGA is not fucking petty! (He screamed)
BellyCat
This. Not sure I understand how we Jackals got to “this” but, whatever…
ETA: Needed not is some kind of pedantic logorrhea. Saw it in real time. Not our finest moments.
Marc
@Baud: I have no idea either, but it seems like it’s time to being doing something other than more of the same old ideas. What kind of future do the Democrats want to lead us towards and how will it happen?
hoytwillrise
Tariffs will not bring back auto manufacturing jobs, why pretend Trump is ‘right’ in any way ?
Baud
@Marc:
And what is the “same” we should avoid?
Melancholy Jaques
@Marc:
Or the way I like to put it, Who are the Democrats? What do they stand for?
Marc
@Baud: Oh, I don’t know, thinking that the economic system is working fine, and with just a bit more regulation everything will be cool?
Baud
@Melancholy Jaques:
We stand for the search for good messaging.
Archon
Is there a correlation between popularity as governor and viability as a Presidential candidate, especially in a primary?
I don’t remember anyone critiquing her treating Trump as a normal President as bad politics in Michigan.
Birdie
@BellyCat: honestly, I don’t. They both seemed incapable of self-reflection in a way that was really grating for me.
Baud
@Marc:
I just don’t think enough people feel that way. But I have no problem if someone wants to try it out and see if it works.
Baud
FWiW, I saw a poll on Reddit that Andy Bashear is also really popular in KY.
John Sterling
I remember when Biden promised he’d get “bipartisan support” on his bills. There was no end of jeering that he was hopelessly naïve. Okay, so he didn’t exactly get everybody doing Kumbaya. But he did get bills passed with both party support. He didn’t get much credit, unfortunately. But maybe Whitmer is off the radar of those out to smear progressives.
different-church-lady
Which nobody here seemed to mention at the time.
zhena gogolia
@John Sterling: People on here were slamming Whitmer and writing her political epitaph.
Archon
@John Sterling:
In hindsight I’d define Bidens entire Presidency as “hopelessly naive”.
Marc
@Baud: Seriously, we’re heading for a major shift in job categories on the order of what happened during the Industrial Revolution, and everything will just hum along, no more than a few non-entities will end up on the streets?
By the way, I’m not exactly saying that any of this AI stuff is, in fact, all as intelligent as we are supposed to believe, but they’re selling to CEOs, not me.
zhena gogolia
@Archon: And this is how we now have Trump again. I guess people were asleep for four years.
Baud
@Marc:
I have no idea what will happen. But I have seen no evidence up till now that enough people are interested in a message that promises to reform the economic system, except when it comes to making it less diverse. I think such a message from our side would have the effect of frightening people, who are wary of change.
By 2028, with everything Trump is doing, who knows?
Trivia Man
Fun story today – trumple thin skin took a question about a TACO stock rally. Trump Always Chickens Out.
he went wild. People need to cluck at him in public and hold up tacos as he passes by
Tony Jay
Yeah, I very much miss Kay and Mistermix. Huge losses to the blog.
Marc
@Baud: We’ll put the wheels back on and speed tape everything together, and make it bigger and better than it was before the vandals got hold of it. Not much of a winning message, given that the vandals won twice.
Baud
@Marc:
I’m not going to argue about what will work because I don’t know. Someone just needs to do it successfully. I’m beyond being convinced by words.
Miss Bianca
@Tony Jay: I miss Kay. MM not so much.
BellyCat
@Tony Jay: Upvoted
ETA: MM, also, was “thought provoking” in an aggressive sort of way that worked for me.
schrodingers_cat
OT I colored Koi and more Koi
Marc
@Baud: I’m not arguing either, just asking, what the hell might work under these circumstances? Someone here must have some imagination…
Baud
@Marc:
I think it’s hard for regular folks to be objective. Everyone knows what they’d like to see.
schrodingers_cat
@zhena gogolia: Self anointed progressives and media betters have shitty political instincts and they are best ignored.
stinger
So that “disastrous” opinion turns out to be pretty wrong — like really, really wrong. Trying to get out from under the wrongness by calling a poll “planted” doesn’t help. Few polls aren’t, and these numbers are spectacular.
WaterGirl
@Tony Jay: I miss you when you’re not here!
stinger
@schrodingers_cat: Lovely!
Jay
@Marc:
So far, Software start up laid off programmers, “hired” AI to do much of the coding. The result was garbage, buggy code that did not work. Tried hiring back programmers, but word was out. Startup went bankrupt.
Customer Service Company, laid off 40% of their Customer Service Staff, replaced them with AI to handle the digital services. Did not work. Now desperately trying to hire their CS people back, but you know, “people don’t want to work anymore”.
Just two off the top of my head. There are more, many more.
schrodingers_cat
@stinger: Thanks!
Anyway
i don’t remember that, must have missed it. Newsom is by far the winner of the Most Hated D Governor (pol) here — Cuomo might give him some competition soon.
schrodingers_cat
@Marc: What new economic system are you proposing?
Tony Jay
@WaterGirl:
I’m always here. I’m just creepily silent most of the time. My therapist says I should try for ‘enigmatic’, but I know my limitations.
To be honest, I’d rather say a lot, infrequently, than burble the same rote chorus thread after thread after thread.
Scout211
@Miss Bianca: I think both Kay and MisterMix are exactly where they should be. Both have so much to contribute but neither reacted well to their opinions being questioned or objected to. And we all know that commenters here can be loudly opinionated and argumentative at times and it’s best if you can let some comments roll off your back.
Now they have a good platform that fits them well. I do read some of their posts there and appreciate their opinions. But I’m happy they found a home that fits them.
Another Scott
We’re a big tent, and we should expect that leaders can and will tailor their message to their electorate.
What works in Flint, MI probably isn’t going to be what works in Beacon Hill, MA. (And this is why trying to have some perfect bumpersticker slogan is doomed to fail and a waste of time. We need lots of bumperstickers – not just The One.)
Smart politicians know how to read their electorate and their voters.
And what’s necessary to win quite often isn’t a 1:1 mapping of what policies we or they want to enact. [ Insert my often told observation about Jimmy Carter’s race for Governor in 1970. ]
“Just win, baby.” – N. Pelosi
In 2025, 2026, 2028 and going forward, as long as the Republican Party is insane, the thing that matters most is having large enough Democratic majorities to repair the damage, move forward on making things better for normies and not-so-normies (;-), and keep the monsters out. I welcome polka dot dogs, as long as they vote to have Democratic leadership. Eyes on the prizes.
Big Democratic majorities won’t necessarily quickly give us the liberal utopia that many of us seek, but they will make things better and move us forward toward that more-perfect Union.
Thanks.
Best wishes,
Scott.
Josie
@Scout211:
Excellent comment.
Omnes Omnibus
You know who else knew that his job was to deliver, not to posture? Joe Biden. And here we are with a posturing fascist in charge of our government. It makes one think.
Citizen Alan
@Marc: i would like to hear someone hear at least attempt to give a coherent explanation of what Democrats are supposed to do in the face of the fact that the majority of the house and senate, the entire Executive Branch, the majority of the Judiciary, all of the major opinion leaders in the media, and the 40+ percent of the electorate who are unabashedly white supremacist literally want us to die. At this point I genuinely worry that any democratic politician who actually starts to make traction, leading up to the next elections wiill get disappeared!
Matt McIrvin
@Trivia Man: taco trucks on every corner!
Soapdish
@Matt McIrvin:
I will never not be mad about this.
Professor Bigfoot
@Citizen Alan: I’d like to hear that, too.
Something beyond “DO SOMETHING!” and that perennial favorite, “FIGHT!” would be nice.
karen gail
@Citizen Alan: I agree with you; we have proof of just how far those in power are willing to go. I don’t believe things are going to change through elections since we know that money rules and buys politicians and elections.
Sadly, when a country or empire reaches this point it takes a revolution to change things. As long as so many are willing to do anything to keep white men in power this country will continue to turn back the calendar and take away rights from anyone not white male.
Personally, I find revolting the number of white women who willingly support white males who basically want to once again women as powerless as slaves. They don’t care just as long as they see others hurting and can wallow in their enjoyment of cruelty. I saw and still see Phyillis Schlafay as the patron saint of these women; she ranted about women’s place in home while she toured the country, had live in help and nannies for her children. Yet, she presented herself as shinning example of stay at home housewife.
Marc
I worked in the software industry 50+ years, this is the second AI boom/bust cycle I’ve experienced first hand. There is the “AI” that people use to justify trillion dollar valuations, then there is the stuff that works well enough that one can just start seeing how it might be used. The latter won’t make anyone rich, but it will be around long after the former are forgotten. Anyone still remember Lisp Machines, Inc., The Connection Machine, Prolog, etc.?
Omnes Omnibus
That conclusion leads to very bad places. I would say we should work our asses off to avoid going there.
schrodingers_cat
@Omnes Omnibus: This talk of revolution is unhinged. However, the people who find talking on the phone intimidating and voting onerous are not going to form the revolutionary vanguard.
lowtechcyclist
@Melancholy Jaques:
1, Inclusiveness. We’re not throwing anyone under the bus. We’re not going to beat up on one group in order to win over the members of another group.
2. Widely shared prosperity.
IMHO, the Biden Administration did a good job on #1, and did far more than I’d have expected they’d be able to on #2.
Steve LaBonne
@Soapdish: Well I have a really good taco (and other Mexican food) stand practically on the corner so eat your heart out. ;)
Steve LaBonne
@lowtechcyclist: Exactly. We are not FTFNYT and need to goddamn well stop pretending that Democrats haven’t been doing anything. Some of the self-destructive behavior on our side really amazes me.
Steve LaBonne
@Omnes Omnibus: It’s mighty hard to find examples of violent revolutions that made things better.
Eyeroller
@Scout211: Regardless of what I think of Kay and Mistermix, I miss the old days of blogs and blogrolls when people could make their own blogs with their own opinions and we didn’t rely on algorithms to suggest to us what we should read, but would get recommendations from other humans. So I’m glad they have set up something for themselves.
WaterGirl
@lowtechcyclist:
That’s really it.
lowtechcyclist
@Omnes Omnibus:
Maybe it makes you think. It makes my brain want to to short-circuit.
Biden accomplished one hell of a lot in his four years. But one would never have gotten that impression from the media, and that was the problem IMHO.
dnfree
@Omnes Omnibus: Unfortunately apparently we need delivering AND posturing.
lowtechcyclist
@Omnes Omnibus:
Seconded.
Marc
@Citizen Alan: I’m happy to say what I’d like to see happen, but I know I’m on the fringe. There need to be some basic ideas around which one can even start to organize a coherent opposition. What does the Democratic Party represent? How about starting with an unequivocal statement that the Democratic Party:
– We respects the rights of all persons in the US to receive due process before incarceration, deportation, or expulsion from the US.
– We will not sell out the interests of the American people to a few oligarchs and glorified ad salesmen, we will make sure the wealthy pay more than their fair share until equity is re-established.
– No one should ever be allowed to accumulate enough wealth to threaten the entire political system.
Ohio Mom
@Miss Bianca: That is my feeling as well. MM stirred up a lot of sh*t. He kinda reminds me of the culture of LGM.
Kay sometimes got into an argumentative mood — I thought of it as her getting her lawyer on — but it always passed like a summer storm. And she’d left the blog before and came back but I guess not this time.
Kay has inside knowledge of my state’s inner workings, which I can’t get anywhere else. I especially miss that.
Eyeroller
@schrodingers_cat: I am extremely gunshy about running a woman again, even a white woman. I don’t think I will live to see a woman President. Just too much sexism in this country. So Whitmer’s approval rating (was that just in Michigan? I didn’t check) doesn’t really matter IMHO.
People will vote for a woman for less-powerful positions like Governor or Senator (and of course Representative) but there’s clear evidence that in this country a large fraction will not vote for a woman for President. Too many think the head of state needs to be “tough” and “strong” and protect us from all those other scary countries. Funny how such a powerful country is so scared, but if one thinks about it, it may not be that strange–when a group has more resources, perhaps more than their share of resources, they become distrustful of others.
cain
@lowtechcyclist:
Yet in this timeline – Biden is accused of being a traitor because he didn’t share his health issues.
Even better, you have Jake Tapper comparing it a bigger than Watergate cuz he has a book to sell.
Watching the GOP slam this man and call him names while he’s fighting a treacherous life killing disease just shows how far we’ve gone down in this country and how half this country has no empathy, honor, or wisdom.
cain
@Eyeroller:
We should just keep on putting a woman as a candidate. Fuck them. Let them run Trump again for a 3rd time.
Eyeroller
@cain: It’s not about “them,” it’s about the electorate.
Ohio Mom
@lowtechcyclist: I would add, Democrats take a pragmatic approach to policy.
For one current example, since the data shows that providing health care to people makes them ready and able to work, we provide health coverage. It seems obvious to me that this is the most effective approach since sick people are not very hireable, and taking too many sick days is going to get you fired.
Versus the wildly unpragmatic and expensive approach the Republicans have adopted, work first if you want health coverage. And if you can’t work because you got sick, sucks to be you.
Ohio Mom
I’m with the No more women candidates please group.
Even John McCain couldn’t drag a woman over the finish line. Yes, she was a doozy but lots of VPs are less than stellar. Thinking here particularly of Dan Quayle and Mike Pence. Oh yeah, JD Vance too.
Geminid
@Ohio Mom: I thought Kay was a very perceptive analyst of what she saw firsthand. That was a lot; she knew the conditions of white working class people because she sees them in her legal practice. She cut through a lot of the projection people here make about that group.
Kay also reported well on another significant part of the Republican base: the professional class. Again, she knows those folks firsthand in her professional life.
And Kay has a lot of hand-on experience with Democratic party work, more than all but a few people here. She also pays a a lot of attention to issues of women’s health and autonomy.
I clashed with Kay a lot, but it was mainly over national Democratic politics, and later over the Gaza war. I always thought she brought a lot of value, especially in the areas she knows firsthand and/or studies intensively like women’s rights. So I was sorry to see Kay leave.
chemiclord
At the end of the day, Whitmer played to her audience. Much like Sean Fein, the head of the damn UAW did, yet no one seems to be dragging the damn labor leader who gave the same damn mouth noises. I wonder why…
(Actually, I don’t wonder why for a second. It’s called misogyny.)
Union workers (and union voters) wanted to hear that Trump’s tariff nonsense could bring jobs “back home.” Whitmer (and Fein) basically said, “Yes, if these steps are followed, and these actions are taken, it could lead to an increase in manufacturing jobs in the United States.”
And then lefty social media lost their minds, even as it didn’t take a genius to use some reading comprehension and know that neither Whitmer nor Fein actually thought Trump’s plan could work. But it was the performative politics that one of Whitmer’s key voting blocs wanted to see Whitmer at least pretend to entertain. Which she did.
Gin & Tonic
@Marc:
Yes.
Ohio Mom
@Geminid: I can second all of that. I learned a lot from Kay.
zhena gogolia
@Ohio Mom: I guess you think it “passed like a summer storm” because she didn’t target you.
schrodingers_cat
@zhena gogolia: Yep. She would pick on me constantly looking for a fight. There was a time, I think it was before the 2020 primaries when she was actually one of my favorite commenters. But that was a long time ago.
Ohio Mom
@zhena gogolia: Oh, Kay can be quite the pit bull but it seemed to me that when the thread was over, she let go and didn’t bring it to a new thread. Mister Mix on the other hand, always seemed to be perserverating on whatever.
That entire argument about trans rights was a microcosm of the larger debate occurring everywhere. With as destructive results.
Kayla Rudbek
@Marc: it’s absolutely crap at doing legal research as well, as it makes up/hallucinates fake legal citations, which the judges and their clerks catch. (“Perpetuating a fraud upon the court” is the formal phrase).
My one-sentence summary of generative AI is “we have taught the computers how to steal and how to lie.”
The Butlerian Jihad is going to be led by the judges and lawyers at this point.
dww44
@Melancholy Jaques: I so agree with you and with this post..
WaterGirl
I miss both Kay and mistermix, and I am sorry both of them are gone.
I agree that with Kay the arguments weren’t personal, and she didn’t bring the last argument to the next one, which I greatly respect. Some of you may see it differently, and I didn’t agree with all of Kay’s positions, but I also respect that Kay stood her ground when challenged.
mistermix has a knack for seeing things that others might not. Sure, he stirred some shit, and that’s not my style, but I’m not sure that shit stirring in small doses is such a bad thing.
If only the perfect people stayed on Balloon Juice, it would be a lonely place, indeed.
sab
Went to an excellent town hall today by Emilia Sykes. Main topic was Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. Lots of information. Good turnout.
dww44
@WaterGirl: Great and enlightening comment. Thank you.
strange visitor (from another planet)
in my experience, kay didn’t like being called out for lying. she also would refuse to stop lying even AFTER being called out.
IMO, that calls into question pretty much everything else she wrote.
chemiclord
@WaterGirl: The big issue I saw with mistermix was that he got extremely up in his feelings when being told to check his privilege.
When pretty much every black commenter is telling him, “Dude. Knock it off, your white is showing,” and his answer was to continually double down told me that either the commenters were going to leave, or he was.
In the end, he chose to leave, which was probably for the best.
meander
Want to buy an alternative weekly newspaper in Lansing, Michigan? Lansing City Pulse is for sale, to the right buyer. It would be a chance to influence thinking in a swing district (MI-07) in a swing state.
Sally
@Gin & Tonic: oh yes – you’re speaking my language(s)!!
Jackie
I miss Kay, and her passion for her beliefs. I hope she’s lurking and pops in once in awhile, if nothing more.
Marc
@Kayla Rudbek: What “Big AI” is selling right now is crap. They went completely off on the wrong tangent, overspent on hardware as they were moving too quickly to optimize their code. They will crash and burn as there is no current justification for their ridiculous expenditures in this area.
What I’m finding is that there are already lots of niche areas using open source versions of these tools for image/video upscaling, captioning in multiple languages, along with generation. You don’t just give these tools a single prompt, you usually have to create a node-based pipeline to control the process, then feed specific prompts as needed.
Likewise, coding models are being oversold for building ridiculously complex systems. Since that was my main interest, I was surprised at how well something like Qwen Coder does at producing short snippets of correct code for obscure APIs on obscure architectures. It’s like having an assistant that will look up the relevant documentation and search Stack Overflow, then provide a suggested piece of code. Sometimes it takes a couple of prompts to get it right, but it works fine with 20 or 30 lines of code at a time, as long as you can recognize the occasional weird mistake.
None of this stuff is really ready for prime time, but the way many people work is going to change dramatically in the next decade. Just not the way Sam Altman or Elon want to think.
RevRick
@Baud: I find this search for Democratic messaging maddening. It’s looking for the one weird trick that will solve all our political problems, and frankly that’s ridiculous.
What makes it even more ridiculous is the fact that we already know what the Democratic message is. But all too often we overthink it and complicate it.
Democrats believe in treating all human beings justly.
Democrats believe that caring for the environment is caring for human welfare.
Democrats believe there is no real freedom if people are constantly forced to live on the thin edge.
Democrats believe that forced belief is not belief, it’s tyranny.
How hard is it to say these things over and over again? How hard would it be to hammer Republicans in contrast?
New Deal democrat
@lowtechcyclist:
I really appreciate *all* of what Biden accomplished. Especially with razor thin majorities in the House and Senate.
But on his ****NUMBER 1 ****** priority – keeping T—p out of the a White House – he was an abject and total failure. Because he could not bring himself to believe that the Sacred American Constitutional Institutions [genuflecting] could fail.
But they failed miserably.
And for that, I do not forgive Joe Biden.
chemiclord
@New Deal democrat: And how, exactly, could Biden have “stopped” it? By arresting him? Dude already has 34 felony convictions. His supporters didn’t care. The non-voters didn’t fucking care.
Garland could have had Trump in shackles on Jan. 21st 2021, and do you know how much it would have mattered on Nov. 5th 2024? Jack fucking shit.
You can’t legislate yourself around a shitty electorate. And you can’t law your way around a shitty electorate, either. By November of 2024, a plurality of Americans were going to vote for Donald J. Trump, come hell or high water, and there’s fuck all Biden could have done about it… other than what he did, the job as best he could, and hoped that would be enough to convince the idiot masses that they didn’t want to go back.
Well, the idiot masses did, and nothing was going to sway them.
New Deal democrat
@chemiclord: wrong.
Jackie
@New Deal democrat:
WHAT did you expect Biden to do? We ALL KNEW what Trump planned to do if elected… And, yet, here we are. The majority voted him in anyway. How is this one man’s fault?
satby
@strange visitor (from another planet): Correct.
@chemiclord: also correct.
No one needs to miss them, go read them at the new joint. Where they trash the commenters here often.
siddhartha
I miss all those “missing” contributors from whom we could have learned but Kay’s racism and transphobia encouraged their silence. Could we please stop valorizing people like that? and that too by Fps, which is precisely what eorlinn initially wrote about? It makes those of us hurt by so-called allies feel invisible: your personal enjoyment is not more valuable than our lives. And having people like that in our midst contributes to the culture we live in and its devastating harms.
Please gain some self-awareness of the privilege that reeks from these statements. And its effects on others who would like to feel like full-fledged members of this community.
zhena gogolia
@siddhartha: thank you. I am personally hurt by these comments by frontpagers
O. Felix Culpa
@WaterGirl: I do NOT miss them and your comments are hurtful to those of us who were trashed by them, whether personally or as a member or ally of an “out” group. Kindly try to listen to those of us who have spoken up on this issue multiple times, otherwise one might conclude that you are in willful disregard of the people they attacked and hurt.
@siddhartha: Thank you. Spot on.
satby
@siddhartha: word, as us olds say.
AWOL
Never saddle up with those who ride on Nazi coattails. Leads one to Nazism, no?
I’m done with collaborationists.
BTW, that other blog that’s being referred to here is an anti-BJ tire fire. One commentator makes 90 percent of the comments, a la many a LG&M egotist.
Paul in KY
@Baud: He is! He would win a 3rd term if he could run.
Paul in KY
@Tony Jay: Agree. Didn’t agree with them all the time, but enjoyed reading their opinions.
Paul in KY
@Tony Jay: How about ‘inscrutable’ also too?
Paul in KY
@schrodingers_cat: Ha! Well said!
Paul in KY
@Steve LaBonne: I think France got better for awhile (until Napoleon went on his conquerfest). That only shows how horrible the Bourbon monarchy was, though.
Paul in KY
@Eyeroller: I think (sad to say) that we need to run a dude in 2028.
Geminid
@AWOL: Only a few of Mistermix’s commenters run Ballon Juice down. It’s mainly just one, and his characterizations of people here are so strained as to be self-discrediitng: “…the usual crowd of libertarians in trenchcoats….the usual group of priviledged white people…” (spoiler alert: he’s a priviledged White person). At this point, I just laugh.
It’s a little cconcerning, though in that for all our differences– and they were very bitter by the end– I still want Mistermix’s blog to succeed. But if it does, it will be despite the commenters trash-talking this blog and the people here.
brantl
@Archon: except suspiciously he got all that shit done. What a surprise! Do you pay any attention at all?
brantl
@Steve LaBonne: I thought the French revolution made things better and it was a quintessentially violent revolution?
brantl
@dnfree: ding, ding ding we have a winner!
brantl
@Marc: we will make sure the wealthy pay more than their fair share until equity is re-established
Bad phraseology, “ their fair share” Is appropriate and adequate
brantl
@strange visitor (from another planet): I don’t remember Kayla lying about anything that wasn’t a difference of opinion, and therefore not a lie.
brantl
@New Deal democrat: oh, so well reasoned!
Feckless
You’re so f****** stupid. You think she made a deal with Trump? That anyone makes a deal with Trump?
He’s a thief. He doesn’t make deals he lies
There are no Trump deals. There is only theft. There will be no jobs. This thing will fall apart if bet $1000 that Selfridge does not have “30000” jobs in a year and that tRump et al will have grafted all allocated tax funds. I’m glad she’s at 63% now. Let’s see how it is in 2 years.
chemiclord
@New Deal democrat: Compelling argument, you fucking moron. Time to get pied, you ignorant sack of shit.