If you're feeling bad about your life choices, remember that there's a woman in this world who not only married Stephen Miller, but she left him for Elon Musk.
— soonergrunt (@soonergrunt.bsky.social) June 1, 2025 at 12:01 AM
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i swear to god, if naziferatu’s wife is leaving him to go be a sister womb donor in the chief weeb for boers technocommune, i may need to find a church to go repent in
— GOLIKEHELLMACHINE (@golikehellmachine.com) May 28, 2025 at 9:02 PM
As a descriptor, Naziferatu is *golden*.
Major media speculation about a threesome seem to have appeared first in Wired, back in February: Elon Musk’s Takeover Is Being Aided by a Trumpworld Power Couple – Stephen and Katie Miller—he’s “the prime minister,” sources say; she’s DOGE’s comms guru—liaise between the White House and Elon Musk, and are centrally involved as he tears the government apart.
If you find the idea distasteful, do not go brlow the fold…
so Musk out and he’s taking Stephen Miller’s wife with him? do I have that right
— post malone ergo propter malone (@proptermalone.bsky.social) May 28, 2025 at 8:52 PM
From a widely shared BlueSky thread:
All of this would be funny in and of itself, but the (published!) DC rumor mill also has Stephen and Katie Miller in a torrid polycule situation together, so now it very much looks like Stephen tried to use his wife to honeypot Musk into compliance, but managed to lose his wife to Musk instead…
Obviously this is all speculation rooted in circumstantial fact and gossip. But what gloriously damnlng circumstantial fact and gossip it is
Miller's marriage undergoing a rapid unscheduled disassembly, like so many things in which Musk is involved.
— (CMDR) Alan Crowe (@alancrowe.bsky.social) May 29, 2025 at 1:35 PM
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I forgot that Katie Miller, who wed Stephen five years ago, was Mike Pence's press secretary at the time. So she's not exactly a stranger to betrayals and infighting in the inner circles of the MAGA movement.
— Brainspore (@brainspore.bsky.social) May 29, 2025 at 1:13 AM
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I am going to laugh so hard if this sparks an actual rift between the government and Musk, or Trump fires Miller for getting in the way of what the money man wants. Either way it counts as a win.
— Robert Hill (@vonotar.bsky.social) May 28, 2025 at 11:32 PM
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this is a black eye delivered by someone who can’t throw a punch and Stephen Miller’s wife just left him for Elon Musk
also Stephen Miller is left handed
probably unrelated pic.twitter.com/HCKfsYABML
— Kristi Yamaguccimane (@TheWapplehouse) May 30, 2025
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All of this talk about Elon Musk and Stephen and Katie Miller is making me throuple 🤮 in my mouth
— Jay Jaffe (@jayjaffe.bsky.social) May 30, 2025 at 2:40 PM
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She is 100% sleeping with Musk
— Rude Law Dog (@esghound.com) May 29, 2025 at 1:25 PM
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Whatever's going on with Stephen Miller, his wife Katie Miller, and Elon Musk is between the three of them, Musk's army of baby mommas, their personal assistants, Trump admin staffers, various fertility professionals, high value donors, and the D.C. press corps.
It's really none of my business.— Charlotte Clymer (@charlotteclymer.bsky.social) May 29, 2025 at 12:55 AM
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When the whistle blows, and the work day's done, that's when Elon knows: it's Miller time.
— Greg Olear (@gregolear.bsky.social) May 30, 2025 at 10:00 PM
War for Ukraine Day 1,194: The Day After
Reboot
There are no words.
SpaceUnit
Blowflies and centipedes have sex lives too.
This shit is only slightly more disgusting.
Chetan Murthy
@SpaceUnit: Compared to the abominations these excuses for human beings perpetrate on innocent humans, both American and not-American, what they get up to with each other is almost comically anodyne. I mean, what do I care what configuration of bodily fluid exchange they get up to? Compared to their depredations of poor AIDS sufferers who are deprived of antiretrovirals, that shit is just “ho hum same shit different day”.
SpaceUnit
@Chetan Murthy:
Yeah, I’m just happy they’re not fucking farm animals and posting the videos online.
But of course we’re only six months in.
Gloria DryGarden
Naziferatu. (Glorious wordage.)
sex with that smirking man, eeww. I’d prefer he were not classified as my same species. Is that so much to ask?
The news articles and in-depth understanding pieces were a solid scroll in my blue sky feed earlier today, so depressing.
More and more difficult pieces, news pieces like rubble piling up. What a day.
If I had patience, I’d go to the geography page there, but it’s half in French, and some days I just can’t read French cognates and try to guess, so I’ve resorted to other people’s poetry to spark ideas and pretty imagery. I suppose I could look at cats, or ecology, or birds. Some luck with the poetry.
all this news is for the birds…
Ten Bears
I’m gonna’ take your word for it and skip right to comments
Flippantly, it might be, but I don’t really have anything to add
Substack has an “AI” problem, which of course to a Mad Scientist is an opportunity for observation and analysis. An opportunity I’ve taken to “engage in conversation with” one or two. Hardly a statistically valid population but nonetheless coupled with like observations elsewhere I’m about to call it a theory: it’s true, they can’t connect Americanisms. Canards, cliches and Olde` Wives’ Tales. Yoda, talk like, really messes ’em up
Almost as much fun as hunting trolls in the old days ..
Oh, and ATA: on the one hand I really don’t want to know; on the other karma is looking at those guys some years ago and thinking to myself “She’s gonna’ get’cha” Laugh Out Loud
Chetan Murthy
I live in hope of more black eyes, and visible scalp injuries. But more than anything else, I live in hope of videos of Uber-Unter-Fuhrer MIller’s crying jags. It would be too much to ask for that he tries to jump off the balcony of some DC hotel and is conspicuously rescued by firefighters or some shit. But hey, we can always dream.
And of course, I am in panting anticipation of Madame Miller’s Twitter videos demanding that Elon pay up the child support he owes. That’d be some must-see TV, that shit.
Gloria DryGarden
@SpaceUnit: if they do, I’d rather not know about it. I only want to know about legal rulings that stop them and set up repair.
do I have to write to Santa about this wish? Or, the um, tooth fairy?
Gloria DryGarden
@Chetan Murthy: careful
so glad we have a late night thread tonight.. thank you!
montanareddog
Sinister in two senses of the word, then
SpaceUnit
@Chetan Murthy:
@Gloria DryGarden:
I mean, I assume these people are in fact boinking farm animals, but I’m just glad I haven’t been exposed to the actual videos.
montanareddog
@SpaceUnit: As far as we can trust online gossip, Skum is boinking nothing, due to an implant gone wrong; which is why this immigrant uses artificial insemination on his seraglio of baby mamas.
I wonder what attracted Katie Miller to an impotent, drug-addled mega-billionaire?
SpaceUnit
@montanareddog:
Pretty sure I really don’t want to contemplate any of that. I’m down to my last barf bag.
Suburban Mom
@montanareddog: The mega-billionaire part?
columbusqueen
@montanareddog: Not to mention that rumor has it that Musky views actual sex as too time-consuming, which is another reason he much prefers AI. Casanova he’s not; God forbid he needs to please someone else.
NotMax
Romance roulette.
Leona Anderson, Limburger Lover.
;)
Gloria DryGarden
@columbusqueen: I fear you may be precisely accurate.
NotMax
@montanareddog
Ruth Brown, If I Can’t Sell It, I’ll Sit On It.
:)
Bruce K in ATH-GR
@NotMax: I misread that as “Limbaugh Lover” and my gag reflex almost popped something in my still-healing incision.
On the other hand, those three, plus many others, should really make arrangements for a face-to-face conversation with Rush Limbaugh.
ETA: and after clicking the link and listening for thirty seconds, I need an analgesic. Again.
Gloria DryGarden
On a serious note, I’m tracking how many communities have had, in recent months a “too close to home” experience with ice, or political /hate/ violence.
I’m close to Boulder Colorado, which I used to drive to several times a month, where I studied, and used to have many social and recreational activities..so that bombing of peaceful protesters On the mall there shook me, sunday.
and I’m not sure where that actor was murdered in front of his husband, but also all the places where ice has kidnapped and detained people.
I think I need a map w push pins. It’s starting to be quite a few places, where communities have experienced the strange takedown and illegal actions going on. Boston, San Diego, I’m not keeping up. People seem to be still acting like it’s happening over there to other people we don’t know, unless we know people whose jobs have been affected, as so many have, here.
I’m asking myself what actions would be effective. It’s very troubling…
Gloria DryGarden
@Bruce K in ATH-GR: ascension on the lawn at some well off peoples estates and properties…if only fantasies would help.
NotMax
@Bruce K in ATH-GR
#18 may be more up your alley.
As the saying goes, “Try it, you’ll like it.” ;)
montanareddog
@NotMax: Not previously familiar with the tune and enjoyed it very much – thanks
What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?
How fucked up do you have to be to choose Stephen Miller as a spouse, and then here come Naziferatu and you think even better!?
Also Naziferatu… you’re an immigrant and on the outs with the administration and so what do you do on the way out the door? Abscond with the wife of the guy in charge of kicking out all the immigrants. Smart.
columbusqueen
@What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?: To clarity, the Nazi vampire is Miller, not Musk.
Baud
It’d be cool if Miller got pregnant, and there was a big public fight about who the father was, and then she gave birth to a black baby.
#WhyNot
Nukular Biskits
@Baud:
KNM: That’s the Evilest Thing I Can Imagine
Baud
p.a.
You know the expression when a married couple are both horrible people: at least they’re not ruining two marriages. ?
This is 🤢
Glory b
Stephen Miller’s uncle.
His family is originally from Johnstown PA, and they remain Democrats.
He is a hypocrite because his family emigrated here from the Pale of Settlement, where they were subsistence farmers & laborers, had to leave family members there after immigration to the United States was restricted, they perished in the Holocaust.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gEO3Eoqq0Tc
Princess
Miller changed her Twitter banner photo to a Space X rocket blasting off. They’re schtupping.
TONYG
I’m pretty sure that Stephen and Katie Miller care about each other about as much as they care about any other humans — that is, not at all. It’s not as though these are people with normal human emotions. They deserved each other, and now Katie deserves Elon.
TONYG
@montanareddog: Most likely the word “billionaire” is the entire explanation for Katie’s “attraction” to Musk. What I don’t know, however, is how much Elon actually pays his baby-mamas. If Musk is anything like Trump, he never pays his bills.
Dorothy A. Winsor
Oh, like now we have to click
prostratedragon
@NotMax: Love that album title.
lowtechcyclist
“Miller’s marriage undergoing a rapid unscheduled disassembly” – that had me laughing all too loudly just now.
NotMax
@prostratedragon
Truth in marketing!
‘;)
Shalimar
@Baud: If you’re running an IVF center, that would almost be worth the lawsuit and going out of business. One little mistake with the sperm samples could lead to heart attacks for so many evil people. Because I know she has three children now, but I refuse to believe Katie Miller has any interest in sex with men if Stephen Miller and Elon Musk are the partners she chooses.
Shalimar
@TONYG: Reporting has been that Musk pays $2-3 million up front and also provides housing in his space village if they choose.
Princess
When Musk dies, dividing his estate is going to be a huge battle with all those kids by different baby mamas. It will be Howard Hughes all over again. You just know he doesn’t update his will. Same with Trump actually.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
I suppose it should be no surprise that weird men attract drama queens.
Matt McIrvin
@Shalimar: Nah, think of the children.
Shalimar
@Princess: I get the opposite vibe from Musk, that he updates his will frequently to give it all to whichever 1 or 2 kids he thinks love him most at the moment and specifically disinherit all the rest by name so there is no doubt that they didn’t measure up.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
Well the rummer it was the Treasure Security who punched Musk in a fight in the White House
Baud
@Enhanced Voting Techniques:
That sucks. I really don’t want to like Bessent.
sab
@Shalimar: That assumes that he believes that he will someday die, like lesser people. His parents are both alive, so he hasn’t had that mortality wake-up call.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
Actually, you know what would be peak weirdo – since Musk is so upset that the Biggly Beautiful Bill is going to undo all of Musk good work with Dodge that Musk attacks Trump.
RevRick
@sab: When both parents have died, nature pats us on the head and says, “You’re next, sweetie.”
YY_Sima Qian
I missed this when the poll 1st came out, so not sure if it has been posted here before, but wow:
Here is a summary from Finbarr Birmingham:
Not surprised that perceptions of the PRC have recovered from the pandemic induced lows, & support for Russia has only hurt its reputation in Europe. Also not surprised that the US’ reputation has cratered in the age of Trump 47. I am surprised & dismayed that perceptions of Russia is recovering, though still net negative.
The Index is compiled by Alliance for Democracy, whose Chairman is Anders Fogh Rasmussen is a former chief of NATO & Prime Minister of Denmark, committed Atlanticist, Russo-skeptic, & who no one will accuse of being a “Panda Hugger”.
Princess
@Shalimar: Im sure he regularly threatens to disinherit one or the other. But I’m with sab. His parents are still alive and he’s too much of a narcissist to accept a world that goes on with him not in it. There are probably texts and emails with conflicting promises and threats and it will take decades to sort out.
SFAW
Because I’m Old, and (once again) Not Aware of All Intertubez Traditions, I am trying to understand Katie Miller-Musk’s reply to Tim Walz (i.e. “@IfindRetards”). Is she calling Walz a “(s>Retard” (which apparently is once again an acceptable [for the MAGAts] epithet)? Or is it something else?
I mean, she seems pretty disgusting even without that one, but I am always trying to learn new things, but anything that makes me hate those mofos is a mixed “blessing.”
Related: with the “Naziferatu” thing, I’m trying to figure out an (additional) appropriate new moniker for Miller, something that plays off of “Count Orlok” or “Max Schreck.” Maybe “Max [as in “maximum”] Schrecklich”? (Although TFG’s entire Maladministration deserves that description.) I’m sure the jackal wordsmiths can come up with something appropriate.
ETA: And I’m in moderation? I’m guessing it’s because of the R-word.
montanareddog
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: an image search of Miller and of Bessent indicates that the former is indeed a southpaw but the latter, right-handed. I am still inclined to think it was the cuckold that gave Musk the shiner.
SFAW
Related to my (in-moderation and now apparently deleted) previous comment at 51:
With the “Naziferatu” thing, I’m trying to figure out an (additional) appropriate new moniker for Miller, something that plays off of “Count Orlok” or “Max Schreck.” Maybe “Max [as in “maximum”] Schrecklich”? (Although TFG’s entire Maladministration deserves that description.) I’m sure the jackal wordsmiths can come up with something appropriate.
montanareddog
@SFAW: Count Morlock?
SFAW
@montanareddog:
Not bad. Thanks. [Although in fairness, the morlocks were the working class, which is not an association I would make with Naziferatu.]
schrodingers_cat
Am I the only one who doesn’t care?
Baud
@schrodingers_cat:
Nope. I’m only hoping it works out to our advantage at some point.
ETA: I don’t mind the mocking of them. But I’m not interested in their personal lives.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@montanareddog: Do consider it’s not impossible that it was Miller who traded in his current Tropey Wife for the latest model and not she left him.
prostratedragon
Jacksonville Pride
cmorenc
@Princess:
But if said promises are not written into the will, properly executed, they mean nothing legally enforceable. At most, would-be challengers could prove intent to revoke a particular edition of Musk’s will, in hopes of being cut in under the laws of intestate (i.e. will-less) succession.
cmorenc
Obviously, Ivy League and would-be Ivy League Universities such as Duke (Miller’s alma mater) have no screen against admitting noxiously toxic characters – see this video Miller’s own high school classmates in Santa Monica, California made about him. Seems he was already quite a jerk when he ran for student body president in high school.
Gin & Tonic
Those waiting for another shoe to drop in Ukraine should check out the Kerch bridge this morning.
Belafon
@schrodingers_cat: I’m not making life decisions based on the relationships between those three. I am making life decisions based on the actions of two of those three who are still actively involved in the government in bad ways.
rikyrah
Good Morning Everyone 😊 😊 😊
prostratedragon
Thomas Edsall, “[🤡]’s ‘Nihilistic’ Crusade Against Harvard Is About Much More Than Harvard,” archive.ph link to NYT. Bottom line:
Baud
@rikyrah:
Good morning.
prostratedragon
@Gin & Tonic:
Hey, now!
Harrison Wesley
What a fascinating story. Now I’m psyched for the National Geographic special on the sex lives of mescaline-addled turtles.
TONYG
@cmorenc: There are middle-aged people in this world who never got over their high school drama and obsessions. Stephen Miller seems to be one of those people.
UncleEbeneezer
Men, there’s a woman who has romantic interest in not just Stephen Miller, but also Elon Musk. This proves that no straight man has any reason to whine about how there’s no woman out there for him. If these two monsters can both find someone, you can too.
Jeffro
I hope to be able to follow the chaos of each of their post-mortem estate chaos through my champagne-soaked haze
Belafon
@UncleEbeneezer: Somehow, my uncle kept finding women who would marry him, and I never understood how. He was lazy and angry at the world.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@UncleEbeneezer: Just being alive and male over 50 is enough for that. The men start dying in their 50s and lot of lonely widows.
It’s funny, when I was in my twenties, the typical reaction from a woman was “ewww, it’s a man” and now in my 60s it’s “OMG, It’s a MAN!”
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@schrodingers_cat:
Heh heh, nope.
But, all this coverage is telling. It generates clicks and eyes and all that shit that Our Failed Corporate News Media so desperately wants to maintain stockholder value.
They didn’t get this with Biden obviously.
And, of course, it’s a reminder of what the shithead CEO of CBS said back during Hair Furor’s first (mal)administration about how much money they make off this crap. He said the inside words.
Which then helps explain why the press gives them passes all the time. They want this crap to be front and center because it sells. It’s a parallel to the “if it bleeds it leads” mantra of local-yokel news.
YY_Sima Qian
Conservatives everywhere stuck living in their own bubble:
mapanghimagsik
@Gin & Tonic:
That’s great news. They keep demonstrating that if they wanted, there’s not too many places in Russia that can’t hit, and surprisingly, are leaving civilian targets alone.
artem1s
@Baud:
good for those who are non-binary I guess. but did it have to be X? that letter is forever tainted as far as I’m concerned. Not to mention it is commonly used to denote ‘female’.
Scout211
Since we are all speculating here (and it would irresponsible not to) I would hesitate to agree that we are talking “romantic interest” here. Being attracted to power and money is not that romantic but is a powerful attraction (especially for woman who don’t feel powerful themselves) throughout history and even in current times.
And for another wild speculation, I have wondered if the White House and Stephen Miller have assigned Katie as a spy or as a control on Elon and his billions and they are all in on it, spreading false flag rumors of trysts and throuples to distract the media and Elon’s handlers. She was assigned to him at DOGE from the beginning so that has been her role for months. Maybe this is an extension?
It really would be irresponsible . . .
Joey Maloney
@Chetan Murthy: Miller seems like the kind of mollusc who will just secrete another layer of protective bile, rather than display his anguish in some dramatic fashion.
Almost Retired
@cmorenc: My oldest son’s law partner went to High School with Miller at Samohi. Miller was more or less universally loathed and mocked. He reveled in his own dickishness. He was trying to own the libs before it was cool, I guess.
MagdaInBlack
@Gin & Tonic: Just saw that. Guess they have more cards to play.
Gloria DryGarden
@artem1s: in math, x is your first variable or unknown.
From algebra onward, x is your friend and companion, and you know you will find out about x by doing the math. It holds a place. I reclaim x back from some billionaire social media- why did he even rename it?
I don’t disagree with your other correlations to x,I just offer this reframe.
y, by the way is only there if you need to solve for two variables. You can take that to have implied undercurrents of meaning…
they could use n, instead, might allow for a range of meanings, and might be better. Non binary, non traditional, not gonna say, none of your beeswax… I haven’t tested this w spanish to see if it could fit.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@Almost Retired:
So of course he went to Dook to refine that dickishness.
Back in 85-88 when I got out of grad school and went to work for naval intelligence, I first came into contact with Dook grads.
Because jobs were scarce, home interest rates were in double-digits, they couldn’t find “real” jobs like they thought they would get coming out of Dook so were in the gubmint.
They, to a person, hated it. The most insufferable, douchebags in the work place back then were the Dook grads who felt it beneath them to be working where they were.
I didn’t really understand the loathing of the school and the people coming out of it by Univ of MD grads figuring it was simply sports rivalry or something.
Then I started working with them and that changed quickly. It left a lifetime impression.
So it’s no surprise that America’s* Favorite Himmler is a grad.
*77 million voters.
PS: Any Dook grads here who take offense, oh well, maybe you slipped thru the indoctrination cracks there.
Gloria DryGarden
@YY_Sima Qian: I can’t seem to extrapolate what this means. Any idea what I’m missing.
Also what form does conservatism take in s Korea? Is it authoritarian, or theocratic, or into voter suppression and bigotry? Clearly they will have some different flavors than in the USA.
Are they fighting misinformation? Are they being hacked by Russians to interfere in their elections?
Gloria DryGarden
@MagdaInBlack: that was a nice blow up…
it’s good to have heartening news, some positive successes for Ukraine.
Baud
@YY_Sima Qian:
I suspect that’s not too far off from what would have happened here if Dems had done “more” as some people argue. My guess is that Trump still would have won.
...now I try to be amused
@TONYG:
Which makes me grin ’cause Miller looks like he was born middle-aged.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@mapanghimagsik:
It’s not surprising. It’s a smart, strategic decision.
Hitting civilian targets is basically state-sanctioned terrorism that can trace some of it’s roots back to strategic bombing theory that was enacted during WWII. The idea was to bomb a country’s civilian population into submission.
It *never* works. In fact, in this case, it would be counter productive because Pootin cold then use it as internal propaganda to keep support for the war going.
But not doing that, Ukraine is letting the blood drain of actual military casualties make the civilians at home move along the “war weary” path. It’s taking a long time to work and might not ever work given other condition affecting the conflict.
kindness
It’s wrong to wish terrible karma on others. However I don’t think that applies to wondering. I wonder what the US would look like 6 months after Stephen Miller kills Elon in a jealous rage and goes to a supermax prison for it? It would look fabulous!
YY_Sima Qian
@Gloria DryGarden: The right wing in South Korea has gone the full GOP/MAGA route, wallowing in the toxic soup of nativism, xenophobia, authoritarianism, Christian fundamentalism, liberal/left punching, & conspiracy mongering. Even the shocking autofolge by the right wing President Yoon, rounded condemned by establishment politicians across the spectrum, an impeachment of the President in question by the Constitutional Court, total discombobulation among the righting wing camp leading up to the election, as in all conditions that had failed to materialize post-Jan. 6 in the US, could not prevent a close election, where the left wing candidate had been widely expected to win in a landslide (which should have suppressed the right wing vote).
When the right wing diehards marched in their tens of thousands in the streets of Seoul protesting the “persecution” of Yoon, they waved stars & stripes, chanted support for Trump, & railed against the left wing as traitors & puppets of North Korea & the PRC. These all should be disturbingly familiar to Americans.
Right now, we should not take for granted that any liberal democracy anywhere is “safe”, “exemplary”, & unthreatened by slide toward illiberalism & authoritarianism.
Baud
@YY_Sima Qian:
Did the right over perform or the left not come out?
SK has one of the lowest birth rates in the world. That had to be setting right wingers hair on fire there just as it is doing here, where the US birth rate isn’t even as low.
YY_Sima Qian
@Baud: I haven’t seen the exit polls. However, the young male demographic has been rapidly trending right wing (& chauvinistic) in recent decades, which isn’t helping w/ the total fertility rate, either.
Pervasive anxiety from Kim the 3rd w/ nukes & increasingly capable military, as well as the rapidly rising industrial/technological competition from the PRC, are contributing to the inclination to prefer “strong men” by the right wing.
Baud
@YY_Sima Qian:
People are weak.
Thanks.
Captain C
@montanareddog:
She wouldn’t have to boink him as she has done at least 3 times (presumably) with Naziferatu.
Gloria DryGarden
@YY_Sima Qian: jaw dropped.
christian fundamentalists? I thought people were mostly Buddhist, or ancestor honoring.
using USA as a role model, and don taco.. it’s weird. Just strange.
Ghost of Joe Lebling’s Dog
@RevRick:
This is the ending of Walter Newman’s screenplay Harrow Alley (set in London during the Great Plague) :
dnfree
@Gloria DryGarden: There are a lot of Korean Christian churches around the Chicago area and I assume in other metro areas as well. Just anecdata.
Edited to add that the book and TV series “Pachinko” features a Christian family and the names of those characters are clearly biblical.
Marc
I’m more familiar with Japan than the ROK, but the problem appears to be about the same. First young women, then young men, rejecting the gender roles that they had been forced into in the post-war years. Not only are birth rates down in both countries, but the marriage rates are down even further.
chrome agnomen
@schrodingers_cat: you are not alone.
Paul in KY
@comrade scotts agenda of rage: I hate Duke.
Paul in KY
@Gloria DryGarden: Is a great step up from the days of Syngman Rhee
Paul in KY
@kindness: Or Elon kills him. Win win either way.