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Who needs health insurance as those tax cuts will stop your heart attack

by David Anderson|  June 4, 20255:24 pm| 48 Comments

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From CBO:

• 11.8 million lose coverage due to One Big Beautiful Bill provisions

• 16M fewer w/ coverage in 2034 when incorporating the 4.2M expected coverage loss from expiration of enhanced ACA subsidies

That's a 57% ↑ in # of uninsured compared to June 2024 current policy projection

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— Loren Adler (@lorenadler.bsky.social) June 4, 2025 at 3:08 PM

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  1. 1.

    Ohio Mom

    June 4, 2025 at 5:38 pm

    Sigh. The ACA was the closest we’ve ever gotten to joining the rest of the developed world by providing our citizens with universal health coverage. But it was accomplished by Obama and the Democrats and that cannnot stand in the Trump/MAGA world.

    I call my Republican Senators every couple of days to yell Don’t cut Medicaid! and to explain what Medicaid means to Ohio Son and it puts me in a foul mood. It reminds me of how angry and scared I am.

  2. 2.

    Baud

    June 4, 2025 at 5:44 pm

    They’re only people.

  3. 3.

    Old Man Shadow

    June 4, 2025 at 5:45 pm

    Yeah, but the price of eggs…

  4. 4.

    Professor Bigfoot

    June 4, 2025 at 6:00 pm

    They will kill their own grandchildren to make sure “the undeserving” get nothing from American citizenship.

  5. 5.

    Lyrebird

    June 4, 2025 at 6:11 pm

    @Professor Bigfoot: Didn’t a TX politician straight-out say that back in the height of the pandemic?

  6. 6.

    Professor Bigfoot

    June 4, 2025 at 6:13 pm

    Open thread, so… y’all may remember how Sweetie the Italian mastiff came to be part of the Bigfoot household.

    Welp, there’s a duplex across the street, the people who were in the east side moved out Sunday and left this little Frenchie mix chained to the porch.

    (pauses a moment to let the blood pressure go down)

    The lady in the west side unit has put out food and water for him, but she has two dogs of her own and the duplex is a tiny apartment.

    The poor guy is an un-neutered male, he plainly has mange, he’s upset and scared and angry and our hearts are breaking for him. (if we didn’t have two terriers and Big Sweetie, that little guy would be at our house already.)

    Mrs. B, the former licensed pet insurance agent, has a pretty big network of “animal people” and sounds like one rescue might be able to help him.

    Send the poor little bugger some luck, would ja?

  7. 7.

    Baud

    June 4, 2025 at 6:15 pm

    @Professor Bigfoot:

    Glad he found you. Ugh.

  8. 8.

    Professor Bigfoot

    June 4, 2025 at 6:22 pm

    @Lyrebird: I don’t remember it, but rather a truism among the Black community.

    We see it every day.

  9. 9.

    Steve LaBonne

    June 4, 2025 at 6:24 pm

    @Professor Bigfoot: Humans are infinitely worse people than dogs are.

  10. 10.

    Jackie

    June 4, 2025 at 6:25 pm

    @Professor Bigfoot: Grrrr!😡 If only pet owners like that could be treated the same…! I hope he finds his forever home soon and is spoiled rotten with love the rest of his life!

  11. 11.

    prostratedragon

    June 4, 2025 at 6:26 pm

    @Professor Bigfoot:

    Ok, I’ll bite: “Puppy Love,” Celtic Thunder version. Slightly different situation, but works.

  12. 12.

    Professor Bigfoot

    June 4, 2025 at 6:28 pm

    @Jackie: From your keyboard to God’s monitor.

  13. 13.

    RevRick

    June 4, 2025 at 6:48 pm

    It’s always important to keep in mind that when we talk about Medicaid coverage or health insurance spending, we are talking about either some preventive care or health care for someone who is sick, injured or disabled. No sane person ever thinks, “I want to get sick and end up in the hospital so I can access some of that sweet healthcare bucks.”
    I say this because the GOP often leaves the subtle impression that those needing to use government-funded health care programs are perpetuating some sort of scam.

  14. 14.

    Josie

    June 4, 2025 at 7:01 pm

    @Lyrebird: ​
     Not sure if it was the same one, but one said he was willing to let the old farts (like me) die so everyone else could be ok. I didn’t take kindly to that sentiment.

  15. 15.

    Lapassionara

    June 4, 2025 at 7:04 pm

    @RevRick: Yes, and the funds go to hospitals and doctors, and benefit the communities where these hospitals and doctors are located.

  16. 16.

    no body no name

    June 4, 2025 at 7:08 pm

    @Lyrebird:

    No.  They said grandparents had to be killed for the sake of the economy.  They were also telling white people that old white people had to die for the sake of the economy.

    Just as most of the debt scare mongering is telling old white people they need to give up their benefits and die off or their grandchildren will be ruined due to the national debt.

    They are very open that they are going to kill white people as well and everyone knows this.

  17. 17.

    Dan B

    June 4, 2025 at 7:09 pm

    @RevRick: It strikes me that the GOP are scamming people and the government so they imagine everyone is, especially the “criminal” undeserving.

  18. 18.

    Torrey

    June 4, 2025 at 7:16 pm

    I hate to ask, but would someone please parse that headline for me? “Who needs health insurance as those tax cuts will stop your heart attack”

    I have a feeling that some punctuation might help, but maybe not.

  19. 19.

    Jackie

    June 4, 2025 at 7:19 pm

    GREAT NEWS!

    A Guatemalan man who was deported to Mexico despite stating he feared being persecuted there was flown back to the United States on Wednesday after a judge ordered the Trump administration to facilitate his return.
    Judges have directed U.S. President Donald Trump’s administration to help return several migrants to the country because they were wrongly deported, and the man’s arrival appeared to mark the first time one of those migrants has been able to come back.

    U.S. District Judge Brian Murphy in Boston on May 23 ordered the Guatemalan man’s return after the Justice Department notified him that its claim that the man had expressly stated he was not afraid of being sent to Mexico was based on erroneous information.

    reuters.com/world/us/guatemalan-deportee-arrives-us-after-judge-orders-trump-facilitate-return-2025-…

  20. 20.

    Jeffro

    June 4, 2025 at 7:19 pm

    but David, don’t you know, we’re all going to die anyway?

    //

  21. 21.

    Jeffro

    June 4, 2025 at 7:22 pm

    @no body no name:They said grandparents had to be killed for the sake of the economy.  They were also telling white people that old white people had to die for the sake of the economy.

    they did, and we should never let them – or anyone, really – forget it

     

    @no body no name:They are very open that they are going to kill white people as well

    they were let off FAR too easy when they went all-in on anti-vax measures during the pandemic, KNOWING it would kill their own folks at (slightly) higher rates than the general public

    the ‘excess deaths’ were worth it to them, to keep the MAGA party unified and fired up with hate about something, anything

  22. 22.

    Dan B

    June 4, 2025 at 7:26 pm

    @Torrey: It’s a sarcastic headline.  How would tax cuts improve your health?  As in NOT!

  23. 23.

    Chetan Murthy

    June 4, 2025 at 7:27 pm

    @Lyrebird: Perhaps you mean TX Lt Gov Dan Patrick, who said that grandparents should be prepared to die, so that the economy could get back open ?

  24. 24.

    Scout211

    June 4, 2025 at 7:30 pm

    @Torrey: Maybe:

    “Who needs health insurance?  Those tax cuts will stop your heart attack.”

  25. 25.

    Jeffro

    June 4, 2025 at 7:31 pm

    btw Cheryl Rofer (on BlueSky) linked to a great post by Dan Nexon: The End Is Also a Beginning

    worth a read

    trying to *merely* return to our current institutions will not work

    blaming things on the quality of US voters – who are obviously quite malleable and variable in turnout – will not work

    we need wholesale rewriting of our Constitution if we’re going to get out of this mess…and that starts by saying so, every time, Dems.

    Democrats cannot, and will not, win every national election. The moment Trump retook control of the GOP was the moment U.S. democracy died. A two-party democracy cannot survive unless both of its major parties are committed to electoral accountability and the routine transfer of power.

    As I wrote over on Bluesky, the Republic as we knew it is over. We are living through a culmination of an eighty-year movement to undo the New Deal’s reconstruction of the United States as a modern state, a sixty-year movement to reverse the Second Reconstruction, and a fifty-year movement to undo post-Watergate reforms. We cannot go back to the status quo ante. We cannot restore a democratic republic with duct-tape and twine.

    That knowledge is terrifying, but it is also liberating. It shifts our strategic attention away from the realm of “the possible” and of “what message will win the next election.” Because I fear that no legislative fix will be enough, including expanding the Supreme Court.

    We need to do what is currently impossible. For example, we need to amend the U.S. Constitution. The sooner we recognize this, the better. Because even if it succeeds, it will take extraordinary circumstances. There is no tradeoff between, on the one hand, pushing for “No King,” “No Corruption,” and “No Taxation without Representation” (voting rights) amendments and, on the other, running against Trump in 2026 and 2028. Trump’s economic policies are a symptom of his corruption and authoritarianism. Voters will not make that connection on their own. It must be hammered over and over again, for years if necessary. And we need to prepare peoople for MAGA’s subversion of future elections; institutional trust is worthless if those institutions are despotic.

  26. 26.

    Baud

    June 4, 2025 at 7:32 pm

    Via Reddit

    A newly released House spending bill spearheaded by Republicans includes language that would ban most cannabinoid-based products currently sold nationwide

  27. 27.

    Scout211

    June 4, 2025 at 7:33 pm

    @Jackie: And this:

    A federal judge todayordered the Trump administration to provide hundreds of migrants sent to CECOT, a maximum-security terrorism confinement center in El Salvador, habeas relief, ordering the government to provide the individuals an opportunity to challenge their detention and removal under President Donald Trump’s invocation of the Alien Enemies Act.

    The order applies to all noncitizens removed from U.S. custody and transferred to CECOT “on March 15 and 16, 2025, pursuant solely to the Presidential Proclamation entitled ‘Invocation of the Alien Enemies Act Regarding the Invasion of The United States by Tren De Aragua.'”

    It will not apply to migrants such as Kilmar Abrego Garcia, a Salvadoran native removed from the country around the same time, but for reasons outside of Trump’s invocation of the Alien Enemies Act.

    “Defendants plainly deprived these individuals of their right to seek habeas relief before their summary removal from the United States — a right that need not itself be vindicated through a habeas petition,” U.S. District Court Judge James Boasberg wrote in the order. “Perhaps the President lawfully invoked the Alien Enemies Act. Perhaps, moreover, Defendants are correct that Plaintiffs are gang members. But — and this is the critical point — there is simply no way to know for sure, as the CECOT Plaintiffs never had any opportunity to challenge the Government’s say-so.”

  28. 28.

    MagdaInBlack

    June 4, 2025 at 7:45 pm

    @Baud: Yeah, I was wondering when they’d get around to that.

  29. 29.

    Jackie

    June 4, 2025 at 7:55 pm

    @Scout211: WHOA! Judges are fighting back!

    BUT, what’s the reasoning for this?

    It will not apply to migrants such as Kilmar Abrego Garcia, a Salvadoran native removed from the country around the same time.

  30. 30.

    prostratedragon

    June 4, 2025 at 8:00 pm

    From Jenny Cohn, long thread about some long plans:

    “[S]teps from Harvard’s campus, Bannon took credit for Trump’s fusillade of orders restricting federal funding to universities *** ‘Once you cut the money off,…that’s a bitch slap, right?’ he said.”

    Event panelist Amy Wax said “it’s important to have a European majority.” 2/11/25

    “Education Department says Columbia University fails to meet accreditation standards”

    • The U.S. Department of Education said Columbia University has failed to meet the standards for accreditation because it “is in violation of federal antidiscrimination laws.”
    • The department cited the Ivy League school’s alleged toleration of harassment of Jewish students after the Oct. 7, 2023, attack on Israel by the militant group Hamas.
    • The Education Department’s Office for Civil Rights notified the Middle States Commission on Higher Education, an accrediting institution that the private New York university belongs to, of the alleged violation.
  31. 31.

    Baud

    June 4, 2025 at 8:01 pm

    @MagdaInBlack:

    Unfortunately, young white dudes that like pot are white dudes first.

  32. 32.

    Scout211

    June 4, 2025 at 8:02 pm

    @Jackie:  The rest of the sentence you excerpted:

    It will not apply to migrants such as Kilmar Abrego Garcia, a Salvadoran native removed from the country around the same time, but for reasons outside of Trump’s invocation of the Alien Enemies Act.

    I guess they didn’t invoke the Alien Enemies Act for him?

  33. 33.

    Dan B

    June 4, 2025 at 8:02 pm

    @Baud: Back to the good (awful) old days.

  34. 34.

    Baud

    June 4, 2025 at 8:12 pm

    @Dan B:

    Kamala Harris announced on Monday that if elected president, she would fully legalize adult recreational cannabis on the federal level – the first time a presidential nominee has taken such an unambiguous stance on ending cannabis prohibition

  35. 35.

    MagdaInBlack

    June 4, 2025 at 8:13 pm

    @Baud: It kind of reads like they’re aiming at all the hemp derivatives (delta 8 thc etc) that they extract from hemp, but that’s probably just me being hopeful.

    (and I’ve seen a picture of the crap those white doge-boys smoke)

    @Baud: and god bless her.

  36. 36.

    Jackie

    June 4, 2025 at 8:16 pm

    @Scout211: That’s puzzling, as his deportation, and imprisonment was “an admitted mistake.” 😡

  37. 37.

    Professor Bigfoot

    June 4, 2025 at 8:37 pm

    @Professor Bigfoot: Thanks to a connection of a connection of Mrs. B’s the little Frenchie just left with a rescuer.

    Thanks for all the well wishes for him.

  38. 38.

    Scout211

    June 4, 2025 at 8:53 pm

    @Jackie: IANAL, but I assume that the plaintiff’s in this court case were removed from the country under the Alien Enemies Act and their court case is separate from Abrego Garcia’s case.

  39. 39.

    MagdaInBlack

    June 4, 2025 at 8:56 pm

    @Professor Bigfoot: Thank you and Mrs. B for watching out for the little guy.

  40. 40.

    Dan B

    June 4, 2025 at 9:03 pm

    @Professor Bigfoot: Worder full to hear.  Thanks for watching out for the poor pup.  My partner just returned from driving cats to a rescue.  He does this every week.

  41. 41.

    Eolirin

    June 4, 2025 at 9:18 pm

    @Jeffro: These kinds of things feel a lot like wishful thinking to me. Unless the centers of power have shifted any such attempt to amend the constitution will just result in further entrenchment by the fascists.

    We have to already have won back control of the country before we can even begin that kind of work. Absent complete collapse we’re just not going to be in the kind of position necessary to do that level of reform to the system

    Like, a constitutional amendment would require that we have control over 2/3rds of the state governments. I see no way in hell that we can get to that any time soon. It’ll be far easier for the right to seize state power through illegal means that are then made legal by corrupt judges than it’ll be for us to have the state legislatures in Indiana, Ohio, Florida, Texas, Iowa, Kansas, etc etc

    By the time we can get a constitutional amendment through, we’ll be well past the point where national elections are close and we have a lock on the legislature as well.

  42. 42.

    Jackie

    June 4, 2025 at 9:29 pm

    @Scout211: It’s confusing and frustrating. EVERY immigrant – and in some cases AMERICAN citizens- have one way or another been deported withOUT Due Process.

  43. 43.

    sab

    June 4, 2025 at 10:44 pm

    @Jackie: I have been hearing from lawyers on TV that we should stop calling them deportations, because there is a legal process for deportation, and that process is not being followed at all.  I don’t know which other term would be better. My preference is rendition, but that might be too obscure, and also IANAL.

  44. 44.

    prostratedragon

    June 4, 2025 at 10:53 pm

    @Jeffro:

    wholesale rewriting of our Constitution
     

    Oh goodness, No! Because
    @Eolirin. That can of worms should not be opened until the fascists are solidly contained, and I wouldn’t even talk it up as an eventuality, given who is aching to latch onto the sentiment. Procedural changes that might possibly help, such as expanding the House and Supreme Court, do not require Constitutional amendments.

  45. 45.

    Jackie

    June 4, 2025 at 10:59 pm

    @sab: DISAPPEARED is probably most honest.

  46. 46.

    sab

    June 4, 2025 at 11:13 pm

    @Jackie: That is a bery good suggestion

    ETA And more clearly emphasizes that US citizens are among them.

  47. 47.

    prostratedragon

    June 4, 2025 at 11:43 pm

    @Jackie:  Has resonance because of the dirty wars in Chile and Argentina. A plus.

  48. 48.

    Torrey

    June 5, 2025 at 12:35 am

    @Scout211:

      Thanks. That seems like a good guess. Punctuation: it matters.

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