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Friday Night Open Thread

by John Cole|  June 6, 20258:22 pm| 164 Comments

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I had several things I wanted to say but then I saw this and I just got so flustered because we live in the dumbest fucking timeline:

Friday Night Open Thread 27

I just can’t believe I live in a timeline where the question “Hey should we starve kids in Africa to give billionaires a tax cut” is posed and so many fucking Americans are getting it wrong.

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  1. 1.

    different-church-lady

    June 6, 2025 at 8:23 pm

    Yeah, Jack, we’ve never seen a stupid dick swinging contest before eyeroll.

  2. 2.

    Baud

    June 6, 2025 at 8:28 pm

    where the question “Hey should we starve kids in Africa to give billionaires a tax cut” is posed and so many fucking Americans are getting it wrong

    Why do you hate the working class?

  3. 3.

    Baud

    June 6, 2025 at 8:30 pm

    Phallocentroc and gynocentric sound like pornhub categories.

  4. 4.

    different-church-lady

    June 6, 2025 at 8:31 pm

    @Baud: so does posobiec.

  5. 5.

    Baud

    June 6, 2025 at 8:32 pm

    @different-church-lady:

    Isn’t that what people take for heartburn?

  6. 6.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    June 6, 2025 at 8:32 pm

    Why are these people so damn weird?

    I mean, “phallocentric”? “Gynocentric”?

    This is bizarre manosphere/incel garbage that’s gobbledygook to anyone that’s not in those spaces

  7. 7.

    different-church-lady

    June 6, 2025 at 8:34 pm

    @Baud: It’s giving me heartburn.

  8. 8.

    WaterGirl

    June 6, 2025 at 8:34 pm

    So many questions.

    Who is Jack Poso and why do I care what he wrote?

    What the hell does “two high agency males mean?

    Who is he referring to?  (Trump and Musk?)

    What is this even in reference to?

    Why is this guy such a fucking pig?

  9. 9.

    Mr. Bemused Senior

    June 6, 2025 at 8:34 pm

    Do people who say things like this expect to be taken seriously? Get me rewrite, nobody will fall for this.

  10. 10.

    different-church-lady

    June 6, 2025 at 8:35 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): The dumbfuckcentric space?

  11. 11.

    Suzanne

    June 6, 2025 at 8:35 pm

    The funniest thing about it was that it was mostly not direct communication. It was largely passive-aggressive subtweeting. PAB behavior.

  12. 12.

    different-church-lady

    June 6, 2025 at 8:36 pm

    @Mr. Bemused Senior: NARATOR: “Everybody fell for it.”

  13. 13.

    lamh47

    June 6, 2025 at 8:37 pm

    Hey BJ…just checking it.  Been lurking since my new job started about 6 weeks ago and sigh…I really hate the commute for my new job. I’m literally this –> <– close to just quitting this job because of it…smh. The only reason I have not fully gone…I’m out… is because I need the income currently..But mahn…I’m actively looking for other work and if I find something closer to home, then yeah…I’m fuq’n out! Sigh…I rather be on BART an hr/ half than be in traffic like 2 damn hours just to get home!!! I’m trying to wait until my regular evening schedule … but … Sigh….

  14. 14.

    Nukular Biskits

    June 6, 2025 at 8:37 pm

    Good evenin’, y’all.

    Idiocracy was a preemptive documentary for these times.

  15. 15.

    The Audacity of Krope

    June 6, 2025 at 8:38 pm

    @Mr. Bemused Senior: A couple highfalutin’ words to disguise the fact that basically he’s saying they’re both being dicks.

  16. 16.

    cmorenc

    June 6, 2025 at 8:38 pm

    The feud is so petty that Trump is considering selling or giving away the red Tesla Musk gave Trump when they were still besties.

  17. 17.

    The Audacity of Krope

    June 6, 2025 at 8:39 pm

    @Baud: Why do you hate the working class?

    Billionaires work? I thought they just leeched off everyone else’s work.

  18. 18.

    WaterGirl

    June 6, 2025 at 8:40 pm

    @lamh47: Great news that you got a job.  But an awful commute is awful.

    Sounds like you are trying to get changed to a different shift?

  19. 19.

    Aimai

    June 6, 2025 at 8:41 pm

    @lamh47: hang in there lamh47!!

  20. 20.

    leeleeFL

    June 6, 2025 at 8:41 pm

    Saw this earlier and thought, “Of course I’ve seen two juvenile assholes wildly swinging their dicks at each other, I am a 74 y.o. Female! I used to see it everyday at school, and on the street i grew up on. Then I grew up! It was still happening, I just decided not to notice it! That was sweet!”

  21. 21.

    Suzanne

    June 6, 2025 at 8:41 pm

    @lamh47: Commuting is evil, I’m sorry.

  22. 22.

    MagdaInBlack

    June 6, 2025 at 8:42 pm

    @lamh47: I’m so sorry. I drive an hour each way, in suburban Chicago insanity traffic, and that, for me, is just exhausting.

  23. 23.

    Jay

    June 6, 2025 at 8:44 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Jack_Posobiec

  24. 24.

    Baud

    June 6, 2025 at 8:44 pm

     

    @lamh47:

    That’s brutal.

  25. 25.

    TONYG

    June 6, 2025 at 8:44 pm

    @Baud: A lot of Americans (many of them in “red states”) will be dying due to malnutrition and lack of medical care by the time these assholes are finished.  Will those Trump voters learn anything from this?  Probably not.  It takes a certain level of intelligence for people to learn from their mistakes.

  26. 26.

    Raoul Paste

    June 6, 2025 at 8:44 pm

    Let me take a guess,— Jack Poso is an incel.

    How repellent can you get?

  27. 27.

    Scout211

    June 6, 2025 at 8:45 pm

    Governor Newsom said something good today.

    SACRAMENTO, California —Governor Gavin Newsom   on Friday suggested California consider withholding tens of billions in annual federal tax dollars amid reports Donald Trump is preparing funding cuts targeting the state.

    Newsom’s suggestion came after CNN reported the president was considering a “full termination” of federal grant funding for California’s universities.

    “Californians pay the bills for the federal government. We pay over $80 BILLION more in taxes than we get back,” the Democratic governor said in an X post Friday afternoon, referencing a recent analysis from the Rockefeller Institute that California contributed about $83 billion more in federal taxes in 2022 than it received back from Washington.

    “Maybe it’s time to cut that off,” he added.

    White House spokesperson Kush Desai, asked to comment on Newsom’s post, threw cold water on mass funding cuts but blasted California for what he said were “lunatic anti-energy, soft-on-crime, pro-child mutilation, and pro-sanctuary policies.”

    Good for Newsom but man, those White House spokespeople are shrill.

  28. 28.

    sab

    June 6, 2025 at 8:45 pm

    @lamh47:  I am glad you are checking in with us and glad you have a job.

    I did the four hour a day commute in the Bay Area for about four years and it was a real grind.

  29. 29.

    VFX Lurker

    June 6, 2025 at 8:46 pm

    @lamh47: What Aimai said upthread — hang in there.

  30. 30.

    HinTN

    June 6, 2025 at 8:46 pm

    @Suzanne: Especially in the Bay Area. It’s just insane.

    However, @lamh47:, it is good to be employed when you need it. Hang in there.

  31. 31.

    Jay

    June 6, 2025 at 8:52 pm

    @lamh47:

    I am guessing that BART is not an option.

    When I worked at the place, I was asked often why I didn’t drive and took Transit instead.

    Comfy seats, thermos of coffee, web surf, cool regulars, beat white knuckling the #1.

  32. 32.

    Ohio Mom

    June 6, 2025 at 8:52 pm

    @lamh47: I knew you would land on your feet. I’m considering this job a bounce until you land for good in the right place.

  33. 33.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    June 6, 2025 at 8:53 pm

    @lamh47: That’s hard. Can you listen to audiobooks? You can get them from the library on your phone. When I had a 90 minute commute, they really helped me. Sometimes I looked forward to getting back in the car

  34. 34.

    Jackie

    June 6, 2025 at 8:53 pm

    @lamh47: Do you like your job, but hate the commute? Or hate both? If you like your job, is it feasible to relocate nearer your job?

  35. 35.

    Nukular Biskits

    June 6, 2025 at 8:54 pm

    And, since this an open thread, I’m hereby notifying all squirrels, possums and raccoons within a 1 mile radius of The Tomato Jungle that, starting tomorrow, I’m gonna fry their furry little asses with a solar-powered fence charger if they try to eat my Cherokee Purples again.

    I have yet to get a single one because one or more of the little bastards keep eating them.

  36. 36.

    Suzanne

    June 6, 2025 at 8:55 pm

    @HinTN: I used to do an hour and a half each way in Phoenix, in the summer, so I definitely know commuting rage. It literally radicalized me. I also remember SuzMom doing two hours each way into NYC when I was a kid, on the train. Long commutes are a policy failure, IMO. They’re a tax on working people, bad for families and the environment.

  37. 37.

    lamh47

    June 6, 2025 at 8:56 pm

    @WaterGirl: Currently, I’m training during day shift hours.  My scheduled hours is evenings (late afternoon to late night).  The past 6 weeks I’ve been doing morning and rush hour afternoon traffic.  The morning traffic is 45 min to 1hour depending on how early..and I’ll be honest, that’s tough “enough”, but that afternoon rush hour commute, averaged 1hr 30 min to 2hrs!!!

    I’ve been trying to at least wait until I start the evening schedule…becuase maybe the commute will be no more than an hour each way which is at least doable….but TBH, aside from the pay rate, the job itself might end up being a bit boring and not quite using my experience and skill to it’s fullest…so the commute being so bad is not helping my desired to stay when I already kinda know it could be a not quite good fit.

    If the commute was better, the money IS good enough that I would def be willing to keep going.

  38. 38.

    different-church-lady

    June 6, 2025 at 8:58 pm

    @Nukular Biskits: Three years ago I spent $45 on chicken wire to protect a crop tomatoes that I could have probably bought for eight bucks.

  39. 39.

    Mr. Bemused Senior

    June 6, 2025 at 8:58 pm

    @different-church-lady: 😁

  40. 40.

    Nukular Biskits

    June 6, 2025 at 8:59 pm

    @different-church-lady:

    It’s the principle.

    And my honor has been engaged!

  41. 41.

    WaterGirl

    June 6, 2025 at 8:59 pm

    @lamh47: How much longer before you get done training and can do your regular shift where you’ll very likely have a shorter and less maddening commute?

  42. 42.

    Jay

    June 6, 2025 at 8:59 pm

    @Nukular Biskits:

    Well, which ever rodent it is, they have excellent taste.

    People have had results spraying the fruit with hot pepper sprays.

    If you try the treatment, just remember to wash the fruit.

  43. 43.

    lamh47

    June 6, 2025 at 8:59 pm

    @Jackie: I like where I live (Oakland) and the diversity it allows, my new job is in Palo Alto and the diversity that I like in Oakland just isn’t there.  Also too, I could def move closer, but for the cost in Palo Alto, it’s def cost more.  Now I can afford the increase in cost, but still…

  44. 44.

    lamh47

    June 6, 2025 at 9:01 pm

    @Jay: My employer does offer commuting type things, but I work at a seperate stand alone building in a different area of Palo Alto and unfortunately, not close to Caltrain, BART or the commuting services…

  45. 45.

    lamh47

    June 6, 2025 at 9:02 pm

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: I did create a commute playlist on my Itunes, but don’t matter how much I love the songs, that brake and go driving and merging is killing me…

  46. 46.

    Nukular Biskits

    June 6, 2025 at 9:03 pm

    @Jay:

    Interesting suggestion.  I can try that.

    One of the other things recommended is to pick them just as they’re starting to turn; i.e. once they start to ripen, leaving them on the vine serves no purpose.

    Well, today, both of the Cherokee Purples that had just started turning were half-eaten.

    I’m not conversant in rodent gab but I take that as an declaration of war.

  47. 47.

    WaterGirl

    June 6, 2025 at 9:03 pm

    @lamh47: On the bright side, you have money coming in while you’re figuring it out.

    How did your previous coworkers do in landing something new after you were all dismissed en masse?  Or did they actually end up hiring a significant number of those folks back?

  48. 48.

    Chief Oshkosh

    June 6, 2025 at 9:04 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Christ these people are fucking weird and they are especially weird about “manly” communication. For that level of “discourse,” it ain’t that complicated.

  49. 49.

    WaterGirl

    June 6, 2025 at 9:05 pm

    @Nukular Biskits: This year, I am growing Cherokee Purple for the first time.  Fingers crossed.

  50. 50.

    lamh47

    June 6, 2025 at 9:06 pm

    @WaterGirl: One more week.  It’s been a blitz of a training 6 weeks.  The saving grace is that I have decades of experience so training me isn’t the same as training a completely new tech.  After next week, I go to my regular schedule and then 6 more weeks training on my regular shift.

    I am def giving the regular shift a chance first.

    What I have done was rent a room near the job while I’m doing the training (I’m lucky enough to have the funds to be able to do this and not stretch my budget).  I’ve got points and discounts and used them for past 2 weeks.  One more week of this and I’ll be on regular schedule.

  51. 51.

    Eric S.

    June 6, 2025 at 9:06 pm

    @lamh47: Good seeing you and sorry your commute is such shit. I spent 2 years having to drive for my commute. 46 miles one way. I don’t know how people do it. I got out first chance I could.

  52. 52.

    Nukular Biskits

    June 6, 2025 at 9:07 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    In my previous life, I grew them in my greenhouse.

    And they were delicious on sandwiches, burgers.

    That’s why I’m so mad. LOL.

  53. 53.

    lamh47

    June 6, 2025 at 9:07 pm

    @WaterGirl: Right…I feel grateful that I have income and work and not having to be bothered or worried about the fed work system.  I’m not too sure about my old coworkers.  Many of the folks in my department were career fed workers and many likely did early retirement

  54. 54.

    WaterGirl

    June 6, 2025 at 9:08 pm

    @lamh47: That’s good news, the end is in sight!  Smart to rent the room.

    Weird to be being the one trained when you are likely used to being the one who is training others?

  55. 55.

    WaterGirl

    June 6, 2025 at 9:09 pm

    @Nukular Biskits: I discoverd them at the farmer’s market the last two years – while I was growing other tomatoes.  This is the first time I’m trying to grow them myself.

  56. 56.

    Scout211

    June 6, 2025 at 9:09 pm

    @WaterGirl: What is this even in reference to?

    In  BC’s thread earlier today she posted a bluesky video interview of a Chinese woman who is Harvard’s valedictorian. A fight between two stupid guys broke out behind her. The post from Posobiec is in response to people reacting to the stupid guys fighting behind the brilliant young woman.

    There was some discussion in that earlier thread about Posobiec’s post.

    Added: He was defending men and minimizing women because he’s a pig, which answers another one of your questions.

  57. 57.

    lamh47

    June 6, 2025 at 9:10 pm

    @Eric S.: Thx.

    What makes it hard is I’m kinda spoiled.  Cause for the past 15 years I’ve never lived more than 15 miles from my job.  literally my daily commute was 10-15 minute! Literally I bought a new car in 2015 and by 2023 I only had 35k miles on the car!  That’s only about 5k a year!

    So yeah…this new commute is driving me batty

  58. 58.

    Eric S.

    June 6, 2025 at 9:10 pm

    @Nukular Biskits: Id declare war too.

  59. 59.

    Jay

    June 6, 2025 at 9:12 pm

    @Nukular Biskits:

    Quite often, they are going for the water, not the nutrition. That why they eat only part of the tomato.

    Capsaicin works. You can buy pretreated birdseed for your winter feeders when rodents are an issue.

    There is a reason why “vine ripened” is the best.

  60. 60.

    Spanky

    June 6, 2025 at 9:13 pm

    @WaterGirl: I’ll just Plus One all of WG’s questions.

  61. 61.

    They Call Me Noni

    June 6, 2025 at 9:13 pm

    @WaterGirl: All questions I have as well. I don’t understand any of it.

  62. 62.

    WaterGirl

    June 6, 2025 at 9:13 pm

    @Scout211: Thank you!

    I did see the interview with the Harvard valedictorian, but I wasn’t able to read the whole thread.

    Knowing that this joker was writing about a stupid fist fight makes this even dumber.

  63. 63.

    lamh47

    June 6, 2025 at 9:14 pm

    @WaterGirl: 100%.  I can tell the past new hires they’ve trained didn’t nearly have the same experience I have…LOL.  So many of the trainers have said to me “hey…if you feel you need more time or you feel they are trying to train you too fast…then you can ask for more time…”

    And I’m like…nah, I’m good.  I promise you, I could train YOU on this stuff…LOL.  All I need you to do for me is let me know what the protocol here is and I can adapt…cause all the same stuff I’ve done before or a version of it.

  64. 64.

    PsiFighter37

    June 6, 2025 at 9:14 pm

    “Which one wants to be the power bottom more: Elon or Donald? We asked patrons at a Chattanooga Waffle House for their thoughts, and their answers might surprise you.”

  65. 65.

    WaterGirl

    June 6, 2025 at 9:14 pm

    @They Call Me Noni: @Spanky:  Good company!

  66. 66.

    WaterGirl

    June 6, 2025 at 9:15 pm

    @lamh47: So the drive is tedious and the training is too.  No wonder you are cranky!  :-)

  67. 67.

    kindness

    June 6, 2025 at 9:18 pm

    @lamh47: I commuted from Modesto to Oakland and back for 12 years.  It wasn’t so bad during the 2008/9 economic crash.  No one was commuting.  When I started doing it I could run the 85 miles each way in an hour & a half.  By the end though it was taking 2 to 3 hours each way.  I was overjoyed when they moved me from Regional out to the Modesto hospital.  Funny thing is, the big wigs thought I was being punished because I wasn’t around them in Oakland any more.  I never told them how wrong they were.

  68. 68.

    Eric S.

    June 6, 2025 at 9:18 pm

    @lamh47: I’ve been full time remote since March 2020. The new COO got bug up his ass and is trying to get everyone into the office 3x/wk. There’s so many logistical problems with this I won’t try to list them. If/When it happens I’ll have a 70m commute but I’ll be on the El or in nice weather on my bicycle.

  69. 69.

    bbleh

    June 6, 2025 at 9:18 pm

    OMG, I think Jack Poso needs to go have some phallocentric communication in some dark corner somewhere, perhaps alone perhaps not, and then he’ll feel much better.

  70. 70.

    Shalimar

    June 6, 2025 at 9:19 pm

    I will repeat what I said earlier.  I am surprised phallocentric is a real word.  It sounds an awful lot like they communicate by sticking their dicks in each other.  Not that there is anything wrong with that if it’s what Jack is into.

  71. 71.

    They Call Me Noni

    June 6, 2025 at 9:19 pm

    @The Audacity of Krope: would be more effective if he’d just say that.

  72. 72.

    They Call Me Noni

    June 6, 2025 at 9:20 pm

    @cmorenc: i read somewhere that it was like TACO was selling the engagement ring.

  73. 73.

    The Audacity of Krope

    June 6, 2025 at 9:23 pm

    @They Call Me Noni: Right, but it wouldn’t communicate the esteem Poso has for dickish behavior.

  74. 74.

    Scout211

    June 6, 2025 at 9:23 pm

    @Shalimar: Loved your comment this morning and loved it tonight, with extras. :-)

  75. 75.

    sab

    June 6, 2025 at 9:23 pm

    @lamh47: Yikes! Oakland to Palo Alto.

    When I lived in the Bay Area I commuted in the North Bay Area which was interminable, but partly I took the ferry.That was slow but soothing. The other half was traffic.

    Californians are much much better drivers than, say, Ohioans, but commuting in traffic is such a strain.

    When is your lease up? (Don’t tell us. Just think about moving south.)

  76. 76.

    Suzanne

    June 6, 2025 at 9:24 pm

    LMAO. A similar take I just observed: “People forget how men with testicles spar”.

    Apparently men with testicles subtweet one another on Xhitter. So manly.

    ETA: Extra irony on the 81st anniversary of D-Day.

  77. 77.

    Sister Golden Bear

    June 6, 2025 at 9:24 pm

    @lamh47: An Oakland to Palo Alto commute is brutal.

    Dunno if it would help, but there are things to do in the Palo Alto and nearby to wait out evening traffic. Hit me up if you’d like more info.

  78. 78.

    They Call Me Noni

    June 6, 2025 at 9:25 pm

    @Nukular Biskits: Chicken wire is your friend. Ask me how I know.
    I have lots of flowers behind wire because that’s just how you garden when you live in the woods.

  79. 79.

    Nukular Biskits

    June 6, 2025 at 9:26 pm

    @Jay:

    There is a reason why “vine ripened” is the best.

    I’d always believed that as well, having grown stuff for nearly 50 years (growing up, the annual garden’s output went directly into the freeze or canning for the winter … money was tight).

    However, having read that a couple of weeks ago about about (mostly) squirrels seeking out tomatoes for the water content (the little bastards have access to a damned pond just across the fence), I also came across a lot of discussion about picking tomatoes just as they were starting to turn, rather than allowing them to turn completely red (or purple or yellow, etc, depending on your variety), on the vine.

    I started picking the cherry tomatoes as they started to turn and I really can’t tell the difference between that and “vine-ripened”, TBH.

    As for the 4-legged criminals, I’m of the opinion they’re doing it for one simple reason: They task me and I shall have them.

  80. 80.

    Kristine

    June 6, 2025 at 9:26 pm

    @lamh47: I hope you find something closer to home soon

    ::reads follow-up emails::

    Or that matters improve once your schedule changes.

  81. 81.

    Nukular Biskits

    June 6, 2025 at 9:28 pm

    @They Call Me Noni:

    In my previous life, my garden was in a wide open area, far from trees (except my fruit trees) and I never had this problem. That and the cats I had at the time tended to lounge around under my blueberry bushes next to the garden.

    Here, as you can see in my “jungle” link, the woods are just over the other side of the fence and I have no cats.

  82. 82.

    HypersphericalCow

    June 6, 2025 at 9:29 pm

    I made a similar comment on LGM (which seems to be broken right now), that this is like the Mr Show sketch where both Bob and David are playing hypermasculine dudes who threaten each other, brandish weapons, and then talk themselves into gay marriage.

  83. 83.

    The Audacity of Krope

    June 6, 2025 at 9:29 pm

    @Nukular Biskits: However, having read that a couple of weeks ago about about (mostly) squirrels seeking out tomatoes for the water content (the little bastards have access to a damned pond just across the fence)

    Fruit water is clean, generally speaking.

  84. 84.

    Suzanne

    June 6, 2025 at 9:30 pm

    Man, Elon unfollowed Catturd, and I’m just….. still not over how funny this shit is.

  85. 85.

    LeftCoastYankee

    June 6, 2025 at 9:30 pm

    So was that comment about the two morons fighting in background of the Harvard valedictorian video, or the two morons fighting on their respective social media echo chambers?

    Either way they could all use a phallocentric kick in the groin.

    That’s what we need robots for: Misogynistic dipshit opens their mouth and robot brings a phallocentric remedy.  

  86. 86.

    Kristine

    June 6, 2025 at 9:33 pm

    @Nukular Biskits:

    about (mostly) squirrels seeking out tomatoes for the water content

    I have a small bird bath attached to my deck, and occasionally see a squirrel grab a drink there (I’m pretty religious about cleaning it, sometimes several times a day because as much as I love birds, they’re mice with wings).

  87. 87.

    Nukular Biskits

    June 6, 2025 at 9:37 pm

    @The Audacity of Krope:

    Fruit water is clean, generally speaking.

    Understood. And the taste buds of humans can’t comprehend those of lesser organisms, I guess, but I can’t imagine being so thirsty was to eat a raw (mostly) green tomato.

    And this is from someone who LOVES fried green tomatoes.

  88. 88.

    Lyrebird

    June 6, 2025 at 9:37 pm

    @Baud: I may not always agree, but I am so thankful for John Cole and the various Men of Balloon Juice.

    How do you like:

    “Decency: It’s not just about wearing pants.”

  89. 89.

    They Call Me Noni

    June 6, 2025 at 9:38 pm

    @Nukular Biskits: Here we are surrounded by woods on three sides so the squirrels, rabbits and deer are a problem but I figure we’re in their territory so we adjust. We put a couple of flowering trees in the backyard a few years ago and had to put wire around them because apparently the deer thought they were tasty.

  90. 90.

    Jay

    June 6, 2025 at 9:41 pm

    @Nukular Biskits:

    We always vine ripened as much as possible.

    But yeah, tomatoes will quite often ripen off the vine.

    Some tomatoes really do have more flavor, but it depends on the strain of the tomato. Roma’s, not so much, Pink Ladies and Sunsugars, yup. Depends on the terroir and the amount of sugars.

  91. 91.

    sab

    June 6, 2025 at 9:44 pm

    @lamh47: Remember if you think about moving, do you like Oakland?

    California is huge and diverse, and a lot of areas are wonderful, and other areas are worse than sites back east.

    I always liked Oakland. Also my nephew and his Canadian wife chose to live there.

    I lived in Marin. It was very white and secretly Republican.

    My brother was a mayor in a town there and I cannot even talk to him any more. He went to work for a financial firm and they turned out to be a cult. Think like them or be tossed into the abyss.

  92. 92.

    WTFGhost

    June 6, 2025 at 9:49 pm

    So my covid test came back positive, ten minutes after my home clinic closed, and apparently, calling the clinic and asking if the on-call doc could call in a prescription is no longer “a thing”.

    I did call around, and found a doctor who would see me for a video visit, but, I would just *have* to come in, to use one of *their* tests, to prove something everyone already knows, and I pointed out that I really wanted to prefer not to break quarantine. I do get it, though: if they don’t charge me for the test, they only get an office visit! UPSELL UPSELL, UPSELL! Plus, wouldn’t is suck to help save a guy’s life, if you didn’t get to charge him for the meaningless test? EWWWWWW! Who wants that, when they can be all in on the cash, right? Plus, taking me out of quarantine, while I’m definitely contagious, strikes me as blatant stupidity, even though I’ll wear an n95.

    Apparently, all the nearby urgent care clinics are hidden by dozens of ads for “talk to  doctor by phone!” services, so it’s not even easy to find an actual *clinic*, and not a place to buy boner pills in private.

    There are times I really hate life, and this is one of those times.

    Sorry if I crapped too hard on those who were feeling a win for Kilmar Abrego Garcia – I’m definitely in a less than stellar mood right now.

  93. 93.

    lamh47

    June 6, 2025 at 9:50 pm

    @sab: my current least is month to month because I didn’t want to sign an extended lease until after starting my evening schedule.  So if I do decide to move closer, I just will need to submit a 30 day notice.

  94. 94.

    lamh47

    June 6, 2025 at 9:53 pm

    @Sister Golden Bear: I’ve got one week left of day shift training.  I leave work at 3:30pm each day.  I’d literally have to find something to do for like at least 3 hrs, or I’ll just book a room next week and thankfully it’s my final week

  95. 95.

    lamh47

    June 6, 2025 at 9:57 pm

    @sab: I do like living in Oakland. Like I said, the diverisity is def a plus, but also it gives me a similar feel to living in NOLA.

    I also like my apartment…it’s a perfect size for the money the area and being a new transplant.

  96. 96.

    They Call Me Noni

    June 6, 2025 at 9:57 pm

    @WTFGhost: So you can’t get Paxlovid yet?  From what I understand you have to start taking it within a few days of first symptoms.

  97. 97.

    Elizabelle

    June 6, 2025 at 9:58 pm

    @lamh47: Hello you.

  98. 98.

    Sister Golden Bear

    June 6, 2025 at 10:02 pm

    @lamh47: You’d actually want to wait until 7 or so for the freeways to clear, so no, not worth it.

  99. 99.

    MCat

    June 6, 2025 at 10:04 pm

    @lamh47: Hi. I understand. I take it that you don’t have a way to work from home. I hope you find something better that’s closer to home. Long commutes are awful.

  100. 100.

    lamh47

    June 6, 2025 at 10:07 pm

    @Elizabelle: WAVES!!!!

  101. 101.

    sab

    June 6, 2025 at 10:09 pm

    @They Call Me Noni: We were sitting out yesterday in our new ( to us) yard in Akron.

    We are next to a railroad, and beyond that is our local  faux Tudor Mansion. The mansion has a pond and a huge  thousand acres maybe) area, almost none  of which is gardened.

    We were sitting in the driveway, overlooking the trees out back, railroad behind.

    Then our somnulent pitbull woke up and barked, frantically.

    Turns out a doe and her tiny baby were in our yard. She stamped her feet at and our pitbull almost fainted in fear. A sensible reaction. An angry whitetail deer mom is much bigger and very much fiercer than our silly dog.

    We put the dog inside, and will remember the deer threat.

  102. 102.

    Ramona

    June 6, 2025 at 10:13 pm

    @Scout211: What are the mechanics of how Newsom proposes to withhold these federal taxes? As I understand it, most of it is withheld by the employer and sent straight on to the IRS.

  103. 103.

    prostratedragon

    June 6, 2025 at 10:14 pm

    @Nukular Biskits:  From your start there, I thought you were gathering ingredients for Brunswick stew.

  104. 104.

    NotMax

    June 6, 2025 at 10:15 pm

    Got the punch line: Phallo Vance. (Play on the original.)

    Now need to reverse engineer the joke.

  105. 105.

    Suzanne

    June 6, 2025 at 10:18 pm

    @NotMax: I want to send Elon to CECOT.

  106. 106.

    Ramona

    June 6, 2025 at 10:20 pm

    @lamh47: Can you afford to stay in a nearby hotel during the week while you are training?

  107. 107.

    H.E.Wolf

    June 6, 2025 at 10:24 pm

    @lamh47: First of all, it’s great to hear from you.

    Second, you are right up there with Lizzo in awesomeness, and I hope the folks at the new job figure that out right quick.

    Third, this may be a really dumb question… are any of the train stations close enough to your workplace to make Uber rides a possibility, maybe sometimes if not regularly?

    (I so dislike the notion of you being trapped behind the wheel for hours of stop-and-go every day. Where is my magic fairy wand to fix this?)

    Best wishes, and please keep us posted….

  108. 108.

    WTFGhost

    June 6, 2025 at 10:27 pm

    @They Call Me Noni: Yes, but, symptoms started today. I have tomorrow, Sunday, and Monday, and even could start on Tuesday (they now saw “within 5 days of symptoms starting” instead of “within 4”), but, my figuring is, the sooner I start clobbering the bugs, the sooner they’ll get their ass properly kicked.

    Someone earlier mentioned to keep up on sleep with Covid-19. That’s looking easier and easier as the day wears on.

  109. 109.

    Nukular Biskits

    June 6, 2025 at 10:28 pm

    @prostratedragon:

    I’ve had the Southern version of that.
    Ms. Biskits, being a city girl, simply would not have such a thing.

  110. 110.

    Jackie

    June 6, 2025 at 10:32 pm

    @Ramona: from lamh47 “somewhere upthread”:

    What I have done was rent a room near the job while I’m doing the training (I’m lucky enough to have the funds to be able to do this and not stretch my budget).  I’ve got points and discounts and used them for past 2 weeks.  One more week of this and I’ll be on regular schedule.

  111. 111.

    Ramona

    June 6, 2025 at 10:34 pm

    @Suzanne: Ahahahahahahahaha!

  112. 112.

    dr. luba

    June 6, 2025 at 10:34 pm

    A fried sent me this link today:  “My Billionaire Daddies Are Fighting”

  113. 113.

    lamh47

    June 6, 2025 at 10:35 pm

    @Ramona: yes.  that’s exactly what I have been doing for past 2 weeks and I have a room booked for next week, the final week.

    Luckily I have a cousin who gets friends and family discounts that I have been using so at least I’m not paying a whole arm and a leg

  114. 114.

    lamh47

    June 6, 2025 at 10:37 pm

    @H.E.Wolf: Thx…Once I survive the training, hopefully the commute is better.

     

    For the main hospital there is a close Caltrain station along with PT that the hospital provides for employees.  Unfortunately the lab I’m in is an off-site lab so it’s on a seperate campus from the main hospital and no PT provided for employees

  115. 115.

    Fair Economist

    June 6, 2025 at 10:45 pm

    @lamh47: My husband’s mom and one of his brothers live in Fremont, which I rather like – I wish Orange had bike lanes like that! It’s more diverse than super-$$$ Palo Alto, and a commute to Palo Alto would be much more doable. I know it’s not Oakland, but it might be a workable compromise.

  116. 116.

    NaijaGal

    June 6, 2025 at 10:46 pm

    @lamh47: Oh – so sorry to hear about the commute.  Hang in there.

  117. 117.

    They Call Me Noni

    June 6, 2025 at 10:46 pm

    @WTFGhost: That’s good.  I wish you the best.  Both of our daughters had Covid a couple of years ago and it was pretty yukky.  Hope you can get the right meds and it won’t be too hard on you.

  118. 118.

    rikyrah

    June 6, 2025 at 10:48 pm

    Cole, they are the stupidest muthaphuckas ever😠😠

  119. 119.

    rikyrah

    June 6, 2025 at 10:48 pm

    @WTFGhost:

    🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽get well.

  120. 120.

    rikyrah

    June 6, 2025 at 10:49 pm

    @lamh47:

    lamh,

     

    Keep on pushing. Long commutes suck😪

  121. 121.

    Craig

    June 6, 2025 at 10:52 pm

    @HinTN: yes! 280 is the most gorgeous freeway, now it’s totally clogged by bros in 100,000 dollar cars going 60mph in the left lane. 101 is totally suck. 880 is a nightmare. Commuting is terrible. I envy my pal in Philly that commutes into Manhattan on the Amtrak. She reads a lot of books

  122. 122.

    NaijaGal

    June 6, 2025 at 10:52 pm

    @Scout211: Thank you for sharing this – I was hoping Newsom would take a break from the podcasts to rediscover his spine and point out the obvious (about California giving more in taxes to the federal government than it gets back).

    But this is the sad thing – we essentially have a president that’s fine with dismantling the union without calling it that.  He’ll cut funds to blue states and leave funds for red states and what he’ll fund is the confederacy plus some mid-western states.  Is that what MAGA had in mind? Even though there are probably more MAGA voters in California than Mississippi, Alabama, and South Carolina combined?

  123. 123.

    Lapassionara

    June 6, 2025 at 10:52 pm

    @WTFGhost: I managed COVID with doses of mucinexD and lots and lots of broth, herbal teas, and other fluids. If you have a pulseoximeter, make sure your oxygen saturation is 95% or higher. Good luck, and let us know how you are doing.

  124. 124.

    They Call Me Noni

    June 6, 2025 at 10:53 pm

    @sab: I have pics of my cat Gizzy tracking a decent sized deer in our yard.  Little dude always thought he was 10 foot tall and bullet proof when in actuality he weighed all of 10 pounds.  I had to shout to scare the deer away because Giz was not having that thing in his yard and I didn’t want him to get hurt.

    I bet with that kind of land and water nearby you get tons of them.  Three years ago we had a mama and her three babies that would come graze in our backyard a couple nights a week.  I googled it because I didn’t know they could have three babies.

  125. 125.

    They Call Me Noni

    June 6, 2025 at 10:56 pm

    @dr. luba: That elicited a chuckle!

  126. 126.

    divF

    June 6, 2025 at 10:56 pm

    @lamh47: I’m so glad to hear you’re here in the East Bay gainfully employed. Your comparison of Oakland to NOLA (with which I agree) is quite flattering to Oakland. The weather is very different, though – we will see high temps mostly in the 60’s for the month of June, which isn’t exactly NOLA weather.  How do you feel about that ? If your nieces come to visit, they will need to be warned to bring suitable clothing (but probably won’t believe you), which is what happened the first time my brother’s daughters came out for a visit from Washington DC  in the summer.

  127. 127.

    George

    June 6, 2025 at 10:58 pm

    Any Kenworth drivers out there pullin’ logs? Any Cabover Petes with reefers on? Any Jimmys haulin’ hogs?

    Asking for a friend.

  128. 128.

    NaijaGal

    June 6, 2025 at 10:59 pm

    @LeftCoastYankee: I thought it was about Skipping Dipshit’s fight with Cheeto Jesus (since he said “high agency males”) but I may be wrong. I’m not sure I even want to know who Posobiec is.

  129. 129.

    lamh47

    June 6, 2025 at 11:00 pm

    @divF: Oh I love the weather.  It’s one of the highlights of the area.  The traffic, not surpringly, is the worse.

    My sister and my cousin visited last month and they loved the area and the weather.  In fact, the weather is the biggest draw to the region for me.

  130. 130.

    H.E.Wolf

    June 6, 2025 at 11:01 pm

    @lamh47: ​
     Grrrr. That is so “wrong*.

    Fingers crossed that this starts to get better!

  131. 131.

    Marc

    June 6, 2025 at 11:21 pm

    @lamh47:  Congratulations on the new job!  I commuted for over a decade on a daily basis between the Grand Lake area and Stanford.  Even with a shuttle at the Stanford end it took between 2:00 and 2:30 each way.  Stanford provided transit passes so it was free, which helped, plus I could sleep or read.  Driving was mostly faster, but I hated it.

    If you continue to live in downtown Oakland, hopefully you’ve figured out the quickest way these days would be BART to Millbrae then transfer to Caltrain.  Do you have a bike?  Timed right, that could get it down to 90 minutes or so.

  132. 132.

    WTFGhost

    June 6, 2025 at 11:23 pm

    @George: This, and a person mentioning their theory (“which is mine,”) really hits the nostalgia tracks. Do CBs still exist, so the song still makes sense?

    (One fever dream weekend, I saw a perfect storybook ending, where the convoy was flushing out evil aliens dressed as cops, and “crashing the gate doing 98” didn’t trigger the alien cops, hence, the good guys could identify and kill them. After that, I tried to avoid fever dreams.)

    (Re, the theory that “is mine,” the origin was the theory of brontosaurs, which were said to be thin at one end, much, much, thicker in the middle, and thin again at the other end. “That theory seems to strike the nail on the head!” “And it is mine!”)

  133. 133.

    WTFGhost

    June 6, 2025 at 11:26 pm

    @rikyrah: thanks!

    @Lapassionara: I’m betting my body can take it on its own, but I’m nearly 60, overweight, and diabetic, so for me, I want to pull out all the stops.  That said, I do have mucinex and real, live, Sudafed, and plenty of tea and soup.

  134. 134.

    George

    June 6, 2025 at 11:37 pm

    @WTFGhost: ​
     I’m not sure if CBs still exist, but I hope they do. Warning other truckers about Smokeys would be difficult on a group chat on Microsoft Teams.

  135. 135.

    Marc

    June 6, 2025 at 11:37 pm

    @lamh47:  By the way, there are other transit option that may work out for you.  AC Transit (Line U)  has buses between Fremont BART, the Amtrak station, and the Stanford oval which stops at various places in PA (there is also Stanford AE+F, but that doesn’t stop in PA).
    There are also the Dumbarton Express (DB, DB1) buses with two routes from Union City BART to different parts of PA.  That can actually be quicker (under 90 minutes) if you can easily get to Lake Merritt BART and bridge traffic is normal.  Plus PA has various last mile options, including scheduled shuttles to various office parks and on-demand shuttles.​
    ​
    ​

  136. 136.

    Marc

    June 6, 2025 at 11:47 pm

    @sab: I lived in Marin, too, but in an apartment on the Headlands adjacent to Marin City in the early 90s.  My girlfriend and I used to walk to one of the churches in MC back then, and there were (still?) a couple of restaurants, just to be around other black people.
    But, Marin is a worse commute to Palo Alto than Oakland.
    San Leandro and Hayward are also decent options, smaller than Oakland, and just about as diverse, but with a bit more South Asian culture.​
    ​
    ​

  137. 137.

    Gvg

    June 7, 2025 at 12:01 am

    @Jay: If it’s the water, it may help to put down fresh water bowls outside the enclosure. My first drought as a serious gardener taught me that. The critters were eating my good hoses to get at the water they smelled sitting inside. I installed a small “pond”, and had no more problems. It was a buried kiddie pool with lily pads and minnows to eat mosquito larvae. I did have a problem that I thought was juvenile kids stealing water lilies and leaving them to die in the yard, but found out it was a playful dog.
    you can also buy large quantities of red pepper as restaurant supply and carefully sprinkle some around every week. It’s much cheaper and the same stuff they sell for a higher price with a fancy label to deter deer or squirrels. In some locations I had to mix it with the bird seed because the squirrels were defeating the squirrel proof feeders.

  138. 138.

    Gloria DryGarden

    June 7, 2025 at 12:01 am

    @Baud: feminists use these words too, and often quite sharply..

  139. 139.

    Craig

    June 7, 2025 at 12:01 am

    1. @Marc: I miss the Marin City flea market.
  140. 140.

    Gloria DryGarden

    June 7, 2025 at 12:04 am

    @Gvg: piggybacking on to say, steep the red pepper in water, spray on surfaces and items you wish to protect. Depending on critter, garlic in the concoction. Or some garden centers sell urine of different animals…to repel.

  141. 141.

    prostratedragon

    June 7, 2025 at 12:05 am

    @Nukular Biskits:

    Just today saw a cooking show featurette reminiscing about the original edition Joy of Cooking, which includes the squirrel and|or possum version. That’s one my Southern-reared family left down there, though we did have rabbit on the barbie a time or two.

  142. 142.

    Gloria DryGarden

    June 7, 2025 at 12:09 am

    @lamh47: books on tape? I hear that helps some people. 2 hours each way is super long. You can’t really have a life after that, can you?

    I don’t know your traffic patterns, but sometimes leaving 20 minutes earlier, or later, shortens a drive and lessens the traffic one is stuck in. In Denver this is true anyway. May you find your way through this.

  143. 143.

    Gloria DryGarden

    June 7, 2025 at 12:16 am

    @Nukular Biskits: oh no. Cherokee purples are sacred. Even better than sungolds, but you have to wait so long for them…

  144. 144.

    Gloria DryGarden

    June 7, 2025 at 12:35 am

    @lamh47: if they would let you leave a half hour early and stay that half hour late on alt days, perhaps that would offset the timing, and get you a shorter trip.

    Maybe pick up some food, or do an errand close to work, before the commute, to delay it, no hopefully get less traffic. I hate rush hour, I’ll go out if my way to avoid it. my tricks may or may not be useful for others.

  145. 145.

    pieceofpeace

    June 7, 2025 at 1:15 am

    @lamh47:   I could take a guess at the area where you work.  I used to do the same Palo Alto commute, only to Berkeley, but that was long ago.

    It occurred to me that ferry boating would have worked well.  Can you bike to and from CalTrain on each end?  It has dedicated bike placement.

    Good luck, sorry I have no other ideas.

  146. 146.

    prostratedragon

    June 7, 2025 at 1:43 am

    Last night, heard Randall Goosby play this Florence Price concerto with the local band. If you need something to do in Chicago tonight, you can probably get tickets. Rest of the program’s pretty nice, too.

  147. 147.

    JWR

    June 7, 2025 at 2:10 am

    Has this been covered today? It’s been all over Los Angeles TV news all afternoon and evening. From NBC tonight:

    LOS ANGELES — Federal immigration authorities raided three locations across the city on Friday, officials said, in “chaotic” action that drew immediate rebuke from local lawmakers and a distanced response from L.A. law enforcement.

    “Today, ICE officers and agents alongside partner law enforcement agencies, executed four ​federal search warrants at three location in central Los Angeles,” a statement from the Homeland Security Investigations said.

    As federal agents — often wearing camouflage and bulletproof vests with their faces covered — burst into buildings, protesters and supporters soon showed up creating tense scenes throughout the city.

    […]

    Gov. Gavin Newsom strongly denounced the raids.

    “Continued chaotic federal sweeps, across California, to meet an arbitrary arrest quota are as reckless as they are cruel,” Newsom said in a statement. “Donald Trump’s chaos is eroding trust, tearing families apart, and undermining the workers and industries that power America’s economy.”

  148. 148.

    🐾BillinGlendaleCA

    June 7, 2025 at 2:49 am

    @JWR: I stopped by my store this evening and our hardware guy was saying that two of the locations that they raided were Home Depots(Wilshire and Cypress Park).  I don’t know if they went inside the stores or just picked up the day laborers outside.

  149. 149.

    JWR

    June 7, 2025 at 3:00 am

    More on today’s practice Nazi raids. This time from KTLA:

    A series of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) raids ignited widespread protests, confrontations and scenes of chaos as federal agents detained at least 44 individuals across Los Angeles on Friday.

    Protesters swarmed the streets, some jumping in front of law enforcement vehicles, as KTLA captured the escalating tensions from both the air and ground through the day and night.

    Agents moved in on at least three locations throughout the day. One of the most visible confrontations took place outside a Home Depot in the Westlake District, where day laborers often gather for temporary work.

    ICE agents in riot gear were seen clashing with and chasing people through the parking lot as stunned shoppers looked on.

    Remember when we all said to the idiot Trump voters that they had no idea what mass deportations would look like? Welp, it begins. :(

  150. 150.

    JWR

    June 7, 2025 at 3:06 am

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: I don’t know where on the premises they were picked up, but yeah, Home Depot was one of those hit. The TV was speculating that some further action was being planned for tomorrow, but only speculation on that point.

    PS. I hope all’s well!

  151. 151.

    Nettoyeur

    June 7, 2025 at 3:19 am

    @Suzanne: Mean girls in high school

  152. 152.

    JWR

    June 7, 2025 at 4:47 am

    Bibi Netanyahu, doing the Lord’s work (of ensuring a ready made enemy once he’s done using Hamas to keep his sorry ass out of jail.)

    (CNN) — Israel is arming local militias in Gaza in an effort to counter Hamas in the besieged enclave, officials say, as opposition politicians warned that the move endangers national security.

    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu defended the covert enterprise on Thursday, calling it “a good thing.” In a video posted on social media, Netanyahu said Israel had “activated clans in Gaza which oppose Hamas,” and that it was done “under the advice of security elements.”

    […]

    Opposition politicians ripped Netanyahu for the plan to arm militias and the secrecy around it, lambasting it as a continuation of the Israeli leader’s decision to allow millions of dollars in cash to travel from Qatar to Gaza beginning in late 2018. They accused him of strengthening Hamas in the past as an alternative to the rival Palestinian Fatah faction, and now arming gangs as an alternative to Hamas.

  153. 153.

    Jay

    June 7, 2025 at 4:51 am

    @JWR:

    Creating, arming and funding Hamas worked out so well for Israel to undermine the PLA, that they are trying it again, with ISIS, to undermine Hamas.

  154. 154.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    June 7, 2025 at 5:05 am

    @lamh47:  Consider moving to Hayward/ Union City/ Fremont. The commute would be a lot better there.

  155. 155.

    Gregory

    June 7, 2025 at 9:16 am

    Some of y’all can’t handle 2 high agency males going at it and it really shows

    The responses on BlueSky have been hilarious. They’re mostly photos like Bert and Ernie or SpongeBob and Squidward or the two cowboys from Brokeback Mountain.

  156. 156.

    Paul in KY

    June 8, 2025 at 8:33 am

    @different-church-lady: Not me, nosiree.

  157. 157.

    Paul in KY

    June 8, 2025 at 8:34 am

    @Baud: I would assume they are. Also. Too.

  158. 158.

    Paul in KY

    June 8, 2025 at 8:35 am

    @lamh47: Assume you are in Nashville or Atlanta? Both those cities have terrible traffic. Wherever you are, I hope you can get a better job soon.

    Edit: See it is out in Palo Alto

  159. 159.

    Paul in KY

    June 8, 2025 at 8:36 am

    @MagdaInBlack: Chicago really bad too. I feel for you.

  160. 160.

    Paul in KY

    June 8, 2025 at 8:37 am

    @Nukular Biskits: Duly noted. You may install and activate fence!

  161. 161.

    Paul in KY

    June 8, 2025 at 8:38 am

    @lamh47: Can your employer move these current hours abit so you miss the worst of it?

  162. 162.

    Paul in KY

    June 8, 2025 at 8:48 am

    @The Audacity of Krope: Also predators can be around ye ole water hole

  163. 163.

    Paul in KY

    June 8, 2025 at 8:51 am

    @WTFGhost: I am sorry about you & your wife getting the Rona. Am glad that you now understand and appreciate our modern health care system :-)

  164. 164.

    Paul in KY

    June 8, 2025 at 8:55 am

    @WTFGhost: You need to take this very serious, as you appear to be doing. Best luck to you and your wife!

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