Hundreds of National Guard troops dispatched by President Donald Trump arrived on Sunday, a move Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) called “unconstitutional,” as protesters continued demonstrating against the Trump administration’s immigration crackdown. wapo.st/3HxkXAK
— The Washington Post (@washingtonpost.com) June 9, 2025 at 7:38 AM
LOS ANGELES — Hundreds of National Guard troops dispatched by President Donald Trump arrived here Sunday, a move Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) called “unconstitutional,” as protesters continued demonstrating against the Trump administration’s immigration crackdown.
While calm reigned for much of the day, tensions flared anew in the afternoon as authorities lobbed tear gas at a growing crowd of protesters gathered by the Edward R. Roybal Federal Building, which houses an immigration detention center near the city’s downtown core. Los Angeles police said people in the crowd were “throwing concrete, bottles and other objects” and that officers had begun making arrests and telling people to disperse.
In an interview with MSNBC, Newsom said Sunday that California would sue the administration over the deployment of the National Guard. “Commandeering a state’s National Guard without consulting the Governor of that state is illegal and immoral,” he wrote on X.
The National Guard’s arrival marks a new, potentially volatile phase in the Trump administration’s push to ramp up deportations and its contentious relationship with state and local authorities.
Trump ordered 2,000 National Guard personnel over the weekend to deploy following protests against immigration raids in the Los Angeles area that at times turned violent. And he acted over the objections of state and local officials in California — a state that is a frequent target of Trump’s ire — who denounced the move as unnecessary and incendiary…
On Sunday, the unease in Los Angeles grew as the day wore on. Several hundred protesters marched more than a mile from Mariachi Plaza to the federal building with an immigration detention center on the edge of the city’s downtown.
Most protesters appeared peaceful, though at least one man threw a water bottle toward the dozens of police officers in riot gear positioned by the detention center. More than two dozen National Guard members also appeared to be located there as well.
At one point, the National Guard members donned masks and police released a white cloud of what appeared to be noxious tear gas before firing volleys of what sounded like pepper balls. The crowd scattered, running to nearby streets, before many returned to their protest…
Trump said he was not yet at the point of invoking the Insurrection Act to quell the Los Angeles demonstrations, but was watching the situation closely to determine whether he would do so. The president also said he would decide that based on his own instincts.
“The bar is what I think it is,” he said of whether he’d invoke the 1807 act, which lets the president deploy the military for domestic law enforcement. “If we see danger to our country and to our citizens, we will be very, very strong in terms of law and order.”
State and local officials have pleaded with the Trump administration not to deploy troops to the area, including making unsuccessful direct appeals…
More at the link.
Around 300 National Guard members are in L.A. after President Donald Trump ordered the deployment of 2,000 troops in a move California Gov. Gavin Newsom criticized as inflammatory. About 500 Marines are also ready to deploy. NBC News' Courtney Kube discusses.
www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/…— MSNBC (@msnbc.com) June 9, 2025 at 8:03 AM
If you’re home alone or with family members and you hear a knock at the door, check the window, security camera or peephole so you can identify whether ICE agents are outside.
— Bruno J. Navarro (@brunojnavarro.bsky.social) June 9, 2025 at 8:13 AM
California Lt. Gov. Eleni Kounalakis tells CNN she anticipates that California leaders will file a federal lawsuit against the Trump admin over the federalization and deployment of the National Guard in Los Angeles.
— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1.bsky.social) June 9, 2025 at 8:20 AM
Local residents in one Los Angeles-area community cleaned up streets and erased graffiti while expressing dismay at the damage caused during violent clashes between protesters and immigration authorities over the weekend.
— The Associated Press (@apnews.com) June 8, 2025 at 11:00 PM
'Arrest me': Gov. Gavin Newsom pushes back against threats of arrest by Trump administration www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMW8…
— Morning Joe (@morningjoe-msnbc.bsky.social) June 9, 2025 at 8:29 AM
Max Boot: Pete Hegseth is ready and willing to send Marines into Los Angeles to curry favor with Trump. "This is not what you want in a situation like this, a trigger-happy secretary of defense looking for confrontations at home."
#ProudBlue #TrumpIsUnfitForOffice #ICEProtests #FuckTrump— LA Blue Dot in GA (@namwella1961.bsky.social) June 9, 2025 at 8:02 AM
On The Road – Albatrossity – April Avifauna Again!
Baud
Donald the Dove.
WereBear
And we thought he’d never learn efficiency.
Giving some money to my favorite AG, Tish “Put your gonads in the Mason jar, Donald” James.
UncleEbeneezer
Disgraceful, disgusting stuff. Make sure you all reach out to the people who told you not to vote, told you there was no difference between Dems and Trump or defended those who did, and tell them to go F themselves forever, because this is all on them. Old Joe Biden certainly wouldn’t have done this bullshit…
comrade scotts agenda of rage
Ah, this answers a question I raised yesterday: have lawsuits been filed.
Apparently, that’ll happen today.
The historical parallels in some ways, are depressing. It’s the late 60s/early 70s with state power (not ‘state’ and in “the state of CA” but in “the political state in this case representing Federal authorities”) being brought to bear on protesters.
It also echoes the McCarthy era in terms of fear of said state bringing its power to bear on what it deems as ‘threatening’ (in a massively broad sense of the word) to the well being of how the ‘state’ (in this case a presidential administration) is defined.
We’ve been in a cold civil war for years now. This could be an indication of that getting warmer. Sigh.
NotMax
Longish for a Monday morn but nevertheless a worthwhile watch.
David Cay Johnston has his head screwed on straight.
Soprano2
@Baud: LOL, she should never be allowed to live that down.
What I hate is that it’s hard to tell what’s actually happening in LA right now. I saw some overhead footage of some of the deployed Guard, and my first thought was “where are all these protesters? I don’t see them”. Finally, when the camera panned some more, I saw some people who I think were protesters.
UncleEbeneezer
@Baud: I remember activists Gaza-obsessed friends lying about how much Biden hated protesters and would do something like this
(spoiler: he never did ANYTHING like this)
Matt McIrvin
@UncleEbeneezer: Make sure they know what’s actually going on, though, because some may actually support Trump here.
Villiageidiocy
Don’t know how many of you are on blue sky, but coverage there is more thorough than regular media. See the cop shooting an Australian reporter (rubber bullet) from behind
https://bsky.app/profile/bubbaprog.lol/post/3lr5er5twjs2a
Doug R
@UncleEbeneezer:
I’ll often go on a thread and say “At least we didn’t get genocide joe, amiright?”
Baud
@UncleEbeneezer:
Biden certainly wouldn’t go around the governor to federalize the National Guard or deploy the regular armed forces.
We live in a time when a lot of people treat their imagination as reality.
zhena gogolia
@Soprano2: Who’s “she”? I don’t remember this.
Matt McIrvin
@comrade scotts agenda of rage: I always remind myself that most people thought the Kent State victims had it coming.
Baud
@Doug R:
I mean, Joe wasn’t even on the ballot, so no one had to settle for him.
Soprano2
@Matt McIrvin: I don’t remember who posted the link, but I read that story where someone anonymously interviewed a FFOTUS supporter who went from Bernie to FFOTUS, and is now regretting their vote for FFOTUS but is back to Bernie! (evidently they were one of those people who created a fantasy FFOTUS rather than listening to what he was actually saying he was going to do) I thought of Schrodinger’s Cat when I was reading that, because she talks about this a lot. I think this guy was a tech bro.
Layer8Problem
@zhena gogolia: That silly Maureen Dowd person, with the clever alliteration.
brendancalling
@comrade scotts agenda of rage: I think that’s what’s coming. Trumples is going after blue states exclusively, and that isn’t going to fly.
Scout211
The Daily Beast also highlighted another part of Newsom’s interview with MSNBC that is getting some attention. ( link goes to web archive version)
Trump lying about a phone call to a US or world leader? Inconceivable!
But calling Trump a “stone cold liar?” Please, more of this.
zhena gogolia
@Layer8Problem: Oh. Vomit.
Matt McIrvin
@brendancalling: Why won’t it fly? It seems like an effective strategy to me. Most people don’t like us and probably want to see us punished.
Soprano2
@zhena gogolia: Maureen Dowd wrote an op-ed in 2016 called “Hillary the Hawk, Donald the Dove”. She should never be allowed to forget that idiocy.
NeenerNeener
If this is true then we’ll never have a clean election to get rid of the @$$holes again:
https://dissentinbloom.substack.com/p/the-machines-were-changed-before
Soprano2
@Matt McIrvin: Lots of people thought that if they just shot a few of those college protesters they would stop protesting. Lots of people think the same kind of thing now.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@Scout211: I am honestly surprised the tone police aren’t having the vapors for Newsom calling Taco a liar.
Soprano2
@brendancalling: Yes, where are the huge raids in Houston and Dallas and Miami and Orlando, because you know there are large amounts of undocumented people in all of those cities.
Gloria DryGarden
@Soprano2: someone who likes flouts and Bernie, is someone who prefers a demagogue. Must not have grown up with anyone shorty in the family. Or they had a good experience with shorty people in their lives.
I can’t imagine that anyone who’s grown up with a narcissist, a bully or an abuser in the family would have ever wanted the guy who’s now in the WH..
Meanwhile, going after blue states, when blue states provide a majority of the economic prosperity and tax base of the country (yet are not equally represented), seems thoughtless.
Soprano2
No matter what you think of Newsom, this is the absolute truth. FFOTUS is creating “emergencies” out of thin air, and then claiming he’s fixing whatever he says the “emergency” is.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
I’ve also seen references to Newsom sending in the state police to arrest ICE protesters.
As much as I dislike Governor Goodhair II, I don’t wanna beat on him for spurious reasons.
If he has, it would be good to get a statement clarifying wtf is going on. This could be just one big pissing contest of jurisdiction in that the Governor doesn’t want the Feds infringing on his right to arrest protesters.
Again who knows. There are plenty of photos tho showing state pohlice cars being stalled/stopped while enroute by protesters heaving e-scooters at them from an overpass.
dmsilev
@Soprano2: I met some of the protestors after the fact. I was heading home from a concert, taking the metro, and a bunch of people who had been at the protests were on the train. Trains. One leg of the light rail system was closed because of the protests (or really, because of the massive overreaction to same), so we were told to take a somewhat roundabout route to get to Union Station.
Anyway, one guy I talked to was clearly experienced at this sort of thing. He was wearing a set of motorcycle leathers as armor of sorts and knew what sort of things the police would be doing. Said he got out unscathed, but that he saw police literally beating on other people.
Other than that, lots of people carrying signs. Lots of conversations about the appalling things ICE is doing. One plume of smoke visible in the distance from Union Station, which I later learned was from 3 Waymo vehicles that some protestors apparently had set on fire. Not sure I understand the point of that one.
Layer8Problem
I’m reliably informed by Democrats Abroad that there are going to be No Kings rallies in Paris and Lyon.
Baud
@Matt McIrvin:
And those are just the Democrats.
Baud
@Layer8Problem:
Not in UK?
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@Soprano2:
Just one example.
Whenever the Smithsonian gets around to opening the American Museum of Feckless Journalism, her statue will be right there at the entrance along with David Brooks.
Soprano2
@Gloria DryGarden: That was one of my thoughts, that this person equates “shouty old man” with “strong and competent and great”. I don’t know how anyone who complained about Biden’s age could want Bernie, but there are people like that. It’s not about age, it’s about how someone presents to the world. If they seem old, people think of them as old whether they’re old or not.
Baud
@comrade scotts agenda of rage:
Who gets to do the arrests is no small issue.
Melancholy Jaques
@Soprano2:
These protests are very small by Los Angeles standards. Right now, there doesn’t appear to be any organization to the protests, so it’s spontaneous reactions.
Los Angeles County reportedly has almost a million unauthorized residents. Add in their families and friends. That would be quite a crowd.
Layer8Problem
@Baud: Beats me, but I expect there would be. We have anybody on this blog who speaks UKian?
Matt McIrvin
@Soprano2: Most of the old Bernie fans I know would not support Trump in a billion years, but I can see a certain type of techbro taking that trajectory.
Melancholy Jaques
@Soprano2:
Maureen Dowd will go to her grave believing that helping to keep Hillary Clinton out of the White House was her finest hour.
Booger
It’s the beginning of the Butlerian Jihad.
Layer8Problem
@Booger: About time too.
TONYG
I wonder how many National Guard troops (a high percentage of whom are non-“white”) will just disobey orders to fire on non-violent protestors? What happens then? Do their officers then shoot them in the back with their sidearms? Is there then a gunfight between National Guard troops? What a clusterfuck.
Matt McIrvin
@Gloria DryGarden:
OK, but this is the same thing rich assholes say, right? (Most of whom live in blue states.) “Why are you picking on us? We’re the job creators, we bear the tax burden.” It’s not an emotionally convincing appeal.
That’s the thing about picking on blue states, you can frame it as anti-elite even if you’re the billionaires’ party.
tobie
@Soprano2: I suspect this means that an unrelenting campaign to tarnish the “the Dem brand” has worked. The hate for Dems across the political spectrum has nothing to do with policy. It’s just a knee jerk reaction. I see it all the time when I lurk on BlueSky. There’s no easier posture to take than to batch about “feckless Dems.”
schrodingers_cat
@Baud: NYTimes the Pravda.
Baud
@tobie:
I think it’s worked.
schrodingers_cat
@Matt McIrvin: Oh my friend had made that journey from BS sister to a Jill Stein voter to a “reluctant” T supporter by 2017. After which I cut her loose. I wouldn’t be surprised if she has gone full MAHA.
schrodingers_cat
@Baud: Definitely, among white people.
Belafon
@Soprano2: There have been smaller ones in Dallas. I eventually expect the bigger ones to occur, especially when the current mayor – who switched from being a Democrat to a Republican after being elected – loses the next election.
Doug R
@Baud:
Then we had what suspiciously sounded like the Illinois nazis speech in Blues Brothers: “The jew is using the black”…
brendancalling
@Matt McIrvin: Maybe I should clarify: it won’t fly with blue states. And if you think blue states won’t fight back, you’re crazy.
Belafon
@Melancholy Jaques: There’s a bsky post of someone selling bacon wrapped hotdogs at the protest, and another of a group of people doing line dancing. All of this occurred before the smoke canisters started.
Soapdish
@NeenerNeener: “If this is true” is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. I’m still waiting on any independent verification of anything SMART Elections has done.
Belafon
@Matt McIrvin:
This is only equivalent if you’re the United Healthcare CEO.
Matt McIrvin
@brendancalling: how many divisions do we have? National Guard evidently doesn’t count.
tobie
@Layer8Problem: And in Berlin!
Doug R
@Layer8Problem:
We have anybody on this blog who speaks UKian?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGuGzH3Ne5w
schrodingers_cat
Tankies want open borders, they start with a maximalist position which few elected Ds support but we get saddled with it because Berner spawn in the Congress parrot those slogans. Think, Defund the Police
I personally support something along the bipartisan immigration reform that passed the senate during the W years. Which BTW Saint Sanders voted against.
Matt McIrvin
@schrodingers_cat: I knew someone who went Ron Paul to Stein to Trump. If you were a Ron Paul fan, that was a warning sign from the beginning, but I can see some of the people like that who got vaguely lumped in with the left during the Bush years going through a Bernie phase.
schrodingers_cat
@Matt McIrvin: Hah, my friend was Ron Paul curious back in the day but Barack Obama blew her away.
Doug R
@Matt McIrvin:
Y’all have MORE guns than people FFS.
Belafon
@Doug R: The hoarders that make that possible are wingers. Now, they’re only going to be able to shoot one at a time, so they’re not as effective as they would believe, but we can’t count on them.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@Matt McIrvin: Mubarak had all of the divisions in Egypt and then Arab Spring happened.
Betty Cracker
@Soprano2: I don’t know about Texas, but there are plenty of raids happening in Florida.
schrodingers_cat
@Baud: We can thank both Bernie Sanders and Trump for that and for our media bros too.
schrodingers_cat
@Betty Cracker: Are those raids in blue strongholds of red states?
Gloria DryGarden
@Gloria DryGarden: fixing autocorrect things:
shouty
shortyffotus
floutssorry.
Betty Cracker
@schrodingers_cat: All over the state. There was a raid at a construction site in The Villages a while back, and it doesn’t get any redder than that.
oldgold
Trump does not understand much, but he understands television. The protestors, unfortunately, do not. The visuals have just been awful. As Marshall McLuhan sagely observed years ago, television is a cool medium. It hates hot.
schrodingers_cat
@Betty Cracker: Thanks. In MA they seem to be targetting deep blue parts of the state.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@schrodingers_cat:
A big problem is trying to track and document where the raids are happening.
Your question got me thinking about the raids here in CO. I would expect most of them to be along the Front Range cuz that’s where the people ara.
But trying to pinpoint every one? That’s a tough one to track and we all know this (mal)Administration will do it’s best to keep that information unavailable.
Timill
@Layer8Problem: In the UK we have kings. A “No Kings” demo would be treasonous…
I expect there will be anti-Trump protests. With balloons, even.
Baud
@Timill:
Hopefully some balloon tacos. Or real tacos!
Belafon
@Timill: You could have a “No Elected Kings” demonstration.
Gloria DryGarden
@comrade scotts agenda of rage: it would be amazing to get photos of these ice guys getting out of their vehicles. Snap photos of license plates, maybe faces when possible. Find out where they eat, follow them onto restaurants to photograph faces. Expose their identities. police and military have badges, name tags.
Do you think, when we do guess where and when raids will happen, that this could be viable and useful?
thanks
Gloria DryGarden
@Timill: then, no tyrants, no authoritarians, no dictators. Like that.
Melancholy Jaques
@Belafon:
The bacon-wrapped hot dog. Peppers and onions optional.
So LA.
Bupalos
@UncleEbeneezer: Yes, what we need right now is for everyone to run to their nearest point of interaction with the people they disagree with and scream “fuck you forever!!” Perhaps bring a brick and Mexican flag with you. This is the one move Donald Trump has not counted on!!
Timill
@Gloria DryGarden: “2 No Trump”, maybe? Sound like a contract?
Layer8Problem
@tobie: Excellent!
Baud
I just asked Google something and the AI gave the correct answer. Screw the haters.
Layer8Problem
@Belafon:
That works. One could ask the current incumbent “Who died and elected you king?”
Current Incumbent: “Well, actually, . . . “
Bupalos
There are a lot of ways to lose here and pretty much only one way to win or even make incremental progress: make the ICE action appear to be what it is, a deliberate provocation via cruelty.
I think Trump is more aware than we are of our own weaknesses.
Matt McIrvin
@Baud: Experiments with the operant conditioning of pigeons showed that a random reward was a far more powerful spur to behavior than a consistent one.
Layer8Problem
@Bupalos: Yes, brilliant. Bouquets and reasoned arguments haven’t been tried yet.
Soprano2
@Betty Cracker: I think it’s interesting that they aren’t getting much coverage. Maybe because there aren’t any protesters or much resistance in those places.
Matt McIrvin
@schrodingers_cat: This dude despised Obama and liked to bait liberals about how they only voted for that warmongering Republican-lite because he was black. And he had this festering hate-on for affirmative action. So, perfect “anti-imperialist” MAGA fodder.
Philbert
@Bupalos: Yell at your friends and coworkers too! That always works!
Baud
@Matt McIrvin:
Now I’m hungry for crackers.
lowtechcyclist
@Timill:
Of course it sounds like a contract! (“Gee, Mom, isn’t that bridge built yet?”) But stopping at 2 No Trump just says you don’t got game.
Layer8Problem
@lowtechcyclist: Our goal, as always, is Step 3: Profit.
Wapiti
@Matt McIrvin: iincluding the two Kent State student who weren’t protesting, but observing it between classes. Bad shooting or targets of opportunity?
Matt McIrvin
@Belafon: I know some armed Democrats. I’m sure not one of them nor have any plans to be. But the same observation applies to us as to winger gun hoarders: your pop gun is not much help against tanks and Predator drones, and even asymmetric warfare requires organization. If that’s happening I’m not aware of it. Which is possibly for the best.
Bupalos
I think we need a better term than “civil war.” There are no salient political boundaries here, not between regions, between states, or between urban and rural. We’re experiencing heightened polarization across the electorate, everywhere, which is likely to continue apace. This simply dissolves the bonds of national solidarity and purpose and paralyzes the state. It just withers away without any organized conflict. We’re taking a big national acid bath, not dividing coherently into armed camps.
Baud
Dear NBC, it’s because being qualified is disqualifying for a senior level position in the Trump administration.
Gloria DryGarden
@Timill: I don’t understand 2 no trump. It doesn’t make sense to me.
im thinking I know of a man who would dip his tacos in ketchup though. Talk about cognitive dissonance and culinary illiteracy.
if your slogan works for you, go for it.
Jeffg166
What this guy says.
https://x.com/TheTNHoller/status/1932068519681626162?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1932068519681626162%7Ctwgr%5E9436b5d779134bfb68d2160e811b253143d05a33%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fdigbysblog.net%2F
Professor Bigfoot
@Belafon: Well, yeah, *I* might only be able to shoot one at a time, but I have friends and neighbors— in fact, am working to build those relationships now.
Gloria DryGarden
@Bupalos: no. No bricks. They want to incite us to violence so they have an excuse. Don’t go there. I entreat you.
Splitting Image
@Gloria DryGarden:
It’s a bid in contract bridge.
Omnes Omnibus
@Matt McIrvin: If anyone were doing anything like that, I would like to think that they would not discuss it here.
Baud
@Omnes Omnibus:
The public Internet is exclusively for keyboard commandoes.
Omnes Omnibus
@Baud: And cat pictures. And porn.
Matt McIrvin
@Timill: The British (and the Commonwealth Realms) mostly managed to defang their royals, like many European monarchies. But “No Kings” is very much an American (US) slogan, intended for an American audience.
schrodingers_cat
@Omnes Omnibus: And communist cosplayers who can’t live without their Doordash and iPhones.
Old Man Shadow
Maybe if the lawsuit doesn’t work, we can send a very strongly worded letter to Mr. Trump asking him to maybe, please think about not invading a U.S. States and brutally oppressing its citizens if he feels like it and get assurances that his aide will in fact get the letter to him or give him the gist of it provided he is not distracted by Candy Crush.
MazeDancer
ICYMI – The Original Broadway Cast of Hamilton performed a medley at the Tony’s to celebrate the play’s 10th Anniversary.
Here’s the video link.
Very nice wardrobe, too.
Sometimes, between fierce determinism and quiet despair, I think we did it before, we can do it again. But the British didn’t have tanks and automatic weapons.
And easy for me to say from a very removed distance of my tiny village.
Bupalos
@Gloria DryGarden: I don’t use the sarcasm font.
Professor Bigfoot
@Matt McIrvin: Man, I hear you and you are 100% correct.
I’m not armed to fight the US Army, I got better fuckin’ sense than to take THEM deadly-ass MFs on.
I’m armed against the night riders, the lynch mobs, the people who want to re-enact the Sack of Black Wall Street and the Burning of Rosewood.
The Black tradition of arms eschews political violence; again, we know better.
But it embraces armed individual self defense. Some of those Freedom Riders (blessings upon them) slept safely at night because armed Black men kept the Klan at bay… there is a very good case to be made that the modern Civil Rights Movement would have been strangled in its crib by nightriders, Klansmen, and “White Citizens Councils.”
comrade scotts agenda of rage
Here’s something we haven’t considered that comes via my normie wife and her morning Totebagger Radio session:
This all started on Friday and look at what it’s done? It’s driven the entire Hair Furor-Edolf imbroglio off the media radar screen.
Typical media manipulation by the man and was picked up on as a possibility by a media source not typically known in it’s mainstream morning coverage to say such things.
Good on them for pointing it out but it’s deja vu all over again as one awful thing is done to make everyone forget about the last awful thing (or awful thing that reflects negatively–remember how SignalGate was gonna have traction?).
Dorothy A. Winsor
I see Newsom is busy trying to redeem himself by telling Homan to go ahead and arrest me, tough guy!
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@Professor Bigfoot: From what I read most the civil rights movement was to force the racists to do their shit out in public, instead of in the middle of night.
YY_Sima Qian
When was the last time the US military was employed to quell civil unrest, not armed insurrection? WW I? The Civil War (in the North)?
Betty Cracker
@Soprano2: There is plenty of local coverage, and I’ve seen some national stories too. When raids go down in populated areas, people tend to show up — saw that happening in Miami and Tampa. Maybe you have to be looking for it, but it is being covered.
I agree with the consensus here that Trump rolled troops into LA to provoke a reaction and set up a narrative to regain public support. He probably won’t do the same show of force thing in red states because it doesn’t help him politically, but he’s out to screw all of us.
Matt McIrvin
@Professor Bigfoot: I’ve gotten suspicious of “armed individual self-defense” because I’ve mostly seen the NRA version of it that is built around this racist fantasy of blowing away a gang of home invaders and tells you you need a million guns. But I get the sense that the Black version of it was a lot more disciplined and pragmatic.
dr. luba
@Villiageidiocy: I saw that. Abominable. You can see the cop aiming at her. It was not a mistake.
Fucking fascists.
Ocotillo
@zhena gogolia:
Maureen Dowd. She was on the CBS Sunday Morning Show yesterday in a piece about Shakespeare and she had the lack of self-awareness to compare Biden to King Lear, an aged figure without the self-awareness to step aside for a younger generation to take his place.
Mo, looking at your 20-year tenure at the Times it’s time for you to step aside for a younger generation of writer to be on the Op Ed page. Your mean girl act is as tired as you are.
YY_Sima Qian
Huh, maybe it’s TACO night on the tech. war front, too. Or at least the most recent escalations:
Kind of reminiscent of the TACO maneuver to pause the tit for tat tariff war. After all of the Sturm & Drang, retreat back to the starting position, having accomplished nothing except to make the PRC’s leverage over the US plain for the world to see, & make dependence on US origin tech. that much less desirable.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@YY_Sima Qian: 92 they deployed the US army to put down the Rodney King Riots, but as I mention, two of my friends who were deployed during it though they were there to protect the locals from the LAPD.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@YY_Sima Qian:
https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/08/us/national-guard-trump-history-los-angeles
Plenty more examples of federalizing the National Guard:
https://theconversation.com/from-kent-state-to-los-angeles-using-armed-forces-to-police-civilians-is-a-high-risk-strategy-258468
Geminid
@Betty Cracker: This is way off topic, but I’m wondering if you’ve noticed any of the new solar installations in Florida. I read an Oil Price Magazine article published yesterday that said Florida was adding the second-most utility-scale solar installations in the nation, behind only Texas. Florida was also second in new residential installations.
Current solar generation capacity by state shows California first with 52 Gigawatts; Texas second with 41.4 Gw; and Florida 3rd at 18 Gw. A May 19 Tampa Bay Business Journal article said Florida’s solar generation capacity jumped by 30% in the last year. Solar power accounts for only 8% of the state’s production, so there’s a use for plenty more.
S Cerevisiae
@YY_Sima Qian: Wounded Knee 1 & 2.
YY_Sima Qian
@Enhanced Voting Techniques:
@comrade scotts agenda of rage:
I was thinking of Hegseth putting the Marines “at the ready”.
I meant when was the last time the active duty military was employed domestically to quell “unrest”.
zhena gogolia
@MazeDancer: Thanks! I think Hamilton is immortal. The songs have so much relevance still today.
zhena gogolia
@Ocotillo: As I said, vomit.
Almost Retired
Guess I’m going to get to eyeball a little history myself this morning. I have an 11:00 a.m. meeting in downtown Los Angeles followed by my usual DTLA ritual of lunch at Grand Central Market and a visit to The Last Bookstore. But now with bonus tear gas.
Another Scott
@Soprano2:
Or even where it is happening. I.e. “LA” the City is different from “LA” the County. It looks like Paramount, CA is south of the City, east of Compton, north of Long Beach.
On the NPR news summary this AM, the reader mentioned “cars set on fire by protesters” while someone else related here(?) that at least one of the cars was a driver’s car set alight by ICE with their indiscriminate flash grenades. Who is right? Both? Neither? Who knows?
There’s lots of sloppy reporting on this stuff, lots of demands for compelling images and videos. Lots of attempts to force this into preset narratives.
We need to be skeptical of all the reporting and photos and videos.
I think Newsom and Bass are handling this correctly at the moment. The local politicians and local people out there need to find ways to keep the hehe let’s burn-it-all-down folk from hijacking the legitimate protests and playing into the monsters’ hands.
Thanks.
Best wishes,
Scott.
Ghost of Joe Lebling’s Dog
@Jeffg166: Cleaned linkie : https://nitter.poast.org/TheTNHoller/status/1932068519681626162
Professor Bigfoot
@Matt McIrvin: It absolutely is.
I highly recommend Nicholas Johnson’s book, “Negroes and the Gun: The Black Tradition of Arms.”
PJ
@Ocotillo: Either Dowd has never seen or read Lear, or is suffering cognitive decline, because the decision which sets the play in motion and makes it a tragedy is that Lear decides to step down in favor of his two conniving daughters! If he had not abdicated, his kingdom would have remained at peace and so many would not have suffered.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@Geminid:
Gotta link for the solar generation rankings?
I’ve railed before about how feckless local public utility commissions allow private utility companies to in effect stifle meaningful solar residential installations.
And the proof is in the portfolio of said utility companies. For example, here in CO, Xcel’s solar component has remained static for 8 years while wind has grown tremendously.
Why the difference? They own the wind farms, they don’t necessarily own residential solar.
I’ve got an old friend in NM who’s up to his eyeballs with the state legislature over exactly this issue because it’s ludicrous that states like ours don’t have consistent solar growth in overall portfolios.
Eyeroller
@Ocotillo: More like 30 years at the Times (started her column in 1995) and she’s 73, but those opinion-havers never retire since it’s such a cushy sinecure.
Somebody else (PJ) already pointed out that it’s not even a good analogy.
Baud
@Ocotillo:
I’m just glad CBS Sunday Morning Show had time yesterday to discuss that critically important story.
brendancalling
@Matt McIrvin: You can give up and submit if you want. Not me.
montanareddog
From The Guardian liveblog
Gloria DryGarden
@Splitting Image: thanks. I never learned bridge, but now I see..
Jeffro
Let’s see…trumpov overreaching in CA…his ‘big beautiful bill’ can’t seem to get across the finish line…his approval ratings are falling…he’s still getting into it with Elon Musk and Leonard Leo…his deportation/kidnapping scheme is (slowly, oh so slowly) being held accountable by judges…
…it’s not ideal, but there are reasons for hope if folks want to see them.
trollhattan
@montanareddog:
Wow, so maybe we do get our immigrants fight for one citizenship game show after all. Whee!
My money’s on Lupita.
Matt McIrvin
@PJ: Lear was going to die at some point, so that would just be kicking the can down the road. His problem was more that he favored flatterers who were blowing smoke up his ass, which sounds more like orange man to me.
And Biden had a fine successor picked out. If he miscalculated it was more about the electoral politics in a situation with no good options.
Sister Golden Bear
@Another Scott: Yes, Paramount is a separate city that’s about 20 miles from Downtown LA. Worth noting that many of the people weren’t even there to protest, they were driving through the area when ICE blocked the streets—and then started tear gassing them.
People—especially East Coast media elites—don’t realize just how huge LA is. The city alone is 500 square miles. The Great LA region is 4,000 square miles—with 13 million people.
The police riot involved maybe a square mile or so at most.
and maps showing Manhattan overlaid on the LA area.
oldgold
The second photograph on the street fire and the Mexican flag being waved by a masked individual is just what Trump wanted and what he got.
trollhattan
Looks like foreign correspondents can ask for combat theater pay reporting from America.
Folks used to NHS free medical care will be surprised by their ER bills.
Sister Golden Bear
@Another Scott:
There’s a lot of sloppy MSM reporting. OTOH, there’s been numerous independent journalists/citizen journalists on the ground live streaming. Obviously they only show the bits going on around them. But add up all those bit and you get a pretty good idea of what was happening—or more commonly what’s not happening, since most of the time things were peaceful until the police would escalate things.
SeattleDem
We used to have a lot of trouble with anarchists from Oregon coming to Seattle to stir up violence and overreaction by the police during Seattle’s May Day protests. I used to send my staff home at noon so they could avoid being downtown in the late afternoon when the trouble usually started. Legitimate protestors started trying to identify the assholes by their masks and black balaclavas, hoping to deter them or identify them to police. I hope those assholes haven’t started driving to LA, trying to stir up trouble there.
Peale
@oldgold: yep.
this isn’t going to move anyone who votes to take this into account when voting.
Omnes Omnibus
@oldgold: You are never going to have protests with absolute iron discipline. So your choice are imperfect protests or no protests at all. Which would you prefer?
Captain C
@PJ: Dowd may still be recovering from that time she ate about 10 times as much edible as recommended while writing a column on legalization in Colorado. It’s as good an explanation as any.
It didn’t make her any nicer, though.
Melancholy Jaques
@Another Scott:
I tried to make that point here yesterday. Media outside of Los Angeles often report the whole of Los Angeles County and sometimes even adjacent counties as Los Angeles or Los Angeles area. The county is over 4000 square miles. About 9.5 million people and nearly a million unauthorized residents.
Geminid
@comrade scotts agenda of rage: Those figures are from an Oil Price Magazine article titled “Three States Driving America’s Solar Boom,” and dated June 8 2025.
I have not followed Mew Mexico solar energy situation, but I know that state has some major wind power projects in progress. One of them isthe SunZia project in Lincoln and Torrance Counties. It will be the largest in North America, according to reporting last year when its financing was finalized. I think SunZia is supposed to be completed by the end of 2026.
There is a companion project, the Sunzia HVDC transmission line, that will connect the wind farms to the larger grid in Arizona. Project developers have signed contracts to provide power wholesale to Arizona and Southern California electrity providers.
If Quinerly ever shows up here again I mean to ask her if she’s seen any windmill blades in transit. They’re being trucked down from Pueblo and are likely passing 25 miles or so east of her place. New Mexico’s highway department is straightening out some road intersections to accomodate them.
George
@oldgold:
There is no proof that the masked person waving the Mexican flag was not someone trying to instigate a mob action, i.e, an agent planted in the crowd.
That is the way I’d have things play out if I were a fascist. Attend a legitimate protest against fascism, hide my identity, do something that will get photographed and then spread like a virus via social media or Fox News. And then pick up my paper bag of cash from an ICE agent in an alley somewhere off of Olympic Boulevard. Or maybe I’d be an ICE agent myself, doing a little OT work.
The same sort of rightwing instigators did their thing during the George Floyd protests five years ago. They will continue to do the same things now because it riles the rubes.
scav
@Matt McIrvin: I think Lear’s advisors were rather against him pulling the whole “who loves me best divide the kingdom and retire” stunt. Granted, that impression may be largely based on the one that was kicked to curb for disagreeing with the plan — and the Fool of course. Lear’s plan of a free and easy retirement lifestyle, that was perhaps misguided, especially given the character of his two elder daughters who are rather the poster children for a contract only means what’s convenient to me now style of business management. No wonder Dowd sees them as the real victims and preferred national CEOs.
raven
@George: Agent provocateur like Tommy the Traveler
oldgold
@George: You might be right, but that and $4.00 dollars will buy you a bad cup of coffee. That photograph and others like it are what Trump wanted wanted and what he got.
Belafon
@PJ: Oh, you need to go watch the CBS Sunday Morning feature about Shakespeare. Dowd just got her Masters in literary studies focused on Shakespeare.
raven
@Omnes Omnibus: Spoken like a true Madisonian!
Belafon
@Omnes Omnibus: It would take training and the leadership of MLKJr to get perfect discipline, but even then it would be easy for the protests to have white saboteurs join.
Trivia Man
@raven: our madison protest in 2 weeks will almost certainly be non violent. With the World Naked Bike Ride there is nothing to hide.
Trivia Man
@Belafon: in Seattle the real protestors learned to look at shoes. I believe they successfully outed several undercover cops because they wore police issued shoes.
dm
I’ve been wondering if a blue state could pass a modern-day Nullification Act. This one would start by acknowledging the US Constitution and Supreme Court interpretations as the supreme law of the land, but would allow for local authorities to challenge executive actions that had been struck down or enjoined in the courts.
Maybe call it “Defense of Constitutional Rights against a rogue executive” instead of “Nullification” Act, though.
Melancholy Jaques
The protests in Los Angeles are small because there is no one organizing them. The protests in Paramount were because people were being arrested at the Home Depot. (For those who may not know, the parking lots of Home Depots & Lowes draw people who are looking for general labor work.)
What we need are large, non-violent demonstrations and those require organization. The really huge pro-immigration march of May 1, 2011, was organized and promoted by a popular radio DJ. Now, I guess, it would have to be social media influencers. I have no idea who has that kind of following.
We need something like this.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@YY_Sima Qian: ’92 the US Marines were used in the riots.
Another friend of mine was LAPD (yes, both sides) and he had story him and his partner were given a squad of US Marines to support them during the riot. So, they got a call about break in at warehouse show up, tell the Marines to “cover them” as they went in to take a look, and the Marines promptly shot up the warehouse.
What could go wrong?
Emily B.
@Ocotillo: Wow, great point. And to underline it—Dowd has been at the NYT waaay longer than 20 years. I remember her byline in the 1992 election, when she was still a reporter. Her brand of snark seemed very fresh at the time. It has since curdled.
Professor Bigfoot
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: I’m reminded of the old one about how the US armed forces don’t speak the same language— tell ‘em to “secure a building,” for instance— the Air Force guys would get a long term lease, the Marines would storm it and set up defensive positions around it… yeah, “cover us” means something entirely different to Marines.
(is it wrong that I laughed a lot at this?)
George
@oldgold:
Then what exactly do you propose as a way of protesting against, or countering in some way, the abuses of the administration?
I’m just a middle-aged dude with a bad haircut and early onset gingivitis, but if there is one thing I’ve grown sick of, it is the tendency of various commenters to be uber critics of everyone who is trying to counter the administration, while at the same time neglecting to propose a realistic strategy of their own and therefore open themselves up to criticism.
Matt McIrvin
@Melancholy Jaques: Indivisible and 50501 are both organizing distributed nationwide protests but they’re not as large or concentrated and have mostly gotten these older white liberal crowds so far, so maybe that’s not quite the same thing.
trollhattan
It seems professionalism has left the building with at least one branch of the armed services.
Redshift
Just on my way back from a rally at the Justice Department calling for the release of California SEIU president David Huerta and an end to ICE raids. (Yes, I’m aware that neither of those is the jurisdiction of DOJ, but when you’re protesting for justice, the Justice Department makes a good backdrop.) Good crowd for 24 hours notice on a work day, and a huge number of unions represented.
Omnes Omnibus
@trollhattan: Someone is getting an Article 15.
Matt McIrvin
@Omnes Omnibus: Are you sure? It’s Whiskey Pete’s army now, might be grounds for a promotion.
Melancholy Jaques
@Redshift:
Justice Department where?
Omnes Omnibus
@Matt McIrvin: Art. 15s happen well below the level where that matters. It doesn’t matter if the company or battalion commander agrees with the sentiment; it’s that their unit is getting called out for being political.
Redshift
@Melancholy Jaques: Headquarters in DC.
cain
@schrodingers_cat:
They can’t be choosy – they have a quota.
The thing is, blue states aren’t hiring illegals as much as red states are. So naturally, they are going to head over there.
satby
@Matt McIrvin: god, we hate to have protests with “mostly … these older white liberal crowds”!! Wonder how they’re maneuvering to keep all the young progressives away. Those dastardly folks.
Melancholy Jaques
@Redshift:
Awesome. Keep Hope Alive!
Gretchen
@Ocotillo: Maureen Dowd has worked at the NYT for 40 years.
Baud
Bill did it!
Miss Bianca
@Ocotillo: Man, as if I didn’t already have enough reasons to despise that bitch. That kind of misreading of Shakespeare ought to be liable to criminal prosecution.
Marc
@Matt McIrvin: I think the problem with sites like Indivisible and 50501 is the lack of an actual organization. They publicize protests that are organized by other groups, they don’t actually work directly with anyone. So, in my neighborhood we have organized protests from 4 to 6 pm every Tuesday, which is great except for anyone who has a 9 to 5 job. Which reinforces itself, as the only people available to discuss when to organize the next protest are the same ones who just showed up at 4 to 6 on a work day.
A good number of people will show up for No Kings Day, at least in my older middle class neighborhood. My kid (27) and some of their friends will also be going. I do wonder how many people below the age of 35 are even aware that this is happening?
Miss Bianca
@Professor Bigfoot: Adam S recommended a book to me years ago called (iirc) “This Nonviolent Stuff’ll Get You Killed” about how the Civil Rights movement was quietly aided and abetted by Black folks who were armed and dangerous.
Marc
@George: This is California, man, there are Mexican flags all over the place. Several houses in my neighborhood have them out every day, probably more than US flags. Hell, the kids across the street have been flying a Palestinian flag for at least a year, and they aren’t the only ones.
🐾BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: That’s good news, they were using the old GPD HQ.
Matt McIrvin
@Marc: Well, if everyone just started doing The Great General Strike the problem would be solved!!
Baud
@Marc:
Better than the Russian flag that symbolically flies over the White House.
Explodo
FYI, Anne, the guy in the last Bluesky link is Craig Brittain, a notorious revenge porn guy and hard right Republican masquerading as a liberal in an attempt to rehab his reputation. Probably not someone to link to, if at all possible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is_Anybody_Down%3F
Marc
@Matt McIrvin: I hear your snark but you know the problem. During the 60s/70s both civil rights and antiwar protests were organized through networks of churches and/or student groups (and phone trees, remember those?). That resulted in volunteers putting up posters and handing out fliers and spreading word of mouth through church, school, and public radio. That was easy then, although the BLM protests did manage to break through the organizational roadblock as there was an actual loose organization.
Now there are so many disjoint social/communication networks out there that it’s almost impossible to organize much of anything except “white liberal protests” as that’s the only social network that most of us really know in common (only old farts use Facebook or Instagram).
Ksmiami06
@Baud: yep
cain
@Marc: I’m sure if Trump were to start a war with Mexico based on this stuff – they’d lose.
bluefoot
@Betty Cracker: Here too in MA. Not Boston proper, but Lowell and other communities. Someone was telling me there have been quite a few of the “wait outside schools or courts” to grab people in NYS, including red areas of upstate NY.
HopefullyNotcassandra
@Soprano2: ha ha !
The Texas legislature does not require TX employers use E-verify.
Another attempt to change that in Texas failed today.
https://www.texastribune.org/2025/06/05/texas-e-verify-requirements-immigration/
The GOP anti-immigration always has been smoke and mirrors nonsense. That nonsense has now graduated to sending immigrants to a torture prison, true. Today’s GOP has no empathy; today’s GOP only has the will to power in order to enrich themselves from our treasury.
bluefoot
@montanareddog: If it’s “made for tv” then we need to strategize around tv optics. That is, what can we do or what images can we enable/create that make good tv that get people to see reality or “our side?” How do we protest etc in ways that it can be good television/go viral etc so that at least people might stop and think, to move the needle a little bit?
rikyrah
ProPublica (@propublica) posted at 9:00 PM on Sun, Jun 08, 2025:
A nearly 90% funding cut proposed by the Trump administration would likely shut down and devastate the 37 tribal colleges and universities created to serve the students disadvantaged by the nation’s historic mistreatment of Indigenous communities.
https://t.co/js7CYOEDpm
(https://x.com/propublica/status/1931894041207067019?t=jZI6RNvncJC5GLlMPdTf1w&s=03)
Marc
@cain: If Trump were to start a war with Mexico over this stuff, my screenplay would have California seceding and forming a loose confederation with Mexico,
rikyrah
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(@RachelBitecofer) posted at 6:50 PM on Sun, Jun 08, 2025:
We’re now seeing the price of the decision by many journalists, election analysts, pollsters, and others who chose to normalize Donald Trump and MAGA to avoid looking biased.
(https://x.com/RachelBitecofer/status/1931861380459827597?t=xHIzaRw370J1A7ueOh8xBQ&s=03)
Marc
@bluefoot: You know people who actually watch TV? How quaint :)
HopefullyNotcassandra
@dmsilev: people don’t like Waymo in San Francisco or Santa Monica. Apparently the cars beep all night long and block traffic in strange and erratic ways.
Whenever Waymo comes up, I wonder does Mr. Musk realize there already are self-driving cars called Waymo?
cain
@Marc: puhleeze, that would be only SoCal. NorCal will be joining Cascadia.
Marc
@cain: Sorry, man, those white folks north of the Golden Gate are crazy, you can move on up there.
bluefoot
@Marc: lol. If not tv, then TikTok etc. Repubs flood the zone and have algorithms on their side. But we can flood the zone with our images, video, etc. One never knows what images will go viral and perhaps start changing hearts and minds.
i realize that sounds Pollyanna but I’m a brown woman who grew up in an all-white town. I know how heavy a lift it is to get people to look beyond their tribal thinking. But trying is better than ceding the field.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
According to the SF Chronicle the Cal National Guard was dumped into LA without any housing, food, water or hygiene. Apparently, this is another example of SoD Higgelworth awesome staff work.
Redshift
@Marc: Someone asked a question about that on the national Indivisible call last week, and Leah and Ezra, the founders, acknowledged that it is a real concern. They mentioned that Tesla Takedown gets younger participants (and may have mentioned another group, I can’t recall.) They also discussed younger folks being more tuned in to TikTok and influencers (as opposed to social media and the web), and they’re working on having more of a presence there, but also encouraged local groups to work toward that. (And yeah, that has the same kind of chicken-and-egg problem you’re talking about; the people who are already involved aren’t plugged into that.)
rikyrah
Dittie (@DittiePE) posted at 8:30 AM on Sun, Jun 08, 2025:
Make no mistake, what’s going on in LA is planned by Stephen Miller.
It’s in project 2025, that’s how planned it is.
There’s no foreigners violently waving their nations flags in the streets. The only violence is that caused by ICE.
They ran somebody over and then fled the scene.
There’s no need for the way that they’re acting other than to instigate.
Donald Trump wants to unleash the United States military on its own citizens. That’s been the plan since 2016.
He wants so bad to use the insurrection act, that he’s planting people to cause disruption.
One thing we can always count on with this administration is that they cannot think of anything new.
So they’re just doing the same thing that they were doing before and think that we don’t notice.
No insurrection, no national guard.
rawstory.com/trump-big-one-… ‘This is the big one’: Ex-DHS official raises alarm over Trump’s plans for LA – Raw Story
https://t.co/Bc7c5HOGFe
(https://x.com/DittiePE/status/1931705390640529604?t=h0rxaVp5ImGxm7GVJ3VGiQ&s=03)
Marc
@bluefoot: If you want to target 18 to 35 year olds, it’s not clear to me how one does that, at least from observing the kid and their friends. A few close and several looser social networks, activities primarily coordinated via Signal, group SMS, individual text messaging. Lots of podcast listeners (ads cost money), YouTube watchers (ditto), but no Facebook or TikTok (except the viral), TV, only a little Instagram.
Jackie
I’ve been offline all day. Has this been discussed?
Redshift
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: It’s all in line with DUI Hire Hegseth’s philosophy that “lethality” and “warrior culture” wins wars, not logistics.
bluefoot
@Marc: my 20-something nephew tells me for his friend group it’s mostly Discord and YouTube for info and discussion. My niece (in a different city) says it’s Instagram and TikTok. So maybe the difference is geography? A gender thing?
Marc
@bluefoot: I totally overlooked Discord, the kid and nieces use it so much we have all of our extended family chats on Discord.
Marc
@bluefoot: Who knows? I just asked Colossus :)
– Messaging Apps (WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger, Instagram DMs, etc.) – ~85-95% Usage
– Social Media Platforms (Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, Twitter/X) – ~75-85% Usage
– Text Messaging (SMS) – ~65-75% Usage
– Video Chat (Zoom, FaceTime, Google Meet, Skype) – ~50-60% Usage
– Email – ~40-50% Usage
– Phone Calls – ~25-35% Usage
– Online Forums/Communities (Reddit, Discord, etc.) – ~15-25% Usage
Maybe it hallucinated this list, but it does suggest that there are lots of private group chats where many get a lot of their info. That is hard to deal with.
cain
@HopefullyNotcassandra:
What they don’t realize is that Texas makes a great target for ICE because they know that red states are probably hiring illegal labor at higher rates than blue states.
By not doing E-verify, they are setting themselves up as easy targets for ICE raids so that ICE can fulfill their numbers.
MrPug
Wow, Homan is among the most repugnant people in the most repugnant White House. While Stephen Miller has the face I’d most like to punch, Homan has the face that has already been punched the most.
Sloane Ranger
@Timill: The Stop Trump Coalition has a public meeting organised for 12 June at the Friends Meeting House in Euston, but it’s about bringing the different strands of opposition together, not specifically about what’s happening in L.A.
I’m sure it will be a big issue during the meeting though.
satby
@cain: ICE doesn’t care about red states.
Aussie Sheila
@Omnes Omnibus:
Preach it!
YY_Sima Qian
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: Didn’t know that Marines were deployed in LA in ‘92.
MagdaInBlack
@satby: Thank you.
hotshoe
@Marc: I’m sick of the people scolding the Mexican-flag flying at anti-ICE protests.
I know it seems strategic to wave the American flag, to stress that these protests are defending the ideals of America, and to avoid providing fodder for ignorant Kansan Fox viewers to be inflamed by more of that “invasion” anti-Mexican propaganda …
The problem is, those scolds have no idea how casually and openly folks in SoCal display their affection for Latino culture. Music and dancing in the street? Yes. Flags? Yes of course. It’s positive humanity!
You don’t have to be a recent immigrant — definitely not a false-flag agitator — to want to celebrate what makes Angelenos great, which is that every culture in the world finds a home somewhere in the 4000 square miles of Greater LA.
CNN would always be able to find some “shocking” image to sell to their conservative masters. But it’s not our fault; it’s not peoples’ fault for being themselves in public. Not when the media is and always has been completely willing to make shit up without even a kernel of truth. Remember “they’re eating the pets”?
If it weren’t a picture of a Mexican flag, they would provoke outrage with something else. A tattoo parlor window. An icon of the Virgin of Guadalupe.
We are not to blame for the Reich’s propaganda and we are not obliged to twist ourselves into knots, trying to avoid giving them any excuse.
When will folks who want to scold our allies learn that the Reich will make up their own excuses for repression, and scolding our people just makes for pointless bad feelings.
George
@hotshoe:
Your comment hits the mark perfectly. There always would be something that CNN or Fox or News Nation could show a clip of that would trigger the rubes.
NightSky
@NeenerNeener:
Wow, very interesting. thanks for the link.
I had wondered about possible hacking of the vote even though many voices said our system is so robust that it could not be rigged. Yeah, right.
I once ran a research project in which we surveyed a large group of people and then personally interviewed a subset, during which we realized the company that input our survey data had goofed! It was a mistake, not a hack, but it showed how easy it would be to accept digital data as accurate when in fact it’s not. IMHO There should always be some sort of audit to ensure the accuracy of something as crucial as vote count for the US Pres.
I thought it was odd last fall that Harris conceded so quickly, and no one in power seemed eager to question or audit DJT’s ’24 “win.” Why? And why not do it NOW!!
Marc
@George: [Sorry, I think I misread earlier] There’s no way to convince people to stop waving flags that offend white fee-fees here in California. That’s why they do it.
Another Scott
In case this hasn’t been posted yet:
The Wikipedia article on the events in LA County and city has lots of details and lots of links, but being a current event is potentially subject to revisions.
Best wishes,
Scott.