God if only these fucking people would mind their own god damned business:
Southern Baptists meeting this week in Dallas will be asked to approve resolutions calling for a legal ban on pornography and a reversal of the U.S. Supreme Court’s approval of same-sex marriage.
The proposed resolutions call for laws on gender, marriage and family based on what they say is the biblically stated order of divine creation. They also call for legislators to curtail sports betting and to support policies that promote childbearing.
Just bothersome, tedious, backwards ass people who love nothing more than making other people miserable.
I have no idea what is really going on in LA right now and it’s hard to know what is going to happen next because there are no rules. The Trump admin doesn’t care about the law or laws. It could easily go from stupid to deadly in and instant and no one can control if that happens- some want it to happen.
They told so many lies about all the violent criminals they wanted to deport for so long that when it comes time to deport them, there aren’t any, so now they are sending goon squads and armored vehicles to arrest dayworkers at Home Depot. These are people’s fucking neighborhoods.
I hate these fucking people.
Only three episodes of Andor left. Every episode feels like a movie.
A Note of Thanks for All of Us
Citizen Alan
So tired of living in a world ruled by evil people.
opiejeanne
They tried to enter two elementary schools in LA county that were celebrating graduation, in order to snag the abuelas. Just plain evil.
Leto
I hate these fucking people as well.
Old Dan and Little Ann
I have just the finale of Andor to watch. I am avoiding it because I don’t want it to end. The parallels of our current state of affairs is crazy. Evil fuckers out just to destroy everything.
MagdaInBlack
@opiejeanne: Oh, those drug-trafficking criminal gramma’s, you gotta keep an eye on them
JFC
Jay
reposted from down thread,…..
https://bsky.app/profile/parickards.bsky.social/post/3lr6out2pdc2s
This is what is happening in LA.
Odie Hugh Manatee
Hate is an understatement. There isn’t a single word that can describe my feelings about these racist, nationalist pigs. They are truly the Christian version of the Taliban, intent on forcing Christianity down the throats of every single American by force of government. They want to legally hate and discriminate against people who do not conform to their ideals and they must be stopped or they will destroy this nation. As it is, democracy is dead and it’s on us to hold the murderers and their accomplices accountable.
We are in a very Bad Place. Our law systems were not set up to take into account an unstoppable criminal being elected to the top office in the nation. Trump is lapping our legal system and with The Six Supremes being in his pocket, it’s looking like were boned.
One aside is that IMO we wouldn’t be in this place if Fox News had never happened. Rupert Murdoch is a cancer on the world and he’s killing it.
TS
How the world changes – news down under that I read this morning
In my childhood our main trading partner was Britain, for defence issues/supplies we looked to the USA. Those we did not welcome were Japan & Germany. Now they are getting our defence $$.
Jackie
Gov Newsom announced per MSNBC that FFOTUS has ordered an additional 2K National Guard to L.A. on top of the original 2K.
I haven’t seen any link (yet) to confirm this, but I doubt Newsom is talking out of his ass.
mrmoshpotato
These religious nuts better start fucking then! Also (too), because we all know they want more WHITE babies!
Craig
I’m not sure whether I got this link here, or somewhere else. Andor honcho Tony Gilroy with Diego Luna interviewed by Steven Colbert at the Paley Center. SPOILERS EVERYWHERE! Great interview.
djh
Dear Lord, Please protect me from your followers. Amen.
Spanky
@Jackie: They don’t have anyplace to quarter and feed the ones already there.
Maybe they’ll start housing them in people’s homes.
raven
55 years ago my and my people were in the fucking streets. Now I can’t walk to the corner but if push come to shove. . .
eclare
@Jackie:
How the fuck does this end?
Eta> CNN reporting additional 2,000 troops.
Jay
@mrmoshpotato:
The are going to adopt the ruZZian plan aren’t they.
For those not aware, the ruZZian “plan” is to turn off the internet/tv at 8pm so there is nothing better to do.
Jack Canuck
“support policies that promote childbearing” – So by this they mean things like universal health care including prenatal care, easy access to contraception to ensure that families can choose to have children when they’re in the best position to do so, taxation and economic policies, including welfare, aimed at supporting the middle class/working class/poor (even at the expense of the rich and important) to enable them to have more children without suffering financial hardship or disaster, school lunch programs, proper funding for childcare and schools, etc. Right?
What? Why is everybody laughing?
sab
@Jay: Have sex, or take to the streets?
different-church-lady
@Spanky: I believe the constitution has something to say about that.
Sister Golden Bear
A reminder that Project 2025 explicitly plans have anything LGBTQ+ related to be declared inherently pornographic—and then outlaw all porn. Undoubtedly this will include LGBTQ+ people themselves.
Spanky
@different-church-lady: It was one of the complaints about George’s troops in the Declaration.
Jay
@Jackie:
@Spanky:
@eclare:
Word is, there are only 300 NG in LA. The other 1700 let the Federal Call go to Voicemail.
Sister Golden Bear
@Spanky: I hear James Wood’s mansion has plenty of space to quarter the troops.
Jackie
@Spanky:
Are there enough MAGAts in L.A.? //
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@Sister Golden Bear:
Yeah but then there’s that Forgotten Amendment to Ye Olde Constitution that should stop that.
Unless like other Amendments the Nazis don’t like, they simply ignore it.
1,000 flouncing lurkers (was fidelioscabinet)
They haven’t managed to arrange housing, sanitary facilities, or garbage dumpsters for the first 2000 National Guards assigned to this little foray, let alone the Marines or the second 2000.
ICE ran out of water the first day, and according to someone on Bluesky, got kicked out of a hotel they were staying at in Pasadena because the management decided the protesters outside were a bad look.
I would have thought Pete Hegseth could at least organize a pissing party in a brewery but I am beginning to question that. Also, the rumor is they can’t find anyone willing to be his chief of staff.
Jacel
@Spanky: That will be another grievance against the King in The Declaration of Independence that Trump has checked off as a accomplishment.
Jay
@1,000 flouncing lurkers (was fidelioscabinet):
https://www.emptywheel.net/2025/06/09/how-can-pete-hegseth-invade-california-without-a-babysitter/
Elect a KKKlown, get a KKKlown show.
Matt McIrvin
@comrade scotts agenda of rage: If I recall correctly, the ONLY high-profile Third Amendment case was about housing National Guard troops in the quarters of striking prison guards. Maybe we’ll have another…
Jackie
This ABC News link has current updates and coverage.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/la-immigration-protests-live-updates-trump-deploys-2000/?id=122621279&entryId=122677559&cid=social_twitter_abcn
Matt
100% guaranteed that a statistically-significant fraction of the mouth-breathing redneck dumbfucks who show up to this meeting of their favorite hate group are doing it with kiddie porn on their phones.
Splitting Image
@Jay:
Considering how important the internet and TV are to stoking Republican outrage, turning them off would end really, really badly for Trump’s gang.
That said, they might be stupid enough to do it.
Jackie
@1,000 flouncing lurkers (was fidelioscabinet):
Maybe the NG and Marines will revolt AGAINST FFOTUS and refuse orders!
Melancholy Jaques
@Jack Canuck:
I think it means concubines for the incels.
Matt McIrvin
The bit about restricting sports betting is hilarious–I could believe they’d get many of their other wishes, but good luck with THAT one…
eclare
@Matt McIrvin:
I had that thought about porn.
JoyceH
For some reason Tom Homan keeps showing up in olive-drab fatigues and ball cap – Josh Marshall says he’s “gone full Fidel”.
Old Man Shadow
Americans do not like fucking military cosplaying fools wearing masks and hiding their identities so they can disappear their neighbors, their coworkers, their employees, and their family.
We have a long history in Los Angeles of white assholes beating and hurting Latinos. We just commemorated the anniversary of the zoot suit riot not that long ago.
People are angry and rowdy.
Los Angeles is not a post-apocalyptic city. It is not burning. It’s not even a fucking riot. It’s angry people venting their anger.
But we have President “RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH!” so he’s gotta try and turn the Marines into the goon squad and he’s probably love a fucking bloodbath. I hope the professionalism of our armed forces doesn’t give it to him.
Spanky
@JoyceH:
Not until he’s safely dead will he have “gone full Fidel”.
Jackie
@JoyceH: Yup, it’s Homan’s uniform as FFOTUS’s Border Czar.
Gloria DryGarden
@Leto: I wish this quote were in the side bar below one of the photos, for daily inspiration. I’d like to read this every day.
yay Jimmy Carter
WTFGhost
I saw someone say that critics of the Southern Baptists said that having a policy, calling for law based upon biblical truth, was “theocratic” and there’s really something *FUCKED UP* with the world, that people don’t get “that is, actually, precisely what theocratic means. It means wanting to rule based upon your religion and its view of God, aka, ‘theology’. Notice how ‘theo’ is the same root in both words? Yeah, there’s a reason for that – your English teacher wasn’t lying about *that* at least.”
It’s crazy. We can’t say “theocratic desires” are “theocratic.” We can’t say Stephen Miller runs on high-octane hate. We can’t say that a President who ignores the Constitution is a constant Constitutional Crisis, even though, REMEMBER, THE PRESIDENT IS DUTY BOUND TO SEE THE LAWS ARE FAITHFULLY EXECUTED, no, we just have to say that he’s constantly “provoking” or “risking” or furthering” possible crisis, as if he weren’t constantly engaging in nonconsenting anal fornication with the very concepts of Constitutionality, democracy, and democratic republics, plus justice, the truth, and a whole lot more I can’t be bothered to list at the moment.
I know, I know, “tell us how you really feel.”
Matt McIrvin
@eclare: You have to read “porn” as code for “any information or art that offends our sex/gender bigotry”. Getting rid of actual porn is a sidelight and not strictly essential.
Jackie
https://www.vox.com/scotus/416163/trump-supreme-court-deport-immigration-convention-torture
Matt McIrvin
@Old Man Shadow:
Well, a majority of Americans probably do like it, just as long as it’s in somebody else’s neighborhood.
Ealbert
When I saw the map of Los Angeles with the small circle showing where the protest had been, I wondered if it would work to have small to medium size protests popping up like dance flash mobs. You could have them starting every 15 minutes in widely separated areas and run for an hour or so, making the police/military run all over the city trying to catch up with the demonstrators.
Sister Golden Bear
@comrade scotts agenda of rage: Laws only apply to Demonrats, doncha know. /s
Gloria DryGarden
@Jay: so much else one can do. Dance in the streets, have a potluck, an ice cream social. Host sidewalk civics classes. Play horseshoes, or cards, or bean bag toss. Do tai chi in the park, or go for a run. Have a singalong…give each other hand massages. Learn to play bridge. Discuss medicinal herbs and edibles growing in the alleys. Group meditation and blessing. Set some bread dough to rise overnight.
(For some people, I hear sex only takes them 10 minutes-so sad- but this leaves plenty of time for community building, taking to the streets 100 ways.)
I am sickened that pornography and gay marriage can be lumped together as similar things. One is about human connection, and the other is so often about exploitation, and activities done in isolation.
I heard once that hitler sent pornography ahead in areas he was planning to invade, because it promoted more isolation. I don’t know how to fact check it, but it makes sense.
Gloria DryGarden
@Ealbert: brilliant! Flash mob protests.
Sister Golden Bear
@Ealbert: That’s actually been talked about as a tactic. The goons can handle a 10,000 person protest, they can’t handle ten simultaneous 1,000 person protests spread out across LA.
Driving from one part of LA to another in a few minutes is strictly a Hollywood fantasy.
Darkrose
@Spanky: We clearly don’t care about the Constitution. Third Amendment, Shmird Amendment!
BlueGuitarist
@WTFGhost:
Leviticus 19:33-34:
“33 And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.
34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.”
If they believed, they’d be condemning anti-immigrant policies instead of trying to cover up Mike Johnson’s porn.
Most of these phonies don’t have a theology, all they want out of religion, or philosophy, as John Kenneth Galbraith said, is “a superior moral justification for selfishness.”
jimmiraybob
@Matt McIrvin:
“You have to read “porn” as code for ….”
They still haven’t forgiven America for Elvis and his wildly gyrating hips. That and that whole ending chattel slavery and Jim crow thing.
Sister Golden Bear
Two updates via the SF Chronicle:
‘Wildly underprepared’: National Guard troops seen sleeping on floors in exclusive photos
And here we go….
Exclusive: DHS secretary seeks military arrests in Los Angeles in leaked letter
Jim Appleton
I may have misheard, that all the Sturm und drang in LA has netted just over 100 detainees — whose immigration and criminal status is unknown.
These do not appear to be targeted raids on criminals.
They’re theater targeted on about 100 random blue state migrants. In areas with majority Republican representation with similar levels of undocumented, crickets.
Can there be any doubt that either incomptence or willful disregard for competence are what those in charge are doing?
God help the pawns who follow faulted orders to round up 100 photo props on a national stage which takes note.
jimmiraybob
@Sister Golden Bear: “Driving from one part of LA to another in a few minutes is strictly a Hollywood fantasy.”
I saw a clip of the felon and sexual predator going on about CA’s high-speed rail project and saying that anybody could just fly for $2. I’m like hell yeah, where’s the app for that?
Harrison Wesley
I guess I’m supposed to get the message not to show up next Saturday. Sorry; I’ll be there.
Another Scott
Meanwhile, …
Chap claims Atari 2600 ‘absolutely wrecked’ ChatGPT at chess.
I don’t want this “AI” stuff running the world just yet, myself.
Best wishes,
Scott.
BellyCat
Fixed for misreading (and accuracy).
WTFGhost
@BlueGuitarist: Agreed, that most of it isn’t really “theology.” It’s just, words mean things, and we really need to use the right words when the right meaning is screaming to be spoken. And wanting your religion to dictate law is not just “your critics are saying you’re theocratic,” it’s actually being theocratic.
People talked about Biden’s “draconian vaccine mandate” which required you to be tested for Covid-19 weekly, so points of infection could be traced (or, get the vaccine, and skip the weekly testing), and journos *quoted* them, as if “draconian” was just a matter of opinion.
And they won’t talk about plain, objective, theocracy.
Ohio Mom
@Ealbert: That is a great idea.
Jackie
Harrison Wesley
@Jackie: So Our Constitution-honoring Military is going to roll over for King Swino and Captain Morgan.
Gloria DryGarden
@Jim Appleton: well said.
it’s theater.
and all those NG and ice folks can say their job is to work in (political) theater
BlueGuitarist
Sly Stone has joined the eternal band that lives in our memories.
his songs and June 14 protests:
Sly urged us to Stand!
Stand, in the end, you’ll still be you
One that’s done all the things you set out to do
Stand, there’s a cross for you to bear
Things to go through if you’re goin’ anywhere
Stand for the things you know are right….
And to “Organize”
https://youtu.be/MLDgW_kQW5c?si=L3t_8jFokwGuu_Mv
And of course Dance to the Music!
and a lot more!
Melancholy Jaques
@Jackie:
I thought the Bush/Cheney Junta rendered the convention against torture a nullity.
Jackie
@Harrison Wesley: Sickening, isn’t it. My dad passed away in Feb 2018 at the age of 99.5 years. He was sickened by Trump’s disregard for the law then. I’m so grateful he’s not alive today. I kinda wish I wasn’t here witnessing what’s happening to America. I’m heartbroken for what’s in store for my children and my grandchildren.
RevRick
@BlueGuitarist: It isn’t theology at all, but rather it’s ethnic/racial nationalism dressed up in religious robes. It all dates back to the first decades of the 19th century when a truce was established between hill country Baptists and low country slave owners that handed power to police people’s personal behavior to the churches in exchange for them conceding all political power to the slave owners.
Self-professed “Bible-believing “ Christians cherry pick texts to validate their desire to dominate, control and oppress.
Jackie
@Melancholy Jaques: link?
Another Scott
Meanwhile, …
( The Beaverton is kinda The Onion of Canada )
I’m still not ready for “AI” to rule the world just yet.
Best wishes,
Scott.
eclare
@Another Scott:
Another attorney made the news recently for using AI to research case law for a brief. It fabricated entire cases. In this case the judge sanctioned the attorney, at least.
And I don’t know if you’ve heard, but according to AI, it’s healthy to eat a small pebble per day.
https://theonion.com/geologists-recommend-eating-at-least-one-small-rock-per-1846655112/
AI used The Onion as fact.
Harrison Wesley
@Jackie: I didn’t think I would reach the point I did this weekend, when I told LOML that I was glad I was an Old and had no kids.
Jay
@Gloria DryGarden:
Can’t they just get cast roles in the touring performances of Hamilton?
HopefullyNotcassandra
@Jackie: why? Perhaps because our ugly president fell down climbing the steps on Air Force one today
HopefullyNotcassandra
@Spanky: I read there were no preparations for housing the unnecessary first round.
is there anyone in this country who does not already know the Los Angeles police department can handle things without escalating things ?
HopefullyNotcassandra
@eclare: there will be more dancing by peaceful protestors while soldiers watch? This is California we are discussing, Los Angeles specifically
The blue jacarandas are in bloom. The jasmine is prolific. The weather is nearly perfection. The parrots will never quit squawking and the traffic will test human minds. Nothing is going to happen in the City of Angels.
nothing will happen except this ugly president’s bloviating distracting from beautiful spring days.
Harrison Wesley
@HopefullyNotcassandra: The trouble is, he’s working to provoke violence. He’s counting on it.
jimmiraybob
@RevRick:
I think that you’ve mentioned being UCC. I was/am associated with a UCC church in Maplewood, MO (just outside of STL) that provided sanctuary to a man for three years during Trump 1.0.
I’ll just say that he was reporting regularly to ICE and is one of the finest people I’ve ever met. And his family …. don’t get me started …. the best …. their youngest daughter is my Girl Scout cookie supplier.
Anyway, I was scrolling through the Progressive Christianity .org FB site when I came across a quote about hospitality to strangers (Hebrews 13:2). In the comments someone pointed out that “hospitality” is the English translation of the Greek “philoxenia,” or love of/for strangers. Go figure.
If only there was a way to get the word out to the Trump/MAGA-Christian mob. You know, the one’s so concerned with a Biblical worldview. (I’m not sure how they missed this.)
I think that I will put my new word on this Saturday’s “No Kings Day” protest sign:
“Philoxenia! (see Hebrews 13:2)”
We desperately need more Christians rooted in the words of the Christ and taking it to the streets. For the record, I am a secular humanist for humility, empathy and compassion.
Melancholy Jaques
@Jackie:
No link for sarcastic remarks.
Just making the observation that Bush/Cheney authorized torture and nobody was punished for it and in fact he was re-elected because most Americans more or less supported torture since they had plenty of important people telling them it was necessary and right and just, but mostly it was because after 9/11 they wanted Muslims to suffer. People who objected to the torture were called weak and objectively pro terrorist.
Harrison Wesley
@jimmiraybob: You may be conflating ‘Christian nationalism’, which is a political ideology, with ‘Christianity’, which is a religion. This is a problem that affects several other religions as well.
cain
@Odie Hugh Manatee:
They hate the other Christian denominations.
If given power they will go after Catholics and Mormons.
cain
@mrmoshpotato:
Lol good luck. Nobody can afford any of it. Or man supporting a family. All the things they want.
Not going to happen without socialism.
cain
@Jackie:
Likely won’t pay for them.
cain
@WTFGhost:
That’s only for a Republican president.
Gloria DryGarden
@RevRick: it would be good to de-establish it.
Gloria DryGarden
@Jay: sure. But Hamilton requires skill. Rhythm sense, timing, musicality, charismatic presence.
so, I’ll call it amateur theater, or unskilled theater. But president whozit is def going for ratings, tv show level gripping goddamn suspense, as well as his excuse to do whatever.
he really belongs in jail, and the silly weirdos working for him, too.
Ruckus
Just bothersome, tedious, backwards ass people who love nothing more than making other people miserable.
Look at it from their point of view. The entire concept of a backasswards individual is that their lives are miserable, but they fail to realize that it’s because of who they are – humans who are always miserable and believe that is normal life and because they do not, can not be anything positive they believe that everyone else needs to be miserable as well, so they do everything possible to make them and everyone else miserable. Never let them succeed. Let them be miserable. You don’t have to be.
Marc
As I think you’re trying to inform us, don’t believe the hype. I’ve worked in Silicon Valley for people like Sam Altman since 1982, a good half of them are basically con men if not outright embezzling the funds.
Again, I mention “AI” periodically, not because of what OpenAI, Facebook, Google, etc., are trying to build and sell, which are basically tools for the corporate control freak. Their definition of Artificial General Intelligence (or even the Singularity) is little more than the point at which their revenues exceed the cost of training their models.
So, why do I care? This technology actually works for many applications, but mostly at a much smaller scale. The main problem from the VC perspective is that no one will make trillions from selling solutions to mundane problems.
Spanky
A full moon and high clouds evenly light the neighborhood, and give the local mockingbird an excuse to go off at 1:00 in the morning, so here I am.
I don’t think it was him that woke me though. It happens more frequently these past few months.
Gretchen
@Jack Canuck: I listened to a podcast today about childbirth in medieval times. They said that abortion was common and not really frowned upon in the early months because the alternative was so often infanticide, very common among women who couldn’t feed another child.
Gretchen
People keep asking why these protests aren’t nonviolent like the Civil Rights protests. For one thing, Klan members couldn’t go undercover with black voting rights people and start violence without being noticed and clocked as someone who’s not really with the MLK group. Now the protesters and opponents look similar, so someone who wants to undermine the protest can join in, cause trouble, and pretend to be just another protester rather than a saboteur.
LAC
In the red states, are there any people out there angry enough to take to the streets? I am also wondering if the response would be the same as LA?
eclare
@LAC:
There was a protest here in Memphis last Sunday. It was hard to tell from the news, maybe 50-100 people showed up. Note: Memphis is very blue.
The thing that keeps me from going is the protests are all on the side of the road next to very busy intersections with cars going by at 50 mph. Why can’t we protest in a park?
Jay
@eclare:
Because protests need to be visible.
Marc
I just happened to listen to Keith Olbermann today for the first time in years, and he had worked himself into quite the rant about something Newsom suggested he might do to implement a tax boycott against the federal government. I couldn’t make sense of it at first, but the point apparently is that the California State Employee payroll is ~$40B/year. Of that 20 to 30% will be withheld for various federal taxes, or about $700M to $1B per month that gets transferred directly to the Treasury. So, what happens if the state simply fails to transfer this withholding tax and the other blue states join in?
Jay
US doctors are running north,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aiTMQhohI4
eclare
@Jay:
I get that but there is a huge park about two miles away that would be perfect.
eclare
@Jay:
Good friend of mine left last month. Not a dr, but she’s gone. She and her husband bought a place on an island in Nova Scotia. Ocean views.
Jay
@eclare:
Part of it is the “Freedom Riders” thing.
“You need to put your body on the line”.
Marc
The Guardian: Newsom is warned of ‘criminal tax evasion’ if he withholds federal taxes
eclare
@Jay:
Well, due to some trauma years ago, this body is terrified of cars.
Chetan Murthy
@Marc: Someday Newsom and other Dem pols will finally realize that when the Feds are breaking the law, any resistance by states will be per se illegal (b/c of Supremacy). And they -might- decide to band together. If all the Blue States -simultaneously- refused to submit their withholding, it’d be a big problem for th Feds. Sure, they could try to arrest all the governors, but that’d risk an -actual- insurrection.
Marc
Perhaps that’s why he mused about it out loud, to test the reaction of the CA public and other states. The one state that matters is NY, I’m not sure they’ll cooperate. I’m also not sure how much the loss of, say, $5B/month in tax receipts would do beyond forcing up interest rates and inflation.
JoyceH
@Jay: I don’t agree that protests HAVE to be visible. In this instance in particular I think the best and most effective protest would be a local or more widespread general strike. If everybody just stayed home, Trump’s Troops would look ridiculous patrolling empty streets. And a strike would be more effective than street protests whether peaceful or violent in getting Trump to back the eff off. We know he WANTS violence, so he can say his opponents are violent criminals. But with a general strike, in under a week his billionaire buddies will be calling him and demanding a change of strategy. It would cost them money and make them uncomfortable, something that some street clashes in LA would not achieve. But when the factories and construction sites go silent and empty, when the restaurants are closed because the staff didn’t show up, when Mom’s deluxe nursing home develops an overpowering odor of urine and vomit, their chauffeur has vanished and the stock market is tanking, they’ll start to Think. The golf course fairways are looking unkempt and the cart died at the tenth hole because nobody charged it so they have to hoof it to the clubhouse where the bar is closed… yeah, they’ll be thinking hard.
Gloria DryGarden
@JoyceH: I’m reading your scenario. It may be we have to go there.
JoyceH
It’s a shame our wealth hoarders are so historically illiterate or they might recall that the last time a country based its tax system on the tax burden falling entirely on the middle and working classes while the wealthy and powerful had no taxes to pay at all, that inequity was eventually rectified via the guillotine.
prostratedragon
Projected federal revenue, fiscal 2025 includes 2.6T income tax and 2.2T payroll taxes. Might not be enough bang to be worth it. There’d have to be many private sector employers going along, which just isn’t going to happen soon.
MagdaInBlack
@JoyceH: Considering how many folks are living paycheck to paycheck and have no emergency fund, I don’t see that happening any time soon.
They keep us poor and struggling for many reasons. This is one of those reasons.
lowtechcyclist
@Spanky:
When the gun nuts would talk about being Second Amendment absolutists, I’d always joke about being a Third Amendment absolutist. Which was especially fun because most people have no idea what the Third Amendment says, because it’s fortunately been irrelevant for >200 years.
I’d hate to see my joke stop being a joke.
lowtechcyclist
@Gloria DryGarden:
“Join the peasants in their revels. Go to church. Write your memoirs.” – Bogart, Beat the Devil
artem1s
@Marc:
Income taxes are collected at the state level: income, unemployment, workers comp, SS and medicare. For some states there is more collected than is needed for monthly payouts at that state’s level. If the DOGE cuts to federal employees go forward, eventually it would have the same effect as what Newsom is suggesting anyway. CA has the 8th largest economy in the world. Once those layoff workers start collecting unemployment and the other cuts take hold, unemployment will hit double digits. And that revenue is going to become a net negative. I think what he’s suggesting is smart and responsible. He’s putting together a rainy day fund for the inevitable national and global depression, stock market crash, and devaluation of the US dollar.
Mart
Southern Baptists will never get my Sears Catalogue from my cold sticky hands.
artem1s
The GQP/fascist internecine squabble between various factions who claim to be their ‘moral majority’ was always going to erupt once they legislatively ‘killed’ their big single issues that were holding their voting coalition together. The thing about fascism is you can only aim so many of your supporters at marginalized populations before the groups start eating one another. We haven’t even gotten to the point where the Protestants and Catholics start fighting over who Supplyside Jeebus loves the most.
brantl
@Odie Hugh Manatee: you shouldn’t leave Roger ales out either.
brantl
@Ealbert: that’s a great, great idea: drag their asses all around the The Los Angeles area, drag them everywhere.
brantl
@Sister Golden Bear: you think I paid the flash mob so that is one is being taken down another one is going up and you have like 10 sets of people and five of them are doing their 25 or 30 minutes while the other side is setting up and then, as they’re taking down those other people take off, you just keep hammering them.
brantl
@Marc: Put it in escrow.
LuigiDaMan
Andor is the best. I do wish that Tony Gilroy had kept to the original plan of releasing ten episodes per year for four years (40) instead of the abridged version of 3 episodes for each of the last 4 years (12 total). But some Gilroy is better than no Gilroy.
KenK
@mrmoshpotato: white, SOUTHERN BAPTIST baby’s…
Ol' Fezziwig
I can’t believe my neighbor is torching Waymos! Good people on both sides.