Is all of this nonsense in LA and everywhere else just a distraction from that shitty bill?
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Is all of this nonsense in LA and everywhere else just a distraction from that shitty bill?
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Baud
Senate Dems are doing what they can to stop it or mitigate the worst parts. That’s about it.
Butch
From the bill, from tariffs, from all the other nonsense caused by Trump and his Nazgul.
Josie
Pretty sure the answer is yes.
ETA: Although it is also a wonderful excuse to pull in the military.
Betty Cracker
I don’t think it’s a distraction. All the bad shit is happening at once.
Baud
@Betty Cracker: I agree.
Matt McIrvin
I believe the bill includes a massive expansion of ICE funding for this kind of operation, so it’s all connected.
RevRick
@Betty Cracker: I agree, also. As Oliver Willis argues, we are fighting a multi-front war against MAGA, and we need to push back — hard— on all fronts. We distract ourselves when we claim that Trump outrage X is really a distraction from Trump outrage Y.
Jackie
I had to double check the timestamp on this post. It is indeed A.M.!
@Betty Cracker:
I think it’s planned. FFOTUS loves chaos. It’s been chaotic since Jan 20, with no signs of it stopping.
Ohio Mom
The espresso machine died this morning so Ohio Dad valiantly went off to Target caffeine-less to buy a new a new one.
He came back announcing we have been hit by Trumps tariffs. The last few espresso machines (at the rate we use them, they have a lifespan of only about two years) were about $100 each, or just slightly above that. They are made in China for supposedly an Italian brand.
The new one was $150. A milestone of sorts, I guess, that’s at least $30 we lost to tariffs.
I was just thinking yesterday how much like a Good German I feel. I know terrible things are happening, my country is morphing into something beyond belief, yet my everyday life just keeps rolling along, same as always. The contrast between my suburban life and the news is discombobulating.
Baud
WereBear
This
was
INEVITABLE.
Because
they
are
IDIOTS.
There is no thinking and no plan. Only destruction. They would smash a plate glass window even if it was covered in large red letters saying DANGER DEADLY NERVE GAS which can be seen ominously swirling, just like in the film The Rock.
They would break it. To demonstrate the rules don’t apply to them. And blame us because reading is too much to expect of them.
Baud
@Ohio Mom:
Pretty sure that’s not what a Good German is.
NotMax
O’Donnell gets it.
terraformer
I was chastised pretty heavily for posting on Bsky that activating the NG in LA was helping to distract from the Big Fcking Shitty Bill. I think it’s more what Betty wrote above: it’s all bad, and per MAGA’s preferred approach of “flooding the zone” – and horrors they’re doing are distracting *from each other*.
Soprano2
I don’t think it’s a distraction, just because I don’t think the FFOTUS administration had anything to do with the timing of a protest. FFOTUS has been itching to call out the military and the National Guard against U.S. citizens since his first term, so the fact that he did this isn’t at all surprising.
BritinChicago
It is a distraction.
Is it a planned distraction? I go back and forth on whether the ‘Administration’ has its evil act together enough for something like that.
Is it just a distraction? No. It also raises extremely important questions of its own about the attempt to put us into a permanent state of emergency in order to justify all sorts of terrible things, which would completely undermine democracy and the rule of law.
Eunicecycle
@Soprano2: and his first Sec of Defense was an actual Sec of Defense and wouldn’t let him do it. He didn’t make the same mistake again!
Splitting Image
@Betty Cracker:
I agree. This is a multi-front war, as said above.
The tax cut giveaways, the cuts to Medicare, the rollback of civil rights, the militarization of the police, the gutting of science research. None of these are distractions from any of the others. They are all part of the same goal.
MobiusKlein
Do note that the only tax increase in the new budget is a 3.5% tax on remittances. Isn’t that double taxation?
lowtechcyclist
@RevRick:
There’s probably some low-level stuff we can safely ignore. I’ll take a pass on the Rose Garden; he’s tearing up much more consequential things than that.
But when Horrible Thing B is just as bad as Horrible Thing A, whether or not B is a distraction from A is a pretty silly question.
Somebody needs to keep a Top 10 or Top 20 list of the worst things Trump has done/is doing so far. With lots of room for dishonorable mentions.
BritinChicago
@NotMax: Yes. I find that to be pretty consistently the case. His is almost the only news or commentary on TV that I watch the whole of regularly. (But since I listen to the audio version the next day. the whole show available on You-Tube with minimal ads, I guess I’m not really watching it.)
UncleEbeneezer
@RevRick: Willis? The guy who gets distracted by every attempt to shift focus to how Dems suck? Assholes like him, with his constant BothSides But Dems Are Worse bullshit helped get us here. Fuck that guy forever.
RaflW
@Betty Cracker: Definitely flooding the zone.
My tiny little act yesterday was to email Ron Johnson (again!) saying that the Big Deficitbusting Bill is bad and he should vote no.
I’ve seen him listed as a waverer. His reasons and mine are diametrically opposed, but if he’s a possible no, he needs to hear from people.
I did throw in that cutting Medicare and Medicaid would direct hurt people I care about in my neighborhood so he should oppose that too.
NotMax
I know y’all appreciate Josh Johnson.
Elon Dumped Trump… With A Tweet.
Betty Cracker
Here’s an excerpt of a speech Trump gave to U.S. soldiers yesterday, which revealed his delusional views about what’s going on in Los Angeles: [Roll Call]
Basically, Trump is declaring war on anyone who opposes him and informing U.S. troops that it is their heroic duty to destroy his enemies. I heard the speech got an enthusiastic response.
Redshift
@Betty Cracker: I agree. Everything is a distraction in the sense that they’re trying to do many horrible things at once so we (and the media) can’t all focus on just one, but not because they’re all “distractions” from the One Thing they’re “really” trying to do.
Also, when I see someone making the “distraction” argument, a lot of times it’s “you’re wrong for focusing on this and not what I think is really important!” (Not you, JRC.)
Jeffg166
Smoke and mirrors.
LeftCoastYankee
If you mean breaking shit and running away to break the next thing like rabid squirrels on cocaine, then yes this is definitely a distraction from yesterday’s distraction.
NotMax
@Jeffg166
More like smoke and morons.
;)
zhena gogolia
@RevRick: Yes, I’m really tired of the “distraction” thing. It’s all bad, and we have to try to pay attention to all of it. But I’m reaching my limit.
Redshift
@RaflW:
That’s good! From what I’ve been told, stories about how it will directly affect you and people you know are more effective than just telling them about how you oppose their horrible actions because you think they’re horrible, no matter how heartfelt.
eclare
@Ohio Mom:
That sucks. I have all of my fingers and toes crossed that none of my appliances, e.g. washing machine, fridge, break down in the next few years.
Also Ohio Dad is a good man.
UncleEbeneezer
@Redshift: Exactly. The point of this bullshit is multi-faceted: 1.) stifle/criminalize free speech/protest, 2.) whip up racist xenophobia, 3.) punish CA, 4.) justify martial law but also 5.) distract from the big stupid bill (and everything else). It’s all of the above. But I hate the “distraction” framing as well for all the reasons you noted.
Jackie
Joe Walsh, former Tea Party republican, former independent, and now a registered Democrat says this on his Substack:
More and more people, including me, truly believe FFOTUS is going to do everything and anything he can to disrupt and prevent the 2026 elections. He said so himself, speaking to evangelicals at one of his rallies last year: “Vote for me one last time, and you’ll never have to vote again.”
I took him at his word. I also believed him when he promised retribution and revenge.
rikyrah
Good Morning Everyone 😊 😊 😊
Baud
@rikyrah:
Good morning.
Redshift
@zhena gogolia: We don’t have to pay attention to all if it. Part of the strategy is to exhaust and paralyzed us by overwhelming us. It’s perfectly okay to focus on one thing or a few things you have the energy to respond to, and trust that other people will be focusing on the others.
(I’m sure you know that, but a reminder never hurts.)
rikyrah
@Jackie:
Definitely planned
Matt McIrvin
@RevRick: Distraction is a real thing, but “distraction” usually means “my pet issue is more important than your pet issue”.
japa21
Yes and no. Yes, this distracts from that. And is somewhat of a planned distraction.
No, because everything is intended to be a distraction. They know Americans have short attention spans, so they just keep pouring it on.
Trump is following his approach to everything. Overwhelm to the point people get tired of going against him and settle for 10 cents on the dollar, or in this case, something that normally would be unacceptable, but compared to the other atrocities is less bad.
NotMax
@Jackie
So inept can’t even mimic the Reichstag fire right.
//
lamh47
Good morning BJ.
Sorry to be off topic so early, but my mom is going in today for routine knee replacement surgery…asking for healing thoughts and prayers, or whatever you believe in for a safe surgery and recovery. As you can imagine it’s stressful being all the way here on the West coast while she’s in NOLA🙏🏾🙏🏾
Geminid
@Betty Cracker: I don’t think these immigration raids were neccesarily intended go be a distraction. They have been in effect though, and Trump’s team understands this.
I posted this analysis yesterday:
Some people rejected this summarily because of the source,* and some for the content, but I personally thought it contained some relative truth. But regardless, Trump’s team has for a long time shown they believe these issues are weak spots; I expect them to lean into them and not just for distraction purposes.
* Political scientist Ruy Texeira, a fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. Texeira wrote this in an article for the “Patriotic Liberal” Substack.
Baud
@lamh47:
🙏🙏🙏
Ohio Mom
@Baud: While I’m all set for Saturday’s protest, with my hand made No Kings tee shirt and my two sided sign (“Kill the Bill Not Disabled People” on one side, “Don’t Trump on Me” on the other), if you followed me around this week, my behavior is indistinguishable from that of a Good German.
Am I hiding an undocumented immigrant, forging papers, or whatever else the resistance did? Nope.
WereBear
@rikyrah: I appreciate your optimism. Do have one!
Baud
Wiki
@Ohio Mom:
You’re not remaining silent and not claiming ignorancw of Trump’s actions.
cmorenc
@Ohio Mom:
Exactly. Wife and I, and also our now-adult children are so far prosperously floating above and apart from any direct impact (so far) from the chaotic cruelty and stupidity being inflicted by Trump and his band of toxic, evil clowns – with exception of the passage during March and April when we were nervously watching our once-secure retirement savings melting down in the face of tariff chaos. Our leafy suburban neighborhood is safe, and in our part of north Raleigh, and neither any positive effects (such as a MAGA-cult mind might allege) nor any substantially palpable negative effects personally affected anyone around us – yet, beyond a few price increases here and there. And yet, we know all is not well outside our local bubble. And this is why IMO the public resistance to Trump isn’t more visibly and tangibly provoked into protest than it is at this point.
Matt McIrvin
@Soprano2: He did though, since the protest wasn’t a planned thing, it was the response to an ICE raid. ICE controlled the timing.
RevRick
@UncleEbeneezer: Even a stopped clock is right twice. I follow him mainly because I want to hear opinions I might find annoying and also because of his mini dachshund.
What the whole x is a distraction from y argument really stems from is the feeling of exhaustion. We can’t fight every battle, but we can fight our own most important battle in the confidence that others will fight theirs. The guys fighting in the jungles of Guadalcanal from August ‘42 to February’43 were counting on Russians fighting along their front and the Brits and GIs fighting in North Africa.
JML
@Betty Cracker: every accusation is a confession with these people. Of course this “must” be funded by “someone”…because that’s exactly what these rich scum would do. they can’t conceive of people protesting on principle, because they have none.
WereBear
@RevRick: There is only ONE battle: they are breaking the law.
All I have to do is focus on that… and wonder when LEGAL arrests will begin.
H.E.Wolf
@lamh47: Will be keeping your mom, and you, in my thoughts. May her surgery be successful and the outcome be a good one!
Matt McIrvin
@Baud: I’m yawping online, complaining to elected reps, donating to causes and going to protests, but I’m not doing anything that will obviously get me shot or arrested, so it all feels kind of wimpy. At some point, maybe we *can’t* “stay safe”. But at the same time, I suppose martyrdom is of limited utility.
eclare
@lamh47:
I’m sure that is stressful. Good thoughts sent to your family and the drs and nurses.
Ohio Mom
@lamh47: Sending good energy Mom’s way. Even if it’s a routine surgery, it’s still a nail biter when it’s one of your people. Be sure to let us know when she comes to and it’s clear all went well.
zhena gogolia
@lamh47: I’ll be thinking of you all. I have this in my future!
Baud
@Matt McIrvin:
Self flagellation is dumb. Do more or don’t, but it’s a waste of everyone’s time to make everything about oue own feelings of unworthiness. You’re on the side of good in real time. The Good Germans were not.
satby
@NotMax: damn, just sent that to Anne Laurie!
JML
@lamh47: hope everything goes easy on the surgery. any surgery is nerve-wracking, but they’re getting really good at this one. I know a number of people who have had it done now, and their quality of life improved rapidly and significantly.
Ohio Mom
@Baud: I get your point. Maybe I should think of myself as a Limousine Liberal instead.
satby
@Betty Cracker: it got an enthusiastic response because troops who didn’t want to attend were excused; they didn’t want the optics of a stone faced bunch in uniform maintaining silence at all his rahrah lines. Reported in the WSJ I think, but no link, read it yesterday.
Doug R
@Soprano2: The LA raids were particularly public AND egregious AND provocative in heavily latino Los Angeles. This was deliberately done NOW.
piratedan
Hope John Roberts is pleased with what he wrought….
Citizens United enabled all of this shit, the buying of political offices, all you got to do is gloss over with a wafer thin patina of where the money is coming from, which is how Putin did what he did.
WereBear
Yes, thank you! And this is very useful to remember.
Spoiler for a 50+ year old TV show:
One of my favorite detective shows, Columbo, was launched with the pilot episode, starring Lee Grant. A favorite because a) I adore her and her work, and b) she plays a sociopath, who has no empathy.
This is key to catching her, in a trap that a normal, functioning, adult would never fall for. While she is smart and accomplished, she doesn’t understand empathy except to fake it. Faced with a unique situation, she has no fall-back.
All WE can do is peacefully protest. But there are other people who are supposed to arrest lawbreakers, and that’s a confrontation coming up as hurdles get cleared in appeal courts.
I follow Glenn Kirschner, on Youtube, because, to quote Mr WereBear:
“The founding fathers wanted our courts to be the new cathedrals. Our laws the ones to follow. Our freedoms in the Constitution. Church and state are separate things for each other’s protection.”
Enhanced Voting Techniques
That’s how this feels to me too.
RevRick
@WereBear: I would argue that the Trump administration is making War on the 20th Century, but I don’t want to get into a hair-splitting debate.
You clearly want to focus on the legal aspects of this war. Good! Invest yourself in that.
I’m invested in the issue of climate change, because that’s where my UCC church is invested. You might find my investment in that a distraction, but that’s where I will put my most energy.
What we need to do is pick an issue we care about most and fight that battle.
NotMax
@Ohio Mom
A mini?
:)
Raoul Paste
@Ohio Mom: A limousine liberal would not get out of their limousine on June 14. Give yourself credit, you deserve it.
NotMax
Bad linky at #68.
@Ohio Mom
A mini?
:)
Doug R
@Ohio Mom: Target did fold on DEI and Costco did not.
But even as a good Canadian, I still buy the occasional thing made in the USA-like duct tape-even Canadian companies have their duct tape made in the USA.
Ohio Mom
@NotMax: Link doesn’t work
just saw the corrected link, thinks
RevRick
@Matt McIrvin: Nobody should ever engage in a struggle deliberately seeking martyrdom, because that carries a shitload of fanaticism.
The original Greek meaning of the word martyria was simply to testify or bear witness in a legal trial. The aim was to bear witness, not get killed.
oldgold
This lyric from the Polish Prince, Bobby Vinton, captures what is going on.
“Blue on Blue, heart ache on heart ache.”
Trump is attacking Blue Law Firms, Blue Universities and Blue States. He is trying to weaken all blue power centers. All the while, he is voraciously aggregating power for himself. And, the end result for this nation will be heart ache on heart ache.
The
Big BeautifulBill is just more of the same. Its purpose, writ large, is to weaken blue and strengthen MAGA.comrade scotts agenda of rage
Why can’t all this be both a distraction (it is) and somewhat planned? Per #14:
zhena gogolia
@oldgold: Soundtrack in Kraków nightclub, 1975: “Moja droga, ja çie kocham . . .”
Melancholy Jaques
@Baud:
Green light for Nazis?
Matt McIrvin
@RevRick: I envy fanatics. They always know what’s right and I never do.
RevRick
@Baud: ‘Good Germans’ were willfully blind. Either that, or they were engaged in what Robert Jay Lifton described as doubling. They lived an ordinary life part of the time, and then they participated in the machinery of death by creating a separate self.
The antidote to that is to avoid moral backsliding by knowing what your moral values are and refusing to bend them.
eclare
@satby:
I read that too. IIRC, the audience numbered around 1k troops. Around 50k are stationed at Fort Bragg, I wouldn’t assume that crowd was representative.
Melancholy Jaques
@piratedan:
I think this is exactly what Roberts wanted. Prove me wrong!
WereBear
@Matt McIrvin: Likewise, except been so deep in an illness flare I can’t go to protests.
But this Saturday, I can and will.
The visibles need we, the less-visibles. :)
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@comrade scotts agenda of rage: It’s also clearly an attempt to distract from TACO.
eclare
@WereBear:
I’ll have to check that out! I’ve never seen Colombo, but it’s on Prime, which I have this month.
Baud
@RevRick:
While I don’t disagree, some of our Good Germans use hypermorality as an excuse for refusing to work with allies and walking away. So some degree of judgment is necessary to fully avoid being a Good German.
RevRick
@Matt McIrvin: No, they don’t know what is right but they are filled with certitude that theirs is the one true way and if they meet any resistance then it’s bulldozers and bullets.
Doubt and uncertainty and humility keep us human. And that is the real thing.
schrodingers_cat
Extremely stupid and malicious people are in charge of our country right now. We need to do all we can to get a Democratic Congress elected in 2026. Rest is noise.
WereBear
@lamh47: Wishing the best for your mom!
Flying is now perilous, too… so safety first. That is what will mean the most to mom.
Of course, I’m from the Midwest. My grandmother could be on fire, but she wouldn’t tell anyone and if I offered her a glass of water she would reflexively say, “If you’re getting up.” :)
schrodingers_cat
@lamh47: Good luck to your mom! Paws crossed.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@Melancholy Jaques: The current rules on You Tube drive the history channels nuts because doing a video on the Holocaust or using the word “suicide” when talking about Hitler suicide can get them banned.
TONYG
Yes, I think that you’re correct that “Call out the Marines to kill the Illegals” is largely a distraction from stealing from the poor and giving to the rich. I’m reminded of the scene where Anton Chigurh blows up a car so that he can rob a pharmacy. Chigurh, of course, gets away with his crimes at the end.
The Other Bob
The ICE raids and protests are a distraction for Chuck Schumer, but not for the people being unjustly arrested.
WereBear
@Ohio Mom: I’m be wearing my Cat Ladies for Kamala shirt. My town is having two gatherings, and it makes me feel a little better.
Not surrounded by the enemy at all, despite the redness of the NY district I’m in.
Matt McIrvin
@Baud: I’ve also been thinking a lot of Adam’s dark insinuations (if I am reading them correctly) that the rest of us here are wasting our time and living on copium, and this is a theater of World War III that only really ends in civil war or total loss. He’s been right about a lot of things so far.
TONYG
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: Factual information about the Holocaust is banned now on Youtube? Well, that’s certainly interesting. The “tech” corporations are certainly eager to comply with the contemporary Nazis, aren’t they.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
Yes, the German civilians were working side by side with slave laborers who were being slowly starved to death. The only reason they suddenly forgot how much they loved the NAZIs was the fear the Americans would turn them over to French or Soviet occupation.
Omnes Omnibus
Self-flagellation about not doing enough does nothing except make you feel bad. If you are tend toward it, just take a look at your life. If you can do more, then do more. If your capabilities, responsibilities, etc., limit what you can do, don’t worry about it. Everyone doesn’t need to be a frontline leader or a hero. Do what you can when you can. If things get worse, rethink.
glc
David Dayen keeps an eye on the bill.
The associated newsletter is “Trump’s Beautiful Disaster”
Currently The Prospect has three newsletters
TONYG
@TONYG: To be clear … not a distraction for the victims of this Nazi bullshit. But maybe a distraction in the larger scheme of things.
NotMax
Baud
@Matt McIrvin:
Maybe he’s right. The election changed everything. I’m not sure how that changes our behavior.
Omnes Omnibus
@Matt McIrvin: Napoleon once said that “a leader is dealer in hope”.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@TONYG: It’s not so much pro-NAZI, more the advertiser don’t like unpleasant things. And being You Tube they won’t monetize the videos for the content creator, but sell advertainment time on it anyway,
Kirk
@Ohio Mom:
Something to keep in mind – if someone should be doing these things they should not admit it on any public medium.
If you’re going to admit of going to or being at a protest, do so with full knowledge of the potential consequences in these days of information data leakage – you have been tagged. Not might be. Have been.
Don’t stop, please. Don’t let them win because you failed to do anything. Just be aware of the risks, and have at least an idea if not a plan for if /they/ decide you need to be part of an example.
Kristine
@Ohio Mom: IIRC I first learned of this from one of Rabbi Danya Ruttenberg’s columns:
Yes, there are exceptions, and it’s more a guideline than a rule. But it’s also not as many people as you’d think.
What am I trying to say…every little bit, building towards a bigger bit.
WereBear
@NotMax: Love it and stealing it to show you so…
eclare
@TONYG:
That was such a good movie, every aspect from the actors to sound.
NotMax
@Omnes Omnibus
Also said “Ten people who speak make more noise than ten thousand who are silent.”
Also too, “Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.”
Kirk
@Kirk: By the way and noting the above, I plan protesting when and where I can.
Kristine
@lamh47: All the best wishes!
Friends who’ve had this surgery say the way to insure the best possible outcome is to do the PT. But they often wish they’d had the surgery sooner because their lives are so much better with mobility and w/o pain.
Jackie
And so it begins:
Betty Cracker
@lamh47: Thinking of your mom.
@Geminid:
I agree — California wasn’t randomly chosen, nor was the issue for the current fascism performance art in LA. But I don’t think “distraction” is the right framing. It’s all of a piece. Working on a post highlighting a feature Anne Applebaum* wrote that elaborates on that a bit.
*Will probably be summarily dismissed due to the source! ;-)
Baud
@Betty Cracker:
Nominated!
Randal Sexton
At some point Trump will drop a nuke on Toronto, to distract us from the discovery of his death-camps or something. Yes it will distract us, because it is even more crazy/evil than the formerly most crazy/evil thing he has done.
schrodingers_cat
@Matt McIrvin: He was wrong about the Warrior Monk, he bought into the hagiography. He is not infallible. His expertise is military matters and foreign policy. He is certainly worth reading but his word is not the word of an all knowing and all seeing God
He (or anyone else for that matter) can’t predict something like a once in a century global pandemic.
TONYG
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: I guess that some of the “Good Germans” enthusiastically supported the Nazis while others just followed the path of least resistance. The same has been true during all of the atrocities of American history, and during the atrocities committed by other countries. One of my uncles participated, as a twenty-year-old army private, in the liberation of Buchenwald in April of 1945. Buchenwald was only about 8 miles from the city of Weimar. Supposedly, “None of the civilians in Weimar knew anything about what was happening in Buchenwald.”. They “didn’t know’ because the didn’t want to know.
NotMax
@Baud
New ruling needed.
Contempt of
courtnation.NutmegAgain
I think they’ve been itching to shoot a bunch of American for quite a while. Despite being a bunch of bumbling idiots they had some kind of plan–no, concepts of a plan, to go after a major city. LA provided the best excuse soonest. Of course, the Big Steal Everything bill has also been cooking for a while. They’ll smash, grab, and break as much and as often as they can.
Related: here’s a link to a Guardian story/video of a random woman walking hom to her apt, last night in LA, and she gets shot virtually point blank. WTF.
jlowe
@schrodingers_cat: I think the Democrats will spend the next few decades in the minority. However, that might work out for the best as they won’t be in power when the big climate migration wave occurring around 2050 turns the continent into a giant conflict zone. Dem politicians need to spend the next generation making sure everyone knows that all of the resulting pain and chaos is the fault of Republican politicians and voters.
Belafon
@Geminid: My only beef with that sentence is that our “weak spot” is, based on the rest of the sentence, empathy.
HinTN
@Ohio Mom: Order a Capresso directly from their web store. They cost more but last far longer so the total cost of ownership is far less.
Matt McIrvin
@jlowe: the sad thing about those climate migrations is that any country in the global North willing to welcome them and take all the associated social disruptions will probably win big in the long run… but nobody will take that bet.
Redshift
@Kristine: Also good to remember that an important part of resistance is non-compliance with regime demands. Not everything is big public actions, throwing sand in the gears where you can is part of what brings down authoritarians.
schrodingers_cat
@jlowe: Ds can take back Congress in 2026. Rs don’t have a huge margin in the House. In the long run we are all dead so I am not interested in speculating about the distant future. YMMV.
Mudlark
Delurking to say something I think is important. “It’s a distraction” doesn’t mean “my issue is more important than yours.” It means “I’m sitting this one out.” It means “I’m not obligated to stand up and fight this.” It means “I’m ignoring the fear I should feel in order to pretend the status quo is sustainable for one more day.” It means “my apathy is not only justifiable, but a moral or intellectual responsibility for everyone else.” It’s shameful bullshit, in other words. Cowardice masking itself as superior discernment.
Over the last year or so, I’ve learned that when people use the words like “kabuki,” “kayfabe” or distraction,” you can safely discount their opinion on that issue and — often — on others.
Baud
@schrodingers_cat:
Joni Ernst agrees! :-)
WereBear
@RevRick: Absolutely.
No quarter on every front by different people picking a strength.
Wasn’t trying to recruit. And I donate to the Quakers, who are covering what they do best.
schrodingers_cat
@Baud: Indulging in dystopian fantasies is a luxury we don’t have, we need to keep our eye on the ball for 2026.
Also, giving into doom is giving up our power. T 2.0 wants us to be cowed down and afraid
ETA: I was channeling Keynes.
Citizen Alan
@piratedan:
I hope bernie sanders, jill stein, and all of their ilk are happy, too. Because nearly every bad thing happening today could have been averted if president hillary clinton had appointed the replacement for antonin scalia.
schrodingers_cat
@Citizen Alan: Oh they are happy and well compensated for selling us down the river.
WereBear
@TONYG: Trump will qualify for an oxygen tank soon. But even then cultists would not have seen the movie.
But in this Bizzaro (Superman reference) world the image evokes, I sense many meme possibilities.
zhena gogolia
@Mudlark: Interesting.
Matt McIrvin
@schrodingers_cat: I do remember people saying during the GWBush administration that the Republican Party had “solved politics” and there was simply no way to beat them any more, even though their majority was pretty narrow.
I suppose they did, to some degree– the Congressional obstruction machine was effective at limiting liberal gains even when they lost, and set the stage for later victories.
But there was a long period after Reagan when conservatives would call out this or that as “that’s why your side always loses elections” and liberals didn’t even push back, just accepted that they are the ones who always lose elections… even when it wasn’t true. Even after Clinton and Obama.
I haven’t heard it in a while, though.
Baud
@schrodingers_cat:
Right, that’s why I asked up thread what I’m supposed to do with the information about our ultimate demise.
Ken B
@satby: That would explain why the troops behind him were much whiter than the army as a whole.
I wondered about that.
schrodingers_cat
@Baud: I suppose they want us to feel despondent and give up. OR praise the predictor of DOOM as a seer.
Baud
@schrodingers_cat:
So let’s not.
NotMax
@WereBear
From classic DC comics history:
“Is big crime to make anything perfect on Bizarro world!”
schrodingers_cat
@Baud: Agreed.
eclare
@schrodingers_cat:
Exactly. Instead of “in the long run we’re all dead,” I prefer this line from Moonstruck, “Everything is temporary! That don’t excuse nothin!”
https://youtu.be/5JDqAS7KxtU?si=vRIweTdb-55TYNIw
This too shall pass…I’m going to do what I can so that it passes as quickly as possible.
Gloria DryGarden
@Geminid: for me the distraction has been than I’m so pissed about him using LA, and lying to exaggerate the protests, as an excuse to throw military at it and trample on states rights,
that I stopped paying attention to the horrible bill and what I might say when I call my senators,
it’s hard to keep all the details about both , and be so upset, and then plan productive calls to congress. The split attention is the distraction, one big thing, competing against another for attention. I imagine the “ leadership” wants our eyes on the protest and military mess, and not on this stupid bill.
Gloria DryGarden
@Betty Cracker: yeah, well, it’s too much. I have personal life stuff I’m not managing, on top. I’m failing to multitask.
Matt McIrvin
@WereBear: There was a fad a little while ago in the right-wing gun-enthusiast community for posting a photo of yourself pointing a gun at your dick with your finger on the trigger, to mock the killjoy nerds in the community who insisted on gun safety rules.
Ruckus
@LeftCoastYankee:
I don’t know if his goal is to break everything but then that does sound like something he’d do. Like a 3 yr old – if he can’t have all the toys then a tantrum.
Am I saying that he’s acting like a 3 yr old? That’s mighty harsh.
Against actual 3 yr olds.
schrodingers_cat
@Redshift: The media loves this excitement. They did their bit to bring him back. Without the media he wouldn’t have been elected and reelected. They are his base.
Geminid
@Belafon: Well, the rest of the sentence reads:
Why should the Democratic Party show empathy for crime? Or civil unrest if it takes the form of arson, hurling chunks of concrete at cops, or looting? There is a concept called “suicidal empathy” that I think applies in this case.
WereBear
@Jackie: Worry about Civil War?
We’re soaking in it.
Ruckus
@JML:
BINGO!!!
I’ve made this comment before about shitforbrains – (which I now see is a distraction from reality, he’s far worse than that)
In shitforbrains world everything rotates around him. Which is why it’s always, at the very least – not good, at the worst horrible. Does he want power or does he want the entire world to rotate around the stick stuck somewhere in his body? I’m going C, both of the above.
Ruckus
@Matt McIrvin:
I suppose martyrdom is of limited utility.
It is but it is also a normal human concept in this type of situation. We in theory have a pretty large concept of survival. It can change as we age into old fartitus and shitforbrains is up there on the ladder to old fartitus. Well up that ladder. I have to strain my neck to look that far up the ladder. And use binoculars. It’s not a lot of age that separates us on that ladder, it’s how crappy we make that ladder as we climb, and on a scale of how crappy, he’s at about 99%. Most humans only get to about 5% because they have retained their humanity. Guess why he’s at 99%……
Ruckus
@lamh47:
JML at #60 said it very well. So many parts of healthcare these days are far better than in the lifetimes of many of us. The knowledge and experience of making life better in medicine is far, far better than it was early in the lifetimes of us old farts. Things that were not even imagined 50-60 years ago are now routine, in every side of healthcare.
Gloria DryGarden
@Geminid: subject, verb, object. Cops throwing tear gas at cars. Provocateurs throwing rocks and bricks. ( not sure who). Ice or cops or NG shooting rubber bullets at journalists on purpose, causing injuries to nonviolent people.
i suspect the violence is coming not from protesters, but mr liar and his teams are blaming us, to get that excuse for using military. Inciting, making it worse.
Ruckus
@Matt McIrvin:
I suppose martyrdom is of limited utility.
It always is.
WereBear
@Matt McIrvin: It takes an average of seven tries for the battered spouse to successfully leave.
It is also the most dangerous time.
TONYG
@Ken B: Interesting point. Both the Army and the Marines — the “boots on the ground” — have a very high percentage of non-“white” personnel. But I won’t be surprised if the grunts that are being selected to occupy Los Angeles have been “coincidentally” selected to be almost all “white”.
Ruckus
@RevRick:
There is a lot going on in this world, and some of it may just be the number of us breathing and walking, which of course is a much bigger number than ever before. That we are all human (some better at human than others…..) is good and can be not so good, if we let our need to survive outweigh others need to survive. We have to work together for the common good. In shitforbrains world we are supposed to work together and tirelessly for his good. But that’s not how it works. Which is of course at least one good reason why he shouldn’t be where he is. But that is where we are. I also believe that is the two sides to our politics – one side is for the common good and one side is more for the singular/selfish good. Which is which should be obvious.
TONYG
@eclare: Yes. Of course when Keynes said “in the long run we’re all dead”, he was mocking the right-wing economists who were telling each other that the Great Depression would solve itself in the long run. He was advocating or immediate government action to alleviate the suffering of ordinary people.
TONYG
@Baud: What pisses me the most about Joni Ernst’s non-apology in the graveyard was her little sermon about how she has achieved eternal life through her faith in Jesus Christ. Fuck her. I would pay good money to see Jesus come back and beat the shit out of “religious” assholes like her.
Gloria DryGarden
@Ruckus: i wish politicians had to take a Hippocrates oath, and regular ethics classes. Do no harm.
Ruckus
@japa21:
Most humans have short(ish) attention spans. Most humans also have the ability to remember at least one grave assault or distraction. I know, have heard this as “this sticks out in my mind,” a few times when I was a mental health counselor.
Often that distraction is replaced by another, at least eventually. The thought isn’t lost, mainly just pushed farther back in memory, possibly losing some status in the memory vault. Some have more of these memories – which can be a clue to the lives they’ve led. Which can be important in a mental health situation.
Ruckus
@Gloria DryGarden:
Think it would help?
For some, absolutely it would.
For some, it absolutely would not.
It is after all – humanity, all its sides, levels and yes, humanity.
Geminid
@Gloria DryGarden: The Los Angeles Times published a good article yesterday titled, “Protesters or agitators: who is driving chaos at L.A. immigration protests?” It’s not an op-ed but rather a fairly detailed piece of reporting.
I will try to link it:
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-06-10/protesters-or-agitators-who-are-drivers-of-chaos-at-immigrations-protests
The LA Times had another article where they interviewed some business owners whose stores were looted. They didn’t seem to blame the protesters as a group, but instead held a smaller set of opportunistic criminals responsible.
Gloria DryGarden
@Geminid: awesome! Thx.
Wilson Heath
This isn’t a distraction but an expression of policy priorities. Presuming that deploying troops isn’t about wanting to start a race war in the 2nd largest city in the country that is predominantly Latino (and very blue) is like missing water falling out of a boat.
Ruckus
@TONYG:
You are missing the point of Christianity. Of most religions.
You have heaven. And hell. Or the equivalent of them. A good or bad place to end up, which is entirely your own decision in how you live your life.
The concept takes more than just faith in that it exists. The book is full of stories and concepts that it exists. It is the belief that they exist and are opposites that is the entire book. Every religion I’ve seen has the same concept – but with different examples and concepts of why and how. This is humanity explaining why it is better to be good than a piece of crap. And giving it a concept that can never be proven that it exists or doesn’t. And it often actually works. It’s stated differently in different religions but the message is the same – don’t be a pompous arrogant jackass because not being one is better. Religion is real – or not, is not the point. Being a better human being, making better decisions about others is the point. Giving you an individual reason and path is the process. You don’t need a religion to give you this, but those religions give you a positive path if you can’t figure this out or give yourself one. This is a reason why so many see religion as a path. I was sent to an all boys technical high school run by a religion and not the one I was raised in. Catholic. Next door to a seminary. One of the priests was a damn good human and one was the exact opposite. All the others in the middle. The good one didn’t care that I wasn’t Catholic. He cared that I was a good human. He got respect. Still does decades later. His opposite was a pompous arrogant ass who at least presented himself as the next in line to be – no not god, but a dictator. I feel no different about him decades later than I did then. At least it was a good place to see the possible differences in being an adult human. That year in HS was actually good for me, what I wrote above has stood up my entire life. We aren’t the same. Some of us are good, some are pure shit. I was lucky to see both at the same time, to see that difference, to be able to see it so obviously that there was no question as to which direction is better.
Ruckus
@Wilson Heath:
is like missing water falling out of a boat
You can miss the water if that boat is on a trailer going down the road at 60 mph. Which is one of the possible concepts of shitforbrains. Seemingly very little of whatever it is that rattles around in that brain makes a lot of sense, if for no other reason than it is always about him. ALWAYS.
I believe that it is important that we see this – his belief that the world rotates around him. That he is the leader of all, not just the president. That his throne is higher than anyone else’s and especially higher than all of us that have no throne. And no I don’t believe that anything in that whatever it is on top his shoulders is rational and reasonable. Cause if it’s a brain – it needs, and has needed for a very long time now, not a tune up but a complete overhaul. And unfortunately that is unavailable.
Matt McIrvin
@jlowe:
oh, and by the way, there is no possible world in which the Democrats “spend the next few decades in the minority” and then are allowed to come back. The options are (1) we start winning sooner than that or (2) we get rounded up and shot.