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You are here: Home / Open Threads / DHS goons roughed up Senator Padilla (D-CA) at Noem presser

DHS goons roughed up Senator Padilla (D-CA) at Noem presser

by Betty Cracker|  June 12, 20252:52 pm| 200 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Politics, Republican Stupidity

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This seems like a significant escalation:

AP footage of Senator Alex Padilla being physically removed from Kristi Noem’s press conference about the LA @schiff.senate.gov @congresstran.bsky.social

Thank you, Senator @padilla.senate.gov

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— Arthur Anderson (@uabyyruwi.bsky.social) June 12, 2025 at 2:07 PM

I can’t make out exactly what he’s saying in the clip — something about violent criminals rotating through ICE? (We know they made January 6 goons eligible for employment.)

MN Senator Tina Smith shared a photo from one of Padilla’s staffers.

This is disgusting.

If this is how they treat Alex Padilla, a United States Senator, how do you think they’ll treat you?

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— Tina Smith (@smith.senate.gov) June 12, 2025 at 2:39 PM

This is fucked up, y’all.

Open thread.

ETA: Here’s a video of the goons taking the senator down and cuffing him. (H/T: Kelly)

California Sen. Alex Padilla was just forcibly removed from a DHS press conference and handcuffed.

"I am Senator Alex Padilla. I have questions for the secretary."

Video from @Elex_Michaelson on X via Padilla's staff.

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— Democracy Docket (@democracydocket.com) June 12, 2025 at 2:34 PM

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  1. 1.

    Kelly

    June 12, 2025 at 2:53 pm

    Video of taking him down and hand cuffing

    https://bsky.app/profile/democracydocket.com/post/3lrgkqrrts22p

  2. 2.

    Mr. Bemused Senior

    June 12, 2025 at 2:57 pm

    It was a perfect storm of mistakes. /s

  3. 3.

    Betty Cracker

    June 12, 2025 at 2:58 pm

    @Kelly: Added that clip to the post. Thank you!

  4. 4.

    Jeffro

    June 12, 2025 at 2:58 pm

    Kristi Noem at that press conference: ” DHS is staying here to liberate this city from the socialist and the burdensome leadership that this governor and this mayor have placed on this country and what they have tried to insert into this city.”

    so…no longer looking for ‘violent illegal immigrants’, then?

    mission creep is a helluva thing…

  5. 5.

    Steve LaBonne

    June 12, 2025 at 3:00 pm

    @Jeffro: Gee, you think maybe even Jake Tapper can understand what this means? Nah, probably not.

  6. 6.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    June 12, 2025 at 3:00 pm

    In their defense, how did they really know it was a US Senator?

    After all, he looks like all those other illegals from south of the border.  He could have just said anything in order to get close to the Secretary in order to inflict harm on her.

    Or breath the same air she’s breathing and we can’t have even that.

    So they were just exercising good cautionary procedures.  Always remember, it’s what 77 million ‘Murkins voted for so they’re just following the will of the voters.

    The above should be snark, alas, it’s far from it in reality.

  7. 7.

    Salty Sam

    June 12, 2025 at 3:02 pm

    DHS is staying here to liberate this city from the socialist and the burdensome leadership that this governor and this mayor have placed on this country…

    Who has violently invaded and occupied whom?

  8. 8.

    Lobo

    June 12, 2025 at 3:02 pm

    They do this because of who we are.  They roughed up a fellow homie.   I identify as Chicano and Latino.

    If you want to do something:  Call Senators and urge them to use the Congressional Review Act.  It is privileged and uses 10 hours of time.   It needs thirty senators.

    For everyone so concerned about flags, buy a bunch of American Flags and deliver them to the protests.  We are a proud bunch and taking it on the chin right now.   I only post to urge action.  I understand why Mistermix and Kay left.  Not worth the hassle of interacting otherwise.

    We are at that line.

  9. 9.

    RandomMonster

    June 12, 2025 at 3:03 pm

    “To be fair, his last name is Padilla.”
    – Trump Administration, probably

  10. 10.

    Ishiyama

    June 12, 2025 at 3:04 pm

    What the Democratic Party needs is an new version of the Self-Denying Ordinance to get rid of the shirkers and losers in the party who don’t want to, or don’t know how to fight like their lives depend on it.

  11. 11.

    Captain C

    June 12, 2025 at 3:07 pm

    FTFNYT:  Uppity Senator Causes Scuffle with Heroic Law Enforcement While Harrassing Highly Competent Noem

  12. 12.

    Jeffro

    June 12, 2025 at 3:07 pm

    @Steve LaBonne: I bet Terry Moran understands it.

  13. 13.

    Marc

    June 12, 2025 at 3:07 pm

    @Jeffro:

    ” DHS is staying here to liberate this city from the socialist and the burdensome leadership that this governor and this mayor have placed on this country and what they have tried to insert into this city.”

    It’s definitely time for mass protests to demonstrate that neither the leadership nor the people of CA are willing to obey fascist threats.

  14. 14.

    Scout211

    June 12, 2025 at 3:08 pm

    NBC has the story up with Democratic pols reactions.

    Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., denounced the incident on the Senate floor. “I just saw something that sickened my stomach. The manhandling of a United States Senator, we need immediate answers to what the hell went on,” he said.

    Sen. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., the state’s other senator, wrote on X that Padilla “represents the best of the Senate. The disgraceful and disrespectful conduct of DHS agents, pushing and shoving him out of a briefing like that, demands our condemnation. He will not be silenced or intimidated. His questions will be answered. I’m with Alex.”

    California Gov. Gavin Newsom said in a post on X that Padilla “is one of the most decent people I know.” “This is outrageous, dictatorial, and shameful. Trump and his shock troops are out of control. This must end now,” he added.

    The Congressional Hispanic Caucus, of which Padilla is a member, called what happened “unacceptable.”

    “We demand a full investigation and consequences for every official involved in this assault against a sitting US senator,” the group said on X.

  15. 15.

    prostratedragon

    June 12, 2025 at 3:10 pm

    Thank you for posting so quickly, BC. Main rally in Chicago Saturday at Daley Plaza (city property) noon–2pm. Other towns such as Evanston, LaGrange, and Oak Park also have something planned. According to link, an anti-ICE march downtown at 4pm today. Don’t know where, but there’s a photo of a large one Tuesday taken near State & Lake.

  16. 16.

    jonas

    June 12, 2025 at 3:12 pm

    We’ll see if this warrants more than just a strongly-worded letter of concern from Chuck Schumer

    ETA — hadn’t seen Scout’s comment above with Schumer’s remarks, but still…

  17. 17.

    Steve LaBonne

    June 12, 2025 at 3:13 pm

    @Scout211: Use every possible tactic- eg. privileged motions- to shut the Senate down for as long as possible. And no cooperation on the debt ceiling. The time for sternly worded letters is long past.

  18. 18.

    laura

    June 12, 2025 at 3:13 pm

    He is My Senior Senator and I have immense respect for him and his staff both here in state and in D.C.  The general awfulness is sharpening into the personal and closer to home. They hate us, they mean to harm us, they have a large portion of our fellow Americans that lusts for this and our media betters provide cover for this fuckery all day every day. I’m in a mood.

  19. 19.

    Lobo

    June 12, 2025 at 3:14 pm

    Procedural Tools for Congress to Slow Down MAGA
    Phone scripts and sample language to ask your reps to draw the line
    https://susanrogan.substack.com/p/procedural-tools-for-congress-to

    Let me know if you hear me or if I am banned for some crime against humanity.

    Please call your representatives.  I am also in a mood.

  20. 20.

    Suzanne

    June 12, 2025 at 3:17 pm

    @Lobo: You’re not banned, I hear you.

    I am absolutely horrified.

    We need to name and shame these goons, and their bosses, all the way to the FFOTUS.

  21. 21.

    laura

    June 12, 2025 at 3:20 pm

    @Lobo: I have my Congresswoman and both Senators’s phone numbers on my cell and you be damn sure calls will be made right now because this fuckery cannot stand.

  22. 22.

    Betty Cracker

    June 12, 2025 at 3:20 pm

    @Lobo: You aren’t banned. FWIW, I appreciate your comments.

  23. 23.

    ArchTeryx

    June 12, 2025 at 3:22 pm

    Where in the hell was Padilla’s security? They should have been all over these DHS goons the moment they laid hands on a U.S. Senator. Are they all Trumpanzees now?

  24. 24.

    Steve in the ATL

    June 12, 2025 at 3:22 pm

    Has there been any reaction from RW media?  Or the t***p administration?

  25. 25.

    blindyone

    June 12, 2025 at 3:23 pm

    Senator Padilla grew up in Pacoima ( where I was an elementary schoolteacher for several years) graduated from San Fernando HS ( I graduated from a nearby HS) and graduated from MIT. His background alone makes him an extraordinary individual. This is a deliberately provocative insult to many people I’ve lived and worked with.

  26. 26.

    Steve LaBonne

    June 12, 2025 at 3:23 pm

    So Noem said Padilla “lunged forward without identifying himself”. You lying piece of shit, we’ve all seen the video.

  27. 27.

    Scout211

    June 12, 2025 at 3:24 pm

    Noem was asked about it at the presser.

    Asked about the confrontation at the news conference, Noem said, “I’ll visit with the senator and find out, really, what his concerns are and what we can do.”

    Sure, sure, ICE Barbie. We really believe you, because you always are so reasonable. //

  28. 28.

    Another Scott

    June 12, 2025 at 3:24 pm

    Agreed that this seems significant. It should make all senators furious.

    Another potentially significant bit of news – TheList on lack of interest in 47’s parade:

    Donald Trump’s military parade is just days away. While the event is on the president’s birthday, it was the Army’s annual birthday party first. However, once Trump and his team had a say in the planning, the event became increasingly elaborate. The intended number of participants expanded exponentially: from 300 to 6,600. Not everyone is convinced that the spotlight is really on the military, either. “Trump is throwing himself a $30 million birthday parade just to stroke his own ego,” Democratic Senator Tammy Duckworth asserted on Instagram.

    Unfortunately for Trump, it doesn’t appear that potential crowd sizes are developing at the same pace as participants. People are already announcing their intentions to stay home, including Republican members of Congress. Politico queried 50 people, and for 43 of them, the allure of alternate weekend plans was more compelling. Pope Leo’s also planning his own event that same day, which will no doubt further dilute people’s attention

    Another potential red flag is the lack of interest in accommodations. “I ran some room reservation requests for 13 -15 for cheap rooms that would not be available in a period of high occupancy,” commented on poster on X. “I can say with a reasonable degree of certainty, nobody is coming to DC.” Besides the possible lack of in-person attendees, Trump could be disappointed with the lack of TV coverage. While Fox News will devote extensive airtime to the event, other networks will confine coverage to their streaming services, so viewers can still tune into sports and favorite shows on broadcast/cable.

    […]

    [ womp, womp ]

    I just checked Travelocity – there do indeed seem to be plenty of rooms available that aren’t hugely expensive (e.g. 2 people 2 nights < $200 total).

    Here's hoping the No Kings events get lots of attendance, rain or no rain.

    Forward!!

    Best wishes,
    Scott.

  29. 29.

    Steve LaBonne

    June 12, 2025 at 3:25 pm

    @ArchTeryx: Senators don’t have security details AFAIK.

  30. 30.

    blindyone

    June 12, 2025 at 3:25 pm

    @Salty Sam: Indeed.

  31. 31.

    lowtechcyclist

    June 12, 2025 at 3:25 pm

    @Jeffro:

    Kristi Noem at that press conference: ” DHS is staying here to liberate this city from the socialist and the burdensome leadership that this governor and this mayor have placed on this country and what they have tried to insert into this city.”

    As I said downstairs, she’s directly stated that she is using force in/against Los Angeles because she doesn’t like the politics of the elected mayor and governor of the city and the state.  (And one of its Senators, obviously.)

    This is a coup, and she is a traitor.

  32. 32.

    George

    June 12, 2025 at 3:25 pm

    @jonas: ​
     Comments like yours are pointless. Instead of attacking the administration, you choose to attack an ally. Brilliant.

  33. 33.

    JoyceH

    June 12, 2025 at 3:26 pm

    DHS claims that they didn’t know who Padilla was and that he “lunged” at the Secretary. Uh… they do know that numerous cameras were recording everything, right?

  34. 34.

    Kelly

    June 12, 2025 at 3:26 pm

    It seems possible but ridiculous that Noem’s staff didn’t know who he is. Also I think Sen Padilla put up a sensible amount of restance. He’s a big guy.

  35. 35.

    Belafon

    June 12, 2025 at 3:27 pm

    @Jeffro: Do you have a link to a story with that?

  36. 36.

    Betty Cracker

    June 12, 2025 at 3:27 pm

    Nazi Cow Noem made some comments (i.e., told some lies) after the incident: (CNN)

    “I wish that he would have reached out and identified himself and let us know who he was and that he wanted to talk,” Noem added. “His approach was something that I don’t think was appropriate.”

    He identified himself in the briefing room, as everyone could hear. And it didn’t look like a general briefing that anyone could attend, given the number of people present. They weren’t just letting randos in, I’m sure.

    “I think everybody in America would would agree that that wasn’t appropriate,” she said during the news conference. “If you wanted to have a civil discussion, especially as a leader, a public official, that you would reach out and try to have a conversation.”

    Wrong, Nazi Cow. What’s inappropriate is your fucking goons throwing people on the floor.

    Also, I am looking forward to hearing more about the violent criminals in ICE, which is what I think Senator Padilla was trying to ask questions about?

  37. 37.

    Lobo

    June 12, 2025 at 3:28 pm

    @Betty Cracker:  Thanks.  Please call and demand Senators shut it all down. Wow!

  38. 38.

    Glidwrith

    June 12, 2025 at 3:29 pm

    @ArchTeryx: The press conference was literally in an FBI building. Why would the Senator expect to need security?

    The recording above was one of his people.

  39. 39.

    Steve LaBonne

    June 12, 2025 at 3:29 pm

    @Kelly: HE IDENTIFIED HIMSELF. It’s quite audible in the video.

  40. 40.

    AM in NC

    June 12, 2025 at 3:29 pm

    So I just went on FOX’s website to see how they present this, and it is just such an alternate reality – and the comments are even worse.  I don’t know how we ever get back to decency and reality until billionaire-owned disinformation sources are dealt with. Sinclair, Clear Channel, FOX, the Mercers, OAN, Twitter/X, and on and on, and on.

    I used to feel hopeful (and I am not going to stop fighting, regardless), but the brainwashing of millions of Americans is a serious, deadly problem that we have not begun to grapple with in a meaningful way.

  41. 41.

    Redshift

    June 12, 2025 at 3:29 pm

    @ArchTeryx:

    Where in the hell was Padilla’s security? They should have been all over these DHS goons the moment they laid hands on a U.S. Senator. Are they all Trumpanzees now?

    What security? Senators don’t routinely have security outside of the Capitol unless they’re in leadership or there’s been a credible threat.

  42. 42.

    Chief Oshkosh

    June 12, 2025 at 3:29 pm

    @Scout211: I’m not sure how I’d react in their shoes, and maybe they said more and acted with, you know, actual actions, but this is some very weak tea: “We’re outraged! We demand investigations!!!”

    Goddammit, how about at least “We encourage ALL real Americans to join the No Kings peaceful protest movement! or some other words or actions of actual leadership.

  43. 43.

    Steve LaBonne

    June 12, 2025 at 3:30 pm

    @JoyceH: Who ya gonna believe, the Dog Murderer or your lying eyes?

  44. 44.

    Montanareddog

    June 12, 2025 at 3:31 pm

    @Captain C: FTFNYT “DHS Sec. Kristi Noem ups the stakes in dispute with CA politicians”

  45. 45.

    Belafon

    June 12, 2025 at 3:31 pm

    @George: It’s not even the first comment in this thread that is trying to shift the story from Noem and Padilla to the problem with Democrats.

  46. 46.

    Betty Cracker

    June 12, 2025 at 3:32 pm

    @Lobo: I will, but fat lot of good it will do as my two U.S. senators are Rick Scott (a MAGA piece of shit) and Ashley Moody, a DeSantis appointee (and therefore also a piece of shit).

  47. 47.

    O. Felix Culpa

    June 12, 2025 at 3:34 pm

    @Lobo:

    I only post to urge action.  I understand why Mistermix and Kay left.  Not worth the hassle of interacting otherwise.

    Huh? If we’re so worthless, why do you bother with us? Feel free to return to your safe space.

    That said, we’re in a crisis and it’s all hands on deck. First fight the fascists, and then turn on each other after the glorious victory.

  48. 48.

    Lobo

    June 12, 2025 at 3:36 pm

    @Betty Cracker: Sorry to hear about your Senators.  All you with Democratic Senators.  Light a fire under their …

  49. 49.

    Kelly

    June 12, 2025 at 3:37 pm

    @Steve LaBonne: He definitely did. However Noem’s staff could easily be such amateurs that they didn’t know who is Senator from CA or didn’t recognize his face. Incompetent or malicious? Probably both

  50. 50.

    AM in NC

    June 12, 2025 at 3:38 pm

    @Lobo:  I called both of my useless GOP Senators after seeing this and told them I don’t want to see violent hands laid on them or any other US Senator.  WHAT ARE YOU DOING ABOUT TRUMP ADMINISTRATION AUTHORITARIAN VIOLENCE, SENATOR?   And I told that Sec. Noem was both LYING and calling for federal authorities to “liberate” LA from the duly elected Mayor and Governor.  How is this Constitutional, Senator?  WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!?!

    Every one of us needs to be taking action. Many actions.

  51. 51.

    O. Felix Culpa

    June 12, 2025 at 3:38 pm

    @Kelly: He doesn’t pass the paper bag test, therefore dangerous.

  52. 52.

    Belafon

    June 12, 2025 at 3:38 pm

    @O. Felix Culpa: But not until after. Don’t start when it looks like victory is close. Hand grenades and horseshoes.

  53. 53.

    NeenerNeener

    June 12, 2025 at 3:39 pm

    @Another Scott: They’re recruiting seat fillers for that day, too, recruited by some company called Fight Fight Fight LLC. Supposedly paying $1000 in crypto. Extras are supposed to wear white and blue and wear red MAGA hats.  I wish I could paste the news article but this little box won’t let me and the email I got doesn’t have a link.

    What’s going on in LA right now is probably going to happen in NYC and Chicago, too, isn’t it?

  54. 54.

    PatD

    June 12, 2025 at 3:39 pm

    Well, I’m not a Newsom fan but he’s probably the best right now at using every opportunity to attack Republicans in the clearest possible terms. The only way to get Trump to back down is to make this politically costly. Otherwise, it’s our new normal everywhere in the country.

  55. 55.

    Betty Cracker

    June 12, 2025 at 3:43 pm

    @PatD: You’re right; Newsom really has stepped up. Also, if polls are to be believed, Trump is paying politically. His numbers are terrible, including on the deportation push.

  56. 56.

    Trollhattan

    June 12, 2025 at 3:43 pm

    @Steve LaBonne:

    Anytime Noem looks at a Democrat she sees Cricket.

    Trump is so lucky to have her.

  57. 57.

    trnc

    June 12, 2025 at 3:44 pm

    Will the legacy media show this unadulterated crap without some lame defense of the administration or both siderism?

  58. 58.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 12, 2025 at 3:44 pm

    Every Senator (D or R) should be up in arms about this.

  59. 59.

    Josie

    June 12, 2025 at 3:45 pm

    @NeenerNeener: ​
     Maybe forward the email to a front pager with a message explaining what is in it?

  60. 60.

    Trollhattan

    June 12, 2025 at 3:46 pm

    @PatD:

    I award points for his saying “Trump and his shock troops.” Because that’s who and what they are.

  61. 61.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    June 12, 2025 at 3:47 pm

    So, since it turned out there is no riot in LA, Trump is distracting from the 3,000 or so soldiers and marine holding their dicks by attacking a US senator for asking a question.  Just wow.

  62. 62.

    Karen S.

    June 12, 2025 at 3:47 pm

    @Another Scott: The Trumpers are hoping to paper the house with paid (in cryptocurrency) “talent.”

  63. 63.

    O. Felix Culpa

    June 12, 2025 at 3:47 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Agreed. I’m curious to see how R Senators respond, if at all.

  64. 64.

    Trollhattan

    June 12, 2025 at 3:47 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Anticipating Susan Collins setting furrow level to Ditch.

  65. 65.

    ...now I try to be amused

    June 12, 2025 at 3:50 pm

    @Trollhattan:

    I award points for his saying “Trump and his shock troops.” Because that’s who and what they are.

    Sturmabteilung?

  66. 66.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    June 12, 2025 at 3:50 pm

    @Steve LaBonne:

    Sounds like (D) Senators, particularly those with melanin, need a security detail to protect them from the Executive Branch’s security detail.

  67. 67.

    Trollhattan

    June 12, 2025 at 3:50 pm

    A different assault on California proceeds.

    President Donald Trump signed into law measures to overturn California’s efforts to ban the sale of gasoline-powered vehicles, a plan he called a “horrible little scheme.” Before he took office in January, Trump said, “The government gave the left-wing radicals in California dictatorial powers to control the future of the entire car industry all over the country, all over the world actually,” referring to the state’s governor as “Gov. Gavin Newscum.”

    Newsom, Trump said, “was killing the auto industry. I don’t think he knew it.” Trump signed the bills Thursday in an elaborate White House ceremony, surrounded by Cabinet officials and Republican congressional leaders. He singled out Reps. Kevin Kiley, R-Roseville, and Doug LaMalfa, R-Chico, for special praise for their roles in pushing the legislation. He used the event to bash California, a favorite target for years.

    “They did open borders, men playing in women’s sports, transgender for everybody…what a group of people you had over there. They must have hated our country,” he said, adding, “They have the most ridiculous laws I’ve ever seen for a lot of things. “ It’s highly unusual for federal legislation to target the policies of a single state, but Republican lawmakers maintained that unless Washington stops California, its policies could spread across the nation.

    https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article308470640.html#storylink=cpy

    It was just today I learned EVs are not built by “the car industry.” The hell do they come from, I wonder?

  68. 68.

    Raoul Paste

    June 12, 2025 at 3:50 pm

    It just emphasizes that Krugman is right.

  69. 69.

    Belafon

    June 12, 2025 at 3:51 pm

    @Betty Cracker: Which is why he will only get worse. He thinks the reaction will help him.

  70. 70.

    Lobo

    June 12, 2025 at 3:52 pm

    @AM in NC: Thanks to all contacting their representatives.  If you are out in any No Kings rally this weekend, keep safe and protest peacefully.

  71. 71.

    Sherparick1

    June 12, 2025 at 3:52 pm

    @Jeffro: Yea, no need to have silly elections says the puppy killer.  Also, she like Trump has defined all Democrats and anti-Trump Amerircans as “socialists” who have no rights.

  72. 72.

    Trollhattan

    June 12, 2025 at 3:53 pm

    @…now I try to be amused:

    Seems to be where we’re at in the sequence. Schutzstaffel would be my other thought.

  73. 73.

    Belafon

    June 12, 2025 at 3:53 pm

    @Trollhattan: I believe windmills give birth to them after the bird sacrifices.

  74. 74.

    WTFGhost

    June 12, 2025 at 3:53 pm

    @Another Scott: (who quoted)
    “exponentially”

    I now will rant.

    Exponential growth has a very specific meaning. It means the growth is based upon the current size. If it doubles in size, it will then be growing twice as fast as it is, now. (Technically, exponential growth that’s negative is exponential decay, and it shows the same property – it shrinks half as fast, when it’s shrunk to half its size. This is why the term “half-life” came from.)

    The number of people involved didn’t grow “exponentially” from 300 to 6600 – the number of people changed by an order of magnitude, or went up by 2100%.

  75. 75.

    Baud

    June 12, 2025 at 3:53 pm

    @NeenerNeener:

    There was some doubt on Reddit whether that was real.

  76. 76.

    Another Scott

    June 12, 2025 at 3:53 pm

    @AM in NC: I think we have to remember that the folks you hear on these sites like Fox and so forth are not representative.  Most people are working this time of day, not watching TV.

    I’ve related this story before:

    When I was a kid in the Atlanta suburbs in the early ’70s, I liked to listen to Neil Boortz on a tiny Atlanta talk radio station.  One quiet Saturday afternoon he had an “open phones” thing and a (white) woman called in to vent about being stopped by a traffic cop and getting yelled at for something or other, when she had not done anything wrong, hadn’t done what he was yelling about, and the cop didn’t give her a ticket before letting her go.  She thought it was unfair and abusive and wanted people to be aware.

    Boortz listened to her story, made some non-committal remark, then when she was off the air, started in the next few minutes twisting what she said and turning it into her attacking the police who were just doing their job, etc., etc.  One could see that it was deliberate, that he knew he could take her call and twist it into something that would rile up his listeners and get them to participate.  And, like clockwork, the phones lit up with everyone elaborating on his version of what she said, which was diametrically opposed to what she had actually said.

    10 year old me couldn’t believe it.  It was bad enough that I called in and said that he was twisting what she said and should apologize.  Someone else 2-3 calls after me agreed with my version.

    The point is, lots of people (but not most people, and not most normies) want to rally for their team and their leaders.  They want to be led.  It really doesn’t matter what the facts of some event are.  It’s a tribal thing.  They enjoy being in their tribe and enjoy being riled up.

    Similarly this horrible abusive stuff with Noem, and Fox News’s coverage.

    And abusive stuff like what happened to Sen Padilla and many others will keep happening until there are consequences.  The Senate needs to step up and say ENOUGH.  As do many, many institutions.

    Grrr…

    Thanks.

    Best wishes,
    Scott.

  77. 77.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    June 12, 2025 at 3:54 pm

    @PatD:

    Well, I’m not a Newsom fan but he’s probably the best right now at using every opportunity to attack Republicans in the clearest possible terms.

    Yup.  I don’t hid non-liking of Governor Goodhair II and don’t want him to every be President.  But, his good qualities do bubble up from time to time (standing up for Biden last year, standing up to Hair Furor earlier this year over the fires, and now this).

    When it comes to butting heads with the Orange Fart Cloud, he definitely seems to know what he’s doing.

    We can always go back to beating on him later. :)

  78. 78.

    BarcaChicago

    June 12, 2025 at 3:55 pm

    Interesting that TPM site is down. And yes, I’m fully paranoid at this point.

  79. 79.

    JML

    June 12, 2025 at 3:55 pm

    @Trollhattan: I’m sure she’ll express concern. Not that it’ll stop her from voting with the MAGA Express. But Susan Collins will express concern. And find a way to blame both sides. She’s the worst, a feckless coward.

  80. 80.

    WaterGirl

    June 12, 2025 at 3:55 pm

    @Lobo: I hear you and I too am horrified.  What the hell did they say he did to warrant being manhandled, cuffed and arrested?

    No filming allowed?  Fuck that.

  81. 81.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    June 12, 2025 at 3:56 pm

    @Trollhattan:

    It was just today I learned EVs are not built by “the car industry.” The hell do they come from, I wonder?

    EV storks.

  82. 82.

    WaterGirl

    June 12, 2025 at 3:56 pm

    @ArchTeryx:

    Where in the hell was Padilla’s security? They should have been all over these DHS goons the moment they laid hands on a U.S. Senator. Are they all Trumpanzees now?

    That’s an excellent question.

  83. 83.

    Belafon

    June 12, 2025 at 3:57 pm

    @comrade scotts agenda of rage: “They shouldn’t have roughed him up like that, but he shouldn’t have been there.”

  84. 84.

    Mr. Bemused Senior

    June 12, 2025 at 3:57 pm

    @BarcaChicago: yeah, I noticed [TPM down] too.  Wait and see.

  85. 85.

    WTFGhost

    June 12, 2025 at 3:58 pm

    @Glidwrith: The President would have security, even in the FBI building. It’s not a matter of safety, it’s a matter of what the security detail demands (pursuant to what the protectee will accept).

    However, senators don’t tend to have security details, unless there are specific threats made against them. Private security is expensive, and the government will only pick up the tab if there’s a threat, and if (ultimately) Trump approves it, which means a D will only get protection if it serves Trump’s purposes, and he has deliberately cut security details from people he dislikes.

    Anyway: yeah, it makes sense that no security would protect the Senator, and non-security wouldn’t have a protocol for interfering with federal law enforcement. They didn’t even have a protocol for continuing to film in the face of opposition by goons who don’t have a right to demand the cessation of recording.

  86. 86.

    Citizen Dave

    June 12, 2025 at 3:59 pm

    I flew out of MSP yesterday and in the TSA line looked up and saw a loop of Noem going on about something. Several monitors on the walls/support beams. Thankfully there was no sound.
    There was an anti-ICE rally last night in of all places Indianapolis, adjacent to the Pacers arena, before Game 3 of the NBA Finals (Go Pacers!). About 500 people. No issues reported.​
      Organized by local chapter of the Party for Socialism and Liberation (according to IndyStar)

  87. 87.

    Belafon

    June 12, 2025 at 3:59 pm

    @WaterGirl: Senators don’t generally have security.

  88. 88.

    jonas

    June 12, 2025 at 3:59 pm

    @George: Schumer’s my senator and Padilla represents most of my family back in CA, so you’d better believe this is a moment for him to step up and give us a little more Gavin Newsom (the righteous anger Gavin we’ve seen recently, at least) and a little less Susan Collins.

    No-one in the Trump administration gives a shit what I think, but our Dem Senators and reps do and Schumer will be hearing from me asking him to step up. No business in the Senate should go anyhere until this shit in LA stops and Noem answers for siccing her goons on a sitting US senator.

  89. 89.

    schrodingers_cat

    June 12, 2025 at 3:59 pm

    @Lobo: I hear you and will call my reps.

  90. 90.

    WaterGirl

    June 12, 2025 at 4:00 pm

    @NeenerNeener:

    I wish I could paste the news article but this little box won’t let me and the email I got doesn’t have a link.

    Feel free to forward the email and I can share the info here.

  91. 91.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    June 12, 2025 at 4:01 pm

    Holy cow. Padilla is chair of the Subcommittee on Immigration, Citizenship, and Border safety. Is it possible the Secretary for DHS doesn’t know who he is?

  92. 92.

    PatD

    June 12, 2025 at 4:01 pm

    @Trollhattan: Yes, that’s someone who’s trying to shape the narrative. And it happens to be true.

  93. 93.

    jonas

    June 12, 2025 at 4:01 pm

    @Citizen Dave:  I flew out of MSP yesterday and in the TSA line looked up and saw a loop of Noem going on about something.

    If it’s the same one I saw recently, it’s reminding people to get a Real ID driver’s license, which 90% of the country is still clueless about. Just looking at her makes me queesy knowing what a horrible human being she is.

  94. 94.

    jonas

    June 12, 2025 at 4:03 pm

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: Is it possible the Secretary for DHS doesn’t know who he is?

    Entirely. It’s not like she was nominated because she was qualified for the job or knew the first damn thing about national security.

  95. 95.

    scav

    June 12, 2025 at 4:03 pm

    Tom Lehrer always comes through.

    When someone makes a move
    Of which we don’t approve
    Who is it that always intervenes?
    U.N. and O.A.S
    They have their place, I guess
    But first – send the Marines!

    ….

    For might makes right
    And till they’ve seen the light
    They’ve got to be protected
    All their rights respected
    Till somebody we like can be elected

  96. 96.

    Redshift

    June 12, 2025 at 4:03 pm

    @NeenerNeener:

    What’s going on in LA right now is probably going to happen in NYC and Chicago, too, isn’t it?

    Seattle, Chicago, Philadelphia, Northern Virginia/D.C., and New York, according to ICE “unnamed sources.”

  97. 97.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    June 12, 2025 at 4:05 pm

    My guess is that the “moderate” (R) Senators like Suzie Furrowbrows, “Independents” like Murkowski will make the usual verbal admonishments about this to show their empathy and “concern” for the status of a fellow US Senator…then forget it when Hair Furor pushes this off the front page with something else.

    That being said, this might be a chance to actually make a dent in some (R) Senator’s bubble if one contacts the office and talks about this as an assault on another branch of the gubmint, threatens Senate independence, yada, yada, yada.

    Not that any of them will hold hearings or investigate anything but it’s probably the only angle a (D) constituent of one of them will ever have to get them to actually listen to a concern.

  98. 98.

    Citizen Dave

    June 12, 2025 at 4:05 pm

    @jonas: ​
      That makes sense. Agree about Noem–her visage is extremely odious to me. She spouts total bullshit without any expressions.

  99. 99.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 12, 2025 at 4:06 pm

    @WTFGhost: Now do decimate.

  100. 100.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    June 12, 2025 at 4:06 pm

    @jonas: Entirely. It’s not like she was nominated because she was qualified for the job or knew the first damn thing about national security.

    yes, she’s was nominated because she was an asshole who killed a dog for the hell of it.

  101. 101.

    Jackie

    June 12, 2025 at 4:07 pm

    @Lobo: I just watched my senator – Patty Murray – lambast FFOTUS directly from the Senate floor while noticeably fighting back tears of anger and shock that this was allowed to happen to Sen. Padilla by DHS Noem’s goons. From what I’ve seen on the news thus far, a fire has already definitely been lit; Democratic Senators are FURIOUS.

    I want to hear from republican senators! Do they condone or condemn this happening to a fellow senator?

    Your wrath shouldn’t be aimed at Democrats, your wrath needs to be directed to republican senators – especially if they are ok with what happened to Sen. Padilla.

  102. 102.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    June 12, 2025 at 4:11 pm

    I wonder how those 70+ House Dems who expressed gratitude to ICE last week feel now that Senator Padilla is being disappeared right on cable news.

    Maybe they’ll issue another statement.

    Sure, that’s another wrathful sentiment directed toward Dems. That’s cuz I expect shit from the other side so when our side tilts in that direction, they deserve our criticism and scorn.

  103. 103.

    George

    June 12, 2025 at 4:12 pm

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

     It also is as likely that the DHS secretary knows exactly who Padilla is. With the current administration, malice is as likely of an explanation as ineptitude, if not more so.

  104. 104.

    Trollhattan

    June 12, 2025 at 4:13 pm

    @Jackie:

    Rand Paul would probably prefer Free Market beatings and not have government taking away this vital service for itself.

  105. 105.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    June 12, 2025 at 4:14 pm

    @Trollhattan:

    In which case he should have applauded what his neighbor did to him.

    That’s Free Market Beatings at their finest!

    Oh wait, he can’t feel that way because I’m sure it’s “Free Market Beatings For Me but Not For Thee!”

  106. 106.

    lou

    June 12, 2025 at 4:15 pm

    @NeenerNeener: It’s a spoof. A very funny one.

  107. 107.

    George

    June 12, 2025 at 4:16 pm

    @comrade scotts agenda of rage:

     Yeah, well, under less strenuous circumstances, you might have a point. But these days, criticism of our allies simply leads to the general public believing that “both sides are the same.” Forget about the 70+ House Democrats and focus on the 215+ House Republicans.

  108. 108.

    dm

    June 12, 2025 at 4:16 pm

    I think Padilla should press charges. The California State Patrol is well equipped to handle assault and battery.

    State authorities should start treating DHS and ICE as a criminal racket until they start obeying court orders.

  109. 109.

    Trollhattan

    June 12, 2025 at 4:16 pm

    Liking this Chris Murphy fellow.

    https://x.com/BulwarkOnline/status/1933242892882964735

  110. 110.

    NeenerNeener

    June 12, 2025 at 4:17 pm

    @WaterGirl: ​
      Karen S actually had a link to the screen grab I had.

  111. 111.

    Jackie

    June 12, 2025 at 4:18 pm

    @NeenerNeener: Forward your email to one of the Front Pagers. Give them a heads up in the comments so they’ll look for it.

  112. 112.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    June 12, 2025 at 4:18 pm

    @dm: There are multiple videos of this event. The faces of the little punks shoving Padilla around are visible. I want them scared.

    I don’t know what costume Noem considered appropriate for the occasion.

  113. 113.

    NeenerNeener

    June 12, 2025 at 4:19 pm

    @lou: ​
      I’ll let the person who sent it to me know. They thought it was real, because Trump has paid people to attend his rallies before.

  114. 114.

    Shana

    June 12, 2025 at 4:20 pm

    This should get every elected Dem out on Saturday. Sadly it won’t. I think I’ll contact Warner and Kaine to see what they say about this.

  115. 115.

    WTFGhost

    June 12, 2025 at 4:23 pm

    @George: While I agree with the idea of “let’s not start shooting allies” there should be room for “Schumer, I hope like eff this isn’t going to be another strongly worded letter in response!” Frustrations remain, even after the battle is over, and, to be brutal, only the Hispanic Caucus seemed to really get the proper response, that there must be consequences, loudly announced, because you know Trump and Noem are going to performative-horror this to the hilt.

    (I’m sorry – my brain won’t come up with a better verb than “performative-horror”.)

    Plus, there was the ETA – this was someone coming into a bar, hearing the conversation, saying they hoped poor little shoo-shoo wasn’t going to send another LETTER, and then hearing he actually said something useful, and saying “okay, nm.”

    That said: I’m glad there’s some empathy for our side. (Adverb/adjectival form: empathic, just like they taught you in School House Rock for making adverbs from the other parts of language. There’s nothing pathetic about being empathic.) Yeah, Schumer, aka “little shoo-shoo” deserves some ribbing, but he did right here.

  116. 116.

    Another Scott

    June 12, 2025 at 4:24 pm

    @Shana:

    Warner’s comment on bsky.

    I don’t see anything there from Kaine yet.

    Best wishes,
    Scott.

  117. 117.

    Trollhattan

    June 12, 2025 at 4:25 pm

    Sorry to report Collins furrow level set merely to Swale.

    Wall Street Journal: “Sen. Susan Collins (R., Maine) called what she had seen very disturbing”

  118. 118.

    Martin

    June 12, 2025 at 4:28 pm

    ICE is currently in my city. It looks likely that they are going to sweep UC and possibly CSU commencement ceremonies. Spread the word.

  119. 119.

    Chief Oshkosh

    June 12, 2025 at 4:29 pm

    @Citizen Dave: I find those videos almost unnerving. She looks evil AND bug nuts crazy. And it’s all on a loop over and over and over…

  120. 120.

    Betty Cracker

    June 12, 2025 at 4:30 pm

    Maxwell Frost (D-FL) just posted a video clip of he and colleagues on their way to Senator Thune’s office.

  121. 121.

    Martin

    June 12, 2025 at 4:30 pm

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: He’s not chair (Republican Senate), he’s ranking member.

  122. 122.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 12, 2025 at 4:30 pm

    I just called Ron Johnson’s office and left a message that no Senate  business should go forward until the Senate gets answers about this.  Baldwin is next.

    ETA: Baldwin done.

  123. 123.

    Betty Cracker

    June 12, 2025 at 4:32 pm

    The Puppy Slayer has thoughts about the No Kings rallies:

    With more than 1,900 protests and events denouncing the Trump administration’s actions planned nationwide Saturday, the Homeland Security Department is assessing this weekend’s “threat levels” in cities across the country and pre-deploying assets to “prevent any kind of violence from being perpetuated,” Noem said.

    Source: CNN

  124. 124.

    Bill Arnold

    June 12, 2025 at 4:32 pm

    @NeenerNeener:
    Here’s the Snopes work on progress on that. They don’t rate it, yet. (The advert itself is real.)
    Breaking down Craigslist ad seeking seat fillers on day of Trump’s DC parade – A Craigslist ad attributed to “T-Mellon Events” made the rounds on social media ahead of a military parade on the president’s birthday. (Snopes, Megan Loe, June 12, 2025)

  125. 125.

    Josie

    June 12, 2025 at 4:33 pm

    Called both of my (Texas) senators, for all the good it will do.Neither one is answering phones. Left a recording.Total cowards.

  126. 126.

    O. Felix Culpa

    June 12, 2025 at 4:34 pm

    @George:

    Forget about the 70+ House Democrats and focus on the 215+ House Republicans.

    QFT.

  127. 127.

    Chief Oshkosh

    June 12, 2025 at 4:35 pm

    @Martin: ICE really is trying to incite violence. Graduations are events full of emotion, and they are usually wonderful, proud events for families. Fucking with that will sadly probably get the response ICE wants.

  128. 128.

    geg6

    June 12, 2025 at 4:35 pm

    @Jeffro:

    Terry Moran is going to Substack.  I’ll be interested to see what he says now that he’s free of those cowards at ABC.

  129. 129.

    Dan B

    June 12, 2025 at 4:35 pm

    @Jackie:  Patty has caught fire.  Hood for her!

  130. 130.

    Jackie

    June 12, 2025 at 4:37 pm

    Fingers crossed! Thunderstorms are FFOTUS’s go-to to cancel events he thinks will be sparsely attended:

    How thunderstorms could disrupt the massive Army parade in D.C.

    Lightning could pose a danger for the large crowds expected Saturday on the National Mall.

    gift link https://wapo.st/402GJCK

  131. 131.

    WaterGirl

    June 12, 2025 at 4:37 pm

    @Belafon: Looks like they need to start having security.

  132. 132.

    Ksmiami06

    June 12, 2025 at 4:38 pm

    @Martin: slash their fucking tires

  133. 133.

    prostratedragon

    June 12, 2025 at 4:39 pm

    @Kelly:  The guy who ordered his people to attack Sen. Padilla is from El Centro.

    El Centro Border Patrol Chief Bovino, a known Qanon & MAGA, ordered his Border Patrol agents to assault a sitting senator of the US Congress. FBI also assaulted the senator as well. All these agents must be arrested. They must be held accountable for attacking our senator.

  134. 134.

    O. Felix Culpa

    June 12, 2025 at 4:39 pm

    @Ksmiami06: You go first. Show us how it’s done.

  135. 135.

    Matt McIrvin

    June 12, 2025 at 4:41 pm

    @Betty Cracker: That’s a lot of grandmas to beat up. How many goons have they got? Do they even have enough tactical hoodies and neck gaiters for all of them?

  136. 136.

    Dan B

    June 12, 2025 at 4:41 pm

    @Dan B: Hood = Good

  137. 137.

    Bill Arnold

    June 12, 2025 at 4:41 pm

    @BarcaChicago:

    Interesting that TPM site is down. And yes, I’m fully paranoid at this point.

    Big cloudflare problems today (from various complaints on work slack). (Might be related.)
    https://www.cloudflarestatus.com/

    Update – Cloudflare’s critical Workers KV service went offline due to an outage of a 3rd party service that is a key dependency. As a result, certain Cloudflare products that rely on KV service to store and disseminate information are unavailable including:

  138. 138.

    WV Blondie

    June 12, 2025 at 4:41 pm

    @WaterGirl: Here’s the link to the actual Craigslist ad: washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/tlg/d/washington-seat-fillers-needed-june/7857143452.html

    I’ve been trying to get MSM to cover this all day!

  139. 139.

    Martin

    June 12, 2025 at 4:41 pm

    @WaterGirl: Security won’t get in front of law enforcement unless Congress gets their own US Marshal equivalent that answers only to Congress. And even then, they’re going to answer to Speaker Johnson who isn’t going to allow them to stand in front of executive branch law enforcement.

  140. 140.

    Martin

    June 12, 2025 at 4:42 pm

    @Ksmiami06: People are on it.

  141. 141.

    Kelly

    June 12, 2025 at 4:43 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: I just did the same with Wyden and Merkley

  142. 142.

    la caterina

    June 12, 2025 at 4:44 pm

    @Lobo: Got it.  Will use the list at the link in my calls to my Reps.

  143. 143.

    Gretchen

    June 12, 2025 at 4:45 pm

    TPM is back up.

  144. 144.

    West of the Rockies

    June 12, 2025 at 4:45 pm

    I think this incident becomes a dirty bomb for the fascist regime, metaphorically speaking.  The optics are such that even non-political viewers will see it and be appalled.  It will blow up in the regime’s smug faces.

  145. 145.

    HeleninEire

    June 12, 2025 at 4:45 pm

    I don’t know Padilla at all so I am pulling this theory out of my ass…but:

    I think this went exactly as he wanted. He was looking for good trouble and he used Trump’s tactics; but Trump failed.

    Trump sent the National Guard and the Marines into LA to stoke violence by the protesters. Unfortunately for him, the violence it stoked was not from the protesters but from the LAPD and DHS.

    Padilla immediately announced his name and clearly said he was a US Senator. He was loud and obnoxious.  He was trying to provoke DHS. And it worked. Like a charm.

    As I said, I am pulling this theory out of my ass…but I’m relatively confident that I am correct.

  146. 146.

    Harrison Wesley

    June 12, 2025 at 4:46 pm

    @Betty Cracker: A friend texted me earlier that the Pudding Molester has given the okeydoke to drivers who feel ‘threatened’ by protesters to run them over. Fuck that. I’m going to the Sarasota demonstration on Saturday anyway. At least I can splash some art deco on Custis Lee’s monster truck when he mows me down.

  147. 147.

    Kelly

    June 12, 2025 at 4:46 pm

    @prostratedragon: I think I can settle on malicious

  148. 148.

    Martin

    June 12, 2025 at 4:47 pm

    @West of the Rockies: I wouldn’t count on that.

  149. 149.

    Kelly

    June 12, 2025 at 4:48 pm

    @HeleninEire: His well calibrated resistance supports you assessment

  150. 150.

    NaijaGal

    June 12, 2025 at 4:48 pm

    This is my senator.  I can’t believe it.

    Reactions from Republicans include:

    Republicans, meanwhile, criticized Padilla over the episode.
    “Padilla didn’t want answers; he wanted attention,” White House spokesperson Abigail Jackson said. “Padilla embarrassed himself and his constituents with this immature, theater-kid stunt.”
    Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said that what his Democratic colleague “ought to be doing, in my view, is making sure that we have rational immigration policy. And Sen. Padilla, who’s a nice man, sat on the sidelines for four years, watch the border completely be blown apart.”

  151. 151.

    NaijaGal

    June 12, 2025 at 4:49 pm

    @Lobo: ​
     
    I hear you. I will call.

  152. 152.

    NutmegAgain

    June 12, 2025 at 4:49 pm

    I turned on the TV for the dog (no, really) and good to see that MSNBC at least is covering this. Many Dem senators on, saying the obvious, and asking why the fuck don’t any Repubs speak out against this.

  153. 153.

    Marc

    June 12, 2025 at 4:50 pm

    @Martin: I just happened to catch what was clearly a small transport (unmarked 19 seat military Beechcraft) supporting DHS missions on the way out of Oaktown International.  Flight data sites show that it started out in DC and has been shuttling all over southern, central, and northern CA for the past few days.  The other clue is that they turned off ADS-B as soon as they climbed above 5000 ft. They’re here…

  154. 154.

    Harrison Wesley

    June 12, 2025 at 4:50 pm

    @Karen S.: And those good people will have earned every penny of it.

  155. 155.

    Craig

    June 12, 2025 at 4:51 pm

    In his citadel Vlad sits laughing at what he has wrought.

  156. 156.

    Bill Arnold

    June 12, 2025 at 4:53 pm

    @Trollhattan:

    Sorry to report Collins furrow level set merely to Swale.

    Sheesh. Just once, could she maybe summon up “moat filled with large alligators”?

  157. 157.

    Harrison Wesley

    June 12, 2025 at 4:55 pm

    @Trollhattan: Like fucking magnets, right? If Cali sucks so much, why doesn’t he give it back to Mexico?

  158. 158.

    Jackie

    June 12, 2025 at 4:55 pm

    BettyCracker, did you see this? In anticipation of this Sat’s No Kings protests, DeSantis has given drivers behind the wheel of their car PERMISSION to run over pedestrian protesters.

    Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has said Floridians have a right to hit protesters with their car if they need to “flee for your safety.”

    DeSantis was speaking on The Rubin Report on Wednesday when he said: “We also have a policy that if you’re driving on one of those streets and a mob comes and surrounds your vehicle, and threatens you, you have a right to flee for your safety.

    “And so if you drive off and you hit one of these people, that’s their fault for impinging on you.”

    DeSantis’ comments come ahead of the “No Kings” protests planned for June 14. Protest organizers have said the demonstrations are non-violent and are providing deescalation training to people taking part.

    A court in 2017 found that driving a car into a protest was not an act of self-defense, as James Alex Fields Jr., was found guilty of murder for hitting and killing civil rights activist Heather Heyer, a counter-protester at the Unite the Right Rally in 2017. Now, the governor of Florida is telling people they have a right to hit protesters with their car if they feel attacked.

    https://www.newsweek.com/ron-desantis-says-floridians-have-right-hit-protesters-cars-2084418

  159. 159.

    Kelly

    June 12, 2025 at 4:56 pm

    I now think Padilla and Noem each got what they wanted. Noem is to deep in right wing bubble to realize how bad it looks to normal people

  160. 160.

    prostratedragon

    June 12, 2025 at 4:56 pm

    @NeenerNeener:

    I mentioned that in an overnight post and called it “alleged,” since it seemed to good to be true. Snopes has checked it out, and it’s a real listing. The question is whether it’s by those named — possibly Timothy Mellon and the LLC that sells that guy’s meme coins — or pranksters. They’ve denied it, but 1) they lie a lot, and 2) there’s a long history of tactical ineptitude there.

  161. 161.

    oldgold

    June 12, 2025 at 4:56 pm

    The assault and battery was beyond awful, but this statement by Noem may have been worse.

    “DHS is staying here to liberate this city from the socialist and the burdensome leadership that this governor and this mayor have placed on this country and what they have tried to insert into this city.”

    SAY WHAT?!?!

  162. 162.

    Steve LaBonne

    June 12, 2025 at 4:58 pm

    @NaijaGal: They lie relentlessly and shamelessly about everything. Right now they’re busy lying about what happened to Sen. Padilla when everyone can see a video of how it actually went down. They know their Faux Nooze watching base will never see the whole video.

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    Steve LaBonne

    June 12, 2025 at 5:00 pm

    @oldgold: I’m so old I remember when Republicans, including the dog murderer, were constantly yelling about states’ rights.

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    West of the Rockies

    June 12, 2025 at 5:01 pm

    @Harrison Wesley:

    Stay safe, dude.  Loud, but safe.

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    Gloria DryGarden

    June 12, 2025 at 5:02 pm

    @Ksmiami06: you’re inciting people to violence. Fantasize what you want.

    But actual violence , were we to commit some, is criminal and also it plays into their lies about us being violent, about all this military being necessary. They want an excuse. Don’t give it to them.

    if you plan some heinous thing, don’t tell us, and don’t do it during protests.

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    Karen S.

    June 12, 2025 at 5:15 pm

    @Harrison Wesley: That’s if they actually get paid. At least they’ll get a free fast food meal.

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    Ksmiami06

    June 12, 2025 at 5:16 pm

    @Gloria DryGarden: oh ffs. The only violence is on their side. But I can tell you that our side is not prepared

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    oldgold

    June 12, 2025 at 5:18 pm

     

    @Steve LaBonne: Noem is in essence claiming the authority to liberate a city and state from its duly elected government.

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    Omnes Omnibus

    June 12, 2025 at 5:23 pm

    @Ksmiami06: I do wonder if you are actually on our side or if you just want to watch stuff burn.  All due respect, etc.

  170. 170.

    Elizabelle

    June 12, 2025 at 5:24 pm

    @Betty Cracker:  The post is not complete without displaying how the FTF NY Times — the paper of record — first noted this incident.

    Senator Alex Padilla of California abruptly interrupted the news conference by Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem.  He yelled out that he had “questions for the secretary,” and was promptly escorted out by security.

    Reporter was Sonia A. Rao. Talk about access journalism!  Kevin Kruse pointed out how the NY Times is already minimizing the incident.

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    Jeffro

    June 12, 2025 at 5:25 pm

    @Belafon: I copied it directly from, of all places, Fox News

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    Mai Naem mobile

    June 12, 2025 at 5:26 pm

    My eyes can’t look away from Noem’s lips. If she had any more botox in her lips she could pull off a being a beef steak tomato for Halloween  just with her lips.

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    Marc

    June 12, 2025 at 5:27 pm

    @Gloria DryGarden:  They want an excuse. Don’t give it to them.

    I suspect it really doesn’t matter any more what people do or say, it looks like the show has already started for us.  I don’t necessarily think DHS will try anything during the main protest Saturday, but in the evening I expect we’ll see them out there “protecting federal property”.  Followed by widespread raids Sunday and Monday.​

  174. 174.

    jackmac

    June 12, 2025 at 5:27 pm

    @NeenerNeener: There are unconfirmed reports of an ICE presence in Chicago and Mayor Brandon Johnson has called on citizens to “rise up” against ICE.

    In the meantime, there was an apparent ICE raid today in Rockford, Illinois, some 90 miles northwest of Chicago.  Rockford officials said local police were not informed of any ICE or DHS presence.

    Local authorities confirmed some kind of activity, but it was not that of the city of Rockford, Winnebago County or Illinois State Police.
    “We cannot tell you it was not ICE,” (Rockford mayor Tom) McNamara said. “We are going to continue to find out who was in our community, but as you may be aware … some federal agencies including ICE have not been communicating with local law enforcement.”

  175. 175.

    Harrison Wesley

    June 12, 2025 at 5:29 pm

    @Karen S.: Unlike the California National Guard…..

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    Ruckus

    June 12, 2025 at 5:32 pm

    @blindyone:

    I was born in Queen of Angels hospital 76 yrs ago. I worked at and then owned a business in Los Angeles, I got paid by the US government for 3 1/2 years in the USN (Vietnam ended or it would have been 4), I’ve traveled extensively in much of this world and have worked in 49 of the states (never been to Alaska) when I worked in professional sports. I’ve stood on Antartica. (posted this here before..) My point is that this is a big country, with a lot of people that most likely do not agree with most of the people on this blog.

    BUT.

    This concept that we are all drones (can’t think of a better word) who will follow any concept of this or any other shitforbrains level bullshit is coming to a head. I’ve seen reports that much of the country does not support this almost dictator in the highest office, who is so fucking stupid to call in federal troops and make every damn thing a hell of a lot worse. A senator taken down and arrested when this had not escalated anywhere near a riot is pure bullshit. Now I’m sure he’s going to get support from some in this country as having done the right thing, but that is bullshit as well. It was a peaceful protest till shitforbrains jumped in where he didn’t belong. Yes people were protesting. Peacefully. We supposedly have that right. But not in shitforbrains world.

  177. 177.

    Elizabelle

    June 12, 2025 at 5:32 pm

    @Mai Naem mobile:  You are too kind.

    I heard an expression years ago, and yes it is misogynistic.  But fits Kristi Noem.

    “She looks like she could suck the chrome off a Cadillac.”

  178. 178.

    FastEdD

    June 12, 2025 at 5:33 pm

    I DO know Senator Padilla and he is not an attention seeker. If a US Senator, in his home town, is asking questions why his constituents are being assaulted and he is assaulted himself, that in itself is an answer.

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    AM in NC

    June 12, 2025 at 5:35 pm

    @Lobo:  oh I will be out this weekend, and I just had 15 minutes before meeting a friend for a walk, so I stood with my sign at a busy intersection.

  180. 180.

    NutmegAgain

    June 12, 2025 at 5:36 pm

    @Elizabelle: I saw that too. At least WAPO has the coverage above the fold. “Sen. Padilla forcibly removed” is better. I mean, think they should have gigantic black headlines, but I’m just an ordinary citizen & anti-fascist.

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    Betty

    June 12, 2025 at 5:40 pm

    @Kelly: She should know him because of the committee he serves on which addresses immigration. She apparently has met with the committee more than once.

  182. 182.

    Ksmiami06

    June 12, 2025 at 5:41 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: I just do not want to live in a country that tolerates fascism.  It has been creeping in for years and here we are

  183. 183.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 12, 2025 at 5:45 pm

    @Ksmiami06: Right, because the rest of obviously do want that.  I thought you were moving to Italy (no fascism there).

  184. 184.

    Ruckus

    June 12, 2025 at 5:46 pm

    @AM in NC:

    This is why I closed my twitter/x account. I had an account for a long time, but left when elon bought it. I figured it would become a full dumpster fire fast and it seems I’m not wrong.

    Conservatives in this country want to go back in time before most of us old farts were born, and likely before any of them were hatched. They want the world they’ve always wanted – prior to our countries founding and all that constitution stuff has happened, you know like before people with too much melatonin were considered human beings and actual citizens and when you had to be able to purchase your rights, not have them given to you at birth.

  185. 185.

    Professor Bigfoot

    June 12, 2025 at 5:48 pm

    @Ksmiami06: This country was a “police state” for Black people since before the Founding.

    You can’t live in a country that tolerates fascism?

    What was Jim Crow but “fascism” directed entirely at Black people?

    You’re ready to commit violent crimes, knowing that the cops will jump on Black people first.

    Yeah, whatever.

  186. 186.

    Gloria DryGarden

    June 12, 2025 at 5:48 pm

    I read on bsky, the security people should have known who he was.

    Security ought to have known Padilla

  187. 187.

    Ruckus

    June 12, 2025 at 5:52 pm

    @Another Scott:

    Politico queried 50 people, and for 43 of them, the allure of alternate weekend plans was more compelling.

    The alternate plan of sitting at home is more compelling.

    More compelling than that might be to protest. I’m sure that there will be significant numbers doing just that. Especially here in SoCal. And of course more is always better.

  188. 188.

    Gloria DryGarden

    June 12, 2025 at 5:54 pm

    Every time I eat, I need to stop and thank the people, often immigrants, who grew and harvested the food I’m eating.

  189. 189.

    Elizabelle

    June 12, 2025 at 5:58 pm

    More from ace Vichy Times reporter Sonia A. Rao.  My god, she is a moron.  It is what she doesn’t say.

    On Saturday, protesters are planning rallies as part of the “No Kings” movement, which opposes the Trump administration. A military parade is also planned for that day in Washington to celebrate the Army’s 250th birthday.

    We protest what the Trump administration is doing.  And the Army would not be doing a Soviet May Day style parade that is all about TRUMP.

    Maybe Rao is one of Peter Baker’s proteges.

  190. 190.

    satby

    June 12, 2025 at 6:03 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: He’s not. He believes and has said (at another blog) that those of us educated liberals need to be “exterminated”.

  191. 191.

    Mr. Bemused Senior

    June 12, 2025 at 6:04 pm

    @Elizabelle: I mentioned before, Bemused Senior fussed at me for years to cancel my FTFNYT subscription, which I finally did back in July, 2024.  They continue to provide ample justification.

  192. 192.

    Professor Bigfoot

    June 12, 2025 at 6:06 pm

    @satby: As I’m fond of saying to conservatives online, “yo, it’s clear you’re ready to kill for white supremacy. But are you also ready to die for it? Because some of y’all will not write your mama, trust and believe. And one of them could easily be you.”

  193. 193.

    Lobo

    June 12, 2025 at 6:28 pm

    @AM in NC:  As with anything, doing something in your own way helps.   Help in big or small, but do something.  Thanks.

  194. 194.

    Jackie

    June 12, 2025 at 6:37 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    A military parade is also planned for that day in Washington to celebrate the Army’s 250th birthday.

    We ALL KNOW damn well if the Army’s birthday wasn’t on June 14, FFOTUS would be holding the parade to “celebrate Flag Day and Betsy Ross.”

  195. 195.

    Elizabelle

    June 12, 2025 at 6:46 pm

    @Mr. Bemused Senior:  you and she were wise.

  196. 196.

    columbusqueen

    June 12, 2025 at 6:54 pm

    @Professor Bigfoot: Preach it, brother.

  197. 197.

    Uncle Cosmo

    June 13, 2025 at 10:05 am

    @…now I try to be amused: A tad o/t, but “storm troopers” kinda got an undeserved bad name after the Great War. In fact the original Sturmabteilungen were small groups of handpicked troops, very lightly armed, whose task was to penetrate the Allied lines as deeply and quickly as possible, bypassing fortified positions for the next wave of soldiers to reduce. Based on the Reichsheer‘s faith in the fighting qualities of their solders, this was the Germans’ answer to the conundrum of how to break through the front (whereas the Entente’s answer was a mechanical fix: the tank). And they were spectacula0rly successful in the German 1918 offensives.

    Funny thing though, it was the German soldiery that in the end doomed those offensives to fail: The troops had been on threadbare rations for so long (owing to the British naval blockade that kept foodstuffs from moving) that when they broke into the rear-echelon Allied supply dumps bulging with food and booze, the Krauts did what any self-respecting fighting force would do: THEY PARTIED!!! And in the time it took them to sober up and down the 1918-equivalent of Btono-Seltzer, the Allies managed to cobble together just enough defense (famously including US soldiers and Marines) to halt them short of Paris.

    All of which had fuck-all to do with the Nazi brownshirts of the same name, who were nothing much more than street-brawlers and thugs.

    (We now return you to your regular pogromming…)

  198. 198.

    Uncle Cosmo

    June 13, 2025 at 10:31 am

    @WTFGhost: The number of people involved didn’t grow “exponentially” from 300 to 6600 – the number of people changed by an order of magnitude, or went up by 2100%.​

    Since you want to be pedantic, an “order of magnitude” change up or down in a number is a change of +/-1 in the exponential expression. Presuming we’re still using base 10** that means a change by a factor of 10 up or down. 2100% is an increase by a factor of 21.

    You’re quite welcome!! ;^p

    ** And not, say, base 8, which per Dr Tom Lehrer (may his satire be eternally blessed) is just like base 10 – if you’re missing two fingers…

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    Uncle Cosmo

    June 13, 2025 at 11:10 am

    @Elizabelle: Replace “Cadillac” with “trailer hitch” and we’re back in my childhood…;^D​

  200. 200.

    Uncle Cosmo

    June 13, 2025 at 11:26 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: ​

    @Ksmiami06: I do wonder if you are actually on our side or if you just want to watch stuff burn.

    R U kidding? “BSMiasma-Oh-Sick” has been BJ’s resident Cosplay Stalinist since before the Boston Massacre, who’d be happy to see a bunch of Jackals murdered in the streets to fuel his imbecile fantasies.

    All due respect, etc.

    No respect due to that otherpeoplesbloodthirsty moron, Oh-Oh – you oughta know that by now.

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