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Late Night Open Threads

by John Cole|  June 13, 202511:50 pm| 39 Comments

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Sucked into Civ 7 and enjoying it.

I think a couple of snide comments in my previous post and the fact that I was curious to go anyway convinced me to go tomorrow. Texted the County chair to ask her where to meet her.

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    1. 1.

      Melancholy Jaques

      June 14, 2025 at 12:21 am

      I am not commenting to or about John Cole or anyone else. I read the comments in the earlier thread; it is always discouraging to see people hacking at each other.

      There are obviously as many reasons not to participate in public demonstrations as there are to participate. This is a decision that each of us must make for the person in the mirror.

      To the people who care about what’s going on who may be undecided about going tomorrow, I will only say that if you go, it is very likely that you will feel good for having done it.

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    2. 2.

      Ohio Mom

      June 14, 2025 at 12:28 am

      I enjoyed the protest back in April in part because I kept running into old friends, and in part because it was a happy crowd.

      I’m ambivalent about tomorrow because my feet have been cranky, I irritated my plantar fascia last week. And because I am in the middle of deep cleaning the kitchen and want to get on with it.

      But I am committed to showing up. I want our crowd to outnumber Trump’s.

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      Jackie

      June 14, 2025 at 12:28 am

      Reposting from dead thread: https://dianeravitch.net/

      Social media was ablaze yesterday and today with videos of ICE agents grabbing farm workers as they did their jobs in the fields and arriving at hotels and other places of employment to arrest undocumented workers.

      Trump must have been bombarded with calls from farmers and business owners, outraged that their long-time workers were seized. Who will pick the fruits and vegetables? Who will clean the hotel rooms? Who will staff the kitchen and bus tables?

      These were his supporters. They wanted the illegals deported, but not their workers. How would they function without their staff and their laborers?

      Trump heard them. Late Friday he issued an order to ICE to avoid farms, restaurants, hotels, and meat packing facilities.

      Maybe it suddenly occurred to him that removing the workforce from so many basic industries would be bad for the economy. Maybe Stephen Miller was out of town and turned off his cell phone.

      The New York Times reported on his sudden change of plans:

      The Trump administration has abruptly shifted the focus of its mass deportation campaign, telling Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials to largely pause raids and arrests in the agricultural industry, hotels and restaurants, according to an internal email and three U.S. officials with knowledge of the guidance.…

      Click the link above for more.

      Let’s see what FFOTUS says tomorrow – once Miller catches his ear.

      And, let’s see if Noem and Border Czar Homan acknowledge and follow Dear Leader’s directive.

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      Sister Inspired Revolver of Freedom

      June 14, 2025 at 12:32 am

      Maybe wave a sign about Reproductive Rights! 😠 In WV they’re under attack.

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    5. 5.

      Shalimar

      June 14, 2025 at 12:39 am

      @Jackie: They’re already failing to meet quotas and falling behind levels of deportations under Obama.  If they give up on agricultural, hotel, and restaurant workers then they might as well give up the entire anti-immigrant campaign.  I’m guessing Trump keeps listening to Miller since he really doesn’t care about this.

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    6. 6.

      Allen Henderson

      June 14, 2025 at 12:42 am

      Tomorrow me and my 9 year old are masking up and holding signs. Far from the last time.

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      prostratedragon

      June 14, 2025 at 12:49 am

      Reluctant to make the trip downtown unaccompanied and with uncertain return logistics, in my chair. Ready with my little flags if I do go, or there are sure to be other chances.

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      Marc

      June 14, 2025 at 12:51 am

      One of our neighbors was kind enough to invite the entire street (by going door to door) to a pre-protest potluck at her house.  Then those of us who want to walk over to the protest will do so.  Myself, wife, the kid, and several of their friends will be going.

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      Jackie

      June 14, 2025 at 12:51 am

      Veterans detained on Capitol Grounds:

      WASHINGTON (7News) — Dozens of people who took part in a protest held by veterans protesting the Army’s military parade on Saturday were detained on the U.S. Capitol Grounds after entering a barrier and running towards the steps of the U.S. Capitol building for what organizers said was a “staged sit-in.”

      A 7News photographer captured the moment when roughly 60 people entered through an opening in a barrier toward the steps of the Capitol shortly before 7 p.m. The group had just concluded a protest in front of the Supreme Court building and were preparing to take photos near the Capitol building when the incident occurred.

      Capitol Police closed off a barrier in front of the U.S. Capitol Building moments after the protesters wrapped up outside the Supreme Court building. Roughly 60 members of the group then pushed down a bike rack and crossed police lines while running towards the Rotunda steps, police officials said.

      7News cameras caught the moment officers standing behind another gate on the steps of the Capitol building detained several people, and pushed one woman down the steps.

      Shortly after, protestors sat down on the steps with signs that read “Veterans say military off our streets” and “Money for people, not parades.”

      Just moments before, the About Face Veterans held a protest calling for Congress and the Trump administration to stop deploying military forces on city streets in Los Angeles and D.C. They also highly criticized the Army’s 250th birthday parade set for Saturday.

      The rally included remarks from Army, Air Force, Marine, and National Guard veterans, according to the organization. The group said Friday evening’s actions were part of a planned sit-in on the U.S. Capitol steps.

      “We want a future where we invest in care for veterans, in health care, and in education, not where we spend $50 million on a parade,” said Brittany Ramos DeBarros, an Army combat veteran and Organizing Director of About Face: Veterans Against the War, in a statement to 7News.

      Many of those detained wore shirts that read “Veterans Against Fascism.”

      Capitol police said all 60 protesters will be charged with unlawful demonstration and crossing a police line. Some will be charged with assault on a police officer and resisting arrest, USCP officials said.

      For some reason I can’t get the post to link, but it’s from WJLA.com ABC7 news.

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    10. 10.

      mvr

      June 14, 2025 at 1:12 am

      We’re putting off leaving on vacation to protest here where we know a protest will actually occur rather than trying to hit some town along the way.

      I do expect it to get ugly somewhere given that the administration is set on provoking a crisis as a pretext for letting an old man feed his fantasies and his family’s economic ambitions as well as express their hatred of America.  I doubt it would happen here. But right now I think I’d go anyway even if I thought it might happen here.

      Partly I’m feeling old and expendable. Partly I think my parents dealt with so much worse in Europe in the 40s and they raised me to worry about this. Partly I’m pissed as hell. And partly I know that if we don’t push back now the need to push back later will be greater and yet less likely to be useful.

      So, glad Cole changed his mind.

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    11. 11.

      prostratedragon

      June 14, 2025 at 1:17 am

      @Jackie:

      Story and video from NBC.

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    12. 12.

      Redshift

      June 14, 2025 at 1:23 am

      Good for you, John! It’s good to stand up and be counted, and then if it rains or if you’ve had enough of other humans, you can bail whenever you want. You do what you can.

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      Redshift

      June 14, 2025 at 1:25 am

      @mvr: They was a report saying they’re expecting a quarter of a million in LA. I can’t decide if that makes it more or less likely they’ll try to start trouble there.

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      NotMax

      June 14, 2025 at 1:29 am

      Rough draft for a possible sign targeted to WV?

      JUSTICE IS NOT ONLY A SENATOR IT’S OUR RIGHT.

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      mvr

      June 14, 2025 at 1:32 am

      @Redshift: Probably not right in LA. Too on the nose and too likely to spin out of control for them.  But what do I know?

      I live in a blue medium sized city in a red state.  We’re not where the optics would work for them and our city folks would likely warn us if they had reason to be worried.

      But of course there are the independent vigilante wild cards to worry about as well.  I think that it is a bit early for that yet, but again, what do I know?

      I used to live in Portland, where things got pretty awful in 2020.  The cops there have always been somewhat racist and violent.  Pretty upsetting to watch all of that.

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      Omnes Omnibus

      June 14, 2025 at 1:33 am

      Just remember that not everyone can go to a protest. Some have other obligations that they must meet. Others have disabilities. Don’t judge someone’s commitment to democracy or this country by their attendance at any particular protest. And if you can’t do it for whatever reason, don’t let anyone make you feel bad about it.

      For those who can’t go, here are some good ways to contribute.

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      Marc

      June 14, 2025 at 1:35 am

      @Redshift: The trouble, if there is any, will likely start in the evening, after the bulk of the protestors have gone home and the cops decide it’s time for everyone else to leave.  At least, that’s the way it has worked up here in the past.

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      Buggrit

      June 14, 2025 at 1:38 am

      I just heard:  it is PISSING down rain in DC right now.

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    19. 19.

      NotMax

      June 14, 2025 at 1:44 am

      @Buggrit

      Turnabout is fair play. This time Stormy screws him.
      //

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      Redshift

      June 14, 2025 at 1:46 am

      @Omnes Omnibus:

      Don’t judge someone’s commitment to democracy or this country by their attendance at any particular protest. And if you can’t do it for whatever reason, don’t let anyone make you feel bad about it.

      Absolutely. It’s all about doing what you can, which is going to be different for different people, for various reasons. Being at the big events is cool and important if you can, but it’s not the only thing that helps move the needle.

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      YY_Sima Qian

      June 14, 2025 at 1:47 am

      WTF? All 4 are being made Lt. Cols. in the Army Reserve.

      Andrew Curran @AndrewCurran_

      Today the US Army launched Detachment 201, and have recruited senior tech executives to serve part-time in the Army Reserve as senior advisors. Joining are:
      Shyam Sankar – Palantir CTO
      Andrew Bosworth – Meta CTO
      Kevin Weil – OpenAI CPO
      Bob McGrew – Thinking Machines

      The Army’s Newest Recruits: Tech Execs From Meta, OpenAI and More
      Silicon Valley executives are joining a new innovation corps in Army Reserve
      By Heather Somerville
      Updated June 13, 2025 at 2:32 pm ET

      Giving them ranks seems like a bad idea.

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    22. 22.

      NotMax

      June 14, 2025 at 1:54 am

      @YY_Sima Qian

      Ordered to report to their local graft board?
      //

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      Darkrose

      June 14, 2025 at 2:06 am

      @Omnes Omnibus: THIS.

      Telesilla and I will not be going because of our physical and mental disabilities. There are many ways to resist and to show support for the resistance against fascism.

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      Marc

      June 14, 2025 at 2:17 am

      @YY_Sima Qian: A real bad idea.  Isn’t that basically their own complaint about China?

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      TS

      June 14, 2025 at 2:35 am

      @Buggrit: And may it continue for 40 days & 40 nights

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      prostratedragon

      June 14, 2025 at 3:14 am

      @TS:

      “Didn’t It Rain,” Mahalia Jackson

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      NotMax

      June 14, 2025 at 3:18 am

      Marine Band playing It’s Raining Men?
      :)

      Reply
    28. 28.

      prostratedragon

      June 14, 2025 at 3:21 am

      E. Jean Carroll case:

      In an 8-2 vote, the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Manhattan on Friday left intact its Dec. 30 decision by a three-judge panel upholding the jury award.

      Go @ejeancarroll.bsky.social!!

      https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-appeals-court-wont-reconsider-trumps-5-million-loss-e-jean-carroll-2025-06-13/

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      Nettoyeur

      June 14, 2025 at 3:55 am

      @Jackie: So who will ICE target instead?  Teenagers, mothers at home with small children? But if course, they are the families of the workers Trumps needs to protect to keep the MAGA bosses rich and happy.

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      eclare

      June 14, 2025 at 4:10 am

      @NotMax:

      Hahaha….

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      YY_Sima Qian

      June 14, 2025 at 4:30 am

      @Marc: Yes, “Civil-Military Fusion”, which was always a transparently disingenuous & hypocritical charge, given the history of the U.S. MIC, & DARPA/Silicon Valley.

      Reply
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      🐾BillinGlendaleCA

      June 14, 2025 at 4:32 am

      @Marc: Downtown LA is under a 8pm-6am curfew.

      Reply
    33. 33.

      The return of Mo Salad

      June 14, 2025 at 4:34 am

      https://bsky.app/profile/johnathanperk.bsky.social/post/3lrjcqlvwls2h

      Johnathan Perkins is an attorney out in LA currently trying to handle as many ICE abuse cases as he can.

      He has opened up his Venmo to help pay for interpreters.

      Please consider funding. I’ve sent my standard Ulysses.

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    34. 34.

      Don L

      June 14, 2025 at 4:54 am

      John, you probably won’t get to this, but I have the perfect game for you. Farming Simulator 2025. I have over a hundred hours in the past three weeks. I can’t stop playing. All those tractors! Putting in the crops and harvesting. It’s the most fun I’ve had since…well, I can’t remember. Banished, maybe? You should take a look at it. Four stars.

      I’m going to avoid Austin and Houston and stay local. If they call out the National Guard here, we’re deeply in trouble. My sign will say:

      1776 was a Protest against a King.

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      YY_Sima Qian

      June 14, 2025 at 4:56 am

      @NotMax: That’s a good one!

      Reply
    36. 36.

      Trivia Man

      June 14, 2025 at 8:21 am

      @prostratedragon: the beauty of wide spread protest is it can be done anywhere. I have seen several solo protests in the last few months. A sign a shirt with a slogan or even a us flag is sufficient to indicate intent.

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      Trivia Man

      June 14, 2025 at 8:23 am

      @Trivia Man: solo protests have a plus and minus – obviously more vulnerable to bad actors but also less vulnerable to organized bad actors.

      Reply
    38. 38.

      Trivia Man

      June 14, 2025 at 8:44 am

      @YY_Sima Qian: like the honorary Kentucky colonel tank. Gives a veneer of authority.

      Reply
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      Trivia Man

      June 14, 2025 at 8:46 am

      @Nettoyeur: i know their rank and file truly believe there are 10 million violent criminals collecting welfare, no idea how far up the party line that is believed but many are convinced. Probably a few of the dumb politicians like tuberville and johnson.

      Reply

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