Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Everything is totally normal and fine!!!

… riddled with inexplicable and elementary errors of law and fact

“The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits.”

Celebrate the fucking wins.

No one could have predicted…

If you still can’t see these things even now, maybe politics isn’t your forte and you should stop writing about it.

The willow is too close to the house.

Republicans don’t want a speaker to lead them; they want a hostage.

“Just close your eyes and kiss the girl and go where the tilt-a-whirl takes you.” ~OzarkHillbilly

DeSantis transforming Florida into 1930s Germany with gators and theme parks.

“Perhaps I should have considered other options.” (head-desk)

It is not hopeless, and we are not helpless.

Balloon Juice, where there is always someone who will say you’re doing it wrong.

That’s my take and I am available for criticism at this time.

Compromise? There is no middle ground between a firefighter and an arsonist.

Accountability, motherfuckers.

It’s easy to sit in safety and prescribe what other people should be doing.

The revolution will be supervised.

Optimism opens the door to great things.

There are no moderate republicans – only extremists and cowards.

The gop is a fucking disgrace.

A democracy can’t function when people can’t distinguish facts from lies.

The desire to stay informed is directly at odds with the need to not be constantly enraged.

Today’s gop: why go just far enough when too far is right there?

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BREAKING: A federal judge says Trump illegally deployed the National Guard to help with LA protests and must return control to California.

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— The Associated Press (@apnews.com) June 12, 2025 at 11:46 PM


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here we goooo

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— Schnorkles O'Bork (@schnorkles.bsky.social) June 12, 2025 at 9:02 PM


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Nevada Gov. Joe Lombardo has vetoed a bill that would have required voters in the swing state to show a photo ID at the polls.

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— The Associated Press (@apnews.com) June 12, 2025 at 9:30 PM


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BREAKING: The Supreme Court has revived a lawsuit from an Atlanta family whose home was wrongly raided by the FBI.

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— The Associated Press (@apnews.com) June 12, 2025 at 10:18 AM


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Boebert: What we’re seeing in LA is an insurrection
Pritzker: You don’t know understand what insurrection is. It is outrageous that you are asking that when you are the one condoning the pardoning of people that attacked police.

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— Acyn (@acyn.bsky.social) June 12, 2025 at 5:08 PM


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If only the national press corps would write this clearly & directly & honestly with no bothsides bullshit.
Props to the @chicago.suntimes.com
chicago.suntimes.com/illinois-gov…

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— Dana Houle (@danahoule.bsky.social) June 12, 2025 at 4:58 PM


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okay, fine, i will vote for gavin newsom for president
of shit talking

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— GOLIKEHELLMACHINE (@golikehellmachine.com) June 12, 2025 at 9:54 PM

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  3. 3.

    lowtechcyclist

    @Baud: ​
    Well dayum. I was hoping Newsom would be able to tell the National Guard to stand down today.

    ETA: Given that we’re talking about a possibly unconstitutional abuse of power, I’d have hoped that the Circuit would have erred on the side of letting Judge Breyer’s decision stand until they had a chance to take it up. Bummer.

  4. 4.

    Baud

    @lowtechcyclist:

    The delay isn’t great, but I’m not sure having a back and forth situation on chain of command is helpful either. I suppose the courts would love for this to end so they can declare the case moot.

  5. 5.

    lowtechcyclist

    @Baud:

    The delay isn’t great, but I’m not sure having a back and forth situation on chain of command is helpful either.

    True, but my thought is that the abuse of power issue should overrule that consideration.  But IANAL, I’m just this guy, you know?

    I suppose the courts would love for this to end so they can declare the case moot.

    Maybe that’ll happen in this particular instance, but they’ve got to know it’ll be back.  They might as well get it settled now.

  6. 6.

    prostratedragon

    Hmmm …

    Guess who was right in the thick of the assault on @padilla.senate.gov?

    Corey Lewandowski. (He may have been the guy instructing that there’s no recording at a press conference and seems to have realized how badly they fucked up.)

  7. 7.

    eclare

    There is a meeting of the national security council scheduled for 11 AM.  Nothing urgent, I’m sure, maybe FFOTUS can get in a quick 18 beforehand.

  11. 11.

    Baud

    Missouri Governor Mike Kehoe on Thursday declared a State of Emergency and activated the Missouri National Guard in anticipation of protests across the state – and in response to “civil unrest” across the country.

  12. 12.

    Scout211

    Wow. The news media is talking about “Democrats fighting back” and capturing the news media’s attention.

    NBC All week, officials in the Trump administration hailed the images of protests against their deportation campaign in Los Angeles, saying their opponents were playing right into their hands.

    But on Thursday, the administration was put on the defensive.
    A video of Sen. Alex Padilla, D-Calif., forced to the ground and handcuffed after he interrupted Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem at a news conference in Los Angeles on Thursday, immediately ricocheted across social media platforms and cable news, shifting the narrative to warnings about overreach by the White House.

    It capped a week when the Democratic Party seemed to finally find its voice, in ways big and small, to push back against the administration. From California Gov. Gavin Newsom’s questioning President Donald Trump’s acuity to Padilla’s move to interrupt Noem to mini-rebellions playing out at the nation’s capital, Democrats began to break the hold Trump usually has on the news cycle.

    . . .

    Last week, House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries, D-N.Y., told NBC News he was employing a flood-the-zone strategy with messaging and urging other members to do the same.

    . . .

    A strategist said the resistance to Trump was a necessity after the events in Los Angeles, which Democrats say are overreach by the administration.

    . . .

    At a hearing Thursday of the House Oversight Committee, where three Democratic governors of so-called sanctuary states were hauled before the panel, New York Gov. Kathy Hochul got salty at one point with Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga.

    “You stated that you’re a proud registered Democrat?” Greene asked.

    “Yes, I did,” Hochul shot back. “Is that illegal now, too, in your country?”

    At another point in the hearing, Rep. Maxwell Frost, D-Fla., interrupted and repeatedly asked whether Republicans would subpoena Noem. He irritated committee chair James Comer, R-Ky. to the point that Comer snapped: “Just shut up!”

    More at the link, including a typical bullshit response we have come to expect from TACO’s spokesgoon, Cheung.

  15. 15.

    TONYG

    @Baud: It’s all very interesting — but Donald Trump has been routinely ignoring court order for. almost five months now.

  16. 16.

    Scout211

    @prostratedragon:

    The Daily Beast (web archive version) is on it!

    Trumpworld Troublemaker Spotted Amid ICE Barbie’s Security Drama

    Corey Lewandowski, who is apparently working extremely closely with Kristi Noem at the moment, was spotted in footage from the dramatic scene at the Department of Homeland Security secretary’s Los Angeles press conference on Thursday.

    The chaos erupted when California Senator Alex Padilla was handcuffed and forcibly removed from the news conference, a move that Democrats slammed. Padilla said he was there “peacefully” and had raised his voice to ask a question before multiple agents pounced on him.

    In footage aired by NBC4 Los Angeles, Lewandowski is seen standing beside a handcuffed Padilla after the scuffle. He didn’t immediately return a request for comment.

    Lewandowski, a former Trump campaign chief, has been working as a close advisor to Noem, the Wall Street Journal reported in April. Designated a “special government employee,” he’s taken on a top role by her side and is often the only person to accompany her to meetings, sources told the Journal.

    Hmmmm. Seems sus, no?

    [bold added]

  18. 18.

    Betty Cracker

    @Scout211: Another item for the list via Axios (I know, ugh):

    Rep. John Mannion (D-N.Y.) shocked colleagues in both parties Thursday by tearing into Rep. Mike Lawler (R-N.Y.) in what sources described as a tense and profane confrontation over the forcible removal of Sen. Alex Padilla (D-Calif.).

    Why it matters: Lawmakers and aides who witnessed the Mannion-Lawler incident described it to Axios as the product of rising partisan tensions over the Trump administration’s use of legal and physical force against Democrats.

    “The temperature is rising in here. There’s a lot of unnecessary comments being thrown around, insinuations,” said Rep. Julie Johnson (D-Texas).

    “What we’re seeing with the actions of this administration is out of control, and Republicans aren’t doing anything to reign it in. Tempers are flaring.”

    What happened: As Lawler was speaking to Rep. Jimmy Panetta (D-Calif.) on the Democratic side of the floor, Mannion began shouting at his fellow New Yorker, multiple sources who saw the interaction told Axios.

    “Mannion stands up and just starts yelling at him for absolutely no reason but emotion about the atmosphere that we’re in right now,” said one House Democrat who was standing close by.

    The lawmaker said Mannion told Lawler “something to the effect of, ‘You’ve got to do something. Stand up. Grow a pair of balls.'”
    Lawler’s response, they said: “F*** you … I have no idea what you’re talking about.”

    The intrigue: Just before the vote, Mannion had a similar outburst during a press conference on the House steps regarding the Padilla incident.

    “We need you,” he shouted at the press. “We need you to hold them accountable. Media, it’s your country too.”

    “Don’t cover the distractions. Cover the actions that lead us towards authoritarianism, please.”

    What they’re saying: “I asked him to compel his colleagues to save the country and stop what the people of this country do not want … the defiance of law,” Mannion told Axios of his comments to Lawler.

    He added: “Mike Lawler and I served in the state legislature. He knows well enough.”

    Lawler said in a post on X: “John Mannion was entirely unhinged and unprofessional. That was a shameful display that exposed his complete lack of temperament.”

    “No wonder numerous staffers have previously alleged a toxic work environment. He should go seek help for anger management — and f*** off,” Lawler added.

  19. 19.

    Suzanne

    We need a lot of shit-talkers. Newsom can be useful in this regard. Appreciate Pritzker, too.

  21. 21.

    Scout211

    TACO seems to be concerned about the ICE raids now.  Did someone finally tell him that the service industry and farm workers aren’t criminals?

    President Donald Trump said he plans to make changes to his administration’s aggressive crackdown on illegal immigration to protect migrant farmers, hotel workers and others in the leisure industry who have been among those deported.

    Trump promised the changes in a June 12 Truth Social post that acknowledged Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers have expanded arrests beyond just migrants convicted of violent crimes, who Trump officials have said are the primary targets of raids and deportations.

    “Our great Farmers and people in the Hotel and Leisure business have been stating that our very aggressive policy on immigration is taking very good, long time workers away from them, with those jobs being almost impossible to replace,” Trump wrote on the social media platform he owns.

    Did he lose too many service workers on his properties? Who will serve him his hamberders? It’s a crisis!

  22. 22.

    lowtechcyclist

    @Betty Cracker: ​
     

    He should go seek help for anger management — and f*** off,” Lawler added.

    You know what would help with anger management, Rep. Lawler? If this Administration stayed within the law. And if Republicans in Congress did something about it when he overstepped its bounds.

    Until then, damn right we’re angry. And we have every fucking right to be angry. At you, among others.

  26. 26.

    Kosh III

    Pritzker/AOC  2028
    Newsome/Buttigieg 2028
    Beshear/Pritzker 2028
    Sane/Competent 2028

    Trump want to Putinize the country and make us a Russian vassal.

  27. 27.

    Shalimar

    @Scout211: he’s taken on a top role by her side and is often the only person to accompany her

    So he hasn’t lost her to a threesome with Musk yet.

  28. 28.

    Dangerman

    Short list of things for which I am thanful.

    Filled up the gas tank on way to Dentist.

    Two teeth extracted with minimal pain.

    That’s all I got right now.

  29. 29.

    Suzanne

    @Shalimar: Katie Miller leaving Stephen Miller to become an Elon Musk broodmare…. I simply can’t fathom this person. Absolutely cooked.

  30. 30.

    Baud

    @Dangerman:

    It’s 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it’s dark, and we’re wearing sunglasses

     

    You’ve already got the tank of gas.

  31. 31.

    lowtechcyclist

    @Scout211: ​

    Trump promised the changes in a June 12 Truth Social post that acknowledged Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers have expanded arrests beyond just migrants convicted of violent crimes, who Trump officials have said are the primary targets of raids and deportations.

    I’m sure he’ll be sending a plane down to El Salvador right away to retrieve all the people that ICE rounded up and sent there that haven’t been convicted of anything worse than a traffic ticket. And I’m sure a rich uncle I’ve never heard of will die and leave me fifty million dollars.

  33. 33.

    Shalimar

    @Suzanne: I’m just surprised that Elon Musk considers Jews to be white people he can repopulate the earth with.  Most white supremacists don’t.

  36. 36.

    satby

    NBC still both sides it though: “which Democrats say are overreach by the administration.” Not really any observable threat to democracy, the Democrats just claim it is.

  37. 37.

    Matt McIrvin

    @Baud: I noticed that a lot of the news stories seem to be spinning the stay as a big win for Trump. I guess in the immediate short term it is.

  38. 38.

    Suzanne

    @Shalimar: There’s a set of gross people on Xhitter, so of course Elon reads them….. anyway, they are big fans of Jewish people and support Israel’s actions in Gaza because Jewish people supposedly have a high average IQ.

  39. 39.

    O. Felix Culpa

    @satby:

    Yeah, that “which Democrats say” line leapt out at me too. The MSM favors that technique. A lot.

  43. 43.

    lowtechcyclist

    @Matt McIrvin:

    I noticed that a lot of the news stories seem to be spinning the stay as a big win for Trump. I guess in the immediate short term it is.

    It does give his minions more time to stir shit up out in L.A. and get someone to respond in a way that would be an excuse for further escalation.  I’m pretty nervous about that, so yeah.

  45. 45.

    Matt McIrvin

    @Suzanne: The head-calipers type of philosemitism is just a millimeter away from antisemitism anyway and can morph into it at a moment’s notice.

  46. 46.

    lowtechcyclist

    @NotMax: ​

    A temporary stay is S.O.P. Hardly unexpected nor unusual.

    Under normal circumstances, I’d agree. But the District Court ruled that this was an unconstitutional abuse of power. Seems to this nonlawyer like they ought to put the alleged abuse of power on hold until they’ve ascertained that it’s Constitutional, rather than the other way around.

  49. 49.

    Betty Cracker

    So, I can’t convince Bill to hold a sign at the protest tomorrow — offered to make a custom sign with any slogan he chose! But he’ll be there in all his baseball cap and cargo shorts-wearing white dude glory, an example for all to see. ;-)

  51. 51.

    Harrison Wesley

    Brevard County sheriff here in Florida has warned ‘rioters’ that his forces will shoot to kill.  Nice touch.

  53. 53.

    Spanky

    @Suzanne:

     Katie Miller leaving Stephen Miller to become an Elon Musk broodmare…. I simply can’t fathom this person. Absolutely cooked. 

    In these times I can’t tell which of the three you’re referring to. They’re all unfathomable.

  58. 58.

    Scout211

    @satby: Nice choices!  I’d vote for #2 because it is even more relevant right now than “No Kings.”  Plus, it will stand out among all the “No Kings” signs and shirts.

    Just my two cents. But both are great.

  61. 61.

    Suzanne

    @Betty Cracker: Mr. Suzanne also doesn’t want to do a sign. He says, “I’m not a sign guy”. WHATEVER.

    I think I am going to go with MAKE FASCISM HISTORY AGAIN.

    I also considered NOW YOU’VE PISSED OFF THE CRINGE RESISTANCE SHIT-LIB WINE MOMS.

  62. 62.

    satby

    @Scout211: actually the one I am wearing, because I have to work at my friend’s booth that morning. And no one will say squat about it, because he’s an immigrant from Britain.

    Edit: I’m a big fan of Pavlovitz design stuff, I also own this one for my rotation of Pride month shirts.

  63. 63.

    Spanky

    The other thing about the court order and the stay is that the NG aren’t drones. Any wiff of an illegal order at this point will be met with “sorry, no can do”, knowing that no one will back them up at this point.

    I’m glad I’m not the commanding officer that would be squeezed in that situation, though.

  64. 64.

    narya

    @Suzanne: He started young, apparently. You know you’re evil when your family goes out of its way to denounce you–no sidling away, no “no comment,” outright denunciation.

    Also, much as it pains me, shoutout to Newsom. Was also entertained when someone asked about the “Newscum” from Mango Mussolini and Newsom said yeah, this guy in 8th grade called me that, so I’ve heard it before.

    I have a beer 5k both Saturday and Sunday, but I think I’m gonna craft a “no kings” t-shirt to wear.

  65. 65.

    Scout211

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: Why is she wearing a  hat?

    She consulted with her wardrobe stylist and they concocted a whole look that will reflect her DHS persona of bad ass immigrant hating nasty person.  Guns are optional in this style, but always at the ready.

  71. 71.

    Suzanne

    @narya: So, on Newsom….. I came to the conclusion a few years ago that I don’t have to like these people to find them useful. That’s how I feel about Newsom. (It’s also how I feel about Sanders.)

    I also think that our side used to have a lot more funny and open energy, and that was attractive to people. So, when any of them exhibit that, I think it’s good for our side.

  74. 74.

    satby

    @eclare: well, we’re in for a long hot summer not unlike 1968 (my first year of protests) I’m betting. So I needed something to wear 😉

  76. 76.

    TONYG

    @Baud: I’m curious what percentage of the military officers and rank and file troops actually support this bullshit, as opposed to reluctantly following orders.  I guess we’ll find out soon.

  78. 78.

    Spanky

    Here’s a couple of data points this morning:

    From a Reuters article titled

    US stock futures fall as Israel’s attack on Iran hurts risk appetite

    (No shit, Sherlock) comes this inevitable bit of info:

    Oil prices surged nearly 9% and U.S. energy stocks rose in tandem, with Chevron ( CVX ) and Exxon advancing 3.1% and 3.5% in premarket trading.

    …

    At 07:06 a.m. ET, Dow E-minis were down 430 points, or 1%, S&P 500 E-minis were down 55.25 points, or 0.91%, and Nasdaq 100 E-minis were down 245 points, or 1.12%.

  79. 79.

    NotMax

    @satby

    Sadly, my days of extended standing (much less marching) are in soft sepia focus in the rear view mirror.

    But shall be with you in spirit.

  82. 82.

    Spanky

    @TONYG: Yeah, but he’ll look like he’s 60 until he’s 120, according to the Kissinger Rule, which I just made up.

  89. 89.

    Jeffro

    This was not a popular administration to begin with, and they’ve already started tanking what popularity they had left.

    I support a Democratic Party that is getting better every day at speaking up and speaking out a la Pritzker, Crockett, Raskin, Newsom, AOC, Padilla, Frost.  Plus, oh, tens of millions of us on the ground. ;)

  90. 90.

    Betty Cracker

    So, the orange fart cloud posted this bizarre screed on his shitty social media site a few hours ago:

    I gave Iran chance after chance to make a deal. I told them, in the strongest of words, to “just do it,” but no matter how hard they tried, no matter how close they got, they just couldn’t get it done. I told them it would be much worse than anything they know, anticipated, or were told, that the United States makes the best and most lethal military equipment anywhere in the World, BY FAR, and that Israel has a lot of it, with much more to come – And they know how to use it. Certain Iranian hardliner’s spoke bravely, but they didn’t know what was about to happen. They are all DEAD now, and it will only get worse! There has already been great death and destruction, but there is still time to make this slaughter, with the next already planned attacks being even more brutal, come to an end. Iran must make a deal, before there is nothing left, and save what was once known as the Iranian Empire. No more death, no more destruction, JUST DO IT, BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE. God Bless You All!

    To recap, He Who Alone Can Fix It has now presided over escalations in Russia’s reinvasion of Ukraine, Israel’s wholesale destruction in Gaza and now Israel’s attack on Iran. It’s almost like no one cares what that asshole thinks.

  92. 92.

    Baud

    @Jeffro:

    This was not a popular administration to begin with, and they’ve already started tanking what popularity they had left.

     

    And most people haven’t really been hit economically yet, thanks to the strength of the Biden economy and TACO.

  95. 95.

    Jeffro

    @Betty Cracker: me, imitating MAGAts everywhere: “clearly we must support trump the thoughtful peace monger, with a 100% record of success in this area and extremely insightful thoughts that we are blessed that he is sharing here on social media”

    (narrator: and then he rolled his eyes so hard, he fell backwards in his chair)

    or to put it differently…as with so many other trump pronouncements (but this one especially)…what makes his dumb rant any different from what a crazy person at the end of a bar would say?

    (I guess in fairness to crazy people at the ends of bars, trump’s statements don’t actually rise to their level of sophistication.  but other than THAT?)

  99. 99.

    Hoodie

    @Matt McIrvin: Initial takes by reporters on things like this are usually wrong as most reporters have a very simplistic understanding of legal process. The appeals court may have granted the stay to give the administration time to backtrack after things like the Padilla incident and to leave after the weekend no kings protests. If things go south this weekend the Trump admin stands to get blamed if the guard and marines are still deployed, assuming Trump doesn’t TACO before that. They can at least make it look like this isn’t just the act of a single district court judge, but rather a panel from a circuit court covering the entire western US.  There will be a short hearing at which the administration will be able to show zero reason for nationalizing the California guard, and a lifting of the stay after that.  Kagan (who is responsible for this circuit) can then slow walk it at the Supremes, most of whom probably wish the issue would just go away.

  100. 100.

    Jeffro

    @NotMax: so…it’s LITERALLY going to ‘rain on trumpov’s parade’, is it?

    that Karma, whew, she’s something…

    #ETTD

  101. 101.

    Spanky

    @NotMax: DC, from Trump’s NWS:

    Saturday
    Areas of drizzle before 11am, then a slight chance of showers between 11am and 2pm, then a chance of showers and thunderstorms after 2pm. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 82. Calm wind becoming northeast around 6 mph in the morning. Chance of precipitation is 50%.

  103. 103.

    O. Felix Culpa

    I’m bummed. Albuquerque’s protest is in a westside park that’s effectively nowheresville. I think the site was chosen months ago by area Dems for a picnic/community building event, but now it’s morphed into something much bigger and it’s still in this weird off-the-map location that no one but those who live in the neighborhood will see. Plus very limited parking, so a great chance of alienating said neighbors with a crazy overflow of cars. It also makes me worry about getting out in a timely way, if needed. Sigh.

  105. 105.

    ...now I try to be amused

    @Suzanne:

    Stephen Miller is not even 40. He looks like he’s been hating brown people for at least 15 years longer than that.

    Stephen Miller is one of those joyless people who were born 50.

  108. 108.

    Chief Oshkosh

    @NotMax: That’s the point. If a stay is SOP, why does the press report it as a win for Trump? Because they don’t even both-sides it, really. They both-sides it with an extra big thumb on the scale

    ETA: And the 9th Circuit are a bunch of fucking idiots for going with SOP thinking because the Administration is simply not behaving in good faith. Hell, Noam flat-out stated that their purpose is to overthrow the elected California government. Those fucking nitwits on the 9th have just about guaranteed bloodshed and the furtherance of Trump’s goals.

  110. 110.

    Soprano2

    @O. Felix Culpa: They like the “Democrats are trying” or “Democrats tried to” or “XDemocrat tried to” framing a lot. It implies failure. They could just say “Democrats are doing” or “XDemocrat is doing” whatever, but then that implies they are being successful. Part of the reason people think Democrats are weak is because of the language the press uses to talk about the things they do. I think at this point they aren’t even aware of it anymore, it’s baked in to their attitudes. Democrats are always trying and failing as far as the press is concerned.

  111. 111.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    @Betty Cracker:  It’s almost like no one cares what that asshole thinks.

    Yes, it’s pretty clear now all these foreign leaders  figured out TACO long before anyone else did.

  112. 112.

    Soprano2

    @lowtechcyclist: At this point I wish all of the protesters would go home. It would make what FFOTUS is doing look as ridiculous as it is. Pretty much as ridiculous as our governor declaring a “state of emergency” because there are going to be protests this weekend.

  117. 117.

    jonas

    @Betty Cracker: Huh, first I’m hearing about this and I’m in Mannion’s district (NY-22). Until now he’s kind of played the Tim Walz angle — a sort of folksy, down-home guy. Former teacher as well. I’m here for this newer, saltier John Mannion, though. Hope he shows up at one of the No Kings rallies here in CNY tomorrow.

  119. 119.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    @Soprano2: Part of the reason people think Democrats are weak is because of the language the press uses to talk about the things they do.

    The press wouldn’t do it there wasn’t an audience for it. The MSM isn’t there to challenge anyone’s thinking.

  120. 120.

    Soprano2

    @Baud: Yep, especially in this state. I’ve had people tell me that the city of Portland was burned down in 2020. They truly believe this happened, and nothing I can say will disabuse them of that notion. Again I think it goes back to the idea that people who have always lived in small towns have a hard time envisioning how large some cities are. In those towns the few blocks downtown is most of the town!

  124. 124.

    Soprano2

    @Spanky: My first thought when I heard about Israel attacking Iran was about the price of gas. I remember when I heard that Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990; the price of gas went up $0.10 in a day!

  125. 125.

    Suzanne

    @Soprano2: They’re scared of cities because there’s gays and Jews and Black people and women who are uppity there. FREAKY!

  127. 127.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    @narya:

    Also, much as it pains me, shoutout to Newsom.

    Same here.  Don’t want him to be president but his good side has bubbled up on occasion (defending Biden last year, beating back on Hair Furor earlier this year after the fires, and now).

    Whatever political talents he has are on display in this circumstance so good on him for exercising them.

    We can always beat on him later. :)

    Also too, we talk about the dehumanizing language the Orange Fart Cloud has been using more and more of lately and it’s a classic case of “We did NAZI that coming”.  And as much of a punch in the mouth verbally person as I am, we shouldn’t be using the same when it comes to describing some of them, like America’s* Favorite Himmler.  For example, over at Teh Orange during Trump 1.0, the prohibited the use of the term “MAGAt”.  And rat symbology was obviously part and parcel of NAZI propaganda against the Jews and I know over there if such things were posted, it’s reportable.

    We’re better than that.

    *77 million ‘Murkins

  129. 129.

    O. Felix Culpa

    @O. Felix Culpa: I’ve found a solution! We’ll go to the Valencia County event in Los Lunas instead. It’s a more conservative area, so they’ll benefit from having a few more people, plus it’s in the morning before the wretched heat sets in. Win!

    Now to go buy some American flags.

  131. 131.

    Spanky

    @Soprano2: Yeah! And that’s back when $0.10 was worth something!

    (When did the slash/C cent sign go away? I suppose this is it from the special characters “¢”, but it used to be a shift/number.)

  132. 132.

    NotMax

    @Shalimar

    Totally unrelated but sparked memory of a nifty little series, The Booth at the End. Manages to do much with a budget slimmer than Twiggy after a steambath. Currently streaming with ads on both the Roku Channel and Prime.

    Be careful what you ask for.
    ;)

  134. 134.

    NotMax

    Arrgh Bad linky above. Fix.

    @Shalimar

    Totally unrelated but sparked memory of a nifty little series, The Booth at the End. Manages to do much with a budget slimmer than Twiggy after a steambath. Currently streaming with ads on both the Roku Channel and Prime.

    Be careful what you ask for.
    ;)

  135. 135.

    schrodingers_cat

    In Modi’s second term, the formerly independent Indian MSM became Godi media (d is a soft d, and rhymes with Modi, also with a soft d sound). Journalists with a backbone started getting suspended or just left and started their own YT channels. We are seeing the same developments here.

    Godi can be interpreted as either lap or embrace. Our media is similarly morphing into Trump media and that’s how we should refer to them.

  138. 138.

    Chief Oshkosh

    I had two happy things happen this morning. First, the Uber driver to the airport had the look of a MAGA and was a veteran (a Marine, as it turned out). Big, burly white guy. I work with a lot of vets, and sadly, most of them have been MAGA. He was really well-informed about airlines and airports, so that part of the chatting went well. I mentioned how shocked I was last time I flew into Salt Lake City to see how the lake wasn’t much more than a swamp. That led to talking about climate change, and I figured “here it comes.” Well, it did, but it was 100% opposite from expected. The guy is livid at the GOP and especially Trump about everything. It was like talking to one of the Jackalariat. He said that a lot of his buddies still in the Corps feel the same way. He’s real worried about the coming weekend in L.A.

    The second good thing that happened was that all of the video monitors in the security line area were shut off, so we didn’t have to be exposed to that creepy loop of Noem being creepy. It was honestly a great relief.

  139. 139.

    eclare

    @satby:

    Penzey’s has t-shirts now, I may get one of theirs.  Yeah, I think you’re right about this summer.

  140. 140.

    ExPatExDem

    I guess it’s good that Israel provoking a war with Iran happened under Trump.

    Now no one here has to defend Harris going to war with Iran for Israel.

  141. 141.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    @Chief Oshkosh:

    I mentioned this yesterday, if anybody wants to totally disarm any poor Marine Hair Furor has sent to LA when facing a march, have the march leaders be white women of a certain age (grandmas across the age spectrum) carrying American flags.

    My Marine experience is now dated but given the ethos of the core, I still can’t see any of them shooting, clubbing or even giving a side stink eye to a grandma carrying an American flag.

  143. 143.

    O. Felix Culpa

    @Chief Oshkosh: Excellent on both counts!

    I had a similar experience on not typing people according to looks yesterday. One of the tvs at the gym had Fox “News” on,  so I asked to change the channel.  At which point the tough-looking gym rat guy on the bike next to me said “thank you.” He looked Trumpy to me,  and I was happy to be wrong about that.

  144. 144.

    Harrison Wesley

    A friend just texted me that Feds are ordering half a million people from Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua and Venezuela to leave. No special reason, just that they don’t get asylum anymore. Damn.

  145. 145.

    No One of Consequence

    @Spanky: The classic response is to hold up your kilt, revealing your honesty with nary a small clothes stitch and say,

    “No, it’s Baud.”

    -NOoC

  148. 148.

    ExPatExDem

    @Betty Cracker:  Bigly.

    I hope Trump’s personal pettiness at Netanyahu trying to strongarm him wins the day over his hate for brown skinned people.

  149. 149.

    Baud

    @ExPatExDem:

    I don’t do alternate realities, but it is nice being able to sit back and not have any responsibilities when it comes to policy.

  150. 150.

    lou

    @narya: I have a friend who went to high school with Miller. He was a big liar even back then. Can you imagine no personal growth since high school?

  152. 152.

    ExPatExDem

    @Baud: I don’t do alternate realities, but it is nice being able to sit back and not have any responsibilities when it comes to policy.

     

    I’ll refrain from swatting this one out of the park, because I’m nice like that. ;-)

  154. 154.

    satby

    Chris Geidner (Law Dork) ran down the SCOTUS decisions released yesterday. 3 out of 5 were unanimous, the other 2 were 8-1. Surprisingly, it was Gorsuch both times.

  155. 155.

    worn

    @Soprano2: Shit, a couple of years ago my Dad & I had an (older, white, female) server inform us of the same while having lunch in Tigard (literally 13 mi South of downtown Portland). My gob was smacked in real time. Perhaps in hindsight I should’ve taken the exchange as more of an omen about the state of things than I did.

    ETA: By that I meant people’s eager willingness to accept as true whatever hot garbage they read/hear that supports what they wish to believe is true & the social media pipelines that have been created to stovepipe said “knowledge” directly to the masses.

  156. 156.

    Jackie

    @Scout211:

    President Donald Trump said he plans to make changes to his administration’s aggressive crackdown on illegal immigration to protect migrant farmers, hotel workers and others in the leisure industry who have been among those deported.

    FFOTUS is going to break Stephen Miller’s cold black heart*… along with Czar Homen and Noem’s cold black hearts*.

    *This assumes they have one.

  157. 157.

    Almost Retired

    @Suzanne:   I’m not a “sign guy” either, mostly due to a lack of artistic ability and questionable penmanship.  So the best I can come up with is probably a barely legible “Fuck off” on cardboard.

    However, Mrs. Almost Retired and I are interrupting a hiking trip in the Sierra to join the No Kings protest in Mammoth Lakes, California.  Indivisible is holding a pre-protest sign making workshop for the sign-making-impaired.  I will throw myself on their mercy.

    Should be an interesting mix of people.  I used to think of Mammoth Lakes as a community where half the population were under-employed ski instructors, and the other half sold them weed.

    But now it’s becoming a place with 4MM condos to park your Trophy Wife for the Winter while you commute during the workweek back to Los Angeles.   We’ll see.

  158. 158.

    jonas

    @Harrison Wesley:  This is going to go over great in places like FL, I’m sure. But on the other hand, Trump pretty much campaigned on doing exactly this, so I’m not sure what all those MAGA Latinos in FL thought they were going to get.

  159. 159.

    Jackie

    @Shalimar:

    So he [Lewensky] hasn’t lost her to a threesome with Musk yet.

    I think Noem is past her prime for Muskrat’s needs ;-)

  160. 160.

    bbleh

    @narya: @comrade scotts agenda of rage: no great admirer of Newsom here, not since he was SF mayor, and not to say what’s happening in LA is at all good, but politically speaking this is about the best thing that could have happened for him, and he does seem to be rising to the occasion.

  161. 161.

    O. Felix Culpa

    @bbleh:  I think he’s been magnificent and has *almost* redeemed himself for his atrocious podcast choices.

  162. 162.

    ExPatExDem

    @jonas:  Anyone who has a family member on TPS and still voted Trump should have to watch their loved ones do a conga line into the ICE van while that rancid “Voy a votar por Donald Trump/I will vote for Donald Trump” salsa song plays over a loudspeaker.

  166. 166.

    Baud

    @worn:

    people’s eager willingness to accept as true whatever hot garbage they read/hear that supports what they wish to believe is true

     

    Yep. It’s like a religious revival but with secular objects of faith.

  169. 169.

    Jackie

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    Why is she wearing a  hat? Is her hair attached to it or something?

    It’s her new look. It’s part of her ICE ensemble. I’m surprised she doesn’t wear two magazine belts crisscrossed on her chest.

  170. 170.

    Betty Cracker

    @Jackie: I don’t see how he can square that circle (i.e., satisfy xenophobes in the base who become enraged at Spanish language phone-tree options and ensure a supply of cheap immigrant labor for ag, hospitality industries, etc.). Trump seems pretty checked out on his job anyway, so my guess is he’s blowing smoke with a tweet and will allow Miller to keep running immigration policy.

  171. 171.

    Steve LaBonne

    @Betty Cracker: I have assumed all along that the plan was to use immigration as an excuse to crush blue cities without touching the labor force of Republican farm and business owners. The only novel thing here is Trump being dumb enough to say that out loud.

  172. 172.

    jonas

    @ExPatExDem: Yep. And there are a ton of them out there. Just look at the Leopards Ate My Face forum on Reddit. It’s gobsmacking, the dissonance.

  173. 173.

    Professor Bigfoot

    Late to the thread (and then gotta bounce again) but when I saw this:

    Pritzker: You don’t know understand what insurrection is. It is outrageous that you are asking that when you are the one condoning the pardoning of people that attacked police.

    I thought, “DAYUM! The Great Khan ain’t playin’!”

  174. 174.

    rikyrah

    CALL TO ACTIVISM (@CalltoActivism) posted at 9:51 AM on Thu, Jun 12, 2025:
    MAJOR BREAKING: Republicans dragged Gov. Pritzker to Congress to scold him over “sanctuary” policies. Instead, he flipped the script – and TORCHED the Trump administration:

    “It’s WRONG to deploy the National Guard and active duty Marines into an American city over the objection of local law enforcement just to inflame a situation and create a crisis…

    We will not participate in abuses of power. We will not violate court orders. We will not ignore the Constitution.

    We will not defy the Supreme Court. We will not take away people’s rights to peacefully protest.

    We also expect this administration to respect the traditions and legal precedent that dictate how and when our National Guard and military are deployed.”

    HELL YEAH. Thank you Governor Pritzker!

     https://t.co/eaqOyK1O7I
    (https://x.com/CalltoActivism/status/1933175220778446908?t=LAbR0HKvg1xjGWyNpOm2Ug&s=03)

  175. 175.

    jimmiraybob

    The TACO King is now changing course on immigration?

    Luckily, The 34x convicted felon and adjudicated sexual predator has the bipartisan immigration bill that he squashed to fall back on.  The one worked out during the Biden administration.

  178. 178.

    jonas

    @Steve LaBonne: There are ICE raids happening up and down CA, including on ranches and farms in deep-red Trump country. So yeah, a lot of those MAGA ranchers getting royally screwed. Hope they’re happy.

    In related news from up in my neck of the woods, a really good deep dive by a local reporter into how our food supply relies on migrant workers who don’t really have a reasonable path to legal immigration. A local dairy farmer had the cojones to open up and talk about why he hires Latino migrant workers and yes, he’s knows most of them are undocumented.

  179. 179.

    jlowe

    Reading “Abundance”. I’ve been on the waiting list at the library (good God, I’d never buy it!) since April, so it’s bamboozled a lot of readers already. Finished the 2050 prologue and introduction. Think the book needs theme music. My choice: “Young and Rich” by the Tubes. What do you think?

  180. 180.

    Professor Bigfoot

    @Jackie: Shoulder holsters with a matching pair of Colt (gotta be Colts! ‘MERICA!!) stainless steel 1911 “Trump!” pistols in a double shoulder rig. ;)

  182. 182.

    satby

    @Baud: I realize they release the cases where they mostly agree first, but one reanimated the case a family brought against the FBI for targeting the wrong house (Martin vs US) which was dead until this decision.

  183. 183.

    Radio Dave, Lurker

    @Suzanne:

    Katie Miller leaving Stephen Miller to become an Elon Musk broodmare….

    … so, umm … the less worse of two worst(s), maybe?

  184. 184.

    trollhattan

    File under: in defense of the indefensible. Because, well, sometimes that’s your actual job.

    “A lawyer for Donald Trump’s Justice Department recently argued in court that sometimes the president just says stuff — and it doesn’t matter if what Trump says is or isn’t accurate, because his comments aren’t necessarily reflective of the government’s position on a given matter,” Rolling Stone reports.

  186. 186.

    rikyrah

    BrooklynDad_Defiant! (@mmpadellan) posted at 1:30 PM on Thu, Jun 12, 2025:

    For all of you fucking mouth breathing, smooth-brained idiots saying Sen. Alex Padilla FAFO’d because he attempted to attend a press briefing in Los Angeles:

    HE IS A FUCKING UNITED STATES SENATOR.

    Millions of Californians elected HIM to represent them and their concerns. It’s his state, FFS.

    If he doesn’t belong at a press conference, in his own fucking state, being held by a puppy killing cosplay fool from South Dakota, then NOBODY belongs there.

    That is some insane, fascist bullshit.

     https://t.co/FSj93BSkBS
    (https://x.com/mmpadellan/status/1933230493962809381?t=3JQp3sHPEUyx90Gr7a5aMQ&s=03)

  187. 187.

    rikyrah

    Christopher Webb (@cwebbonline) posted at 11:33 PM on Wed, Jun 11, 2025:

    Nobody still believes ICE is going after violent criminals… right?

     On Tuesday, ICE agents raided a massive meatpacking plant in Omaha, Nebraska—rounding up dozens of suspected undocumented workers. The agency called it the largest worksite immigration sweep in the state under Trump’s second term.

    This is about fear.

     https://t.co/iJVzfu5gDp
    (https://x.com/cwebbonline/status/1933019893441740998?t=TpWaJ3eKbWDuuTIxKdJS9g&s=03)

  188. 188.

    jonas

    @rikyrah: If this becomes a protracted conflict, oil prices — which have been dampened on weak economic news over Trump’s tariff wars — are going to climb precipitously. Americans are really going to appreciate seeing the price of gas jump $.50/gal just as the summer driving season ramps up.

  189. 189.

    Steve LaBonne

    @rikyrah: I am not surprised that governors are emerging as our real leaders. They are inherently better suited than legislators to that role.

  192. 192.

    rikyrah

    Brian Allen (@allenanalysis) posted at 1:20 PM on Thu, Jun 12, 2025:

    Trump now says he’s preparing an executive order to let undocumented farmworkers stay.

    He didn’t change his values. He hit a wall.

    Turns out when you deport the workforce, crops rot, businesses flinch, and red states revolt.

    This didn’t happen by chance; it happened because you showed up.

    https://t.co/MEHgYkfyJp
    (https://x.com/allenanalysis/status/1933227880890143011?t=5NGesjkhzPxsI9xpQhTuMQ&s=03)

  199. 199.

    Jackie

    DENIED!

    A federal appeals court in an 8-2 vote Friday declined President Trump’s bid to rehear his appeal of a jury verdict finding him liable for sexually abusing advice columnist E. Jean Carroll, leaving the Supreme Court as Trump’s only remaining pathway,” The Hill reports.

    Sigh… It’s up to the Supremes… maybe they’ll refuse to take it?

  200. 200.

    apocalipstick

    @Baud:

    My idiot governor, the only governor in the country (I believe) who did not attend college.

    I love his statement about ‘unrest’. We know what that means in Missouri: “Be afraid of [certain people] in St. Louis.”

  204. 204.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    @jlowe:

    Jonathan Chait said recently in the Atlantic, in effect the quiet parts out loud, that “abundance” is about defeating liberals and remaking the Dem Party as a libertarian, Never Trump Republican Party so let’s stop pretending it’s anything but that; it’s Reaganism with banal-sounding progressive language to sell it to the Totebagger Radio crowd.

    Plenty of good pieces eviscerating simply another rebrand of trickle-down, Reaganomics:

    https://newintermag.com/abundance-big-techs-bid-for-the-democratic-party/

    Abundance is how Dems lose to Trump.

    https://archive.ph/Bj8Ac

  205. 205.

    jonas

    @rikyrah:  Holy crap. According to CBO, by the end of the 10 years, fully 81% of the total benefit of the GOP’s budget bill goes to the richest 1/10th, while the bottom 40% will pay more.

    You’d think that would get some traction among average voters, but the truth is that too many people see a stat like that and go “Well, I plan to be a millionaire in ten years — especially if my ‘Use Memecoins to Invest in Florida Real Estate’  business takes off — so ka-ching!”

    As someone once put it, there are no poor people in America, only temporarily embarrassed millionaires.

  206. 206.

    Professor Bigfoot

    @Steve LaBonne: Was just thinking exactly this.

    Congresscritters by definition have to work with the assholes, so I get it when they’re more circumspect in their speech— they’re kind of forced to “dogwhistle” what shitweasels they are because, well, isn’t that how any workplace function?

    But the Great Khan is freed from that because, basically, he’s absolutely free to say “fuck you, I answer to the people of Illinois and I’m telling you you don’t know what the fuck you’re doing or saying you absolute ignorant goniff.”

    (not QUITE in so many words ;)

  207. 207.

    TONYG

    @rikyrah: It has been the case for many decades that the parts of the country that employ the most Illegal immigrants, and that are most dependent on their labor, are the agricultural areas — the “red states” and the “red counties” of the “blue states”.  These are also the areas that bitch and moan the most about illegal immigrants and that contain the most enthusiastic supporters of Donald Trump.  These assholes, these Real Americans, are both stupid and evil.  I think that what these farmers really want is to use illegal immigrants has slave labor — no wages, no nothing.  Perhaps they will achieve that dream under the Trump/Miller regime.

  209. 209.

    Dr. Fungus

    Are any Denverites going to No Kings at the state capitol tomorrow? I was advised to “never go alone, use the buddy system, and make a plan” but nobody in my social circle is into that sort of thing.

  210. 210.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    @Dr. Fungus:

    We’ll be there like we’ve been to all the rallies thus far.  If it’s like the last one, it’ll be a mob scene, hard to ID folks much less get to them.

    You’ve got my email from the January meetup if you want to try and work out something.

  211. 211.

    tam1MI

    @ExPatExDem:

    I guess it’s good that Israel provoking a war with Iran happened under Trump.

    Now no one here has to defend Harris going to war with Iran for Israel.

    Not to worry, I’m sure the Gazassholes will figure out a way to blame Dems anyway.

  213. 213.

    jlowe

    @Dr. Fungus: spouse and I talked a bit yesterday about going to the demonstration tomorrow. Decided against it. Not equipped for it if it turns into a scrimmage (no hardhat, full-face respirator with combo cartridges, burner phone, arrangements with someone to feed the cats if we get detained, etc.)

  214. 214.

    narya

    @rikyrah: No one has waged a more effective internal insurgency against a global superpower without using material force than African-Americans did from 1950 to 1970.

    QFT

  218. 218.

    NeenerNeener

    @Harrison Wesley:

    A friend just texted me that Feds are ordering half a million people from Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua and Venezuela to leave. No special reason, just that they don’t get asylum anymore. Damn.

     

    Wow. I used to work with an immigrant from Cuba. She’s married to an American and she has kids and grandkids and a consulting business in Klumbus Ahia. She may have too much money now to be chased out of the US by ICE though. They don’t seem to pick on the rich immigrants.

  219. 219.

    Redshift

    @Steve LaBonne:

    I have assumed all along that the plan was to use immigration as an excuse to crush blue cities without touching the labor force of Republican farm and business owners. The only novel thing here is Trump being dumb enough to say that out loud.

    I think what happened is Stephen Miller’s hate for all immigrants is genuine, and Trump’s “mass deportations” promise was failing to happen without going everywhere, so that gave Miller an opening. But predictably, Republican donors and red-state governors and senators aren’t true believers in the anti-immigrant hate, so they’re putting a stop to it anywhere it hurts them.

  220. 220.

    Redshift

    @rikyrah:

    This didn’t happen by chance; it happened because you showed up.

    I’m gonna have to disagree with Mr. Allen on that. “We’re going to stop going after immigrants in Republican areas” didn’t happen because we showed up for immigrants, it happened because Republican donors showed up for themselves.

  221. 221.

    lowtechcyclist

    @NotMax: ​

    a budget slimmer than Twiggy after a steambath

    Wasn’t sure how old you were, but you’re old enough to remember Twiggy. ‘Nuff said!

  225. 225.

    apocalipstick

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    That one’s easy. Have you looked at the J6 footage? Most of those guys have baseball caps welded to their heads. It’s an identifier.

    Plus, it’s hard to look butch and sadistic  with your hair flowing in the wind.

  226. 226.

    Gloria DryGarden

    @jonas: paywall on your article.

    This clever wave of ice raids will affect our food supply, availability, prices, the existence of farms. These migrant workers have literally been feeding us.

    Im thinking the level of destruction trump has been enacting toward an entire nation borders on mental illness.

  227. 227.

    TONYG

    @tam1MI: A couple of days I was listening to KPFK (the Los Angeles “Pacifica” “leftist” station) through the internet.  The intrepid reporter was interviewing some protesters.  Her first question was along the lines of “Don’t you agree that Joe Biden is really to blame for what’s happening?”.  Fifty years from now, when these people are in a MAGA prison, they’ll still be blaming everything on Biden.

  230. 230.

    Gloria DryGarden

    @Spanky: 50% not good enough. Hail to the leader. Oh hail, yes.

    dreary might have to do, at least it’ll be dreary

  231. 231.

    Big Fly

    @Soprano2: Let those people know that we’ve communicated and I let you know I DIED in that fire. But then I got better; some people are calling it a miracle.

    Seriously, I spent much of the 2020 summer to and from Portland and my home, because: I always liked spending time in Ptl; and to join the protests. I’ve been a part of quite a few protests since the 60s some quiet, some not so much. Ptl was probably the ‘spookiest’ among them: not for the typical violence, but for the ways the feds would suddenly appear on some platform, in formation and shrouded in smoke and shadow; stand there for any number of minutes; then disappear back into the building. Again and again: on the loading dock of the courthouse, then later on the balcony of same — intimidation, sure, but the atmosphere was unnerving.

    The Ptl pigs, too, adopted those tactics (when they weren’t too busy kettling people (families!); beating and arresting people, flash-banging and “less-than-lethaling” citizens), standing on and riding within white vans, from which they’d dismount — dressed in white protective gear that looked — I swear to the FSM — EXACTLY like Star Wars Stormtroopers! They’d stand in formation (I watched them at Pioneer Park) then sooner or later and on command, (again: envision the Stormtroopers) quick march  back to the vans, and rush off to some other part of the city. Every night was surreal.

  232. 232.

    Citizen Alan

    @Suzanne: I am perfectly comfortable saying “I don’t like Gavin Newsome. But he is better in every conceivable way and by orders of magnitude than every single Republican politician in the country.”

  233. 233.

    Citizen Alan

    @Baud: Yeah, but if Shitgibbon has to stand outside in the rain all day, maybe we’ll get lucky and he’ll pull a William Henry Harrison and die of a cold.

  234. 234.

    Citizen Alan

    @jonas: A local dairy farmer had the cojones to open up and talk about why he hires Latino migrant workers and yes, he’s knows most of them are undocumented.

    Why is that guy not getting arrested since he just confessed on TV? I mean, we know why, but do they even pretend to have a legitimate, non-racist reason for ignoring the clear lawbreaking by people who knowingly employ undocumented workers?

  237. 237.

    Ruckus

    @lou:

    Unfortunately I can. And it is less unusual than many think.

    Some people’s high point was HS and they really, really can’t get beyond that.

  239. 239.

    Ruckus

    @Citizen Alan:

    Gavin has a way of seeming a bit pompous and slightly arrogant.

    But

    He’s not a bad governor, just a bit more in your face than most others. I like that he isn’t a $800 suit wearing – every day pompous arrogant ass. I like that he gets pissed when it’s appropriate.

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