It is the official position of ICE that this very real event that did, in fact, happen was not them.
Vigilantism is worse. It would be nice if federal agents had means to identify themselves as legitimate law enforcement.— Matt Ortega (@mattortega.com) June 19, 2025 at 4:42 PM
This feels pretty notable IMO
NB: The Athletic is the NYTimes’ sports sub-blog:
The Los Angeles Dodgers said they denied federal immigration officials access to the area around the team’s stadium on Thursday morning.
The news comes hours after The Athletic reported the team’s plans to announce assistance to immigrants impacted by recent militarized raids.— The Athletic (@theathletic.bsky.social) June 19, 2025 at 5:12 PM
Looking weak like this in the Trump administration is literally begging to get Miller come to your office and shout for hours and hours, it's not surprising they're all rushing to cover they asses.
— Schnorkles O'Bork (@schnorkles.bsky.social) June 19, 2025 at 5:41 PM
if you don’t know the history of Dodger Stadium you can’t fully understand what unfolded today. thanks @chrislhayes.bsky.social for the opportunity to share it.
— Jacob Soboroff (@jacobsoboroff.bsky.social) June 19, 2025 at 9:05 PM
Imagine being one of these pampered blow-dried TV dolts giggling like a child about the idea of mass deportations at a Dodgers game.
So much misery and chaos! It would be so much fun for these assholes to watch from their living rooms.— Kevin M. Kruse (@kevinmkruse.bsky.social) June 16, 2025 at 6:18 PM
Sure looks like ICE got their assignment to stage a raid at Dodgers Stadium from these giggling dipshits.
— Kevin M. Kruse (@kevinmkruse.bsky.social) June 19, 2025 at 3:22 PM
Barry Petchesky, reporting for Defector — “The Dodgers Can’t Sit This Moment Out”:
… Around 8 a.m., a line of unmarked vans and SUVs attempted to enter the stadium parking lot. They were feds—they said as much, although as has been characteristic of this campaign there was no sure way to tell by looking. They wore no uniforms, displayed no badges or service logos, and covered their faces. In short, they looked and dressed like immigration officers have looked and dressed around the country as they perform deportation raids on terrified communities—like thugs, or kidnappers, or just criminals…
It should be noted that they were not, or not entirely, ICE, but rather Customs and Border Protection agents—another enforcement organization under the Department of Homeland Security, with much of the same powers and purview. It’s a distinction without a difference; they all act more or less the same. The agents themselves were not exactly forthcoming with their identities, they told an L.A. Times reporter only that they were “DHS.”
Denied entrance, the line of vehicles relocated to another gate outside a closed parking lot, where they gathered before gradually dispersing. They had apparently intended to use Dodger Stadium’s lot as a quiet place to process people arrested in early-morning raids, including a major one at a Home Depot in Hollywood that had targeted day laborers and street vendors. One activist showed the Times photos of vehicles that were present at both the Home Depot raid and at Dodger Stadium. That activist also told the Times that a CBP agent had told her why they sought the apparent isolation of a closed stadium parking lot.
“We bring the detainees here to process them and conduct our investigation without public interference,” the agent said, according to [Emily] Phillips, who wrote down his quote. “We can’t do it in the Home Depot parking lot because the public makes it dangerous.”
Angelenos made sure they couldn’t do it at Dodger Stadium, either. After images of the feds at the stadium began spreading on social media, protestors showed up in an attempt to confront them.
The protestors were kept from the federal agents by LAPD. The feds eventually left as more protestors arrived over the course of the morning.
The Dodgers, in the wake of Thursday’s showdown, announced they will delay announcing their community initiatives. “Because of the events earlier today, we continue to work with groups that were involved with our programs,” Dodgers president Stan Kasten said. “But we are going to have to delay today’s announcement while we firm up some more details. We’ll get back to you soon with the timing.”
If the exact form of Thursday’s events wasn’t predictable, the broad strokes absolutely were. This isn’t the type of politics where neutrality can be maintained indefinitely. Any pro sports team will inevitably be entwined with its community, and this is especially true of the Dodgers, from the composition of their fanbase to their immigrant megastar to their stadium’s very origins. They didn’t ask to be involved, but neither did those Angelenos being targeted and terrorized by the government. Not an inch can be given.
Scout211
Deleted since AL covered it. (The Dodger’s delaying their announcement to help the local communities).
Suzanne
My understanding is that CBP is only supposed to be operating at airports and ports of entry, and that they don’t have the latitude to go to any random site. Laws are slightly different within the border zone, though, so I could be wrong. But if this is true, this represents a huge expansion of their influence.
Scout211
@Suzanne: The 100 mile rule will be used extensively, I would guess
ACLU.
Rights? I wish.
Added:
Suzanne
@Scout211: Yeah, I know the border zone allows for expanded searches. But I didn’t think that CBP was allowed to basically go anywhere they want within it.
Old Man Shadow
I get the feeling that the commanders of these ICE goons are really hoping that one or more of them get seriously injured or killed.
Old Man Shadow
@Suzanne: Even if they’re not supposed to, who’s going to stop them?
Suzanne
@Old Man Shadow: No kidding. They have impunity, apparently.
NotMax
Not only an open thread but also the first day of summer.
That deserves some quality Vivaldi.
Anonymous At Work
@Suzanne: I think this is part of a way to halt operations by ICE/CPB masked goon squads. Demand ID and a written copy of orders and list of agents being used. If none is given, declare the masked men as “vigilantes” and call NBC, CBS, and MSNBC pronto, and then call the police.
BeautifulPlumage
And this was one of the 1st posts on bluesky
Hunter Gathers
Doing this is the biggest ‘Tell me you know nothing about baseball without telling me you know nothing about baseball’ ever.
David Collier-Brown
I’ll be interest in what the LAPD says about the encounter, and how they report the identification of the participants. Thus far, nothing…
bbleh
@Old Man Shadow: @Suzanne: the only practical answer I see is, state and local enforcement organizations, eg the LAPD. And they’re not going to STOP them, federal supremacy being what it is, but they can at least compel them to act within the law, including wearing fkin IDENTIFICATION.
This business of having un-uniformed, un-badged, masked goons who nevertheless are by all accounts technically federal officers is a recipe for abuse and chaos. For one thing, you see exactly the kind of bad-faith disavowal and buck-passing when they ARE called out for it, and for another it’s an open invitation to the kind of violence they want: defending yourself against masked kidnapers becomes an assault on federal officers.
The states need to hold their feet to the fire. More of this please.
Hungry Joe
This Padre fan salutes the Dodgers. Reluctantly, but still …
(Padres later beat the Dodgers 5-3. Which isn’t fitting, exactly, but it’s all right by me.)
Question: If masked, badge-less men and women spill out of unmarked vehicles and try to drag someone away, does that person have the right to fight — to try to free him- or herself — without being charged with resisting arrest? Don’t arresting officers of the law have to identify themselves as such?
Old Man Shadow
In theory, yes.
In practice, every scumbag pig there will swear that they did identify themselves multiple times and you became violent anyway and then slap you with resisting, assault, and attempted murder charges. Then, assuming they didn’t just kill you, you have months or years of paying a lawyer to get footage to prove your innocence enough to convince enough jurors to acquit you.
rosalind
for me the defining image of these out of control Immigration Goonsquads is of abandoned food carts at the H’wood Home Depot, where food is still left cooking. The goons grabbed up the vendors as well as customers and left everything else behind. the horror for the children of the vendors whose parents simply don’t return home at the end of the day…
Scout211
@Suzanne: They didn’t barge into the stadium. According to reports, they asked permission to enter and were denied. That may be how they get around that and also serves as a test.
TONYG
“The public makes it dangerous.” So says a CBP agent who is so cowardly that he wears a mask, refuses to show his badge and drives a vehicle with no identifying markings. Why don’t these clowns just say “We are glorified Mall Cops who are afraid of the public in spite of the fact that we carry guns and are protected by the might of the federal government.”. Why not just fire them all, and replace them, carefully, after proper vetting?
Suzanne
@Scout211: That’s a good point. The act of the request might allow them more latitude.
jonas
@Hunter Gathers: Especially in LA.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
@Hungry Joe:
Heh heh, Dodger Hate isn’t quite at the level of Yankees Hate but it’s a thing. As I said yesterday, I call them the Fucking Yankees™ of the West Coast for the same reasons Steve Gilliard first coined that term for the Fucking Yankees™.
But…good on the Dodgers. I was at a game at Dodgers Stadium last month, had a blast (except for the cat pee smell waaay up in the nosebleed seats, totally bizarre).
And one thing that I kinda knew from seeing their games here in Denver (when the Dodgers come here, it’s basically a home game for them), is that their fan base is *massively* Hispanic. That was overwhelmingly obvious while at Dodgers Stadium.
So the team doing this isn’t surprising even tho they’re still a corporate behemoth and all the “small c” conservative things that go into being a corporate behemoth as a rule.
While out there, also went to a game at Petco. Totally different experience than Dodgers Stadium but really easy to see why Petco is considered one of the best, if not the best, baseball parks from access to food to booze to the skyline.
Jackie
O/T, but what are the odds Pam Bondi announces she’s appointing a special prosecutor by the end of the day?
Librettist
Don’t worry TechBro Inc. – J.Z. Vince will sort this all out.
BeautifulPlumage
trying this again
Another side to the Dodgers story
mark
Can’t believe someone who is known as a liar.
dc
I’m sorry, but zero border crossings is just a straight up lie.
StringOnAStick
@dc: It is, but the fanbase he is playing acting to will eat this up and trumpet it to the skies. I wonder if people will start to make the connection between food prices going up and scarcity due to lack of immigrants to harvest it, or any other part of our economy that relies on immigrant labor? Elon wants his lettuce picked by white people, but you have to immiserate enough white people to get that kind of labor pool. Plans are proceeding apace.
Shalimar
@Scout211: Back in 2018 during the first time Miller pulled this crap, they claimed the “border” included any airport with international flights. That supposedly opened up most of the US to the 100-mile rule. Not sure how court challenges to that stupidity went
Edit: I remember specifically they were searching Greyhound buses between Atlanta and Chattanooga.
Suzanne
@Shalimar: Even without the absolute nonsense of 100-miles-around-any-international-airport, close to 2/3 of the U.S. population lives in the 100-mile border zone.
Suzanne
@Shalimar: Spawn the Elder was on a Greyhound in Texas a few months ago, pre-FFOTUS Boogaloo, and ICE came onto their bus. (I think it was ICE.)
Smiling Happy Guy (aka boatboy_srq)
@TONYG:You would think all that fear would make them consider that what they’re doing might just be wrong.
Baud
Republicans hate democracy.
Snarki, child of Loki
No/covered badge? No/generic uniform? Face covered?
MN-shooter copycat. Shoot on sight.
Librettist
@Jackie:
So this is Stephen Miller trying to get back in the good graces of a dementia patient?
Baud
I’m not a poll person, but some people might enjoy this.
Soprano2
@Baud: They know their policies aren’t actually popular, this is how they deal with that. They believe that even though people don’t like their policies, those policies are for the best and people should like them even if they don’t. When their policies are overturned by the voters, they ALWAYS say that the voters were fooled and didn’t understand what they were actually voting on, and if only they had truly understood the issue they would have voted for what the elected R’s want. It’s nonsensical.
brantl
@Suzanne: Do you mean that because of the combined state borders, or international borders?
bbleh
@TONYG: one might infer they WANT this kind of person in those positions. Aggressive, even violent. Secretive, deniable. Willing to lie out of some twisted notion of loyalty. In a word, Brownshirts.
Baud
@Soprano2:
Their voters simply will not discipline party leaders. They’re the polar opposite of Dems.
Ksmiami06
Fascist shit heads. All.
Librettist
High ranking members of this administration were involved in a fist fight.
Lyrebird
@rosalind: heartbreaking
and then all this BS oh we weren’t rounding anyone up at Dodger Stadium, we just needed a quiet parking lot to transfer our prisoners…
I don’t think we’re at this level yet, but the echoes are there of loading Jews, Romany, etc on train cars.
Scout211
@brantl: check out this map.
Librettist
@Baud:
They love a cringey Tik-tok video.
Doug R
For a country that claims a 200 mile zone around its coasts, expanding that 100 mile rule to coastline is utter BULLSHIT.
trollhattan
Around the time of the Chavez Ravine Massacree, this happened. Not good, 9th Circuit.
“National emergencies” doing some heavy lifting here. Oh noes, those shopping carts are on fahr.
Scout211
Yep.
Hey, at least it doesn’t (officially) include all the “International” airports across the US. Unofficially? They are all included (in their minds) so that’s, what? 1/2? 3/4?
Glory b
Under the “curiouser and curiouser” banner,in two separate pieces of video I’ve seen yesterday and today, instead of wearing masks or gators, ICE agents are wearing keffiyes.
Suzanne
@brantl: The 100-mile border zone includes both the land and sea borders, so most of our really large cities fall inside it. So a huge amount of our population is in it.
WereBear
What has the Department of Homeland Security ever done for us? Part of the Patriot Act?
opiejeanne
@Hunter Gathers:
And nothing about Los Angeles and Chavez Ravine. I was a little kid and I still remember it vividly.
TONYG
I understand that we now live in a country in which laws and the Constitution mean nothing — but is it legal for law enforcement officers to hide their faces and badges and to travel in unmarked vehicles when they are not in an undercover investigation? I’m just curious. One would think that, for their own benefit, ICE and CBP agents would want to distinguish themselves from random thugs. (If they don’t identify themselves, can citizens just shoot them with impunity? Ha.)
TONYG
@Lyrebird: The parking lot at Dodger Stadium is private property, reserved for people going to see a ball game. Can the ICE and CBP agents be arrested by the LAPD for trespassing?
TONYG
@Scout211: What a coincidence. The vast majority of cities and towns within a 100 miles of a coast contain residents who do NOT support Trump.
TONYG
@Glory b: This is what amounts to humor from these thugs.
Scout211
Oops, bad math. If the International airports are included (which aren’t officially part of the CBP 100 mile radius), that would be 75%? 85%? More?
Lyrebird
@TONYG: I wish! I think they didn’t get in in the first place, but seriously, how can it possibly be legal for them to do their shady secret police stuff? I know non-citizens have fewer rights, but when they first come up to someone, they don’t KNOW whether it’s a citizen or not, except of course with Sen. Padilla or Comptroller Lander, they jolly well knew, and I think habeas corpus is for everyone, right?
Another Scott
Good, good.
And long overdue.
Best wishes,
Scott.
Gretchen
Jelani Cobb was telling Chris Hayes that the resistance to the Fugitive Slave Act came not just from abolitionists but from people who objected to seeing their neighbors grabbed. They weren’t necessarily against slavery in general but when they saw a neighbor who’d lived peacefully in their community for years get grabbed, they fought back. He says neighbor is the basic unit, and sees a parallel with neighbors defending neighbors now.
Suzanne
@Scout211: If you added 100 miles around international airports, that’s probably 95% of the U.S. population. Maybe even more. There’s a lot of international airports!
ETA: Google tells me that we have close to 500 international airports in the U.S.
tobie
I can’t believe I missed this. FT has an article indicating that the revenue service collects only 40% of what small businesses owe in taxes in the UK. I imagine the same is true in the US.
https://www.ft.com/content/52abc545-338c-4519-bb4b-c29ab2dd6910
Gretchen
@Anonymous At Work: Landis was demanding to see a warrant and they just ignored him. What I’m hoping is that he will demand the names and organizations of the people who arrested him. I suspect that a lot of these guys are masked because they’re not vetted agents but some sort of contractors who haven’t gone through background checks, and the feds don’t want that to get out. Maybe even Proud Boys and Jan 6 pardonees.
Scout211
@TONYG: @Lyrebird:
According to the reports, the Federal Agents asked permission to enter the stadium parking lot and were denied. If they still entered after being denied permission, that would be a whole different story.
Or if the Dodgers allowed permission and they then proceeded to take (brown) people into custody on Dodgers property? That’s another question unanswered.
Scout211
@Another Scott: Oh my. Good news. Thank you for posted that.
laura
While I’m happy with the push back at Dodger stadium, I resent having to cheer for either the Dodgers or the Padres. Let’s Go Giants!
I think that Jelani Cobb was absolutely correct and on point.
topclimber
@Gretchen: Another provision of Fugitive Slave Act was that all random white dudes could be forced into participating in the hunting and bagging if that is what local law enforcement decided. I wonder that was the equivalent then of being torn away from watching sports in your man cave and then made to slog through the forests in search of SOMEONE ELSE’s slave.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
The public gets angry enough, that will happen. Trump is really playing with fire.
Chief Oshkosh
@Lyrebird:
Actually, non-citizens have the same rights as citizens. They are persons. Non-citizens do not enjoy all of the privileges that citizens do.
I’m pretty sure that’s correct…
JWR
@opiejeanne:
I was too young to remember it, but a number of years ago I heard an interview, (I think it was on Fresh Air), with an author who did a book on the story behind Chavez Ravine and the way entire neighborhoods were displaced, uprooted, forcibly booted out to build the damn thing. It all sounded really bad, but it is what it is, and it’s a beautiful stadium.
That said, this action by the Dodgers does not in any way ease my anger at the team for showing up at the WH to be feted by Dumbass Donnie.
Another Scott
@Suzanne: Made me look.
I don’t know how up-to-date this is… IANAL.
ACLU memo on the “100 mile” rule (3 page .pdf).
1) Apparently the 100 miles number isn’t in the legislation. The law was passed in 1946 and the regulations were updated in 1953 “in both instances with little deliberation or review.”
2) The courts have been skeptical of charges placed farther from the external border (greater evidence is required).
3) It doesn’t seem like once one is through the international elements of the airport that ICE can grab people if they aren’t within 100 miles of external border (they seemingly can’t construct bull’s eyes from airports in Denver or Louisville).
As always, what’s in the legislation and the rules doesn’t really matter if there are no consequences for those in authority deciding to do what they want regardless.
Grr…
Thanks.
Best wishes,
Scott.
lowtechcyclist
@Suzanne:
Wonder if the ‘coastline’ includes the shores of all tidal estuaries. If so, since I-95 in Virginia basically runs along the ‘fall line,’ the 100-mile zone would extend roughly 100 miles west of I-95 in Virginia.
Jackie
@Another Scott:
Impunity of the law is beginning to BE the law in FFOTUS’s administration.
JWR
Just saw a story on local L.A. news about masked goons showing up again and before they got much done were essentially run off by the growing crowd. And it looked like they set off a few tear gas cannisters to make good their escape. Go L.A.!
PatD
In other news, James Clyburn showed his whole ass by endorsing Cuomo for mayor. Even mentioned his character in the endorsement. What an embarrassment.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/20/nyregion/clyburn-endorses-cuomo-mayor.html
Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony
@Soprano2: To be fair, we also say that when we get voter backlash over Democratic policies. Granted, it is especially galling with the abortion rights stuff in our state. The GOP has made it a policy to defy citizen initiatives (including constitutional amendments). My point, though, is we tend to be dismissive of the objections voters have to some of our policies.
Scout211
@PatD: Much discussion downstairs on that.
PatD
@Scout211: Ah damnit. Gonna have to scroll down now.
JaySinWa
@Chief Oshkosh: I’m pretty sure voting is a right for citizens, not a privilege (some Republicans disagree) that is not accorded to non citizens in federal elections.
Geminid
Security analyst Michael A. Horowitz wrote a good Substack piece about Trump’s ambivalent policy on the Israeli/Iranian war, and came up with a nifty title:
Baud
@PatD:
Scroll up from the bottom!
Scout211
Smells like TACOs.
satby
@Gretchen: I think that’s pretty likely as well.
Jackie
@Another Scott:
Will this order be ignored? Is there a release “by date” included in the order?
Jackie
US sanctions target those providing Iran with defense machinery, Houthi oil trading:
Another Scott
@Jackie:
Continuing Parloff’s thread:
HTH!
Best wishes,
Scott.
JMG
One constant theme of every cop novel, TV show, and movie I have ever read or seen is that the feds are overbearing and ALWAYS shove local cops aside in their pursuit of whatever. This didn’t happen here. One explanation is that these guys weren’t feds of any kind except the bounty hunters hired by DHS and were doubtless instructed not to let anyone learn who they were no matter what. So they backed off
One thing I’ll add is that even the dimmest LEO, fed, state, or local would know that trying to snatch people inside a full Dodger Stadium would not be helpful in reaching pensionable age.
Glory b
@Another Scott: Thats one.
How many more to go?
Jackie
@Another Scott: GOOD!
<Fingers crossed>
Another Scott
@Glory b: Too many. :-(
Best wishes,
Scott.
Matt McIrvin
@Chief Oshkosh: Stephen Miller has more or less openly stated that, according to him, non-citizens have no constitutional rights at all. Combine that with Trump reserving the right to define who is a citizen by executive order, and we have an interesting combination indeed.
Jackie
@Another Scott: Here’s a little meat to accompany your info:
Ksmiami06
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: fine by me. The ice guys deserve it
Another Scott
Meanwhile, … NOAA.gov – Heat Index Forecast Maps
Almost the eastern half of the country is predicted to be in an above 100F Maximum Heat Index for several days at least, with an area from DC to the SC line being above 110F.
Stay cool and try to prepare if you can.
Best wishes,
Scott.
Ruckus
@Smiling Happy Guy (aka boatboy_srq):
Too many humans on this planet can NEVER be convinced that they are wrong. No matter the evidence or the law.
And these guys mask up because they have to be not identifiable because I’d bet that they are following the law less than 100% of the time. And know it. Also they likely think the people they are looking for have kooties! Of course then they could wear medical masks – rather than looking like a gang. Hey, maybe they are trying to look like a gang.
Another Scott
@Jackie: 👍
Thanks.
Best wishes,
Scott.
rikyrah
@Anonymous At Work:
Absolutely 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
ColoradoGuy
@Matt McIrvin: I’ll go a little further. Stephen Miller undoubtedly believes the only citizens who have rights are MAGA voters. All the rest are servants, slaves, or headed for a concentration camp.
HopefullyNotcassandra
@Suzanne: You are right. Los Angeles is not within 100 yards of a land border either. CPB had no business conducting border patrol in Los Angeles.
The marines and CA national guard have nothing to do either. Nothing is happening by that federal building and yet they remain. Now, the couchman himself, Mr. Vance, is coming to do nothing too.
HopefullyNotcassandra
@Scout211: the coastguard has the coastline.
Ruckus
@tobie:
It may be true on occasion, but when I owned my businesses it wasn’t. And they were small businesses. Few employees, I seem to recall no more than 6 employees at any one time. May have gotten to 8 on occasion when dad owned it. My second business had one employee – me. And legally I wasn’t an employee, I was the owner. Now a lot depends on the business and is it say a chain retail store or a large manufacturing company, like for example a vehicle manufacturer or supplier to them?
Jackie
The CATO Institute data refutes ICE’s assertion that they’re rounding up violent criminals:
The stats and charts in the linked Cato report show ICE is lying like hell about who they’re targeting and arresting. It’s worthy of front paging.
HopefullyNotcassandra
@Scout211: they could not get inside the parking lots. Dodger stadium lots are blocked by chains when there is no game. Nobody can get inside without the gate guards retracting the chains.
Ruckus
@Suzanne:
What they have would be the US government on their side. Protecting yourself in court against the US government may be a tad tougher and more expensive than say a civil case in your local court. And what happens if they get sanctioned? Think they won’t go all the way to the supreme court? Sure it costs money but it’s our money they are spending, not their’s.
bbleh
@Jackie: Trump’s Razor: the stupidest explanation is the most likely.
The Orange Guy wants “the numbers” higher. Reichsführer Miller hates all non-white people (maybe ALL people, I dunno) and is happy to berate various agencies to do exactly that.
They don’t care who the people are. They just want higher numbers.
oldgold
@Another Scott: A follow up to yesterday’s discussion concerning involving Congress in the decision as to whether to go to war with Iran.
Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-MD) put President Donald Trump on notice Friday, saying Congress should decide whether to strike Iran, not him alone. The Constitution is very clear in Article One that it is Congress which has the power to declare war,” Raskin said. “That is the sole and exclusive power of Congress.”
Raskin conceded that presidents have taken swift action in emergency situations. “But obviously, Donald Trump has said, ‘Well, nobody knows what I’m going to do. I might do it, I might not. Now I’m going to take two weeks to think it over.’ It’s clearly not an emergency.”
Raskin added that it’s up to Congress to consider “all of the complicated policy factors” that enter into a decision to stage a military strike on a foreign country.
HopefullyNotcassandra
@Scout211: I stand corrected (and saddened).
danielx
@bbleh:
Yes indeed, and the Big Beautiful Bill includes billions to hire thousands more of them. Something tells me they are basically going to be hiring applicants off the street, since training federal law enforcement officers (legitimate ones) takes months and requires such niceties as knowledge of federal criminal statutes and so on. Not to mention screening for criminal background etc etc. Who needs all that shit to go grab people out of Home Depot parking lots and restaurant kitchens?
Doc Sardonic
@Suzanne: Nice little trick to that “international” designation, little airport next town over from me that would barely qualify as an executive airport, because you can’t land anything larger than a medium sized Lear or Gulfstream, is an International airport. They seem to being playing fast and loose with that designation.
Bupalos
@Scout211: And more is right. I mean, those are big, utterly obvious coastal ones.
How about Akron, OH. Easily within 100m of Canada. Rochester, NY. Burlington VT.
HopefullyNotcassandra
@comrade scotts agenda of rage: there is nearly nothing quite so perfect as a dodgers game at dodgers stadium on a beautiful SoCal day.
I never experienced the cat pee smell.
Ruckus
@Jackie:
Why do you think they wear masks that hide most of their faces? In case they sneeze?
Nope.
It’s to hide their faces so they are not easily identifiable. Or even reasonably identifiable in court, just in case they would end up there.
HopefullyNotcassandra
@Soprano2: now the Goypers are claiming trickle down works. They truly believe Americans have zero grey matter.
bbleh
@danielx: they’re Brownshirts. Poorly trained, loosely organized, low-skill goon squads. Technically federal officers of a sort, mostly to give them a legal patina, but deliberately only loosely accountable, to give higher-profile officials deniability (eg, the Dodger Stadium Incident).
Anybody remember the Haitian Tonton Macoute?
Ruckus
@Doc Sardonic:
I believe that any airport that accepts flights over international borders is considered an international airport.
And no I do not have anything more than a vague recollection from long ago if this is true but it is how I recall it.
bbleh
@Ruckus: IIRC, to be designated an “international airport” it also must operate 24h/day.
hotshoe
@NotMax:
Wow, what fun! Vivaldi would be standing and cheering. Thanks for sharing that performance.
Professor Bigfoot
Are they wrong? ;)
ArchTeryx
@Doc Sardonic: Any airport that accepts commercial flights from over the border – even private commercial flights (like business charters) qualifies as an international airport and gets that designation. The Tri-City (Midland/Saginaw/Bay City) Airport near Midland, MI is the same way. Few commercial flights, mostly private flights for Dow executives in the nearby HQ. But they take flights from Canada on occasion, so, Tri-City International Airport is its designation.
bbleh
@NotMax: @hotshoe: Holy shirtballs! Amazing! Two thumbs up!
danielx
@HopefullyNotcassandra:
Ah yes, ye olde trickle down theory. That’s where rich people piss down your back and tell you the golden shower is the freshest of spring water.
Another Scott
@oldgold: Raskin is very good.
He represents MD-8, Montgomery County, and supposedly one of the top 5 liberal bastions in the country. He won reelection in 2024 by 56 percentage points.
Maybe a bit of an outlier. ;-)
Seriously, agreed that our folks need to speak up to extent that they can. But their number one goal has to be to win the next election with the largest majority possible. IMHO.
Best wishes,
Scott.
Omnes Omnibus
@Matt McIrvin: What Miller thinks is not law. What Trump thinks is not law. Let’s not accept their fucking framing.
jonas
@Another Scott: This would be bad for late July-August. But mid-June? Feh.
JoyceH
Some oversight questions I’d like to see answered. A list of who all has been hired by DHS, CBP, and ICE during this administration, what is their background and how were they vetted. One thing that strikes me about these raids is how incredibly unprofessional they are, often snatching the adults and roaring off leaving children abandoned in parking lots and on the side of the road. I watch enough police procedurals to know that after the arrest a uniform always remains with the minors until child protective services arrives to take custody of them. These clowns just leave the kids!
Doc Sardonic
@ArchTeryx: That explains the change in designation, the asshole that owns The Villages keeps their jets there that they use to fly in the
marksprospective high end home buyers.ArchTeryx
@JoyceH: Fascists don’t give two shits about kids. They talk a big game about the importance of them, but they don’t care how many die because to a fascist, death is always the goal. The kids that die are either innocent victims, martyrs, or heroes, but dead they still are.
Suzanne
@Doc Sardonic: It’s not fast-and-loose. Any airport that accepts flights originating from other countries has to host Customs (even if the airline is based in the U.S.). The airport has to be designed differently to maintain sterility, which is why many airports put all the international flights at dedicated terminals.
brantl
@trollhattan: all two of them on fire shopping carts.
Scout211
@JoyceH: Many federal agencies are lending employees to ICE for at least six months. But training? Who knows?
. . .
brantl
@JaySinWa: non-citizens aren’t allowed to vote in local elections either.
Matt McIrvin
@brantl: There are a few municipalities that allow non-citizens to vote in local elections, a fact that makes Republicans’ heads explode and starts them yelling about mass fraud and the Great Replacement.
Ruckus
@bbleh:
Most of the main ones do anyway.
I used to fly a lot of miles for my job in professional sports before my last job. Checking for my rent car once and the clerk told me I was in the top 5% of Hertz renters. I’ve been to every state other than Alaska, worked in most of them, lived in 3 of them. Part of my responsibility was for the trucks used in that professional sports job that would put on around 40 thousand miles a year, and several of the employees.
Now some airports that are not as big as the biggest of them still do international flights, just not as many as say LAX or Atlanta, or any of the other 21 major airports with the most air traffic and which I’ve flown in and out of 20 of them, plus some other smaller ones. I used to fly often enough that on rare occasions one of the flight attendants would recognize me, not necessarily by name, but would acknowledge me. As I would them.
Jay
USC Law Students have set up a hotline, in English and Spanish, (888) 462-5211, for anyone afraid of attending their Immigration Hearing in person. They will aid the petitioner in filing a motion asking for a remote hearing
https://bsky.app/profile/divinemoonlight.bsky.social/post/3lrwrhwkkqc2x
notice is in the link.
A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan)
I had always thought an International Airport would be of a certain size, since it would include both domestic and International flights (kind of like how SFO vs Oakland airport used to be). Then in 2017 we took a post-retirement safari in Tanzania, and landed at the Arusha International Airport on our KLM flight from Amsterdam. AIA was a one room metal-roofed shack, basically. We walked from the plane across the tarmack to the building, which I’ve only seen in Santa Rosa (and San Jose a long time ago). But it was definitely an International airport! I hear the one in Nairobi is much bigger, but we didn’t go to Kenya.
Miss Bianca
@Matt McIrvin: never heard of noncitizens being allowed to vote for anything anywhere,.except maybe something to do with a club or nonprofit board.
brantl
@bbleh: TRUMP’S TRUE RAZOR: The stupidest explanation you can come up with isn’t as dumb, dim, or evil as Trump’s actual reason.
brantl
@Matt McIrvin: Really? Where?
JaySinWa
https://ballotpedia.org/Laws_permitting_noncitizens_to_vote_in_the_United_States
The article has details of where it is allowed.
evodevo
@Glory b: Yeah, I noticed that..what the hell?
Matt McIrvin
@TONYG: I think they may want to enable random thugs to impersonate them to help terrorize immigrants. They’re doing it for free!
JaySinWa
@Matt McIrvin:
I think they may be looking to Militias, Proud Boys, III Percenters and Constitutional Sheriffs to act as brown shirts as well. Small Groups being more effective than individuals. Hoping for a KKK rebirth.
Sally
@Miss Bianca:
Non citizens are permitted to vote in national elections in some countries. My son, whilst studying in the UK, was encouraged to register to vote in a UK election. He was on a student visa, and not even a tax payer. In some Commonwealth countries, any “British Subject” is permitted to vote in national elections. In some countries, permanent residents are also permitted to vote, eg, New Zealand.
My belief is that anyone on a visa that permits employment, and any green card holder, should be permitted to vote. I know that is considered a bit extreme by people. But, “no taxation without representation” rings strongly for me. If you take my money I should have some say in what you do with it. I have lived in several countries where I am permitted to vote without being a citizen. Some countries relax their voting restrictions for more local elections, ie, State and council or county.
Lyrebird
@Chief Oshkosh: I’m pretty sure you’re more up on the details than I am!
And this thread may be all wrapped up, but I will still type out my hope that some Congr. Republican who still needs Libertarian votes will step up to co-sponsor a “wear a badge dammit” bill!