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Late Night Open Thread: Another Musk Rocket Goes Boom

by Anne Laurie|  June 20, 202512:10 am| 99 Comments

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ICYMI: Elon Musk's SpaceX suffered another failure and exploded in southern Texas on Wednesday night after experiencing "a major anomaly” at about 11 pm local time on the test launch while preparing for the tenth flight test at Starbase. 
Luckily, no one was hurt or injured.

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— Amee Vanderpool (@girlsreallyrule.bsky.social) June 19, 2025 at 5:38 PM


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SpaceX Starship rocket explodes
ABC: A Spacex Starship rocket being tested in Texas exploded Wednesday night, after the craft "experienced a major anomaly" while on the test stand preparing for the tenth flight test at the firm's Starbase facility.

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— Olga Nesterova (@onestpress.onestnetwork.com) June 19, 2025 at 5:19 AM


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“SpaceX is happy to introduce its newest consultant, Michael Bay.”

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— In Two Weeks Hat (@kenwhite.bsky.social) June 19, 2025 at 2:09 PM


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At this point it feels like the “major anomaly” for SpaceX are the rare times it *doesn’t* explode?

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— Kevin M. Kruse (@kevinmkruse.bsky.social) June 19, 2025 at 11:55 AM


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SpaceX has their tails between their legs. No bravado as usual after they mess up.
Though this "There is no commonality between the COPVs used on Starship and SpaceX’s Falcon rockets" tee shirt has me asking questions answered by the shirt
www.spacex.com/updates/#sta…

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— Rude Law Dog (@esghound.com) June 19, 2025 at 4:24 PM


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SpaceX is short for SpaceXplode

— Thor Benson (@thorbenson.bsky.social) June 19, 2025 at 1:05 AM


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Anyone still defending SpaceX as a serious organisation is neck-deep in tech-bro Kool-Aid.
It’s no longer a company, it’s a cult propped up by hype, hubris, and government handouts.

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— Dr Farbod (@emergencybod.medsky.social) June 19, 2025 at 6:37 PM


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Stop saying Starship had another failed launch!
It actually exploded before launch so it actually just failed to stand upright.

— Jack (@jackinpogform.bsky.social) June 19, 2025 at 2:31 PM


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i don’t even think spacex is making rocket, i think they did a pivot to fireworks

— Emma Bolden (@emmabolden.bsky.social) June 19, 2025 at 3:01 PM


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that’s not fair, parts of it traveled hundreds of feet

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— GOLIKEHELLMACHINE (@golikehellmachine.com) June 19, 2025 at 9:14 PM


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Maybe NASA should consider contracting with Acme Rocket Company for their heavy lift vehicle. The company always came through for Wiley Coyote, right?

— Gyrogeerloose (@gyrogeerloose.bsky.social) June 19, 2025 at 1:51 PM


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SpaceX CEO Elon Musk wants to send a cargo ship to Mars by the end of next year. Here’s why that plan likely won’t pan out.

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— CNN (@cnn.com) June 19, 2025 at 7:02 PM

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    1. 1.

      Trivia Man

      June 20, 2025 at 12:16 am

      “Safing operations”.
      Interesting term ive never seen, i bet i know what it means

      Reply
    2. 2.

      Sister Golden Bear

      June 20, 2025 at 12:19 am

      No wonder Trump put him in charge of Golden Dome, Elon is really good at blowing up rockets. /s

      Reply
    3. 3.

      Shalimar

      June 20, 2025 at 12:19 am

      20 years from now they will be blowing up in space.

      You have to give Musk credit though.  There have been numerous rocket and shuttle explosions over the last 7 decades.  Only SpaceX has managed to destroy the launch pad too on multiple occasions.

      Reply
    4. 4.

      Jackie

      June 20, 2025 at 12:19 am

      KAABOOOM!!!

      Reply
    5. 5.

      Jay

      June 20, 2025 at 12:26 am

      Honda did a successful launch and landing the other day.

      No kaboom.

      Reply
    6. 6.

      Shalimar

      June 20, 2025 at 12:27 am

      If Elon wasn’t marketing himself as the brilliant inventor of automated self-driving cars, I would bet money these tests would be manned.  This is not someone who cares if a few dozen NPCs die.

      Reply
    7. 7.

      Shalimar

      June 20, 2025 at 12:30 am

      @Jay: Honda also makes trucks whose side panels don’t fall off.  They seem to have mastered basic competence.  Elon is still testing.

      Reply
    8. 8.

      moonbat

      June 20, 2025 at 12:30 am

      The ‘Our newest consultant Michael Bay” comment had me howling. Thanks for mining that one out of the feed, AL. (laughing emoji goes here)

      Reply
    9. 9.

      Kayla Rudbek

      June 20, 2025 at 12:34 am

      @Jay: they can bring back the commercial “follow the leader, he’s on a Honda”

      Reply
    10. 10.

      ascap_scab

      June 20, 2025 at 12:45 am

      My sign for next month.

      Who is Major Anomaly and why does he still work at SpaceX?

      Reply
    11. 11.

      Omnes Omnibus

      June 20, 2025 at 12:45 am

      I like the pretty lights.

      Reply
    12. 12.

      Parfigliano

      June 20, 2025 at 12:46 am

      Pity the Ketamine Kid wasn’t on it.

      Reply
    13. 13.

      Ten Bears

      June 20, 2025 at 12:48 am

      With the big Mump breakup and threats of canceled contracts et al, I can’t help but wonder if he’s collecting insurance on them. Nobody ever looks past the rockets blowing up, or buildings falling down

      Reply
    14. 14.

      Jackie

      June 20, 2025 at 12:49 am

      @Omnes Omnibus: Yep!

      Reply
    15. 15.

      Sister Inspired Revolver of Freedom

      June 20, 2025 at 12:50 am

      Bavovna!😁

      Reply
    16. 16.

      YY_Sima Qian

      June 20, 2025 at 12:50 am

      Speaking of Mars:

      Andrew Jones @AJ_FI

      Tianwen-3 update: China’s Mars sample return mission will launch in late 2028 and seek to return at least 500 grams of samples. Sampling will use combo of surface scooping, deep drilling and drone-assisted sampling. Mission will also strictly adhere to planetary protection protocols. https://nature.com/articles/s41550-025-02572-0

      David Burbach (also @dburbach Bluesky) @dburbach

      Chatted with some US planetary scientists recently and they — in casual conversation at least — all seemed to think it’s a given China wins the race to return Mars samples first. So damn frustrating given how much the US invested already — a 30 year program!

      We invested in multiple missions to find a very specific special type of site to study, and a rover has ALREADY COLLECTED SAMPLES there. Literally waiting for a mission to come get them. And will still be waiting when China does a scoop-‘n-go

      Reply
    17. 17.

      Harrison Wesley

      June 20, 2025 at 12:56 am

      @ascap_scab: I believe he and Captain Morgan are both now working for SecDef Hegseth.

      Reply
    18. 18.

      Alex

      June 20, 2025 at 12:57 am

      Relax y’all.  This was planned…really.

      Reply
    19. 19.

      cmorenc

      June 20, 2025 at 1:09 am

      Here’s hoping the SpaceX malfunctions will slow Elon down from actually launching a cargo ship to Mars, until Trump is out of office in 2028.  That cargo ship, whether it landed successfully or crashed, would forever compromise our ability to decipher whether Mars has (or at least had) at least primitive form(s) of life.

      Reply
    20. 20.

      John Revolta

      June 20, 2025 at 1:12 am

      The rockets blow up, in the air, on the ground

      “I get paid either way”, says Elmo the Clown

      Reply
    21. 21.

      Shalimar

      June 20, 2025 at 1:14 am

      Iran has halted Israel’s quest for a cure for cancer just weeks before it finally came to fruition.

      Iran attack destroys $50m ‘crown jewel’ of Israeli science in devastating blow

      Reply
    22. 22.

      rikyrah

      June 20, 2025 at 1:39 am

      Good riddance

      Reply
    23. 23.

      rikyrah

      June 20, 2025 at 1:40 am

      @Shalimar:

      Play stupid games

      Win stupid prizes

      Reply
    24. 24.

      Splitting Image

      June 20, 2025 at 1:44 am

      The amusing thing is that SpaceX was (until fairly recently) the one part of Musk’s empire that seemed to be working fairly well. I can’t count the number of discussions of his other tire fire companies that involved someone pointing out that SpaceX was reasonably well-run, even if Tesla and Twitter weren’t, probably because the people running it were able to keep the idiot away from the decision-making.

      I guess that Musk is taking a more hands-on role in SpaceX these days.

      Reply
    25. 25.

      Spanky

      June 20, 2025 at 1:49 am

      CNN headline:

      Elon Musk’s SpaceX rockets keep blowing up at the worst possible time

      I didn’t read the article, so I can’t tell you what’s the best time for a rocket to blow up.

      Reply
    26. 26.

      Splitting Image

      June 20, 2025 at 1:53 am

      @Spanky:

      I didn’t read the article, so I can’t tell you what’s the best time for a rocket to blow up.

      When Musk is aboard?

      Reply
    27. 27.

      Chetan Murthy

      June 20, 2025 at 1:54 am

      I wonder if there’s been  a well-sourced explanation for why the pre-Starship SpaceX (e.g. Falcon 9) seems to have been a well-run place, and yet Starship seems to be an ongoing (ahem) dumpster fire.

      Reply
    28. 28.

      Jay

      June 20, 2025 at 1:55 am

      @Spanky:

      It was staged for a “static test”. Blew up on the launch pad, blew up the the launch pad, blew up the tank farm.

      It wasn’t even a launch attempt.

      Reply
    29. 29.

      Jay

      June 20, 2025 at 1:57 am

      @Chetan Murthy:

      Starship is a clone of a failed Soviet multi engine rocket program.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N1_(rocket)

      Reply
    30. 30.

      YY_Sima Qian

      June 20, 2025 at 2:19 am

      @Chetan Murthy: Tesla was well run (well, at least after Shanghai Gigafactory came on line) before the Cybertruck. Now it is stagnant.

      Reply
    31. 31.

      JWR

      June 20, 2025 at 2:23 am

      Just tonight from NBC:

      President Donald Trump is within his rights to deploy the California National Guard amid protests against federal law enforcement over immigration raids, an appeals court ruled Thursday night.

      A three-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that the federal government made a required “strong showing” in arguing it would prevail against California’s challenge to the legality of the deployment of troops usually under the governor’s control.

      The court stated that it disagreed with the Trump administration’s stance that “The President’s decision to federalize members of the California National Guard … is completely insulated from judicial review.”

      […]

      Newsom “expressed disappointment” that the court is allowing Trump to retain control of the California National Guard, but he saw hope in the ruling, too.

      “The court rightly rejected Trump’s claim that he can do whatever he wants with the National Guard and not have to explain himself to a court,” Newsom said in a statement. “The President is not a king and is not above the law. We will press forward with our challenge to President Trump’s authoritarian use of U.S. military soldiers against citizens.”

      State Attorney General Rob Bonta added in his own statement, “This case is far from over.”

      So now it’s onto what, full review by the Ninth Circuit?

      Reply
    32. 32.

      Jay

      June 20, 2025 at 2:50 am

      Did you know that in Chimpanzee societies, resource hoarding overlords are often beaten to death and then their bodies are eaten as a sign of disrespect?

      Follow me for more financial advice.

      Reply
    33. 33.

      bjacques

      June 20, 2025 at 2:53 am

      @rikyrah: yep. Israel bombed a hospital in Iran.

      Reply
    34. 34.

      Warblewarble

      June 20, 2025 at 3:01 am

      @bjacques: Israel will bomb hospitals , where and when  Israel pleases. Gaza has seen it hospitals attacked over and over.

      Reply
    35. 35.

      Jay

      June 20, 2025 at 3:03 am

      @bjacques:

      As of April, 2025, Israel has bombed Gazan and West Bank hospitals 906 times.

      Reply
    36. 36.

      Glory b

      June 20, 2025 at 3:14 am

      https://www.planetearthandbeyond.co/p/starship-was-doomed-from-the-beginning?sort=community

      Reply
    37. 37.

      chris green

      June 20, 2025 at 3:16 am

      Hey, don’t forget how many saturn v’s blew up (*)!

       

      * none

      Reply
    38. 38.

      Jay

      June 20, 2025 at 3:19 am

      Bibi will do anything to stay out of jail.

      TACO Don is taking notes.

      Reply
    39. 39.

      Bruce K in ATH-GR

      June 20, 2025 at 3:47 am

      @YY_Sima Qian: I do recall reading somewhere that Tesla Motors and SpaceX had layers of administrative “insulation” shielding the people actually doing the work from the whims of Elmo. Cybertruck and Starship seem to be the results of that insulation layer being stripped away.

      Reply
    40. 40.

      MattF

      June 20, 2025 at 3:56 am

      A review of Musk’s engineering from an actual expert.

      Reply
    41. 41.

      Warblewarble

      June 20, 2025 at 4:12 am

      @Jay: Netanyahu says “bombing hospitals is the act of a criminal regime”.

      Reply
    42. 42.

      sab

      June 20, 2025 at 4:16 am

      @MattF: So Musk is basically burning up huge amounts of US taxpayers money to improve his short term public relations with so far no effort to fix what they are doing wrong design wise.

      Very Trumpy of him.

      Reply
    43. 43.

      Jay

      June 20, 2025 at 4:38 am

      @Warblewarble:

      Well he would know, kinda an expert on that, a little behind Putin.

      Reply
    44. 44.

      Baud

      June 20, 2025 at 4:38 am

      Trump gave Iran 2 weeks | Why does that sound familiar?

      Reply
    45. 45.

      bjacques

      June 20, 2025 at 4:39 am

      @Jay: I was keeping it simple, but yeah. Anyway, a research facility, even if it had cures for all cancers and the Elixir Of Immortality, doesn’t compare to a hospital full of living people.

      Reply
    46. 46.

      Baud

      June 20, 2025 at 4:46 am

      Because I oppose fascists, I cheer Musk’s failures. But I’m sad that the U.S. is so enmeshed with fascism that I have fewer opportunities to cheer for successes. Especially when it comes to something as cool as space.

      Reply
    47. 47.

      eclare

      June 20, 2025 at 4:46 am

      @Baud:

      Jimmy Kimmel also highlighted how often FFOTUS uses a two week timeline in his monologue last night.

      Reply
    48. 48.

      Shalimar

      June 20, 2025 at 4:46 am

      @Chetan Murthy: I don’t know if there has been any deterioration in SpaceX management over the last few years too, but part of the explanation is that they had stable rockets for 15 years that didn’t need further testing.  SpaceX famously had a lot of rockets blow up from 2006-2008 when they were first getting started.  This is apparently just the way they do testing.

      Reply
    49. 49.

      Jay

      June 20, 2025 at 4:49 am

      @sab:

      All they did, was fuel the rocket up.

      And do a software systems check.

      Immediate “blue screen” and boom.

      Reply
    50. 50.

      Baud

      June 20, 2025 at 4:50 am

      @eclare:

      Forty-seven: The Fortnight Fascist

      Reply
    51. 51.

      p.a.

      June 20, 2025 at 5:24 am

      SpaceX so fecked up they were a day early for their Juneteenth fireworks display.

      Reply
    52. 52.

      Princess

      June 20, 2025 at 5:30 am

      Oh it “likely won’t work out,” CNN? Ya think?

      Reply
    53. 53.

      Princess

      June 20, 2025 at 5:39 am

      @bjacques: And Iran bombed a hospital in Israel. But it’s only bad when Israel does it, right? Iran has been escalating threats to eradicate Israel since 2023, boasting of how its new missiles can easily hit Israel. Iran is not Gaza.

      Don’t mistake me. I think every choice Netanyahu and his government has made since Oct 7 has been bad and wrong. But Iran is not a shrinking flower here.

      Reply
    54. 54.

      Baud

      June 20, 2025 at 5:39 am

      Screw you haters, AI is awesome.

      Reply
    55. 55.

      eclare

      June 20, 2025 at 5:47 am

      @Baud:

      Amazing.

      Reply
    56. 56.

      MattF

      June 20, 2025 at 5:48 am

      @Baud: Diving giraffes predate any AI cat-slop.

      Reply
    57. 57.

      Baud

      June 20, 2025 at 5:59 am

      @Princess:

      My understanding is that Iran’s biggest threat is from their own people. Iran has a lot of young people people who are displeased with the regime. The current war can either create a wave of nationalism that strengthens the regime or make the regime look weak and invite open rebellion.

      Ironically, Netanyahu’s dilemma is that the last thing he wants is for the current Iranian regime to topple. Like with Hamas, he likes having an unsavory enemy he can use as a foil.

      Reply
    58. 58.

      Baud

      June 20, 2025 at 6:10 am

      Interesting Reddit thread on spotting attempts at online manipulation.

      Reply
    59. 59.

      MattF

      June 20, 2025 at 6:18 am

      @Baud: Has Reddit become more relevant? I’ve started reading a variety of subs, so I’m recency-biased.

      Reply
    60. 60.

      Baud

      June 20, 2025 at 6:23 am

      @MattF:

      IMHO, the site design has gotten worse, both over the years and recently. When there’s good subreddits and good posts, I find those really good, better than Bluesky. But there’s also a lot of trolls and bots throughout the site.

      I don’t know how “relevant” it is in the grand scheme of things, when it comes to US politics.

      Reply
    61. 61.

      Betty Cracker

      June 20, 2025 at 6:41 am

      @Baud: Dove into that rabbit hole briefly and was struck by the irony of this:

      Late Night Open Thread:  Another Musk Rocket Goes Boom

      First r/world, next THE world. It might become necessary to shut this shit down. All of it. I’m only half kidding…

      Reply
    62. 62.

      Matt McIrvin

      June 20, 2025 at 6:53 am

      @Splitting Image: Starship always seemed to me to be the “keep Elon occupied” program to keep him away from Falcon/Dragon. But then NASA committed to actually using a derivative of it as part of the Artemis program, which was just a bad idea. And now Musk has returned the favor by gutting NASA and leaving a shell of itself.

      Reply
    63. 63.

      Baud

      June 20, 2025 at 6:56 am

      @Betty Cracker:

      We seem to have difficulty toughening up to the new reality.

      Reply
    64. 64.

      HeleninEire

      June 20, 2025 at 7:03 am

      It is a sign of these ridiculous times that the only one of those posts that is, well, ridiculous, is CNN’s.

      The other posts are perfectly on target.

      The “plan likely won’t pan out.” Really, CNN?

      Reply
    65. 65.

      p.a.

      June 20, 2025 at 7:13 am

      The “Iranian youth are the hope for normalization” has been an ongoing meme for more than a generation.  What we see from the MSM is, it seems, “blue state” (relatively speaking) Iran.  The places easy to get to and that contain Western amenities.  But much like here in the greatest civilization evah, there seems to be a Podunk-Iran that gives the regime the support and manpower- the clubs and batons- necessary to keep power.
      Also too, nationalism pretty much always prevails.  See Goering, Nuremberg.  (Don’t think that is an apocryphal quote.)

      Reply
    66. 66.

      mappy!

      June 20, 2025 at 7:28 am

      @Baud: It’s a tell. Conceit. …Bombast, tell, bombast. Rinse, repeat.

      I guess it helps to know that the media has a 24/7 cycle that needs to be fed with something new, minute by minute. It’s a vacuum that sucks everything in. It sucks.

      Reply
    67. 67.

      Cliosfanboy

      June 20, 2025 at 7:33 am

      (DELETED BY USER–DUPLICATE)

      Reply
    68. 68.

      YY_Sima Qian

      June 20, 2025 at 7:33 am

      Maybe the Russians aren’t the only ones who suck at base security:

      Palestine group attacks RAF base, damages Voyager aircraft

      By George Allison – June 20, 2025

      Two aircraft at RAF Brize Norton were damaged on Wednesday by members of the group Palestine Action, who claim the attack was aimed at disrupting what they describe as the UK’s support for Israeli military operations in Gaza and broader Western military activity in the Middle East.

      …

      Attacked w/ fire extinguishers & crowbars.

      Reply
    69. 69.

      Cliosfanboy

      June 20, 2025 at 7:33 am

      @Spanky:    The 4th of July??

      Reply
    70. 70.

      lowtechcyclist

      June 20, 2025 at 7:33 am

      @eclare:

      Jimmy Kimmel also highlighted how often FFOTUS uses a two week timeline in his monologue last night.

      Six months was the Friedman Unit.  I’m gonna call two weeks the Fuckhead Unit.

      Reply
    71. 71.

      Shalimar

      June 20, 2025 at 7:40 am

      @lowtechcyclist: TACO unit.  2 weeks is how long it takes for the chicken to get rancid.

      Reply
    72. 72.

      Cliosfanboy

      June 20, 2025 at 7:42 am

      @Shalimar: OOOOH, I LIKE!!!!!!    Perfect…  Especially as “rancid chicken” fits trump.

      Reply
    73. 73.

      YY_Sima Qian

      June 20, 2025 at 7:46 am

      Probably bluster, but… (click through the link for the video):

      Acyn @Acyn

      Heinrich on Iran: An article stated that Trump was not considering a tactical nuke— that it was not one of the options that was presented to him. I was just told by a top official here that none of that report is true— that none of the options are off the table

      Shashank Joshi @shashj

      At least someone in the WH wants to signal that US nuclear use against Iran at Fordow remains on the table. I bet that will really persuade the Iranians that they don’t need nuclear weapons in the long run.

      Reply
    74. 74.

      YY_Sima Qian

      June 20, 2025 at 7:47 am

      @YY_Sima Qian: Forgot the paste the link to the article.

      Reply
    75. 75.

      mappy!

      June 20, 2025 at 7:47 am

      @lowtechcyclist: The unit is delay.

      Everything he says and does is built on a delay cycle. For anything he doesn’t want to do, push it off. Wait until the press forgets about it.  Look at his legal strategies. Appeal. Delay, Appeal. Bills? Delay paying. Don’t pay. Delay is something he has used consistently.

      ED …And he doesn’t want his fingerprints on anything…

      Reply
    76. 76.

      eclare

      June 20, 2025 at 7:59 am

      @mappy!:

      Yep.  Another tactic of his is deny.

      Reply
    77. 77.

      lowtechcyclist

      June 20, 2025 at 8:06 am

      @Princess:

      And Iran bombed a hospital in Israel. But it’s only bad when Israel does it, right? Iran has been escalating threats to eradicate Israel since 2023, boasting of how its new missiles can easily hit Israel. Iran is not Gaza.

      Don’t mistake me. I think every choice Netanyahu and his government has made since Oct 7 has been bad and wrong. But Iran is not a shrinking flower here.

      Well that’s exactly it, isn’t it?  After decades of being the neighborhood bully with the West Bank and Gaza, Israel just started a fight with someone in their weight class.

      That doesn’t make Iran good, but it’s damned hard to feel the least bit of sympathy for Israel.

      Reply
    78. 78.

      lowtechcyclist

      June 20, 2025 at 8:13 am

      @Shalimar:

      TACO unit. 2 weeks is how long it takes for the chicken to get rancid.

      Bingo! You nailed it. I gracefully concede.​

      ETA: Though in Trump’s case, the chicken has been rancid for years, if not decades.

      Reply
    79. 79.

      Matt McIrvin

      June 20, 2025 at 8:15 am

      @lowtechcyclist: Bush didn’t even go to war with Iran during the period when he was blustering about it as a major player in an Axis of Evil. I know some of his dudes wanted to.

      The Iranian government are not good guys, never have been. But they’re rational players and it’s a dumb idea to pick a fight with them.

      Reply
    80. 80.

      different-church-lady

      June 20, 2025 at 8:15 am

      @Jay: Man, static electricity can do that?

      Reply
    81. 81.

      Matt McIrvin

      June 20, 2025 at 8:18 am

      @Chetan Murthy: I can guess. I think Elon was relatively hands-off before. Same story with Tesla. Now he’s running them all like he has Twitter/X, and for a little while, the United States government.

      Reply
    82. 82.

      Geminid

      June 20, 2025 at 8:25 am

      @YY_Sima Qian: There’s been an update on Iranian leader Ali Shamkhani. He was thought to be killed in one of Israeli strikes last Friday. Reports now are that he survived and is recovering from his injuries.

      Shamkhani became famous a few days ago when Bernie Sanders claimed that Israel had assassinated Iran’s chief nuclear negotiator and named Shamkhani as the one.

      Fun Ali Shamkhani Fact: In addition to his role as advisor to Supreme Leader Khameini, Shamkhani serves on Iran’s Expediency Discernment Council which probably sounds better in the original Persian.

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    83. 83.

      Geminid

      June 20, 2025 at 8:39 am

      @Matt McIrvin: I think Rumsfeld and Cheney would have started a war with Iran if their war in Iraq had turned out the way they thought it would.

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    84. 84.

      YY_Sima Qian

      June 20, 2025 at 9:21 am

      @Geminid: I saw a photo of John Bolton in sad face w/ the caption:”It’s finally happening & he is not part of it!”

      Reply
    85. 85.

      Uncle Cosmo

      June 20, 2025 at 9:26 am

      @Jay: No it isn’t.

      The only thing Starship/Superheavy has in common with the N1 is lots of engines in the first stage. With the benefit of non-Soviet technology and >50 years R&D, Superheavy (that first stage) seems to be doing its part fairly competently (after a few failures). It’s when the Starship (second stage) attempts to light up at altitude, above nearly all the atmosphere, that problems (yet to be solved) creep in.

      (Pro tip: Resist the urge to shoot your mouth off when you don’t know what you’re talking about, and you’ll preserve your credibility when speaking of things you do. That does requires enough self-knowledge to know when you really don’t know what you’re talking about, but hey, no advice is perfect…)

      Reply
    86. 86.

      Geminid

      June 20, 2025 at 9:28 am

      @YY_Sima Qian: Bolton would have loved to be in on a war with Iran. Mike Pompeo too.

      Reply
    87. 87.

      terraformer

      June 20, 2025 at 9:28 am

      Nationalize SpaceX already, FFS

      Reply
    88. 88.

      YY_Sima Qian

      June 20, 2025 at 9:33 am

      @Geminid: Saw the news about Ali Shamkhani earlier today.

      Reply
    89. 89.

      cmorenc

      June 20, 2025 at 10:08 am

      @Matt McIrvin:

      The Iranian government are not good guys, never have been. But they’re rational players and it’s a dumb idea to pick a fight with them.

      We are the side now that lacks rational players.  Although in the shorter-term, Netanyahu is very shrewd at assessing his leverage on the US, and what behavior that leverage facilitates his ability to take consequential unilateral action that serves his ultra-zionist vision for Israel and emeshes the US in the conflict in ways contrary to our own objectives or national interest.

      Reply
    90. 90.

      YY_Sima Qian

      June 20, 2025 at 10:44 am

      France starting to pivot:

      Ragıp Soylu @ragipsoylu

      France is changing its posture on Iran after Paris realises that Israel’s final aim is a regime change. French FM: “We have neither supported nor participated in any preemptive war. We have already called for the cessation of strikes.”

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    91. 91.

      Ruckus

      June 20, 2025 at 11:56 am

      @Spanky:

      The only good time is one of two things.

      1 You want it to blow up because it is actually a weapon.

      2 You are done with it and the entire assembly is poisonous to human beings and the poison will be consumed in the fire and completely destroyed.

      Other than one or two you likely do NOT want it to blow up. And others do not normally blow up unless the organization wants them to, as in it is a weapon. His blow up just not even getting off the ground.

      I was in the USN over half a century ago, stationed on a ship that had guided missiles as a weapon. And none of them blew up until they hit the target. I see a small issue with space x in that it seems to be a missile destruction company, rather than a missile launch company. And much bigger, far more expensive missiles, which are in theory, not supposed to blow up.

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    92. 92.

      Ruckus

      June 20, 2025 at 12:03 pm

      @lowtechcyclist:

      It’s decades. It seems he wasn’t born rancid, and his siblings never seemed to be rancid, it’s just how he’s aged – right into rancid. Now it started, If I recall correctly a long time ago but he wasn’t born that way. I don’t think. Now he started aging very early on so one can see in the direction of at least a premise that he was born this way.

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    93. 93.

      Ruckus

      June 20, 2025 at 1:30 pm

      @MattF:

      And, as someone who worked for decades designing and building production tooling out of metals (without any of the myriad issues that space vehicles have) I have at least a small concept of the engineering concepts and limitations of what spacex is attempting to do, which is billions of times more risky, difficult and dangerous than what I did.

      Now my question is about our government that is not doing the level of space work they used to do. Is the reason that they aren’t that we do not really have the technology to do this well and there really isn’t a lot of reason to do it any more, other than continued learning, which consists mostly of learning what we can’t do in other parts of this universe? This planet supports animal life. How many other planets within any kind of reasonable distance supports or could support animal life? BTW I’m not holding my breath waiting for an answer.

      Reply
    94. 94.

      Jay

      June 20, 2025 at 1:35 pm

      @Uncle Cosmo:

      Back to being our resident drunk asshole Uncle again, I see.

      Reply
    95. 95.

      Ruckus

      June 20, 2025 at 1:50 pm

      @Shalimar:

      They seem to have mastered basic competence.

      Long ago actually. They understand the do and don’ts as well as anyone and better than a few.

      But.

      Manufacturing has come a very long way, and in relative terms, in not all that much time. What we make and how well we can make it has changed a lot in the lifetime of people still breathing today. That doesn’t mean that everything manufactured will be worth buying but it does mean that the possibilities are far better today that less than even half a century ago. All aspects of manufacturing can/have improved. I know because I used to manufacture tooling for the plastics industry to make things. And that world has changed significantly. The tools are better and because of that the products made can be/are better. The knowledge learned in the last 50-75 years has changed how tools and the things that are made by those tools and how accurate they can be made and that is a noticeable amount better. Which means that the products made by those tools can be a noticeable amount better. And very often are.

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    96. 96.

      Quaker in a Basement

      June 20, 2025 at 3:54 pm

      @Shalimar: “They call him a genius because he builds rockets that blow up. I prefer people who don’t blow stuff up.”

      Reply
    97. 97.

      Gloria DryGarden

      June 20, 2025 at 4:01 pm

      @Jay: chimpanzees are smarter than we are?

      Reply
    98. 98.

      Quaker in a Basement

      June 20, 2025 at 4:02 pm

      @ascap_scab: He’s on General Mayhem’s team. Irreplaceable.

      Reply
    99. 99.

      WaterGirl

      June 20, 2025 at 4:35 pm

      @Quaker in a Basement: Not sure why your comments went in to spam, but i released them.

      Reply

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