“I have just bombed you. This war I just started is now over. Time for peace!”
Followed by his new mantra: Thank you for your attention to this matter.
I don’t even begin to know what to say about this.
I have no words.
Open thread.
Trump: Bombing for Peace
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comrade scotts agenda of rage
Why the right gets excited about bombing people.
JoyceH
So Bibi led Trump by the nose right into bombing Iran. Next up – regime change.
WaterGirl
We knew a madman was driving the bus.
WaterGirl
Headline I wish we would see from our media:
WaterGirl
I felt moved to change the protest picture just now to one we had earlier this week.
JoyceH
@WaterGirl: Bush didn’t understand that either. The winner doesn’t get to decide when the war is over, the loser decides that, and indicates by stopping fighting.
karen gail
I suppose this makes sense to the same people who are angry with AI for telling them that according to their bible they aren’t christians.
“How many times must the cannonballs fly…”
PsiFighter37
“Thanks for you attention to this matter!”
Get the fuck outta here. If you said that in Manhattan trying to hawk anything, you’d get your balls kicked in. Only saying that since Trump seems to exist in 1970s NYC perpetually.
JWR
I guess he was afraid Congress might have tried to stop him. Well, F**k him, and his little dog Bibi, too! Hey, MAGA, still think he’s anti-boots on the ground? We shall see.
Raoul Paste
He’s just begging for a terrorist attack in the USA. Then…
Dagaetch
It’s becoming more and more difficult to believe that we’re really going to survive this.
Steve LaBonne
So long Mom, I’m off to drop The Bomb.
Suzanne
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER. What a fucking psycho.
So glad to know that we’re Netanyahu’s lapdog.
Professor Bigfoot
“This business will get out of control. It’ll get out of control and we’ll be lucky to live through it.”
Good luck, everyone.
Baud
This is really going to put a dent in Trump’s campaign for a Nobel.
zhena gogolia
I fucking hate every single person who voted for this monster, and every single person who was eligible to vote and stayed home instead of voting for Harris. I fucking hate them and will to the day I die.
Steve LaBonne
@Baud: He will write an executive order creating the Nobel Prize for Bombing.
zhena gogolia
We had to fire half the government workers, but we have money for this bullshit.
Steve LaBonne
@Dagaetch: Increasingly I think we’re already dead and in the Bad Place.
MattF
@Baud: Well, maybe only one or two now rather than the four or five he thinks he should get.
The immediate thing to worry about is Trump now assuming ‘emergency’ powers, since we’re at war now.
karen gail
Honestly, I think it is largely due to the mentality of “blow things up” we got the weapons lets use them.
We didn’t need to drop bombs on Japan, according to some historians the Japanese were willing to reach an agreement. The only reason Truman allowed or ordered the second bomb was he was pushed; history has been edited to point where historians are unsure about need for use of atomic bombs. I know that people who worked at Oak Ridge were horrified at the deaths and destruction but the scientists and military were thrilled with the outcome. My children’s grandfather had nightmares for years, he said they had no idea of what “those doughnut holes” could do.
Splitting Image
I’m trying to look at the positives here.
I have to admit I was getting sick of the quislings at CNN and the New York Times pretending that Donald the Dove was a serious candidate for the Nobel Peace Prize, so the pivot to praising Donald the Great Leader as a manly man of action will be a welcome change.
Also, it will be nice to see all of the very principled abstainers who sat out the last election pivot from blaming the Democrats for Gaza to blaming the Democrats for the war with Iran.
Well, maybe nice isn’t quite the word.
The price of eggs is likely to go up too, naturally. Wartime shortages and all that.
Professor Bigfoot
@zhena gogolia: I loathe and despise every single MF who told us we shouldn’t vote for Harris for “reasons.”
May the dildo of consequences land for them, unlubed and coated with industrial abrasives.
The Thin Black Duke
@zhena gogolia: Facts. And anyone who tries to claim otherwise needs to be hammered in the nutsack. Thanks, America. What a shitshow.
Edmund Dantes
Nice to see Fetterman has completely lost it and is backing this attack on Iran by Trump.
Sad fall.
Craig
@JWR: Donnie is Bibi’s little dog on the reelz.
Geminid
@Raoul Paste: The more immediate threat is Iran attacking US troops and bases in the region, particularly the 2000 or so soldiers we have deployed in Syria and Iraq. The Iranians said they would if the US attacks them; I guess we’ll know soon enough if they follow through.
Professor Bigfoot
@Steve LaBonne: There comes a point at which we have to take Captain Spiers’ advice.
lowtechcyclist
@comrade scotts agenda of rage:
I read it twice, but I didn’t really see a ‘why’ anywhere there, just examples showing that the right’s love of bombing people goes back decades.
I think it’s a combination of things. First, the testosterone overload: ‘real’ men don’t resolve matters with words, they resolve them with fisticuffs. Second, the people we consider bombing have different color skins, different religions and customs, and so we don’t have to think of them as real people, we can just think of them as being about as real as characters in a cartoon. If people get blown up by our bombs, they weren’t real people as far as we’re concerned.
Nukular Biskits
My senior US Senator, Roger Wicker, just dropped a turd on Twitter:
Wicker used to have a shred of integrity. A small one, but it was more than what most other Republicans had.
No more. He just rolled over.
Fuck him.
Professor Bigfoot
Isn’t that, right there, the core of our problem? Those who don’t believe people with different color skins or different customs are less human than themselves; and therefore undeserving of human rights.
It was obviously core to the Enslavement and Jim Crow, after all.
Baud
I wonder how many times the NYT will use the word “muscular” tomorrow?
frosty
Just because he said we dropped bombs, I’m supposed to believe we dropped bombs?
wenchacha
@Professor Bigfoot: Infinity.
Craig
@Edmund Dantes: I’m starting to wish he’d just switch over to the republicans so we can run someone against him.
Nukular Biskits
@Baud:
I’d suggest a drinking game tied to that but we’d all die of alcohol poisoning.
Danielx
Jesus wept.
karen gail
@lowtechcyclist: I don’t think of it as testosterone overload but poisoning; that destroys the ability to think of anything other than burn, bomb, kill.
MagdaInBlack
Because I am the eternal skeptic: has anyone seen any source other than “trump says” ?
I have not so far, please when you see it let me know?
also too: “anonymous officials.”
eta: wasn’t it just this morning these planes were headed to Guam?
JWR
Figures…
WTFGhost
Well, NBC reported that, having said he’d muse what to do for two weeks, Trump’s attacks have “an element of surprise.”
How much of a lickspittle do you have to be, to fail to note that “Trump just proved you can never trust him”?
I’m only asking because there’s a sudden need for lickspittle information, which, you know… I mean, there’s relatively better and worse lickspittledom, don’t you agree?
seefleur
Did this bombing event have congressional approval?
Nukular Biskits
Somehow, this will be all Biden’s fault …
ETA: And/or Harris’s. And/or Obama’s. And/or Hillary’s. And/or …
Nukular Biskits
@seefleur:
No. It did not.
And that’s a problem for me. And one of my US Senators is, of course, declaring this the “correct” course of action.
Another Scott
There’s always a tweet.
(Might have to scroll down a little.)
Grr…
Best wishes,
Scott.
lowtechcyclist
@JoyceH:
The Bushies also didn’t understand that what they saw as the war – defeating Saddam’s army – was just the beginning. And as a result, they never had a plan for what happened next.
Not that any plan would have worked that well in a country where we couldn’t tell friend from foe, but maybe the planning process might’ve gotten some of them to think twice about invading. Because without Saddam, the country was bound to devolve to something between civil war and chaos. (Remember WMDs were only one our reasons for war, the other being to ‘rescue’ Iraqis from Saddam’s rule? Saddam was a tyrant, but as Hobbes pointed out centuries ago, even a tyrant is better than chaos.) Unless of course we stayed around to try to rule it, turning us into targets. (Weren’t we supposed to hand it over to that Chalabi guy?)
Kathleen
@Splitting Image: I want to snuggle up next to that comment and pat it on the head.
Skippy-san
The US bombing Iran is a huge mistake – one we will come to regret. This is what happens when you put a bunch of worthless hacks like Hegseth, Gabbard, and others in the national security establishment.
Of course, the stupid people will cheer this on, just like they did the disaster in Iraq. Anyone who supports this action is a worthless idiot who has zero understanding of the rest of the world.
we are now in this mess and will regret it immensely. Fuck all of the mil-bloggers who cheered this course of action and stupidly advocated for it. They are scum and so is Trump.
America is a gravely stupid nation now.
Parfigliano
@Craig: I hate Trump. With that said the US has been an Israeli lapdog for decades.
frosty
@Nukular Biskits: As is one of mine. The one I donated to and knocked doors for. Fuck.
Raoul Paste
There’s a neighborhood function tomorrow hosted by a Republican with a lot of Republicans in attendance. I will not go ; I cannot make nice with these people
Chris Johnson
@frosty: This. It’s never quite as simple as being able to take that guy’s word on anything.
RevRick
@Geminid: Attacks on American bases are just the beginning of horrible possibilities. Iran could attack Arab oil installations around the Gulf and cripple oil production. We could easily see a repeat of the 1973 oil crisis and a global economic recession. Or worse.
No One of Consequence
@Skippy-san: Whaddaya mean NOW?! Wouldn’t a more apt term be ‘periodically’ ?
-NOoC
jackmac
And does our fearless leader think Iran isn’t going to launch some kind of retaliation?
Plus, watch for gas prices to start rising by Monday.
No One of Consequence
@RevRick: Gobsmacked. The Strait of Hormuz is pretty narrow. Loitering drone swarms drop a few tankers there…
Oi.
One would think that the people of the USA might want a say on the next war or not. FFS.
-NOoC
Juju
@JWR: Are you sure Bibi is the little dog?
raven
COUNTRY JOE & THE FISH – Please Don’t Drop That H Bomb On Me
schrodingers_cat
@zhena gogolia: Add the elected Ds who pushed Biden out based on polls and bullying by the MSM to that list.
Baud
OT
WA proud
Geminid
@MagdaInBlack: It sounds like the Guam story might have been a red herring, and the bombers flew right on past. They had tanker planes accompanying them, and the US had more tankers staged along the way.
karen gail
Iran is one of the countries that the US meddled in, putting people power that US felt could control. Then US was no longer the power in control and since they politicians, war hawks and war mongers have called for the destruction of Iran. Many politicians have vocally called to bomb Iran into rubble; the people aren’t white, rich or “christian” so they aren’t “real.”
Sure Lurkalot
Vlad’s gonna be mad at his little tool.
zhena gogolia
@Sure Lurkalot: I’m wondering about that. The sidelining of Gabbard, etc. Does Taco think he’s going to get out from under Putin?
Interesting Name Goes Here
Damn…Gaza must not be saying jackshit now.
Geminid
@RevRick: This all clearly possible, and we’ll know if it comes to pass soon enough. The Iranians still have a lot to lose though, a lot more than a nuclear program they never really needed in the first place. That could inhibit their response.
Shalimar
Trump is like a homeopathic dilution of all the other stupid people in the room. Guaranteed to act with the least amount of thought.
JWR
Just to be clear, it wasn’t meant to be a serious Wag The Dog reference, okay? OKAY?! ;)
PS. And yes, I do know that Dotard Donnie is Bibi’s, has always been Bibi’s, little dog.
Nukular Biskits
@frosty:
Reprising my conversation with Adam (Silverman) the other night on Bluesky:
arrieve
I’m just sick. I didn’t check the news for two whole hours, thinking it would be healthy to take a break from all the horrors, and now I am feeling that this is somehow my fault. Like if I’d just kept paying attention nothing this insane could possibly have happened. We cannot possibly be getting involved in another fucking war in the Middle East.
I’ve been to Iran. Beautiful cities, wonderful food, and the loveliest people. People would come up to us on the street to tell us how much they loved Americans. I’m guessing that won’t be the case any more.
lowtechcyclist
@Professor Bigfoot:
I may disagree with you on some of the details (sorry for being a PITA as often as I am!), but on this core point we are in total and complete agreement.
“Sin, young man, is when you treat people as things.” – Granny Weatherwax
Jackie
I felt all day that Trump’s “Two Weeks” disclaimer felt false. His goal was to lull the media (and us) into thinking he was buying time to make a decision. He said twice in just the last week that Tulsi didn’t know what she was talking about. That, coupled with Ambassador Huckabee’s religious screed saying god wants the US to bomb Iran… I’m completely not surprised. I hoped my uneasiness and instincts were wrong.
Another Scott
Something something journey of 1,000 miles begins something something.
Best wishes,
Scott.
Parfigliano
Safest place in Iran is the factories that make drones for Putin to use in Ukraine.
Kirk
I am terribly frightened that remaining on Trump’s bucket list is “drop a nuclear bomb”. It’s just every time it seems he’s hit rock bottom it turns out he can still dig deeper.
gratuitous
Doddering Donny still sore that nobody came to the big party he threw at our expense?
different-church-lady
There’s nothing like unsupervised uranium to make me feel secure.
Nukular Biskits
Boy, us stupid libtards have REALLY been owned by this!
Layer8Problem
@Sure Lurkalot: Well, Vlad’s gonna see the price of oil go up up up too. I mean it’s an ill wind that blows no good, right?
different-church-lady
@Dagaetch: Nominated. :-(
seefleur
@Nukular Biskits: I just can’t wrap my head around how fucking stupid our “leaders” are. And I will never get over anyone who supported either actively, or passively, old anusface. As an atheist, I find myself wishing that I could believe in a hell… I know who I’d consign to the 12th level (Dante really didn’t foresee how awful humans could be).
WTFGhost
@Nukular Biskits: It’s Obama’s fault, because he allowed ISIS to form. See, after 8 years of absolutely nothing happening in Iraq, he was supposed to negotiate a status of forces agreement, one that a clueless git like W could never have gotten, but Obama could have with ease.
Anyway: although W left Iraq in a position where Obama could easily have negotiated a status of forces agreement (because we were greeted as liberators, with flowers and boxes of candy, donchaknow), Obama *FAILED* to do so, which caused ISIS to form, who used a time machine to supply weapons to the zealots who overthrew the Shah of Iran, so that Iran would be pissed at us for *decades*, so there was no choice but for Trump to take the stupidest, most direct, course of action because he thinks like a football coach, about winning, and not like a logistics expert with four stars, who explains there’s more to ‘winning’ than spiking the football.
Miki
@WTFGhost: “How much of a lickspittle do you have to be, to fail to note that “Trump just proved you can never trust him”?”
Apparently not much of one ….
different-church-lady
@Baud:
All of them, Katie.
LAC
@Professor Bigfoot: And I loathe any namby excuse maker for these asshats talking about coddling these nimrods again because messaging needs to be “better”
different-church-lady
@Jackie:
I am looking around the table, and I can tell I’m not the mark.
Nukular Biskits
@seefleur:
I think he did … but I’d argue that he didn’t foresee how stupid humans would be to support such other awful humans.
And agreed on the hell thing … if there is one, I hope that every single person who supported Trump will roast their an eternity.
Soprano2
@Steve LaBonne: That’s a theory that might be true.
Nukular Biskits
@WTFGhost:
It’s always a Democrat’s fault.
lowtechcyclist
@Skippy-san:
The worst and the stupidest just keep getting even worse and more stupid over time.
Odie Hugh Manatee
I hope his supporters understand that this means that Iran can retaliate against us, killing Americans. This was a monumentally stupid move with repercussions/fallout that we will be dealing with for decades. I knew the dumb bastard was going to do this the moment Bibi proposed it.
I think he gave up on the peace prize…lol. Now to watch the Democrats fall apart over this.
Archon
Books of Revelations starting to get scary interesting…
different-church-lady
@Nukular Biskits: Dante didn’t foresee people deciding Hell was a desirable place.
different-church-lady
I’m so old I can remember when a US president doing Israel’s bidding meant he was unfit for office.
Layer8Problem
“If you think about it, a lot of the cause of this is all you effete liberals looking down on Joe Sixpack with contempt.” — A Deep Thinker
Jackie
@Baud:
Yes, we are!
different-church-lady
@Layer8Problem: Shut up, Burpalos.
Starfish
I have family in both Tehran and Isfahan. My mom has been visiting and trying to call her siblings every day. This morning, they had a decent group chat. There were a couple of days when she couldn’t reach them.
Jackie
@Sure Lurkalot:
TACO sez “You’re not the boss of me!”
Sally
Israel: Let’s you and him fight.
lowtechcyclist
@JWR:
I thought it was a reference to the Wicked Witch of the West: “you and your little dog too!”
Soprano2
@Geminid: Oh God this is going to be horrible isn’t it?
Sally
If you can forgive the language, and me for saying this, but there is so much “dick-wagging” going on here by all these pathologically insecure men, I don’t think men should be permitted to run governments
Ed: Yes I know there are terrible women too. And //
Another Scott
TWZ.com:
So, Mission Accomplished, I guess??
(repost) TheBulletin.org – The United States may destroy the Fordow enrichment plant. It won’t make the Iranian nuclear threat go away (from June 17)
[ sigh ]
Best wishes,
Scott.
Nukular Biskits
@different-church-lady:
Well, not for themselves …
Nukular Biskits
@Starfish:
Hope everyone stays safe.
The Thin Black Duke
The Times, They Are Interesting.
Steve LaBonne
@Another Scott: I will bet real money that Trump didn’t even succeed in destroying the Fordow plant.
p.a.
This is a nice wet kiss from donnie to the Saudis as well, isn’t it? Their trad bête noir gets whacked.
“Onward Christian soldiers…”🤢
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@comrade scotts agenda of rage: Never heard the word “Jingo”?
Sally
Ru will sacrifice Iran*, to get Ukraine, China takes Taiwan, Israel takes Gaza and West Bank. Bob’s your uncle.
I think many of these guys are blinded by their own self regard. It really bothers me that I’m a housewife and I can see it. It’s like watching children. Honestly, it’s the kind of stuff you do in a video game, just to see what happens when you cause as much chaos as possible.
I am so upset.
Ed: Not that they have much choice, ru is so weakened, there is not much they can to to help Iran.
Fair Economist
@karen gail: *We* know dropping The Bomb on Japan was not what made them sue for peace. In fairness, American leadership did not know at the time and it does seem plausible. In any case, the Bombs were far from the worst atrocity the US committed. The firebombing of Tokyo killed several times as many as both Bombs combined.
Jackie
@different-church-lady:
Neither I. By “we” I meant the general population who relaxed their guard and chuckled saying “there he goes again with the two weeks…”
Soprano2
@jackmac: Gas prices have been doing weird things here. Yesterday I saw stations with $2.58 and $2.89 across the street from each other! That said, I should get gas on the way home tonight.
Redshift
The Stupidest Timeline continues to live up to its name.
YY_Sima Qian
@Edmund Dantes: Fetterman is completely in AIPAC’s pocket, & has fully internalized their preferred narrative.
mrmoshpotato
I’m confused. Is Dump Bibi’s bitch now?
Elon kicked his fat, orange, fascist ass to the curb after Musk stole all of the personal information he needed. But is Dump no longer Putin’s bitch?
Whose ass is the orange shitstain currently sucking? And why didn’t he choke on a Big Mac when Tricky Dick was in the White House?
Deputinize America
I give no fucks as to what happens to the Israeli voting population after this. They’ve enabled the excesses and crimes of this shithead for 30 years.
While I hate Trump and his followers, I despise Netanyahu with the white hot heat of a thousand suns, along with anyone who has ever supported him. He persistently makes everyone’s life worse with every loathesome breath he takes.
Marc
Of course, the fact that Israel and the US may technically have more to lose than Iran is meaningless, as they lack the white geniuses needed to find ways past our ultra-sophisticated defenses.
Glidwrith
This shit may also be his bantam rooster response: See! Not TACO!
glc
@Another Scott:
Good article in The Bulletin, thanks.
Iran seems to have been strangely reluctant to develop nuclear weapons, in spite of continued pressure from the U.S. and Israel to do so. At this point, it’s hard to see how they can continue to resist the temptation, if they retain the capacity.
lowtechcyclist
@The Thin Black Duke:
As the rotating tag says, “fuck these fucking interesting times.”
Gimme my boredom back, dammit!
Enhanced Voting Techniques
Yes, there any other source on this?
Old School
Ahhh, he’s going the Kissinger route to a Nobel Peace Prize.
Jackie
@lowtechcyclist:
And then sideline them for voices who supported and urged him bombing Iran. Hegseth probably agreed with the bombing, but even FFOTUS doesn’t have any respect for his “looks the part FAUX guy” any longer.
Steve LaBonne
@glc: A lot of countries have gotten an object lesson on the absolute requirement to have nukes if they want to maintain their sovereignty.
I'm sure no bad consequences will flow from this.Jeffro
right?
when do TEH LIBS get to take a victory lap over “if trumpov gets back into office, he’ll be surrounded by all the worst people?”
Starfish (she/her)
@Nukular Biskits: One of the cousins (in Iran) apparently let one of my aunts in the North American group chat know that everyone is safe. 🤞
Marc
@Starfish: I hope they remain safe. There is very little news here of what is going on in Tehran and elsewhere. They’re trying to create the impression that only military and political sites are being attacked, as if failing to mention more than a few civilian deaths somehow absolves all of us of responsibility.
Jeffro
we will survive, the question is, what will the U.S. and the world look like afterwards?
will China use this distraction, and trump’s weakness, as a green light to invade Taiwan?
will Iran decide to retaliate by shutting off the electricity in the entire eastern half of the U.S.?
and so on, and so on…
A Librarian
What scares me more is that — if the bombs were actually dropped — then that would, in theory, make it an unconstitutional act because Congress didn’t authorize it, no?
So wouldn’t that mean that somewhere in the armed forces, there were folks who swore an oath to uphold the Constitution just . . . didn’t? And if so, then that really doesn’t bode well for whatever is going to happen next.
So sick of living in interesting times…
Jeffro
right there with you!
Glidwrith
@Soprano2: Worse, if we’re at war, then it’s not patriotic to speak against the little cockerel.
Jacel
@Steve LaBonne: Well, bombing is related to Alfred Nobel’s core competency: Inventing Dynamite.
mrmoshpotato
@WaterGirl: I wish that was a real headline!
Jay
@glc:
The Fatwa against nuclear weapons still holds.
Iran want’s a nuclear energy program. Roughly 10% of Iran’s electrical generation came from the 4 Nuclear Reactors last year, and despite a 43% increase in electrical production since 2000, Iran still suffers from rolling blackouts.
While nuclear electricity costs an average of $0.10 a KW in the US, in Iran it costs $0.68 per KW, because Iran has to buy fuel for their fast breeder reactors from either ruZZia or France, despite having large deposits of uranium.
Marc
@glc: It may seem weird, but once in a while, religious people make choices based on actual teachings, and in this case they’ve been fairly consistent. They’re not all willing to contemplate destroying the world with man-made fire, unlike some of our own “christian” preachers.
Jeffro
“I MADE BIG BOOMS – CAN I GOEZ BACK TO MEGA-GRIFTING NOW??!?” – DJFT
mrmoshpotato
@Raoul Paste:
Oh god! Then Cheney’s attack on Iraq will look like a papercut.
Sally
@JWR: Fetterman is wrong on fact anyway. Ru is world’s leading sponsor of terrorism.
dnfree
@schrodingers_cat: Toss a little blame Biden’s way. That debate performance wasn’t just a cold and a stutter. The concerns being raised privately could no longer be ignored after that public debacle.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
The way Josh Marshall is pointing out Isreali has already broke the Iranian military, so this just Trump kicking them when they down and claiming he did this.
MagdaInBlack
@Geminid: I was just wondering about the “red herring” option.
Archon
@Steve LaBonne: If you are an authoritarian nation without nukes you are not safe, we can and will turn on you on a dime the second you look weak.
Our gulf state “allies” better learn the correct lessons.
Nukular Biskits
@Starfish (she/her): Great news!
The Thin Black Duke
“Make no mistake about it: We are At War now ― with somebody ― and we will stay At War with that mysterious Enemy for the rest of our lives…
“This is going to be a very expensive war, and Victory is not guaranteed ― for anyone”
— Hunter S. Thompson
Fear and Loathing at Mar-a-Lago.
Starfish (she/her)
@Marc: The reporting on it has been very slanted in the pro-Israel direction, specifying the number of Israeli deaths while not mentioning the Iranian ones.
The anti-Trump and anti-Israel protests in Tehran have been large.
My mom has been watching Professor Mohammad Marandi on YouTube a lot. I haven’t watched to see what he is saying though.
Jay
Iran has confirmed the strikes.
Sally
@arrieve: I have also read reports that Iranians feel they have been making headway against the regime lately. Women fighting for rights, defying the “moral police”. Demonstrating. This has set them back a generation or more. Iranians are proud people who will rally around their leaders, no matter how much they detest them. IMHO.
Jackie
This is going to distract everyone from FFOTUS’s ICE goons rounding up migrants and Americans who “looks like an illegal citizen,” isn’t it. Miller, Noem, and Homan are going to take full advantage of everyone’s attention swinging to FFOTUS bombing Iran.
Steve LaBonne
As Talleyrand said of Napoleon executing the duc d’Enghien for a farcical assassination attempt, this is worse than a crime, it’s a blunder.
geg6
@zhena gogolia:
Come sit by me.
Lyrebird
@Jackie: I held out hope that the “two weeks” bit was a hedge and he was listening to wiser heads or less-clueless major donors or something.
@Starfish: Adding too the good thoughts and wishes for your family there. Only friends of mine from Iran emigrated elsewhere, but I am praying for their relatives as well.
Bitter thoughts here.
Deputinize America
[Verse 1]
Well, come on all of you, big strong men,
Uncle Sam needs your help again.
He’s got himself in a terrible jam,
Way down yonder in Iran.
So put down your books and pick up a gun,
We’re gonna have a whole lotta fun!
[Chorus]
And it’s one, two, three,
What are we fighting for?
Don’t ask me, I don’t give a damn,
Next stop is Iran!
And it’s five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates!
Well, there ain’t no time to wonder why,
Whoopee! We’re all gonna die!
[Verse 2]
Well, come on Wall Street, don’t be slow,
Why man, this is war au-go-go!
There’s plenty good money to be made,
Supplying the drones for the cavalcade.
Just hope and pray that if they nuke the sand,
They keep it far from the promised land.
[Chorus]
And it’s one, two, three,
What are we fighting for?
Don’t ask me, I don’t give a damn,
Next stop is Iran!
And it’s five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates!
Well, there ain’t no time to wonder why,
Whoopee! We’re all gonna die!
[Verse 3]
Well, come on generals, let’s move fast,
Your big chance has come at last!
Now you can go out and get those mullahs,
’Cause the only good thug is one that’s deader.
And you know that peace can only be won,
When we’ve turned their oil wells into the sun!
[Chorus]
And it’s one, two, three,
What are we fighting for?
Don’t ask me, I don’t give a damn,
Next stop is Iran!
And it’s five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates!
Well, there ain’t no time to wonder why,
Whoopee! We’re all gonna die!
[Verse 4]
Well, come on mothers throughout the land,
Pack your boys off to Iran.
Come on fathers, don’t hesitate,
Send ’em off before it’s too late.
Be the first one on your block
To have your kid come home in a box!
[Outro]
Whoopee! We’re all gonna die!
Enhanced Voting Techniques
the man is a coward, he was waiting for a moment he could pull a cheep shot and get away with it.
Jay
https://nitter.poast.org/Tendar/status/1936598300284813534#m
MagdaInBlack
@Jay: Great. Just great.
Nukular Biskits
Okay. I’ve had enough. I’m royally pissed.
Gonna go watch stupid cat videos, drink beer, and get stupid.
bluefoot
@zhena gogolia: this is what they wanted. Large scale senseless human suffering. And those that couldn’t be bothered to vote are just as complicit.
Mark
Waiting for Trump to come on TV and spew his lies.
I’m expecting the speech to be his “Mission Accomplished” moment.
PatD
Another impeachable offense in the books.
dnfree
@Fair Economist: My dad was in a ship headed back across the Pacific to Japan after repair in the US when the bombs were dropped. One of my daughters, when she was in high school, opined to my dad that we should not have dropped the bombs. That discussion did not go well.
Jackie
@Deputinize America:
President Bonespurs is gonna kill us all, if he can.
bluefoot
@Professor Bigfoot: despise is the mot juste. They either wanted this or couldn’t be bothered to do the bare minimum to prevent this. (“This” being this entire administration and all it is doing.) Or those idiots who didn’t want to sully the purity of their vote. To quote Planet of the Apes: Damn them all to hell.
Jackie
@Mark:
Complete with the outfit.
Jay
@Jackie:
ICE showed up in a LA neighborhood today and were driven out with 0 kidnappings, and lots of damage. About 350 very angry people showed up in less than 20 minutes.
Rumors of ICE on ICE violence.
Portland Antifa are shipping tactical gear to Antifa in LA. The plan is to go to Immigration Court, “arrest” immigrants after their hearings by cosplaying ICE, then giving them a ride home.
pajaro
Jay
https://bsky.app/profile/rhutabhayga.bsky.social/post/3ls5wkhhjpk2d
Mark
Bush thought Iraq was going to fold up and surrender. Didn’t work out to well. The Iranians aren’t going to surrender either.
Lyrebird
Was trying to find a witty way to agree, like “looks like you left out a few letters, I think it’s spelled s-o-u-l-l-e-s-s-c-o-w-a-r-d” but my heart is not in it. I do know quite a few cowards who have no desire to make thousands of people suffer just so they can take their cheap shot and be in the news making the world worse.
Craig
@Mark: I certainly hope not. More like Mission Started
YY_Sima Qian
@Jay: Yet more norms chucked aside on the road to authoritarianism.
Jay
https://bsky.app/profile/newscurrentnow.com/post/3ls5xqbuqm22o
Professor Bigfoot
@dnfree: Nah.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
Bah, they simply don’t have the same opportunities as Trump has.
Miki
“Based on the fact that there’s a substantial chance of negotiations that may or may not take place with Iran in the near future, I will make my decision whether or not to go within the next two weeks.”
Remind me again why we should ever believe anything he says ….
Archon
Few nations in history has been as duplicitous and immoral as the United States has been towards Iran the past 75 years.
WaterGirl
@Jay: Even more distressing.
Hoodie
The Iranians still have a weapon more potentially devastating than any nuke, which would just invite nuclear retaliation anyway. I wouldn’t be surprised if that is why they’ve been reluctant to actually build a weapon, aside from the basic problem that delivery of such a weapon would be problematic for them given the state of there military industrial infrastructure. They can still disrupt global energy supplies and ravage western economies. A few incidents in the gulf sends the reinsurance market into a panic. Will they do so? Probably not now, but the weapon is still there and nothing that Israel or the US has done has changed that. The reality is that the Israelis cannot change the regime in Iran and attacking them with flashy raids on flimsy pretexts potentially strengthens the hardliners, which incidentally serves Netanyahu’s interest in a permanent state of conflict that keeps him in power. If anything, Bibi has just been wagging the dog to take attention off the humanitarian quagmire that Gaza has become. Trump is not going to invade Iran, even he isn’t that dumb.He just wants to bomb someone to distract from his falling popularity and spin up the “America, fuck yeah!” crowd. This probably achieves nothing and creates new instability and kills a few easily replaced bad people and a lot of innocent ones.
Professor Bigfoot
@Archon: Cannot argue with that. As they say in sportsball, “they’re certainly in the conversation.”
Marc
@dnfree: My Dad’s submarine tender (he was an electronics tech) was docked at Midway upgrading the radar systems on the submarine fleet for the invasion when the war ended. He thought the bombs were war crimes when I asked about it about 20 or so years later.
Jackie
@Jay: 👍🏻
Geminid
@Soprano2: I just don’t know. Those troops in Iraq and Syria have been consolidated into a few bases with plenty of air defense assets. I expect they’re dug in too.
The US forces in Syria and Iraq are the most vulnerable, but Iran has been threatening to attack US forces anywhere region* if the US attacks them. We have plenty of servicemen and planes in Bahrain, the Emirates and Saudi Arabia, and they could be hit.
Those countries could take an Iranian attack on their soil as a hostile act though, and Iran does not need more enemies. That could induce the Iranians to go after the ones in Syria and Iraq only.
Or they might not hit any of them because the US has threatened to go after them if they do, no holds barred. So the Iranians have to make a tough choice. Do they follow through on deterrence threats when they have failed to deter? Like I said above, they still have a lot more they can lose.
* Iran was quite specific about all the countries where they might strike US forces. Besides the ones I mentioned, they named Qatar and Turkiye. Qatar took the hint, and the big Al Udeid base there emptied out a couple days ago.
The Turks aren’t going to empty out anything. They have a compex relationship with Iran, one of the bases of which is, “We don’t let Persians tell us what to do.”
These are two Muslim countries with educated populaces of around 85 million each. They share a 400 mile border, but it’s all very mountainous so they don’t really have anything to fight about. But they are regional rivals and the Turks don’t mind seeing Iran taken down a few notches. And I think they have a different attitude about Iran developing nuclear weapons than do a lot of people living 5,000 miles away.
Turkiye maintains good relations with both the US and Iran, and it’s one of the back channels by which they communicate. Axios’s Barak Ravid posted a story about Turkiye’s attempt last Monday to set up meeting between U S and Iranian officials. Iran’s President Pezeshkian Foreign Minister Araghchi were interested but they could not get Supreme Leader to sign off. Under the Islamic State’s constitution, the President and Foreign Minister are subordinated to the Supreme Leader and the Supreme National Security Council that operates under his authority.
Marc
@Jackie: They don’t have outfits that big.
Archon
@Professor Bigfoot: The idea that the regime that follows the Islamic Republic will have anything but contempt for the United States is laughable.
Jackie
@Marc: Nor codpieces that small.
WaterGirl
@Marc: @Jackie:
Together that might make a rotating tag.
DAstronomer
@Jay: that is so fucked up. I imagine after the midterms Trump will be impeached along with every fucker in the chain of command right down to the fucking pilots of the B2 bombers. What the fuck.
On other news, I’m applying to jobs in Europe and New Zealand. Hopefully employers won’t hold this action against me and other Americans.
Jackie
@WaterGirl: LOL! Yes! :-D
WaterGirl
@Jackie:
Pretty sure that at least 90% of BJ peeps would know exactly what that is in reference to, even though as a rotating tag it would be completely out of context.
YY_Sima Qian
@Geminid: Iran had gone for tit-for-tat every time it has been struck by Israel or the U.S., they still have plenty of or shorter range ballistic/cruise missiles & friend that can’t reach Israel, any way. I’m not sure the Gulf States would be that offended if Iran targets only US bases on their soils, though they will still participate in the airspace & base defense. They weren’t informed or consulted by Bibi before the latter went for reckless escalation, & I doubt they were informed or consulted before Trump went for his reckless escalation.
They will be offended if Iran closes the Strait of Hormuz & attack their oil/gas production/export infrastructure, but I expect Iran will keep that as among the last cards to play.
One thing is for sure, if Iran chooses to significantly retaliate against US bases in the ME region, Ukraine will be denuded of anti-ballistic missile defenses fairly soon.
Jackie
@YY_Sima Qian:
That’s my fear, too.
RevRick
@Geminid: I don’t have as much confidence as you that Iran will be deterred by having more to lose, and thus will hesitate to respond. There is a strain of Shia belief that is quite apocalyptic (like Christian fundamentalists), almost to the point of being a death cult. And since Iran is a theocratic state with its strongholds in rural Iran (where have we heard that before?) threats to its major cities might not carry as much weight.
Iran has seen itself as the regime in the region resisting US imperialism and will feel compelled to respond to a U.S. attack on its nuclear facilities, which were a point of pride. Iran might choose not to confront us directly, but rather attack areas of Western world vulnerability. I would not be surprised to see them sink several oil tankers traversing the Persian Gulf and Strait of Hormuz. It would only take a few such sinkings to send the global oil market into a frenzy.
Harrison Wesley
OK. WWIII it is. Makes one proud to be Merkin,yes it does.
YY_Sima Qian
@Jackie: But then Trump doesn’t give a damn about Ukraine, so that would be a feature to him, not a bug. More pressure to coerce Ukraine to concede to a humiliating “peace”, so that Trump can get his Nobel Peace Prize.
Jay
https://bsky.app/profile/mjfree.bsky.social/post/3ls62mlyhas2p
DAstronomer
@Jay: where is the lie, tho.
Jackie
@YY_Sima Qian:
If nothing else, since getting a Nobel Peace Prize is his overwhelming desire, I hope HIS attack on Iran denies him once and for all, the Nobel PEACE Prize FOREVER.
karen gail
So many of the maga crowd see bombs as the answer for bring about the “end of world” as promised by their christian beliefs; they believe that the war will be in middle east and with an ocean between US and middle east that they will be safe.
It is times like this when I wonder if someone isn’t going to decide to use a bioweapon rather than a bomb; we forget all the nasty things that scientists have come up with. The US seems set on turning works of “fiction” into reality; we shouldn’t forget that there are a number of works of fiction that use bioweapons as the end of humans.
dnfree
@Marc: thanks for sharing, very interesting. My dad’s ship had been bombed by the Japanese, with loss of lives, which was why it had been in California for repairs. He was Republican and got more right-wing as he aged, so I don’t know if that affected his attitude.
Dad was a radar technician but they were titled as radio technicians so as not to reveal the capability, he said
Editing to add that his ship was the Orestes, if you’re interested.
YY_Sima Qian
Let we forget how utterly useless the European powers have been through all of this, the U.S. strikes against Iran would not have been as easily accomplished w/o using US bases in Europe & transiting European airspace. I haven’t seen any European power advocating for restraint & caution, & indeed the E3 assisted in Trump’s deception w/ the diplomatic talks in Geneva. All of them all but welcomed Bibi’s Pearl Harbor style surprise attack.
Anyone thinking the EU could be a pole for international order & prudent foreign policy in the new multipolar world, think again.
YY_Sima Qian
@Jackie: Trump is never getting the Nobel Peace Prize, but he doesn’t seem to realize that.
Marc
@dnfree: His was on the USS Bushnell, and yes, he was an “electrician’s mate,” but he was in one of the first classes for radar technicians at Great Lakes. The real fun for him was being in boot camp in Mississippi, he had to eat in the kitchen with the cooks. Stateside base was Mare Island (and later Treasure Island), so they probably crossed paths.
Harrison Wesley
Sow the wind. Reap the whirlwind. I’m truly glad I’m an Old and won’t live until the end of this shit.
HopefullyNotcassandra
@WaterGirl: that would be most welcome
YY_Sima Qian
Shambolic & duplicitous:
YY_Sima Qian
Acceleration is alright:
Jay
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US military now briefing troops that its strike on Iran “will likely result in counterstrikes on US bases and facilities” in the Middle East, and “likely activate Iran and other foreign terrorist organizations cells abroad including the US to conduct strikes against US persons and facilities”
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Jackie
@YY_Sima Qian: I haven’t seen anything from Trump’s MAGA base’s reaction to him spitting on his promises of America First and breaking his promise of staying out of international wars.
Jay
@YY_Sima Qian:
There are serious doubts that the strikes did as much damage as claimed.
YY_Sima Qian
@Jay: Yesterday, I posted an article from the Guardian that speculated whether the GBu-57 “bunker busters” could meaningfully damage Fordow, & that the B61-11 Robust Nuclear Enhanced Penetrators (300 KT yield) might be needed.
YY_Sima Qian
Duplicated post
Matt McIrvin
@Jackie: The MAGA base were divided over this in the first place, but now that Trump has made his decision, I’m sure they’ll have been for it all along.
War has a way of making its own support… in the opening days.
Jackie
Per CNN, Iran is firing missiles back at Israel following US strikes.
Jay
@Jackie:
Some MAGgot’s are pissed,
Some MAGgot’s have fallen in with Dear Leader.
Jackie
@Jay: 50/50? Or??
Ksmiami06
@Sally: agreed- they’ve made a hash of things
Ksmiami06
@Sally: agreed- they’ve made a hash of things
Jay
https://bsky.app/profile/allmylovesteph.bsky.social/post/3ls6aj32cxk2
Just a reminder that a 22 year old Grocery Clerk is in charge of all US anti-terrorism.
Marc
It was interesting, I’d heard of submarine and seaplane tenders, but of course, there would also have to be MTB tenders. Of necessity, operating much closer to the fighting than a submarine tender.
Jay
@Jackie:
Donno yet.
HopefullyNotcassandra
@lowtechcyclist: and things like people
Nettoyeur
@Fair Economist: I beg to differ. Even after the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, there was a faction of the Japanese Army determined to fight on. They attempted a coup on Aug 14, 1945 to prevent the broadcast of the Emperor’s surrender speech, which had been recorded. The imperial chamberlain hid both the Emperor and the recording in the palace, and the coup was put down. The USSR had just entered the war (post Hiroshima) and was galloping through Manchuria, and there are historians who argue that the 2nd bomb was unnecessary (this is very much the Soviet line). The prospect of a Communist role in governing Japan (a la Germany) was probably something that Truman and his staff worried about and Macarthur’s subsequent handling of the occupation also suggest this was a factor. But the US was facing huge casualties in invading Japan. Having spent time in the mountains there, and having worked a lot with Japanese colleagues , I think resistance would have gone on for years. There are prominent Japanese historians who think that atomic bombs saved Japan from far more slaughter. On balance, I don’t think much of the revisionist case.
frosty
@Marc: My father-in-law served on the USS Wachapreague (AGP-8), a MTB tender. He had a couple of good stories. When they issued life jackets, the bluejackets looked at the officers and said “We don’t need life jackets, we need parachutes.” The tenders were full of avgas, torpedoes, depth charges, 50-caliber ammo. “If we get hit, we’re going up, not down.”
Jay
https://bsky.app/profile/orbint.bsky.social/post/3ls5vpmvlp22n
YY_Sima Qian
@Jay: The EU & the E3 have been utterly feckless & useless from Gaza, to the WB, to Syria, & now to Iran, unwilling to even make the appearance of constraining Israel or the U.S., unable to influence Hamas/Hezbollah/Houthis/Iran, unable to offer alternative paths to resolution, even the rhetoric has been transparently hypocritical. The EU will not have any credibility talking about defending “rules based international order” & international law in Ukraine w/ anyone outside of the West. Not that they had been all that persuasive to begin w/.
YY_Sima Qian
Either pointlessly performative (a la the strikes Trump ordered against Syria while hosting Xi at Mar-a-Lago in his 1st term), or sociopathically duplicitous (a continuation of the past 2 weeks):
The former is perhaps our best case scenario.
Nettoyeur
@A Librarian: War Powers Act. Immediate threat to US security. 90 days to convince Congress.
Geminid
@RevRick: I did not “express confidence” that Iran would be deterred still having lot more to lose, and I wasn’t implying that either. If I believed that I would have said so. I just pointed out that this will be a factor in their decision-making.
As for Iran closing the straits of Hormuz, I will there have been plenty of articles on oil industry sites about that prospect since Israel attacked June 13, written by people with a lot bigger base of knowledge than you or I. I expect that goes for maritime industry as well. If you are concerned I suggest you read some of them.
If you are really interested there are ship tracker sites that show traffic in real time. Last I looked there were plenty of ships moving through the Straits, but that of course could change quickly. But I don’t think we’ll be in suspense for very long; if Iran is going to try closing the Straits I think they’ll.
Some of the ships on that ship tracker display may have been carrying some of the 2 million barrels of oil Iran ships every day. They need that money. This is one of the things they have to lose if they widen this war. They can also lose their oil infrastructure. These are soft, easily destroyed targets.
Now, if the people running the Islamic were moved by an Apocalyptic spirit as you suggest they might be, all this analysis goes out the window. But I don’t see it. What I see are a group of men whose greatest concern is the preservation of the Islamic Republic. They really believe in it. They want it to last through 2075 and beyond, not go out in a blaze of glory in 2025. So I think preservation of the Islamic Republic will be paramount in their decision-making.
And preservation of family fortunes may figure into their calculations as well. These are not a bunch of ascetics, or socialists either. Many of the leaders are involved in commerce through their family members. Oil trading and the military-industrial complex are the most lucrative fields, but they’re into plenty of other types of business.
TS
@MattF:
From the other side of the world – I thought only congress could declare war – are they completely spineless and accepting this?
I am having difficulty believing that it actually happened and our PM won’t even come out and say trump was wrong. I can’t imagine staying in any treaty or alliance with this version of the USA.
Jay
https://www.forever-wars.com/war-on-terror-nightmare-arrives-as-trump-bombs-iran/
Marc
@YY_Sima Qian:
If true, that is indeed a decent way to try backing down, if Israel is willing to let Trump do so. Why do I have this feeling we won’t get off quite that easily?
JWR
The only thing that would make this any “funnier”, (maybe “weirder”?), would be having The Star Spangled Banner or God Bless America piped into the studio during Netanyahu’s address. (I finally broke down and listened to a bit of it on the 11o’clock news.) From the Hindustan Times:
YY_Sima Qian
LOL:
glc
@Marc: I knew a lifelong staunch Republican who felt the same way, a sonar expert later working for Raytheon, who was also in the Navy getting ready for the invasion at the end of the war. According to him, a lot of people he was with at the time felt the same way. They were prepared to complete the job themselves, and to take the concomitant risks.
The action was obviously an “atrocity” in the parlance of the times – a term which has given way since to the legalistic “war crime.”
Princess
@Deputinize America: Just so long as you realize that how you feel about the Israeli voting population is how the rest of the world feels about the American voting population.
brantl
@Craig: in all fairness, I think morality requires that we do that now.
Betsy
@Sally: girl, you’re just calling balls and strikes. Why would you apologize?
Violence doesn’t have a religion, a race, or an ethnicity. But it does have a gender.
brantl
@dnfree: oh, blow off.
brantl
@Archon: take out “authoritarian” and you got that dead right.
Deputinize America
@Princess: Oh, I know. We brought it on ourselves.
Baud
@Deputinize America:
We were bored.
brantl
@Nettoyeur: that’s idiocy because after you’ve dropped the first bomb if you fight conventionally for a while, all you have to say to the Japanese is if you make this costly enough, we will drop a second bomb. We will always value our people more than we value your people, while at war.
J.
@zhena gogolia: Same.
Geminid
@Marc: I credit Iranians with intelligence and industriousness equal to Americans, and there was nothing in my comment to indicate otherwise. I was speaking to their objective situation and treating them as rational actors.
prostratedragon
The Audacity of Krope
The United States, the world’s leading perpetrator of terrorism.
artem1s
@comrade scotts agenda of rage:
Defense contractors don’t make money off of detente. The DoD budget gets cut when the State Department gets to do their job. And the CIA sociopaths don’t get to play their torture games when the State Department produces non-violent solutions to international problems. So naturally the GQP is all in for cutting the State Department budget, shunning diplomacy and doing everything to escalate the war on terror (except if the terrorists are domestic, White nationalists of course).
Next up, in the war on terror, bomb, bomb, bomb LA. Let’s ask Philly if that’s hyperbole.
schrodingers_cat
@dnfree: And you know that how? Do you practice telemedicine?
artem1s
@Geminid: The more immediate threat is that some uber rich minor member of the Saud royal family like bin Laden will go rogue when we have to send troops to protect Saudi Arabia again from the back lash of this bombing. While dumbass and his DEI hire White Nationalists are power grabbing Iran’s oil and wanking off to videos of ICE banging heads and handcuffing US Senators, they will be ignoring the next August 8 memo because it doesn’t have enough pictures and/or Trumps name in it every 3 words.
Geminid
Some morning news briefs fom Ankara-based Clash Report:
Also:
Israel and Iran continued to slug it out. According to Clash Report, , the IDF announced that:
while Iranian Tasnim Agency described the launch of
Another Scott
So far, this is looking very much like his attack on Syria with Tomahawks in 2017. Tell them to get their valuable stuff out of the way because big booms are coming, blow up some empty stuff, declare victory, and go home. Some post said that the US had told the Iranians that this was a one-off bombing raid.
I can’t find the explicit post again, of course, so I don’t know how legit it is, but TWZ.com has satellite pictures showing trucks lined up at Fordow, apparently to take stuff away before the bombings, which seemingly would support them having advanced notice (or being prudent at a minimum).
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Meanwhile, …
Peace and comfort to the innocents.
We need to keep doing whatever we can to ensure that we win enough elections to get these monsters out of power.
Eyes on the prizes.
Best wishes,
Scott.
Geminid
@artem1s: You paint quite a picture!
But when I said “immediate threat” I meant what might happen right away. The ~2,000 US soldiers in Iraq and Syria are under the more immediate threat because the Iranians can hit them right now if they want to, and these troops are more exposed than the US forces elsewhere in the region.
artem1s
@Craig:
I certainly hope not. More like Mission Quagmire Started
Tehanu
@zhena gogolia: You speak for me too.
@WTFGhost:
You have to be not only a total lickspittle, but an idiot as well.
Couldn’t agree more. Again, idiots.