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  1. 1.

    Tony Jay

    Don’t stress it. The ever so grown-up former human rights lawyer we’re told is Prime Minister of the UK (I’d get that checked if I were you, seems unlikely) has confirmed that The Pustule simply had to dribble his BOMBS all over Iran to prevent those nasty Ayatollahs from getting a nuclear weapon, and now peace can descend… as soon as the perfidious Persians say Thank You and stop being A Threat.

    Would he tell a lie? Would anyone notice?

  2. 2.

    Hunter Gathers

    The Couchfucker says we aren’t at war and the Couchfucker would never lie, would he?

  3. 3.

    Jackie

    Apparently the United Nations Security Council is meeting within the next few hours in NYC today. Per MSNBC.

    ETA Iran’s foreign minister is heading to Russia to meet with Putin… again, per MSNBC.

  4. 4.

    Archon

    Nobody and I mean nobody had a positive “reason” to vote for Trump. They were all just looking for an excuse that didn’t make them sound like bad people, which they are.

  5. 5.

    bbleh

    First of all, we are not at war with Iran, except we have ALWAYS been at war with Iran, because something something Obama something Biden something, except for Donald Trump’s Courageous Leadership, which has Heroically kept us from being at war with Iran.  But it doesn’t matter because it’s Over And Done with, a Glorious Victory something something Strong Leadership something.

    (Also, too, nobody’s talking about his pathetic little birthday party anymore.  Or Medicare cuts.)

    Now, what’s on Netflix?

  7. 7.

    Suzanne

    Greenwald, and a whole lot of other white men….. might want to get their eyes checked. Or they don’t know what words mean.

  9. 9.

    Michael Bersin

    I was outside east of town late this morning, about five miles from the base. We saw three of them in sequence turning in to land (ostensibly from their mission).

    That would come to about $6,000,000,000.00 in one place.

  11. 11.

    m.j.

    They openly defy their own intelligence and except the Israeli lie because Donny is still hurting from last weekend.

    I’ve been telling myself from the beginning that it seems like a pendulum swinging between horrible on one side and stupid on the other.

  12. 12.

    frosty

    The next protest on July 17th will be interesting. We’ll all be expected to be rallying around the flag and Supporting Our Troops (well, airmen). right?

  13. 13.

    hotshoe

    @bbleh: ​

    Now, what’s on Netflix?

    Lucifer

    It’s been on Netflix since 2019, so probably most folks who would be interested have already seen it. Well, it’s new to me.

    I started watching last night and ended up watching 4 episodes because it’s lighthearted and charming. Just the antidote for stress.

  14. 14.

    O. Felix Culpa

    @m.j.:

    Yes, I think this is largely in response to DJT’s narcissistic injury from last week’s humiliating and widely-mocked flop of a military parade.

  15. 15.

    TONYG

    Needless to say — every war that the United States has been in since 1945 has been illegal, because the last declaration of war by Congress was on December 8th, 1941.  The fact that American presidents have done this with impunity for 80 years means that every American president who does this will not be held accountable.

  18. 18.

    lafcolleen

    My husband took off for a work trip to Jeddah yesterday – before the bombings were announced but probably while or just afterwards.

    He is currently in Istanbul.  Luckily, his office has decided to have him backtrack to London and work there for the next week or so —

    Lots of people crowding Istanbul’s airport due to cancelled and diverted flights so goodness knows when he will get on a flight.

  19. 19.

    linnen

    @Archon: They did not want to vote for the “lessor of two evils, something, something, high Biden inflation, something, genocide” so they went for “Just Plain Evil”

    There was a skeet mocking those that refused to vote for Harris because she would cause WW III, and about two fifths of the replies went and doubled down about how Biden and she enabled war.  And then there was the one reply about the uselessness of voting for the ‘lessor of two evils.’

  20. 20.

    Jackie

    Well duh!

    U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio on Sunday called on China to encourage Iran to not shut down the Strait of Hormuz after Washington carried out strikes on Iranian nuclear sites.

    Rubio’s comments on Fox News’ “Sunday Morning Futures with Maria Bartiromo” show came after Iran’s Press TV reported that the Iranian parliament approved a measure to close the Strait of Hormuz, through which around 20% of global oil and gas flows.

    “I encourage the Chinese government in Beijing to call them about that, because they heavily depend on the Straits of Hormuz for their oil,” said Rubio, who also serves as national security adviser.

    “If they do that, it will be another terrible mistake. It’s economic suicide for them if they do it. And we retain options to deal with that, but other countries should be looking at that as well. It would hurt other countries’ economies a lot worse than ours.”

    Rubio said a move to close the strait would be a massive escalation that would merit a response from the U.S. and others.

    The Chinese embassy in Washington did not immediately provide comment.

    reuters.com/world/china/us-urges-china-dissuade-iran-closing-strait-hormuz-2025-06-22/

  21. 21.

    Jackie

    @lafcolleen:

    Lots of people crowding Istanbul’s airport due to cancelled and diverted flights so goodness knows when he will get on a flight.

    Ugh! to you and your husband. I’m sure it’s stressful for you both. Keep us updated!

  22. 22.

    NotMax

    Countries which grant military flyover rights to both Israel and the U.S. in order to reach Iranian airspace also have red-stained hands.

  23. 23.

    The Audacity of Krope

    @linnen: about two fifths of the replies went and doubled down about how Biden and she enabled war.

    To be fair; it’s hard, verging on impossible, to get nominated as a Democrat or Republican if you don’t.

  25. 25.

    O. Felix Culpa

    @Jackie: Huh? US leadership is calling on China to prevent negative consequences from US actions?

    Head. Desk.

  26. 26.

    Redshift

    @O. Felix Culpa: I’m inclined to think it’s because he’s weak-willed and easily manipulated, and Netanyahu had no difficulty figuring out how to tell him exactly what he wanted to hear. I think it would have happened even without the parade.

  29. 29.

    CaseyL

    If half of Washington State wasn’t MAGA, I’d wonder if the Governor was putting out feelers to Canada to, um, accept an entire state as defecting.

    Unfortunately, half of Washington State is MAGA.

  30. 30.

    JoeyJoeJoe

    For me, the oval felon does not get to decide that the country is at war.  He and his people do not speak for the country and have chosen not to represent the people outside of that group.  Then there’s the matter of all of the criminal activity, including this term.  He’s just trying to distract from everything else he’s doing.  Not falling for it; hopefully others don’t either.

  33. 33.

    Redshift

    @frosty:

    We’ll all be expected to be rallying around the flag and Supporting Our Troops (well, airmen). right?

    I think Donnie is in for another shock, then. They’re surely thinking that’ll automatically follow, but it will be interesting to see the effect of his waffling and then doing a surprise attack without any advance propaganda to get people in board.

  35. 35.

    O. Felix Culpa

    @Redshift: I’m inclined to think it’s all of the above. Your points–all true!–and mine are not mutually exclusive. :)

  36. 36.

    Steve in the ATL

    @lafcolleen: just what Istanbul doesn’t need—more chaos!

    Send him to Pizzawich in Beyoglu, a hole in the wall joint that has some of the best pizza I’ve had anywhere in the world.

    Nice to see Arabic Tony and Egyptian Tony on the same thread again. Not so nice to see the asshole who ruined the morning thread showing up here too.

  37. 37.

    Jay

    Iran says they were given a heads up.

    Iran says their  people, equipment and enriched uranium from Fordow before the strike.

    Satellite images confirm that.

  38. 38.

    Captain C

    @linnen:

    And then there was the one reply about the uselessness of voting for the ‘lessor of two evils.’

    As I will keep saying until the people who need to hear it get it (not you by your comment), if you vote for the lesser of two evils, you get less evil!  Sometimes that’s the difference between a salvageable situation and one that’s more or less permanently fucked

    eta:  I wish more people would understand the concept of harm reduction.

  39. 39.

    The Audacity of Krope

    @Steve in the ATL: I was exposed to ideas I don’t agree with, those whole thread is ruined…

    Yeah, the asshole is definitely the one showing regret for their prior actions, not the ones making personal attacks.

  40. 40.

    p.a.

    @Jay:Iran says they were given a heads up.

    Iran says they  people, equipment and enriched uranium from Fordow before the strike.

    Satellite images confirm that.

     

     

    Huh.  Which chatroom was used this time?😂

  41. 41.

    Steve LaBonne

    @Captain C: The problem is that that thinking of voting as harm reduction is incompatible with the self-centered idea of voting as a consumer choice. And far too many people are infected with the latter notion.

  42. 42.

    O. Felix Culpa

    @Captain C:

    if you vote for the lesser of two evils, you get less evil!  Sometimes that’s the difference between a salvageable situation and one that’s more or less permanently fucked.

    QFT.

  44. 44.

    The Audacity of Krope

    @Captain C: if you vote for the lesser of two evils, you get less evil! Sometimes that’s the difference between a salvageable situation and one that’s more or less permanently fucked

    I went by this theory for years. I’ve learned, belatedly, that by supporting evil in any form you are participating in perpetuating that evil.

    Nothing is permanent. But you get a lot closer by making an evil situation sustainable, which is what Democrats do, as opposed to maximizing evil output in the short term, like Republicans.

    Whatever happened to good?

  46. 46.

    karen gail

    History tells us that the US has been doing stupid things in Iran since 1953; the original reason was control of oil in that area.

  49. 49.

    WTFGhost

    Greenwald is worse than a sellout, he’s a man who had power to use for good, and chose to use it for the vilest of evil, and worse, *STUPID* evil. He has the brain to see that Trump is an idiot and a liar. He’s like a liberal who turned Trump supporter, like, the opposite of a Never Trumper who joined the Lincoln Project.

    And now we have no-name Vance claiming “oh, we’re not at war with *Iran*, just their *nuclear program*,” when Trump is claiming there is warfare waged against us by people coming here for a better life. I mean, sure, MAGA will slurp it up like rancid waffle batter made with Bisquick, because they don’t know any better, but actual people with brains in their heads see it as insanity.

    (No offense to Bisquick – just, waffles are supposed to be made from scratch, *not* Bisquick. FOLD IN THE EGG WHITES ONCE THEY’RE AT THE SOFT PEAK STAGE! Thank you for your attention to this important matter.)

    Also: I understand the State Department is sending out new threat assessments to people in the middle east when Trump threw his surprise party, which probably failed, because everything Trump does tends to fail.

  50. 50.

    Jay

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  51. 51.

    Steve LaBonne

    @The Audacity of Krope: So keep yourself pure and forgo any opportunity to make things a little less bad and to elect people who might be susceptible to pressure to do better rather than outright criminals like Trump. Surely that will bring on the millennium real soon now. You think you’re smart but you’re just destructively cynical and, yes, adolescent.

  52. 52.

    Jackie

    @trollhattan:

    @CaseyL: ​
    If you give the eastern slice to Idaho then the scales tip some. Now hear me out….

    Knock it off! I live in eastern WA! Do NOT dump me into Idaho. 👿

  53. 53.

    The Audacity of Krope

    @Steve LaBonne: So keep yourself pure and forgo any opportunity to make things a little less bad

    That’s just the thing. I’ve been operating under that mindset for a long time and things never got a little less bad. They kept getting worse. Makes sense when no one so much as argues for better, which might offend the all-important white chicken hawk or pro-American serfdom voting blocs.

    You think you’re smart but you’re just destructively cynical and, yes, adolescent.

    Which explains why I’m giving up an attitude I’ve held…since I was an actual literal adolescent.

  54. 54.

    Harrison Wesley

    I’ve read that US and Israel had been planning this for a while. Anyone know if this has been verified?

  56. 56.

    Baud

    @Harrison Wesley:

    I don’t know if it’s been verified, but I’d also imagine there have been contingency plans drawn out for Iran and every other country on the planet for decades.

  57. 57.

    mapanghimagsik

    Going to finally watch Tom Cruise save us from nuclear armageddon perpetuated by an evil AI

    Cuz yeah.

  58. 58.

    Steve LaBonne

    @The Audacity of Krope: Biden for all his many issues was clearly far far far better than Trump. If you can’t understand that you have no business trying to talk to adults. I save my undiluted idealism for my (UU) church. As an adult who has seen decades of many things getting sometimes better and sometimes worse and then sometimes better again, I understand that outside the church’s walls compromises and harm limitation are always required.

  60. 60.

    The Audacity of Krope

    @Steve LaBonne: Good for Biden that he showed regret for how Israel was using the weaponry Biden would not so much as consider just…not sending them.

    And not just Biden. Democrats at the federal level for as long as I’ve been breathing.

  61. 61.

    trollhattan

    Boris Badinov pops in with a helpful note.

    “The enrichment of nuclear material — and, now we can say it outright, the future production of nuclear weapons — will continue. A number of countries are ready to directly supply Iran with their own nuclear warheads.”

    — Former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, on X.

    “Feel sorry for you dudes, so here’s a nuke just for you.”

  64. 64.

    Baud

    @Jay:

    Was Israeli military directly involved with the bombing last night? I haven’t seen that reported.

  67. 67.

    trollhattan

    @Harrison Wesley: Read somewhere in today’s firehose of stories Israel saying it’s been in the works for years, and I believe that. e.g., The Hezbollah pager scheme took years and was orders of magnitude less complex.

  68. 68.

    Jay

    @mapanghimagsik:

    MIT? did a study (brain scans). People who used AI, could not remember what was in their papers a day later. Neural engagement in the cognitive portions of the brain dropped by 38% and did not recover.

  69. 69.

    The Audacity of Krope

    @Baud: No need, I’m out of here. Just letting y’all know you lot are getting exactly what you voted for, whether you care to admit or not, on my way out the door.

    Peace, y’all.

  71. 71.

    Steve LaBonne

    @The Audacity of Krope: If there’s one thing I have learned in my longish life it’s that things can always be worse. Last November things got drastically worse, in considerable part because of the foolishness of oh-so-pure leftists who are worse than useless allies to anyone who is actually trying to make the world a little better or less bad if you prefer. The alternative to doing that is what we’re seeing.

  73. 73.

    trollhattan

    Now that we’ve dropped [checks notes] 14 of them do we have a strategic GBU shortage?

  75. 75.

    skerry

     

    Vance: I empathize with Americans who are exhausted after 25 years of foreign entanglements in the Middle East. I understand the concern, but the difference is that back then we had dumb presidents

  76. 76.

    Jay

    @Baud:

    As far as I am aware, no Israeli combat aircraft took part.  Israeli support took place in the form of intel on targets, routes, Iranian AD and jamming, etc.

  79. 79.

    Harrison Wesley

    I spent a few years in Iran when I was a little kid back in the 1950s. I don’t remember much, but that experience makes this pretty creepy for me.

  81. 81.

    pat

    What happens to all that enriched uranium when the enrichment facility is bombed to smithereens?

    I haven’t seen anyone addressing this.

  85. 85.

    Jay

    The Onion

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    The ad was obviously in motion before Trump bombed Iran—without congressional oversight.

    @bencollins.bsky.social
    : “The Onion is known for its oracular ability to predict the next great American horror, but the timing on this might be the most prescient bit of The Onion’s reporting yet.”

    EXCLUSIVE: The Onion calls out ‘cowardice’ of Congress in full-page NYT ad
    The ad features a scathing editorial, a physical copy of which was sent to all House and Senate members.
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  86. 86.

    Steve LaBonne

    @pat: I have seen people saying that the Iranians moved it out of harm’s way because they apparently had advance warning.

  87. 87.

    WTFGhost

    @Formerly disgruntled in Oregon: Yes, there is. We could be supplying health care to all people in the US, and that would be “good”.

    If we support those who won’t destroy health care as quickly, we’re voting for a lesser evil. If we vote for those who will expand health care availability, we’re voting for good.

    We could choose terrible ways to pay for that health care – but the provision of health care, in general, is a pure good.

  88. 88.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    @pat: We notified the Iranians before bombing and the Iranians evacuated the material.  I am not making that up.

  90. 90.

    Jay

    @pat:

    Iran trucked it all out to other locations before the strikes.

    Nobody has reported any radiological events, so between the IDF attacks and the USAF attacks, no uranium was hurt in these attacks.

    Over 98 people were killed however and about 3600 wounded so far in Iran.

  91. 91.

    laura

    @pat: nothing happened to it Pat because Iran was given a head’s up notification so that they could move it, as well as people before the Big Special Boy sky parade to assuage his narcissistic injury from the 14th.

  93. 93.

    Steve LaBonne

    @WTFGhost: If we are voting for someone in a primary who advocates for that, that’s great. If a less progressive candidate wins the primary and we help elect someone infinitely worse in the general by sitting on our hands, we have done the opposite of good. This is not a complicated idea.

  94. 94.

    WTFGhost

    @Harrison Wesley: Bibi definitely expected the US might get involved. Trump probably got goaded into it by someone saying he “can’t” last night.

    Worse, someone called out that the military had real questions about whether the bunker buster bomb (the 30k pounder) would do the job, and the WH insisted that the military had perfect confidence.

    I don’t know if anyone realized that the military wasn’t saying “the bunker buster might not do the job” to make Trump look bad, but because it was, you know, factual, like Covid-19 spreading. Seriously, I had seen reports saying that two bunker busters, one on top of the other, might just make them have to excavate their enrichment center – not rebuild it.

    I do know this: the US has proven that, if you don’t want a war to stop your nuclear program, you need a nuclear program that’s producing bombs already – cf, North Korea.

  95. 95.

    Steve LaBonne

    @pat: Yes, clearly those who planned this didn’t care about that at all. But extreme irresponsibility is what we expect from this scurvy crew.

  96. 96.

    pat

    I see several have the same idea, or information, that it was moved.  Where can one read this?  Not that I don’t believe it, in fact it would make sense, but it puts a very different light on the whole mess, doesn’t it..

  103. 103.

    WaterGirl

    @Jackie:

    Rubio said a move to close the strait would be a massive escalation that would merit a response from the U.S. and others.

    But, you know, bombing Iran wasn’t a massive escalation that would merit a response from Iran and others?

  104. 104.

    Jay

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    We are At War now, according to President Bush, and I take him at his word. He also says this War might last for “a very long time.”
    Generals and military scholars will tell you that eight or 10 years is actually not such a long time in the span of human history – which is no doubt true – but history also tells us that 10 years of martial law and a wartime economy are going to feel like a Lifetime to people who are in their twenties today. The poor bastards of what will forever be known as Generation Z are doomed to be the first generation of Americans who will grow up with a lower standard of living than their parents enjoyed.
    That is extremely heavy news, and it will take a while for it to sink in. The 22 babies born in New York City while the World Trade Center burned will never know what they missed. The last half of the 20th century will seem like a wild party for rich kids, compared to what’s coming now. The party’s over, folks.
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  105. 105.

    Jackie

    @Steve LaBonne:

    I have seen people saying that the Iranians moved it out of harm’s way because they apparently had advance warning.

    Eavesdropping on Hegseth’s Signal Chat?

  107. 107.

    bbleh

    @pat: can’t imagine the Iranians didn’t disperse it, at least to the degree they were able during an air war. They certainly had enough warning

  110. 110.

    Jay

    @pat:

    If they didn’t move it. there would be radiological alerts all through of the Middle East, with shelter in place alerts, tape doors and windows alerts, and governments would be distributing potassium iodide and other anti-radiation meds.

  111. 111.

    Another Scott

    @pat:

    A comment I posted downstairs has a link to TWZ satellite pictures of trucks lined up to move stuff from Fordow before the bombing.

    I saw a comment somewhere that the US gave them advance notice and said the bombing was a one-off, so no need to retaliate, thank you for your attention to this matter, but I haven’t been able to find that again. And I don’t know if it’s an accurate reflection of what actually happened.

    But to me, some rando on the internet, it looks like the 2017 Tomahawk attack on Syria where they had advance notice.

    So far.

    FWIW.

    HTH!

    Best wishes,
    Scott.

  112. 112.

    pat

    Yes, I can see where all that talk of bunker-busting bombs might have given them an idea, hey how about we move this stuff somewhere where they can’t find it…?

  113. 113.

    Harrison Wesley

    @Jay: I remember reading that after the Chernobyl disaster, radiation was detected as far away as North Africa.

  114. 114.

    pat

    On the other hand, how was this stuff moved without attracting some attention?  They don’t just load  up their lunch boxes on the way out….

  116. 116.

    Steve in the ATL

    @Baud: what makes you think I haven’t already?

    Other than the fact that I replied to your post.  Dang it!

     

    @O. Felix Culpa: indeed!

     

    @Steve LaBonne: please don’t feed the troll. Votre ami, Steve Le Mal.

  117. 117.

    Steve LaBonne

    @pat: It’s much more important to Trump to keep himself in the headlines than to maximize his chances of achieving his ostensible strategic aims.

  118. 118.

    Archon

    @O. Felix Culpa: In the year of our Lord 2025 the “no real difference between the parties, they are both evil” is my enemy just as much as your average insane MAGA member.

  119. 119.

    HopefullyNotcassandra

    @Redshift: our secdef is also weak willed, easily manipulated and in way over his head.  Nobody even bothered to try and figure out the freaking known unknowns.

    The United States of America just carried out a sneak attack.  Didn’t we?

  120. 120.

    WTFGhost

    @Steve LaBonne: No worries – I did feel ‘Krope was taking it on the chin, perhaps unfairly, because I don’t know ‘Krope or history.

    But I really like the idea of good, and I think there’s more opportunity for it than most people think. Sometimes, we need to extricate ourselves from the battles that Republicans would create for us. They would be *glad* to keep us fighting, as they did in the 90s and 00s, to try to maintain the status quo, while more and more of it slipped away.

    Obama reversed that – he did some good. Biden reversed things again, doing some good. You can’t hope for pure goodness, obviously, but there are good things to do, things that do bend the moral arc toward justice.

  122. 122.

    Steve LaBonne

    @WTFGhost: I want the most good I can get and thus generally vote for the primary candidate I perceive as the most progressive and most in line with my UU values. But in the general I have to prioritize harm reduction if a less preferred candidate is nominated. In our system there isn’t any responsible way around that. Even in a multiparty parliamentary system you get to vote for the party that best fits your aspirations, but you have to be prepared to see it participate in a coalition with parties that are not as good.

  124. 124.

    Jay

    @pat:

    You don’t store enriched Uranium in a great big pile on the floor. You don’t store it in burlap sacks. You don’t store it in Rubbermaid containers.

    You store it in lead lined watertight barrels, on pallets with a fixed  distance between barrels, so that a criticality does not cause a chain reaction and a melt down.

    As other have pointed out, and I have pointed out, 14 trucks showed up long before the strike, long before even the Israeli strikes, and that if the enriched uranium had not been moved, there would have been a major radiological incident and response all through the Middle East.

    When Chernobyl blew, radiation spiked globally, same for Fukushima.

  125. 125.

    Lyrebird

    @Archon: Nobody and I mean nobody had a positive “reason” to vote for Trump. They were all just looking for an excuse that didn’t make them sound like bad people, which they are.

    ^^^This, 100%.

    Which doesn’t mean I’m going to turn away anyone making a new Rule of Law/Restore our Moral Standing coalition.

    But yes.

  129. 129.

    Uncle Cosmo

    @linnen: ​the “lessor of two evils, something, something

    As I’ve noted before, a garden-variety spell-checker won’t keep you from sounding poorly educated when your misspelling of the word you wanted (“lesser”) is itself a word (“lessor” – someone who leases [something]). The software is simply too stupid to know the difference.

  130. 130.

    pat

    @Jay:

    Thanks, that’s what I needed to know, especially about those 14 trucks!  That actually makes sense… somehow……

     

    So did trump and kegseth know this before the bombing?  That seems important..

  131. 131.

    Snarki, child of Loki

    Juicy Divan Vance said “it’s not a war”.

    Now it’s time for Trump to call it a “special military operation”?

     

    Re: detecting radiation from Chernobyl in North Africa: that’s more about how insanely sensitive radiation detection is. It’s not a matter of detecting micrograms, but single atoms.

  135. 135.

    danielx

    @Jackie: ​
     
    Who knows? Operational security seems to be a foreign concept for those in high office these days.

  136. 136.

    hitchhiker

    @CaseyL: 79% of Washington state voters turned out last November.

    The thug lost badly: 57% to 39%.

    Much more than half of us are emphatically not in favor of the thug.

  140. 140.

    dnfree

    @Booger: I read “Paradise Lost” last year because we took a trip to Italy centered on the areas Dante knew.  It had probably been on my bookshelf for at least 30 years.  I have “Ulysses” on my bookshelf too.  Its turn has not yet come.

  143. 143.

    mapanghimagsik

    @Jay:

    Cool. Link me the study. I have a study regarding education and overreliance that was really helpful in creating prompts that *minimize* that.

    The simple thing is that when you give people a magic answer machine, they stop thinking and get magic answers (right or wrong)

    However, machines that were trained specifically to combat overreliance did *much* better, but *still* had decline when the machine was not present. Common sense techniques include, checking the sources, and having outside sources of truth and challenge — take the training wheels off, so to speak.

    Its going to be a question how many people actually keep those in place when the trained candy factory keeps handing out candy.

    But this current stupid I believe was influenced by algorithm, but the algorithm is not the source.

  148. 148.

    dnfree

    @princess leia: It certainly was!  We took a trip to Greece the year before centered on the Odyssey and Homer.  The trips are through a university and they send a professor with in addition to the local guides.  The travel company organizing these trips is called Thalassa.

    https://thalassajourneys.com

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